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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on them from this to benjamin netanyahu, has described as well as one, gaza, as an existential one for his country. since october is where the forces have code, at least 40000 people, most of them civilians, hospitals, schools, and shelters have been bombed repeatedly with a huge loss of life. once a being for the international criminal court, for the rest of nothing, you know, who has defense minister on challenges of crimes against humanity and will crimes and gaza. critics of the rules such as un special ref will to francesca albanese and the international court of justice itself have been accused by israel of anti submitting bias throughout the war. as in the pos, as well, steadfast, west, and allies know, shall be the you with say they support for manes, iron clad, and continue to supply of money and intelligence to balance. as well as a narrative of self defense helped to sustain a cycle. the violent seemingly with out and,

and while incidents of anti semitism in the west are indeed reported to be on the rise, just the frequent and labeling of as well as political opponents as anti symmetric . play a role in how is role justifies its military action. we'll be discussing these issues with, i guess shortly, but 1st this report from the image and kinda the we own goals, a skilled, nearly 45 as and civilians in 10 months and flattened large areas of the strip. israel's government says its self defense. israel's commitment to international law is unwavering. equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. like every country. israel has an inherent right to defend itself into splitting us and you know, he's government being accused of war crimes and collective punishment. it's possible allies agree, a commitment to his real security is iron clad. so we will continue to defend

israel against attacks from terrace groups with our sponsors would be a problem one on file. we have made this clear from the outset that we are bound by international law. this implies the right of every state for self defense. this means that israel has the right to defend itself against the terrorist attacks you just like any other country in the world that these countries also say on the international israel should ensure the safety of civilians is ro, consistently describes those who would talk the country. and those who criticize it's minute to reactions as being anti semitic, well forties and civil groups around the world say that has been a rise in anti semitic attacks during the war on garza. we have seen a since october 7 last year. i see maybe a rise in anti semitism in australia and that is why the government has made the decision to appoint a special envoy on anti semitism. in europe, accusations of anti semitism have

a powerful impact because of some states long history of anti semitism, including the holy ghost. but some say allegations are being used as a political weapon. we have to respect to work. to measure now came in, the decor has been strongly intimidated. the fuse was on the submit. these and as always, that the, the, everyone does some of the same doesn't anything. yeah. hold on us and like the international criminal court has applied for a rest. florence is ready. prime minister benjamin netanyahu and defense minister, you will have gone for legit real crimes and goals of that include the bombing of civilians, collective punishment, creating deliberate stove ation. and in the international court of justice, israel has been accused of genocide and is widely acknowledged to been breaking international law for decades during it. so the patient process going, critics say is what justifies it, submit it to reaction self defense or with the support. if it's less than otherwise,

as part of a cycle, this continued for decades as the suffering, the people that attacks imaging came out to 0, the inside story that spring. and i guess the new york is right by useful drive. it was an act of us and spokesman of metro, and i casa, that's a religious sect of have 80 jews. and most of them the u. k. david miller, former professor of political, so she all the g at are still university who's dismissal after unfounded. and the symmetric allegations was rude and full uninterrupted mohammed i ya, she's a professor at mount royal university and a policy analyst for the palestinian policy network. very well and welcome to all of you. well, how did, i'll start with you in toronto? how has as well so successfully distorted the meaning, the idea of anti semitism and use that distortion to further its policies.

yeah, absolutely. yeah. you know, israel is that more with reality, the reality of what these really speeds it. the project is doing to the palestinian people is a brutal reality. one of the genocide expulsion displacement and and we outright denial of the palestinian people to their right to live on their lands as, as a free and sovereign people and to conceal that reality. these really state has used a couple of tropes. one of them is this notion of the quote unquote new anti semitism. the more or less equates all serious critiques of israel inside the zone with the anti semitism. let's be very clear. anti semitism is a serious problem. it's really european anti semitism is foundational to the rise of the european state. but, but this weaponized nation of anti semitism has been done strategically to conceal

the crimes of these really state and allow it to continue with genocide of the palestinian people. this is why it is critical to name the what the nice ation of anti semitism by that, by that label, to call it a weaponized nation, to oppose it. because the power senior people are the 1st people to pay the price for this weaponized ation. that bank side semitism, but it will also hurt jewish communities in the u. k. in canada, in the us in france, in the long run get already is doing it right now. yeah, i'm on the webinar demo. honda, i know you've spoken a lot to you. i know you've spoken to a doctor about how it hurts, not just about how throwing the 10 anti semitism around her. it's not just the palestinian people, but also jewish people in the long run. i want to bring in rabbi weiss in new york rep. i see that you're wearing a batch that says, and you know, zion is for people who might not know. can you explain to us the very real difference between zionism and the religion 2 days of?

yeah, so would that be a mighty, i agree that it should start by means chooses wisdom, that i may be worthy of conveyance messages. so psyched the buyers name and bring peace to the world of maine in judaism. it is a religion of 3000 years that the children of abraham, isaac, and jacob, and we made a comment was bought on mount sinai. both brought us to toll road. we are, we are to be subservient to bottom, uphold the laws of the total. that is exactly what judaism is. uh, the, now up the street, 1000 years later, a moment's thought of ramiro, hundreds of years, a go of the design isn't. that is a purely nationalist, political movement that is simply mastering in the religion. they want to have a glance grab, they want to have their sovereign a d, as they ignore totally what the essence, what judaism is. first of all,

that is to be serving dog and. busy and, and, and that's the match the list and the better. and the 2nd we there in the ignore and hopefully that will some of the x out 2000 years ago. because when we would take it into the holy land, when most of the total we were required to go in, it was on the stipulation by the money that we have to be on a very high level of spirituality of matter. we will be expelled from the land as a nation, as individuals who lived there under the also seas, under the rule of the different domains like out of an empire solvable. but as a nation, we are to cease to exist as a national, as, as a country, as a sovereignty of the people, as this will go back 2000 years ago to spread out amongst the nations of the world . as we are of the old by god, that we should not re establish any jewish side where to begin any part of the world, even in the habit of the land. and certainly that by killing the ceiling. and there's a special but we're not mist submitted to return and mass a, this is

a large number to the holy land. so it is a, when these people will not be who just basically they was so many of them were due to god and many of them uh, just of the one that would just be the work. so by weitzman of the been during the picture when they made their, uh, the best selection of independence and who were really good independent. and so i think what i like most of them to see are basically all, i'm sure we got our own covering the heads up. could you show the corner to choose the wall? so basically that they make in the state that is supposed to be a jewish, that god gives us who there. i'm too old, a rabbi said what you're doing united. i think julia met about the still and certainly not to people that were still kind close by them. bracelets. what we suffered so much that by 7th ism throughout the hundreds of years in europe. how do you live these people as a clear that they are there against your expectation because they're out by

submitted. so in every facet, the record i do believe that that judaism is that has them to pick a piece of land is, is in the end of the day. okay. so you're actually saying that what the days of is, yeah. what, what you're saying is that what the states have as well what the government of as well is doing right now is actually the antithesis to today is a mr. miller, let me bring you when you were sacked from your job at the university of bristol. falsely accused of being anti symmetric because you spoke against design as i'm the boss, to an employment tribunal rule that that was completely on, on law full. and that there was a place to criticize zion is in, in the united kingdom as well, would not be able to carry out these policies and promote sinus without support has well being tool king. as we mention from the u. k. the us and other western allies, can you tell us about how it has been so successful,

how western allies have promoted zionism so successfully? so in my case, what happened was, the court decided that i had not been sacked for raising the criticisms of, of the attack on me by certain certain states. but i had the site can fit fact because i had on designs views and the designs use it should be protected under the law as worthy of respect the democratic society. they were not resist funds that protected under the quality at the 2010. but of course, is entirely different to the view which is given by these really government desires movement, which is that there is no difference between semitism and his eyes. and money have been trying to foster this idea for more than 50 years. in particular, where we weren't able to get to, it's called a fight into the international holocaust. remembers the lines working definition in 2016. and that has been the weapon they have used ever since against all the

movements for a free power thing. the problem of course, is that since the law and show the genocide in october last year, everybody can see that was happening as a jet aside. everyone who has any access to media information or alternative information knows those genocide and it means that whatever the is really trying to say, oh, but you're just being honest and they take, the charge has less force and more more people are saying, no, this is not 90 semitism, this is a good says criticism of the racism, a genocidal nature. oh sorry, there's an idea what you know just of the. yeah. took you a it's really so much it it could do state in in itself. mohammed david says that that charge of anti says an anti semitism has let's for less force . but at the same time, you know, he mentioned the international holocaust remembrance alliances definition of anti semitism which has been adopted by not just that you came 2016 of the u. k.

government. but we have seen the us house of representatives tried to close. defy that definition. so does the charge of anti semitism have less force when governments in the west co defying that definition, which very much equates being critical of as well as being anti symmetric? absolutely so, so this is part of these really space a strategy. this is not just um, you know, a grass roots effort of scholars in activism. community members coming together and coming up with this definition that focuses almost exclusively on criticism of is realizing the definition of anti semitism. this is driven by these really steve, funded by these various states supported by the israeli state, which has thought since at least the 1970 to spread this idea of the quote unquote, like i said, new anti somebody. the western countries like, sorry to interrupt, right. but we just want to know why wisdom countries, you know,

like the us like the u. k. like germany. why this so quick to go with that on it. and for that answer, you have to go back a little bit in history and i'll be as brief as possible zionism is an, is a political ideology. and what does, it does not actually oppose european colonialism in racism, or even european anti semitism because it says the solution to the jewish question in europe is to leave europe and build the european like state in the land of the backward orient. you know, the error of the palestinians and of course for that to work, they have to expel the palestinians from the land. the land was already inhabited. the following is a lived on it for thousands of years. so they have to expel the palestinians from the land. now, the european empires saw this is an opportunity, especially the british empire, earth and now the american empire, beside it has an opportunity to deal with 2 problems. the because of the right, i sent it to them. they didn't want eastern and central european jews, leading programs of violence and eastern and central europe coming in to us in

europe. and they wanted imperial interest a to be addressed in the region. so they thought actually moving european jews at the bill, the european spouse, the a they will be dependent on their existence on us, which means that they'll be loyal to us in our interest. so when, when israel uses this weapon i zation of anti semitism, it still plays those 2 rules for the european states and the united states. it helps them at home in the quote unquote or their guilt of the holocaust and, and european anti semitism. and it secures is really subtler colonialism and therefore the secure is the serial interest in the region. now i just want to emphasize, yes. yeah, yeah, yeah, i want to bring a rabbi, why some the on on the points that you're making because you're saying that, you know, it secures the this, the session and project is one of the things that it does, but by wise doesn't secure the jews all over the will, you know, jewish voice, the piece was very critical of the us house of representatives adopting these

resolutions. they said that falsely spacing and designed as i'm as anti semitism can slates old jews with the as rarely state and, and dangers. our communities does jewish voice for peace have a point to, to do the efforts to tie jewish people to the states have as well, so intrinsically actually make them a target because of the crimes that the state is committing. yes, so what else of the mighty, is this the so much is the talk stock? first of all, i would like to mention that my grandparents were killed in all my father escapes and the nazis and the little sharpie and had family. both my father and both decided left. many were killed by the nazis in poland. been hungry. and um and, and so you know, the stuff, 3 of the whole cost but, but this 2 issues sharp as i said it isn't when you use it falsely is, is, um you're taking a, a chart of people blatantly committing

a chair to slide across the range of torturing, and then re modified some of this. what you just thought of. not only my relative to the actions of my grandparents and you're going to burn them again. you're taking the charge of that, but still it is when you make it work because because using the people say, oh, that's what i said. that doesn't mean somebody goes a crime and they get so it makes it. and secondly, it exacerbates on parts of the 1000 for the people, many people, most of the people amongst the certainly we have, we know our history. we were raised to the mobile cartridge one was suffering at the sound of the b, the at the end of the euro. many people the suffering of jews, they sent the bars, they want to help reduce. and all of a sudden they start question because they don't the span to differentiate between the jews who are support the state of israel and why it isn't. and that was was true to the religion who we owe him in total opposition and we

cry. you feel the suffering, the people, that's what we demonstrate with the state of the streets of jerusalem. you don't want uh, we don't have much to do that ever. 76 you think of it. ready we beat by these really please, they get arrested. they get the get assassinated out around like children. oh, yeah. the headboard and the things that you can see. so let me just explain that the base so they use as was mentioned, they use the whole cost built the world. and they, they, you have one that they use metal around my memory is that you have the shame all these things of the whole cost in order as a good, as a tool has a more weapon to, to, to have people side to silence the people who want to speak, what they look as criminal, but ironically there's very jewish people around the world very, the more the religious they are that will see invariably, whether it is in new york. we have a 2nd largest jewish community,

a right across from and where's the was really quick in stanford mills in london in jerusalem and may a shower. we have hundreds of thousands of jews. they are true to the door and they refuse to accept this false. judy is a pure base, selfish floor. last me just let me mention here. then they have a cheap regular telephone and by the 47, what was the head of the 2 instruments that was living prior to bizarre and his uh, coming from europe. and he said he pleaded with united nations, you said before the wish to express, oh, that's the position to a jewish state in any part of california, but somebody you will the head of this lot of jewish community that's living. yeah, i get this my that vibe i was there was so many people in the jewish community who are right now being accused of being anti semitic because the and design is the, i'm glad you told us about, you know, how many family members you lost and the all the costs because you yourself are

accused of being a whole the costs deny it because you don't support design this project day. but if i can bring you in now 11 of the, you know, many points that rabbi lies was making. and you know, he mentioned the nazi holocaust held problem. nashik is germany's position because it is one of the places in the west where b c and design is i'm being complacent. so strenuously was anti semitism. how problem magic is that position for you? for germany to take that position because of its, you know, responsibility for the nazi holocaust to say that we're going to stand by a stage that is carrying out the genocide against the people or worse than what you have done. designed here is that this inflation of onto semitism, design isn't as real consequences in terms of reporting of the extensive extremism in society. so i see on your screen we have repeatedly claim that to understand which is the most recent uh, marketplace since october. the 2nd well is quite young,

but that's the case in the u. k, the official government figure suggests the sandwiches and rose 1400 percent after october the 7th. but this is entirely a fabrication because of course what's being done is that they're using the i each already to define a protocol as a new speech as being a teacher's aide crime. so people are being arrested for sure. it's a free palestine or from the reverse of the see, 2 people were arrested for his crimes, for cutting effigies of bloody babies or marches. so this is entirely fictitious. rise in december just as a rise in racism in the society. i guess moves against types. i guess policy needs know against use. this is entirely fictitious. but of course what we see with germany is it is germany supported with genocide, just like the u. k. and just like the us. right. but it's not just to do with all across scale with these to do rather i think was the question of the penetration of sinus assumptions into the very fabric of product society in germany. yes. across

to in the u. k. so that, for example, you mentioned the government has adopted the i show a all the political parties in the pay have adopted. c. i show that you are in parliament. the police forces from adult to the eyes are a all these institutions are effectively in the grid. of desires, movement by signers penetration. that's why you should receive the, the ability of the viruses sizes which should fall off on the 2 ends to international law. that's a few questions of objection to ethnic cleansing. coming done on the side on design this understanding of these things, which is the anybody who says palestine push the push, the liberation of palestine is by definition. just all right. this is a fixed, a tradition warranty semitism. and so therefore we, we don't see any utilize really all right, any, any, a result of rise and ash semitism in the, in the last 6 to 10 months. what we do see is the rise of people being arrested and charged for, for crimes which are not price which are profile us to the adjust. well,

how do you agree with that? and when david talks about, you know, all of these governments and institutions within the governments being and in, in the grip of this essentially propaganda by as well around zionism, how can we actually find a solution to what's happening in israel and palestine beyond a ceasefire? when this is the pervasive narrative that criticizing is role in any way that advocating for palestinian self determination is anti symmetric. yeah, absolutely. so i, i, we need, we need to be again opposing this equipment. i vision of insight, semitism, the so called new anti semitism. so one thing that we need to do is, you know, oppose institutions within our society. with this, canada of us, do you pay germany, france? what would the solutions that have adopted the i to all right, i tell them that they are violating academic freedom. freedom of speech

a n n a that they're also participating in the genocide of the palestinian people. i think what we're seeing right now is that just solutions are still responding to this. what the nice ation of anti semitism and accepting it. people on the ground are, are increasingly not people on the ground. see the these are in the government calling the international court a just as anti submitting and then they look at the hearing and they're like, well, that was a perfectly reasonable and valid criticisms and presentation of facts and evidence . this is not anti semitism. and so, so the more that these really speed and western states and the institutions within western states continue to participate in the zation of anti semitism. they are actually participating in their own. d, legitimize ation in the eyes of people. um so, so i think that, you know, well this is a serving is really interested in the short term. in the long term. we're going to see more distrust of institutions that follow this path. now lady, i just such

a high a while i'm and i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we only have a couple of minutes left in the program. and by, by why, so i do want to come to you, we only have a couple of minutes left. what i would like to ask you a question. i know you haven't been to as well in decades because you don't want to give any legitimacy to the state. do you hope that in your lifetime, you will go back to as well because of a change in how it treats the palestinians i would say in arabic, and shall i hope to return to a rebuttal, speed not to an israel. and the top rewards us that if you will, rebuilding against god against the almighty will not be successful. we are sure our rabbits preach this and why not going to do is we'll uh, with the cheaper of our palestine himself. we run by title down for york and hold the court from new york to many years and he kept on urging people to leave. we let me say that we believe it's the it's, it's an image. so common sense to come of logic to,

to constantly ignore the re, max of the difference between a sort of the difference between judaism is i. ism, of the, she bought the 76, you know, murdering people and the jewish people amongst them 5, i was okay. because you're saying, you know, murder and people, how do these narrative promoters, the continuation, the perpetuation of the violence against palestinians. oh, because they can give them a given a free right. even through the media and then there's no, there is no uh to somebody to help with the shoulder they, they saw that the able to commit one crime 76 years are ready. what mora, mora mora more to 76. you have more stuff than it's the most common sense of every human being. see judy is the, is to serve god by an appeal and still is not serving but, and it's not to do some it's, it's contradictory to judy as there was no right? correct. but the purpose and see that if they speak up against this,

the committee political suicide and this is the way they get the bolt. so with the leading, with the political leaders of you have to answer to god one day of your grandchildren . how could you be silent when it's gonna, you're going to wake up one day just like a park, like people realize eventually that it's, it's, it's, it's simply criminal record of i was just saying that it's an additional step immediately. this is a crime against god and it's not, judy, isn't it? it's just the opposite of duties. and we are trying to recordings of re the size and the give us back. i will give you some peace and a b r. i said that this is the state of this will be on the side of the case about the they are fully better and suffering the palestinians, enjoying them, and causing that to be god forbid, best to the jewish people. god forbid. because the few facing people, the criminal, besides everything else, that the pulling about why? thank you so much. that is rabbi. yes, roll david wise in new york, david, mila,

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