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hello welcome to the program. i am how sion have a bottle. when the taliban swift back into a policy years ago, it took over a country in which the civil and political rights of, of guys were inclined in the constitution. but since then, many of those rights have been a vote that especially for women and guys. now talking about officials, how published and use set of morality laws, which will event with promote virtue and prevent vice. the new laws bains from requiring women to call the faces and man to grow b as to binding music and cause it comes a time when the i've got to call them is in dire situation. my nutrition base all have to record highs and the health care system is near and collapse. so will this light is crack down the i to lay the taliban and what impact we have on the lives of millions of, of guns, auto body struggling to survive gland to discuss my 1st this report from victoria i got somebody is, is, and supposes of the taliban,

which now calls itself the islamic emerick, celebrating 3 years and power. days later, the government issued new laws designed to and it was come back, vice and promote. but she, according to the new rules which cover or aspects of atkins society, men must great bids. music his band as is the publication of images of living things and women, and also now to sing, we're sorry to read aloud in public. they are required to cover the faces. i'll just say or has spoken to and ask them women who wants to remain anonymous. she protested against the taliban by spray painting, images of the now band as gun national flag on 2 buildings every day. this trip away our dignity identity and even all existence as human beings and the world remains silent in the face of this collective mastercraft woman's rights. the taliban has consolidated its power since re taking control in

august 2021 goes and women have already been banned from secondary and higher education and most women and not allowed to work. the u. n says the taliban has a res desk in women from public life. 3 is a. uh, let me ask emerson technically decide to run for president. now, she may not even be able to decide when to go buy groceries. no, i'm not saying that 3 days ago it was perfect. it was not perfect or but it wasn't this. well, the overall security situation has improved. the economy has shrunk by 8027 percent since the taliban takeover. international funding, which previously covered move in costs of public spending has been costs of millions more afghans now live in poverty. we've more than 6000000 internally displaced. there is no work in our country, and many people are unemployed. they are forced to migrate around in pakistan if

they were good job opportunities in our country. no one would want to leave. the taliban says it's trying to resurrect an economy from scratch that needs international help. the introduction of morales, the laws which many rights groups argue violate the personal freedoms of vaskins makes the taliban government struggle for global recognition. even less likely to succeed. victoria gave some b l, g 0. if the inside story was big at our panel in just a moment, but 1st let's speak to what did katia of his human rights, activists and political honest, based in the outgoing capital capital. what did, what was your 1st reaction to the new mortality laws that were introduced? and i've got this done. uh hi, and thanks for having me here. i will, uh, when i 1st heard about this on wednesday. so i've just shocked that

because i'm living here in colewell again, this time i brought up here, i know the culture of my religion, my values. so unfortunately it, it is mis interpreted it and of love. we are the, um, the basic thing, the most important thing in here is the right interpretation of over legend. so, oh dear, what are some rules? for example, playing for music are banned in said the domain that are not allowed to shave the beers, and the, and drivers are not, the drivers are only that allowed to transport the women without guardian. so the most important thing is not with playing the music. the content is important according to your religion and values, just like the content is encouraging people to

a wrong path. so it would be problematic. okay, they are good to spend years a so in an over at legend that they are famous like some use of but the, their room, they have lyrics long, relics with music. it doesn't have problems. so they are just implementing the harsh version of religion, which is not, and real and no reason and also, but why do you and people have been before we go into that, i would just like to ask you, how is it, how is this new role going to affect your life and the lives of millions of young off guys like yourself. it will affect uh, not only my live in the money out of gas. uh, especially the women because uh, a 2 mainland people have been killed in. so it'd be a occupation and even over 20 years, whereas get us done, thousands have been killed. so dear brothers and husbands did the when they didn't

kill it. so there are women there alone, and they are just running their home. they're not allowed to work. they're not allowed, did you kid us? so they're comple to go to hospital, do i knew i mean other places and they didn't have garden and so what this does should they should do. so they're just putting money recessions and just they might, they, at 1st when they came into power, we were hopeful that the situation was other than normal. but in a process of time to just put things sections. and i'm not sure that by putting these restrictions the united nations will, will easily recognize this government. so i want from this government to change the rules and regulations to reopen the schools and the restrictions for women. especially what, what do you think would be the reaction of the i've got people do think that they would resist these laws and just to be what continue living the allies or do you think about the life is going to be extremely difficult for people in the future

augusta backed all of these new moratti's tables. the basic problems you to get into stand is the lower level of education that people are not well educated. so if the kid me your keys not, did you get to the one to raise that advice against the laws which is not acceptable for men and women in afghanistan. the 2nd problem is the fear. so they are afraid of the reaction of the government that if the rates did advise you, do you react? so they will be punished. so the unifor. uh, they are just silent and they just be they are these problems. but i that again, as of those most, when i originally advised every we or any time because it's my responsibility, i image a gated and i will educate to i'm alive. so i know that the real islam and the

realtor right often our individuals that they should man and women are equal and no religion. so they have the right. did you k 2 words, source, otherwise it'd be right. is an uncommon and thank you equally between men and women, but they are not identical. so let's bring it now. i guess in california, muddy m savanski, a number of guns, his spouse bonnet in exile, and 4th member of of gun piece was an engineer that monetize the situation of god is setting glenwood, maryland. how should i be assistant teaching professor, atlanta university, maryland. why should be such as i've done more than history and women's rights, and believe most had a lot of education women's rights advocate and law student in germany was come to the program. molly and what was your 1st reaction when you heard about these new laws implemented? and i've got is to have the government is saying what we're doing is up so that

there by to just a minute. because this is a line with the interpretation of his lennox have yellow, high was heart broken, but i wasn't shocked. why is anyone shock there is no such thing as a follow up on 2 point. oh, which the world has tried to sell us for the last few years. but it's as if you would try to re brand the nazis or the k k k and say that you know what they've changed. the color of on proved themselves in the ninety's and now we're seeing who they are and their, and slowly their mask is coming off. so it's no surprise to me. i'm heartbroken for my sisters though. but how, what do you think that they are coming back to these more volatiles it, could this be an indication that it's the very whole case members of autonomy bunny, stop this man taking over attending the international community, but investing back to the nor uh oh wow, i'm mary, i'm a covered many the points of course i'm also sad but not shocked out from i'm a historian so i would like to address is from historical perspective. mm hm. most

importantly, to emphasize that but that's all up on are doing tal up on one point, no 2 point, know whatever you want to call it and ninety's and today has nothing to do with as can culture. again, customs are asking history. historically there been many reform periods led by modernist leads. ask in lead modern is and by led by ask and support f games and historically asking government, i've had a very hands off approach when it comes to interfering and people's personal lives, especially the rights of women. it's been a very sensitive area. so i think the most important message that i want to get across is that this has nothing to do with asked and culture. and unfortunately there have been some efforts to label the tal yvonne and their direct tony and decrease as somehow embedded in african culture. it's absolutely not under radical leaders, they're hawkish leaders. they're simply doing the bidding of their sponsors, which they've always been doing, which is to erase, asked in history and attack afghanistan, culturally heritage. so it's really to make us gamma said disappear by, you know,

just know, killing the population slowly. me more so. so what man would have to be fully, fully covet that would have to have made guardians, man should abstain. everybody should abstain from listening to music. uh, weddings would have to be pretty much controlled. personal freedoms would have to be controlled. there would be warnings to people. and if they don't abide by the rules by the rules they would have to face, of course, in the future. how do you see a lot of sense in the upcoming years? i think that's, that's very distressing and alarming. i don't know the start of the 1st with the very that those types of banning women, their rights to be to cation and now there was silence seeing their voices in public. i don't know how far this will go. and then i don't think it could get any worse than those, but i could imagine a, a future for afghanistan where there is no home for people who have

a bit of positivity, optimism, or any, any kind of a good intention towards the country that's will not look like a good country and up and up, look like a civilized society. at any point. money, i'm very is a, in a sense within the autonomy band that what with what they are doing is to preserve the pie to of the muslim oma and muslims, particularly enough got his time. but when you look at the off gun society itself and the different people ethnic groups, north, west, east, totally embracing different culture and bracing their own diversity. and what does it mean for i've got to start? are we likely to move towards a one mind set which is going to be now dictated by the time the bad for as long as it takes a while? you have a very important point right now and i have to go back to the higher side. this isn't a reflection of our culture. this isn't our identity. and as a bonus,

dawn and the word f one is the definition of the melting pot of all of these beautiful cultures and languages and religions. we have, i've done jews, we have our gun idiots. we have off gun hindus and speaks, and she has been so many as we have different facts. and what's happening is that the paul bond has been trying to rule by for fear they want to make a north korea, ms. law mc north korea, where we are low, wherever we're located and, and it's, it's scary because this is going to go back into the leads. you're going to see this in accommodations where uh, this new version of islam that was made at a certain country, a neighboring country, broke down with them and being forced upon our people is gaining traction. is this the real version of this one? we really have to question that and, and hopefully the world stands up and voice. is that because the asking people are living at the point of a gun, but we're not going to hear the truth of what's happening until we see some human

rights watch. we stop until we see some amnesty international until we see something you went on the ground a, making a safe space for aka nation to speak with the truth it. and this is not our people, this is not our culture law. this strict interpretation of these language savvy are little, has been abandoned across many, many countries in the muslim world, to the point where it seems as now completely irrelevant. but for the taliban, this is, are very important to preserve the identity. why do you think that do is this, is it for a purely political motive to tell the international community that he's talking about? obviously the, the, for the way of life for us. uh, yeah. so i would like to add that. um, there is no question to this is not, is tom, i teach of course women in gender in the middle east and even the profit of islam was married to divorce women most service wise had been married before and driven. the tal upon came to power. they even issued decrees that they re send

a divorce decree that regret it under the republic, the top of bonds and position of the direct coney and decrees. of course, any one with a very shallow education and it's not me knows the things i write to education female property ownership of the right to divorce um the right to have an early abortion all embedded in syria. so of course it has nothing to do with islam, it's a purely political, purely strategic. and of course it goes all the way back to the long ears era dentist dispute between us can in fact us down out where you know, we all know that the tal yvonne are a proxy for us to attack the stand and basically trying to have that strategic deb and but going further now not having strategic deb, it's really erasing afghanistan, beginning of a colony, and doing so and the most uh, you know, uh dr. tony, in ways that i do think that what your earlier guessed status does many people, enough games that are not educated about their rights,

not educated about their as long mcbride's they want to spend this islam make. it's absolutely not. and, and you would have venture a reading of as well. i will tell you that we've been in touch with cynthia thought about officials to join the the show by they said they declined to take part and the most on. this is a critical moment for the autonomy by themselves because they were hoping to see some sort of international consensus about that before with the as a legitimate government. and that's got is done by the international community has been saying that would not happen unless you reverse the key decisions that you made about goes education, you this new law to what the international community is view. yes. do you think that this could just, did they any hope for the i've got people to have a better life, i guess, the backdrop of the extremely difficult economic situation. of course, i think i especially came and came from from this country

a when to migrated to germany for the but the hope that i will be returning to this country with a handful of something academies and the with the hope to come back. but the prospect of returning home, she feels increasingly remote to know if guy has done that existed before, seems to be vanishing and the fear is bad. but no time especially woman can return . there will be a little bit resemblance to the life that was was i don't think there is, there is any hope, any, any source of hope that is remaining for, for both to hear and any kind of hope for people who are. and i've kind of stuff to stay in the country money and for a lease, i mean for, for, for the last few decades. we've seen women very active in society by having autism . entrepreneur, teachers profess says doc says how these find it to stick around to help the poor

and the needy. and those people and those ladies in the ticket a with face. and so 10 times now, if you're on to this, the band which has been imposed on goes education, the us go has been saying that. and the biggest spot that a generation of i've got women with face. what does it leave women enough? god is done a lot of women and i've done this and have no future. they don't even have a right to dream. at this point we came from a place where we had the highest percentage, one of the highest percentages, a female, uh parliament members. and i've done parliament, are you in a box it or was a woman are us and basset, or was that what? but we had ministers, we had artist as you said, and at this point, women have a don't. they can't even complain if the were you the world is expecting ask and one of the stand up and, and voice their complaints and fight the call up on when they've been completely a band. and we have to remember that this was not a why a war that was one by the paula bon through fighting soldiers face to face. no,

it was gifted with the fall of one by the united states on a on a silver platter. the way that the gunner said crumbled was within a week's and we saw that. and at this point, um, the responsibility falls on the global community. a come make a safe space for women to be able to speak women, this is not just the women's rights issue. this is over 20000000 women. this is a human rights issue and it is the largest human rights issue in the entire world. so i pray that this show and our voices get amplified and the world gathers. and every woman on this planet gathers and raises their voice for the most oppressed population on the planet. but how the united nations investigate human rights investigators have been, it has been found access to i've gotten is that now you have thought to protest online, give us a sense of the, of how people are reacting to that. it to your own outcry about the need to improve the lives of women. enough gone is done. so i believe you're referring to the campaign that i started online 21,

or i think the reason why i had received global wide spread global media coverage is because many afghans shared my sentiments. that when the tyler bond came out with this never before seen dress code for asked in women, it wasn't just an attack on their rights as was an attack on asking identity, african culture of dentistry. it was an exist dental thread. and unfortunately, the reason why the tal up on i've been in bold and to issue these directly on the in decreases because of a significant extent that have been normalized by the international community meeting. but in glitzy forms and red carpet treatment. dec. why didn't they meet with them behind closed doors without giving them all this publicity? normalizing that you've got western tours traveling to of gamma said, taking southeast and posting it on instagram. such a i'm with the tall a mom. so i do think that like marry him said the international community has been very, you know, enablers of this regime. and with that, you know, um, western kind of the fact the recognition dfcs the legit legitimacy 7 emboldened to

impose and the ultimate victims are asking people especially asking women a most of what do you think the international community should do about the human body tables? well, i think um we, we need some very quick actions from the national, international legal bodies, including the united nations and international criminal court to address the human rights violation to, to recognize the gender apartheid. they're the, the, how terrifying that could get and how much, how much they could do something about it. i don't exactly know now what they could do, but the only thing that i have right now in line is that not because magazine taller than of course, not for me, any kind of diplomatic relationship relations with them that is going on right now and do have and most of the countries and to the other, we um for the united nation and the criminal court to do something about it. money . and we're talking about the private 1400000 guys of the right to education. but i

see on to it the figures from 2021, we're talking about almost to a 5000000 goes who a school age goes, were denied the vine to education. is this something that it was back to? what happens politically today to model or in 101520 days, 20 years from now? we have profound repercussions on the gun society itself. well, um why we have to question why the columbine are, are stopping women from from going to school and we've, we've had many discussions about this and it always comes back to one point and advocated mother would never allow their, their son or daughter to be misuse. and the name of some political agenda that was made the impacts on. so, so what's gonna happen? so, there's going to be an influx and extremism. there's going to be an influx and terrorism side, but honest on it right now, is the blackstone anything can happen there?

are the people are coming in from all over the world. there's no monitoring happening. no one knows who's there. we do know off guns on the ground. do know, but there is no safe way for them to voice what's going on. so there's not just ask and repercussions, there's not culture over precautions and religious repercussions, but there's also global implications that can happen out of this as well. and we really need to keep an eye on this and regular voices. but how you were talking about the international community in a way or another in building the the tati bonds, and met with them with the hope to convince them to make some concessions. but it doesn't seem to have helped a tool. but do you think that the international community has, will have any sort of political leverage on the autonomy, but i'm giving the, so it comes to us now the concern about themselves, when you talk to them, they say, you know what, what are the ones who control the country, there's no one who has. so that's what so i left to say that is a can challenge us in the near future. therefore, they believe that this is a general or rightful them to do whatever they want to do it. i've got a sense uh well, i think that it goes without saying that the international community has

significant political leverage, but it has to demonstrate the wells to a exert and an implemented. and one of the few examples that i gave a few moments ago was, why are they meeting with the tyler bond and giving them red carpet treatment at very high profile gatherings, procedures of global platforms, red carpet treatment, you know, all this publicity photo ops, right? so at the very minimum, big stop of meeting with the tyler bond, probably meet with that behind closed doors. give them from automated, you know, ultimate is that mean? they're so bold now that they're even banning the un human rights rep or to or richard bennett from the country. i mean, that's the extent that they've emboldened so. i do think it's time for them to the national community change tact and to really stop this. the fact of a recognition and instead of just giving people an impotent statements about college, on a few mon rights violation to actually show some tangible action with regards to dealing with them. and that's all about are really just, you know, they're,

there isn't, they might, they may talk bank and have bravado, but i think the once they've dealt with firmly they will. um, they can easily. uh, you know, be uh, you know, uh, you know, reduce the submission or, you know, or, and, you know, i'm completely out of the question. thank you. i really appreciate your insights. unfortunately, we're running out of time by monday and so the mouse and bob jeanette, a more sided ones like i really appreciate your insight and i promise you that we will definitely revisit this story again and again in the near future to thank you to for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i just see that that's going for further discussion goes all to facebook page. facebook dot com, forward slash a jane side store. you can also have a conversation with x, i'll hand it is add a j insights study for me, ask you about about i'm the entire team here in doha bye. for now the, the hard hitting intervenes is israel and obstacles piece. i think that the new

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