the the . ringback the israel bombs, the schooling, jobs are getting more palestinians because the us is top diplomat, anthony blinking visits. the region says torps in egypt may be the last chance for seeing spa and gaza. but i'm asked the cases the us and israel of delay and adding new conditions. so can that be a breakthrough? this is like story. the again, on change phase efforts to, to see spot agreement thing going on, going along with israel's killing of palestinians with more victims off the and a strike on a school. well,

israel sustains is violence with americans. support and weapons is really officials or an egypt which is hosting more towards bro, could along with cattle and the u. s. the un security council voted for cx 5 back in june. but it's really bombardment continues to publish. the new dest told rises is riley kept tips, remaining garza and the risk of a wide regional conflict remains. so what are the hopes for progress, despite all this? and is israel's prime minister, really interested in a deal will be analyzing the prospects with a panel of distinguished guest shortly. but 1st, this report from a custom, surely another day of bloodshed and gaza is where the military can at least 35 palestinians on monday. for months now, palestinians have been pleading to the international community to do more to get a ceasefire. with this being know that happened as well as the weights and as strikes. forcing already displays people to move again as much any self, la hunger,

and to see the humanitarian situation. listening. us secretary of state antony blinking is optimistic about the sci fi. do you think is well, has accepted what he called a bridging proposal in more than 10 months of his roseville on the strip, lincoln has made a similar number of visits to the region to try and get an agreement. this time he says he hopes to push a deals over the finish line. the top us diplomat says he's spoken to his where the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and it's now up to him off to agree in a very constructive meeting with prime minister netanyahu. today. he confirmed to me that his real accepts the bridging proposal that he supports it. it's now incumbent on him, us to do the same. and then the parties with the help of the, the mediators, united states, egypt, and told her i have to come together and complete the process of reaching clear

understandings about how they implement the commitments a hum. austin is well had to read in principle to implement a 3 phase frame, but proposed by us preston joe biden in may. but that the collapse of to nothing yahoo is set to have made new demands unless they've had to do most, even though before we don't need more negotiations. we need to agree on an implementation making this. when blinking says these riley's have agreed, and then the is riley's say that there is an update to the document. that means that the american administration is giving into the is riley prussia and not the opposite. the us has now provide the details about the printing proposal and as well and how miles have deferred on some issues. these include, as well as continuing presence in gaza and the rights of displace palestinians to move from north to south. the latest talks come as piers pro why the reaches will

it on says the us is not qualified to be a mediator. so that's all i'm because the us is a full slate supports and permanent ally of israel criminal regina and is repeatedly stressed. it's commitment as well. security, so far the us has proven itself to be on the side of the country. those waging was and committing crimes, rather than on the side that he's capable of cheating the ceasefire and cause is relatable and gone. so i have more than $40000.00 palestinians since october. and the 1st case of pull you in 25 years signal. it's a listening health crisis in district because some shootings i'll just 0 for the inside story. well, that's where you know, i guess to discuss all of this further in london, we have professor easy to say it is a senior fellow the malcolm h. could connie game at least center was an advisor and negotiate to on the policy

and delegation to peace talks with his relative to 19 nineties. in chicago act basha, he ahmed, is a senior diplomatic correspondence health post to come with us policy on cause since the obama administration and the london daniel levy is president of the us middle east project. and a member of these right need delegation to peace talks with the palestine in the late 1990. so we have 2 of you who are full of mediators and negotiators, and a journalist in chicago, where that convention is taking place to give us the us electro, a dimension to all of this done. you'll let me start with you us secretary of state, and to me blinking noise trip to the region since october the 7th. we'll look at all the possible details of a deal in a moment, but perhaps let's sum up how things feel at the moment. are you optimistic that that can be a deal a day? so i think on this night's busy the secretary of state lincoln, he is developing a talent. so mediating between the, the components in caps inside use right. exist,

lincoln is not quite that you still have the prime minister's office and possibly the defense establishment frank to keep racing against each other in terms of nothing yahoos mandate not allowing to deal. similarly with the prime minister's office and the families of the hostages. they keep coming out to say nothing. yahoo is torpedoing a deal and you know, that would be a joke. but it's not because it she really h into american diplomacy and their lives. like because these writers being held in gauze of the 10s of thousands of palestinians to be killed. hundreds of 1000 displaced saint from one not safe. so to another. and unfortunately, james, i think what we have here is a couple of things. first of all left in yahoo, he's now we, they some be a place. it's a comfort zone that he knows well, that he can play alone with the americans because he has them where he wants them, which is they will play slate when we off

a site during also you could always blame our side. now, one could always blame how much some of those american officials like to go on to write books when they acknowledge we would be these rel lawyer. and what he has done bring kind of the american system is to take a how much waiting list in late may just say, wait a minute, then what you know. thank you. are you ready? say the 1st phase is the on ramp to a permanent ceasefire. these really didn't want nothing. yeah. shut that down. and they've already read the road proposal so that it didn't be cops. and these really proposal as so they sees more of an exercise in festival, trying to manage the avoidance of escalation in the region as the us to point bull military to the region. it is also test the wrong, as the stresses increased. and to pete of these thoughts because with spinning this

positively. okay, and the side us what sees roll top freedom of military operation. so that's part of the game. and at the same time is trying to manage the electoral political new cycle, especially during this week of the convention in chicago ice. the last is what's going on, and the dog the people of casa, still right, very just the 3rd secretary clinton don't even bring himself when he gave that press briefing to say, this is about the people in dollars went to stop the killing. he said they were to day and just want to get some more complicated to more hostages or 200 really off to all this time. not sure, any true magnitude tools find us to use the onset from the secretary blanket. his note is a, let me bring you in with a quote from set country blinking when he was speaking. he says this is decisive, probably would probably the best. i may be the last opportunity to get hostages home to get a c spot to put everyone on the back to pop off to enjoying peace and security. do

you think? think this is the best deal? he says, i'm do you think this is the last chunk switch? he also said all the later when he gave another news conferencing to back down on math a bit in that front d. i find it sort of somewhat relevant to, to, to look at the detail of this word in that word product because we've heard this kind of talk from century clinton in the past. the best deal, the last deal, the last chance. it's been the last chance for the last something like 9 months now . from once the united states adopted the idea of a cease fire, a tall let's. let's recall that in the 1st month of the war, of us was adamantly opposed to any mention of the word cease fire and people who called for disease fire were deemed to be in a surrender is um, so i, i really don't take this kind of rhetoric seriously, i think what was more striking during the trip you showed there and your videos,

secretary clinton is we will actually heard from prime is really prime minister netanyahu and explicit statement of acceptance, obviously as far proposal. well, we got from the secretary of state lincoln instead. is that and that's and yeah, i'm 1st you said as accepted then he said supports the proposal. vague wording, which i think leaves us wondering whether or not sonya, who actually, you know, is going to come out and endorse what blinked and just said i, i think we, you know, again, this is, this is like watching a movie you've seen many, many times before. and watching it once again in the hope that somehow the ending will be different. so i think dummy levy put in 30 well that the us as a big time is game where israel gets to set the conditions, change conditions, move the goal posts, and then us comes along and claims how much for the outcome. i'm not exaggerating how much in any way for a lot of things, but on this particular point. but i really want to leave you with is the idea that

this whole ceasefire process, once the idea of endorsing is he's far, was more or less forced on the by didn't administration after october last year, or it them sort of what the noise, the cease fire talks pro, process as yet another means of deflecting diplomatic pressure on these really government deflecting responsibility for what was going on guys from the far right. parts of that is really government and from prime minister. nothing out themselves to becoming yes. another endless process such as the piece process was or has been for the last 25 years. we're still told even today by israeli officials that things like taking israel to the international criminal court or the in tassel court of justice. or somehow the real to piece process and there is a significant piece process. we're now looking at another mythical process, obviously as far negotiation, which i think this us administration could actually create

a breakthrough by putting real pressure on leaders. ready, government is all willing to do that. and therefore we have a situation where the us and ministration is basically killing time until the presidential election in november. and of course nothing. yeah. who is totally consciously biting his time until that election as well? so i think there will be no ceasefire between now and then, and we'll be lucky to get money even after daniel. easy. the said, which i think is important, that blinking says they've got these bridging proposals. they agree on nothing yahoos statement didn't say that it was, it was, there was an emission he didn't say who actually signed out to these proposals, i think is what reminding of you is that way back in may when president biden came up with his original proposal, and then israel put down new conditions that was presented to us as this isn't, is really proposal as,

as i say. and i really don't feel that use. they said i say these rates are still largely negotiating with themselves. and america is searching itself into that mediation. there is another party to this. there is no reason to believe in the back is the balance of witnesses would not suggest this that come off will simply accept any use re american d tap, then not in a position to do that. and this is, it said one can have issues and 1001 sure ways of things that i must have done concert. but the fact that they actually come to this week positions that will need to be real on the some of those positions are legitimate, cannot be lost. and right now, it's not just that clinton is misleading us. and that goals between what clinton says and nothing youngest, i should tell you everything, but it's not just to seat. this is also dangerous because it feels like to be

americans and he's right, he's adult to the edge of a cliff. where the extent of this deception and dishonesty from a americans may g b, also stick to what they desire because it may increase the the axis of resistance forces to get re engaged. and when you create an expectation on the expectation is dash that is dangerous to me itself. so they really all not only doing a shame to diplomacy, but i don't see how this serving the american interest. ultimately, he lets me bring you in the act part because you've been covering these negotiations in this diplomacy. so since october, the 7th, and every twisting to you'll now though, in chicago, also covering the democratic convention. so 1st, how big a deal is gauze and what's going on to those people who are in chicago right now. how, how high up is, is it on the gender of, of conversation that i'm,

what are your views on the electro calculations that are going on with regard to these negotiations? thanks, james. i think that's a real as a willingness to talk about us as a willingness to even talk about palestinian human rights and the protests. that's what, yeah. in the housings. right. and the uh, the delegates from the uncommitted move in, which represents hundreds of thousands of people who side well can support the democratic ticket. if we don't catch some kind of progress on the cost of. busy or are these ready post to be a piece? all of that said, we're out of place that topic. and so what are we talking about this? right, and so does that mere of a piece process is sort of enough. uh that is a, that's a real outside set to say godsa is rather the creates. we will try to cease high. we gotta cease fire. but in terms of actual pressure of impetus, i take for

a lot of see the product party officials, given the rise of probably higher, it's given the sense of jubilation. the sense of being forward looking. they don't want to be talking about that as you saw present by last night. i was watching it from the convention center. say, look, this war has gone on to lot of movie. believe too many people have been lost on both sides. and that's important message. i think that's a sufficient message for kind of the core of the democratic boss. you just to say, i probably as all sides of that set up. but i thought you the kind of really bringing one aspect of this because the initiative to protest and the us for the way i see it has been the students. and of course we've had academic holidays for recent weeks and those campuses are all about to reconvene. we're going to have universities and colleges across the us and we're going to see those protests again . all based on weight. is this not going to be worrying for the harris come pay?

that's correct. you don't i. that's okay to see both nice of so i copy to chicago who up or bang for the right sides campus later this month. be here. have some type of they want protests to be not only as because they were at a hit pro at the end of last of last i found the guy they want to be bigger. so i think that yes is a concern for the highest kind of be. there's a very deliberate effort though, right to cause protesters, whether it's students, whether it's 4 types of policy, it lives up to see the facts for you to see that that radical state, they will drop that people, which is not. i don't think it's an accurate representation of those little bits, but to associate as a degree of citizen of the political fund staff. that is, that makes it easy to meet those great site protest. this all is up to see woods depressive by wood, vice president hires love to have a cease fire laptop degree. but absolutely it would be a diplomatic cool be could turn around and say, look,

we've brought home hostages. we've given something to the city side. i have the power to city inside, but give them the, the complications of israel pod side in the us political discourse, particularly give a look inside the body. you type across have a clue, day vice president higher. so see of being see, this is officially supportive of israel. i don't see that the right now at a place to pass the israel or want take that and i, i of the side for many of us outside the us. they could say, well, the us has given the cities tons of millions of dollars a weapons, 10 months to prosecute that one bonsa. how could they possibly a sub across the field? they could be, see, those law praise rounded us, and what i'd say if that is it's, it's such a unique political context. i think the paranoia arrive that the concert or are being seen as a bad thing, a us all. i have at least some of this unique us. all i have at least is tied to a lot of actually it's hard to oversee it. so right now i told you

a god says copy up at the cause that should but it's probably up to a degree of be 5, but present by this scale supporting the free to use on supporting diplomacy. that's not a real appetite to gather the details like why is that all the deal? yeah, you know, why are these really is sort of solely got issues like the border of conflict with egypt. that kind of conversation is specially this boot here of jubilation. sorry, the page from pratfall, the press the truck, but also perhaps the bible is not taught the slides. okay. usually if i'd like to take it back to the tools. got sick, 3 blinking in the region, but he's not actually the negotiator. that is the c. i a chief bill, but as for the us and it's the same team and this negotiation, the country, prime minister, the head of addiction intelligence, we expect the head of most sides. but of course, although is not always being direct negotiations. so mass has not always been in the room. there is one of the negotiators missing, and that's an important element. is that trying to have the guy stations, isn't it that that 3 weeks ago, a massive chief negotiator was assassinated?

that creates a very bad faith situation to begin with. but of course it does. um, but the real custom, none the less will remain, whether him, us feels that any of these fire proposal put on the table delivers its minimum needs or const addresses its basic concerns. and clearly the issue of having a permanent ceasefire is crucial for and how may i assist you? ending is really military presence inside because the strip is also obviously very important. and so in a way it doesn't really matter who represents who so long as it, whether it's a cut or easy addictions or anyone else what, what country proposals are put on the table. now again, i'll repeat that. i think that in a way, unfortunately, this entire discussion is moved because i do not think that there's really prime

minister benjamin nothing at all as the slightest intention of actually accepting any ceasefire proposal, regardless of who has put it on the table, including himself. i mean, bluntly the, the politics don't add up for mostly, for domestic political reasons. nothing. yeah. who has an interest in not reaching and then to the come about 10 guys a so long as he is in potentially a vulnerable position at home. and could be, you know, taken to court and corruption charges, etc. okay. i guess, which is, uh, i take, i take that point. but i would like very quickly just to go through some of these new conditions that nothing yahoo is placed. and whether there's any way they can be sold up. first we go right down to the bottom of the gaza strip on the board with egypt. the philadelphia card. all that's a buffer zone. it's 14 kilometers long. daniel israel took control of that in may

against the is riley, egyptian long standing peace agreements. is there a way to sort this to think i've heard some of the you and any you say is that the still of you border assistance mission? not just on paper, it still has a budget and it has some stuff. is that a possibility? could the policy, you'll start to run, run that buffer zone? what's your thoughts on that? of what it costs as a way of resolving that? and in fact, the us position throughout the entire team also event since october 7th was that he's, well we'd have to withdraw from jobs in that respect. well that would be the ministration would hate to ever and wouldn't jeffery knowledge it the how mos in the us position substantially is closer. and there's ways to grow for constructive ambiguity and compromise you box. and this is the crucial thing. that is, if there was

a desire to get started with a finishing line, and if there was a credible immediate, tough to significant last degree, they trusted by both parties, the us, which is pretty much into part as here, and not in any way insulting egypt to come talk to acknowledge that they all know because in this the us has proven and insisted that it cannot be trusted as a mediator. i'm just as true she, if not more so nothing yahoo has made it a button to be clear, but it every opportunity that he's not interested you reaching a deal on that for it doesn't matter to watch the cool as the region. no ideas or nothing. yeah, look at the lecture, he looks at the cost benefit equation when it comes to continuing the war because he's putting an end to the war. he sees coalition potential collapse,

lots of difficulties on one side. he also sees that he's trying to resuscitate himself politically. by a searching, but he is the 20 central time leader for as well. you need more to be able to make the claim to you all the necessary more time need. so that's the sign. the question on the other side of the question, yes, we have the i, c, c, we have the i, c, j. we have the boxes, we have to quizzes. what we don't, this is the tungsten with the lowest level reach home goose. well, be willing to deploy that, that is all busy the us, the weapons without which he can don't prosecute this for keep flowing. the america's allies already lock 6 and those 2 also have trade and not the relationships with the us. and these are all not willing to deploy those on there for each one of us to know right now. so not to know the bike ministration was set up to give his riley unity long before october, 7th, to run out for all time. and they have done a damn good job with that and

a terrible job of everything. okay, let me bring in act bar again in chicago. all right, boss. and you heard daniel and easy to think made the same point. the us has leverage. it's not using it. is there any difference here with the paris team and the bite and team, the vice president's national security advisor, phil gold, and he looks like the main plas on her foreign policy. do you think there is any willingness or from the harris side to be tougher on his ro, of the 80? so bidding this based on my sources and the administration from the harris team. so don't know, you mentioned something or other advisors like a lot of golden bad cuz that would be her lease on the american jewish committee community. there is a willingness to consider steps like sanctioning even smart richard vandevere defects treatments. but it says that the is where the government doesn't open this to a degree that that hasn't been just the d 6 reality of not having problem some job

. i'm someone who is, even by his story to side, that's more pro israel than other democrats. that could be a different sort of hired smart policy. i think that's been the best that the desire by pro positive invoices, but also others of the policy. if you does many democrats to see this, not just as politically complicated, but as a strategic lead off beneficial to the us, right? the types of a long term, the stabilisation up the retail, in terms of affecting the us as you, as, as a mediator, as a decides for player. so it gives the type of the premium is eat, and at the end we're here talking about all of this diplomacy, and it's very, very grim because none of you think it's going anywhere. and of course we're not talking about the people of garza. i'm the situation that over 40000 dead polio has now arrived. i think a full from you at the end is eat about the people who are, who are in a list. it's, it's,

that's the most horrifying part of all this. we're talking about a territory that is tiny and that has basically become livable. the most recent reports talk of 42000000 tons of rubble. we're talking about thousands of tons of ordinance that's been there that could, that will take years to cure for it for anything to be safe for rebuilding for farming. this is basically a territory that cannot survive any more on its own means. um and you know, i think this is actually on the president. you can think of many disasters around the world of failed states, whatever you want. i don't think we know of anything like this where a border is sealed off and an entire population is filled with and without the means to live clean water farming food, nothing. the population of guys has become totally dependent on world aid. not for the next 12345 years. but i think for decades to come so long as the politics don't

change the reality, that is a free open access to the rest of the world to markets, to the means of life. well, thank you very much. it was a fascinating but very grim conversation. thanks to all guess is each side about shaheed ahmed and daniel libby coverage of both of the ongoing diplomacy and the world. gaza with all team on the ground and their extensive reporting continues on that which is 0 with i'm of this analysis to, but i was just really don't. com. we welcome your comments. find us at facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story on x. i believe at age and side story for me, james base and the whole team even though ha, please stay safe. i'll see you back here. very soon. bye for now the there is no channel that covers world views like we do. the scale of this camp is

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