in america, to one of the most dangerous, with the government declaring war on the guns and corruption, the people in power investigates with causes behind the search in violence. and it's devastating impact on the nation. ecuador, on the fire, on that jersey, you know, what's behind recovered, sexual violence in india, the right for murder of the junior don't to a set of angry protests across the country. women, according for better safety measures. so what can be done to stop such 6 crimes? this is inside story, the hello again. james pays the rape and murder of a junior adult to let to wide spread the outrage across india, reconnecting debates of abundance against women. the 31 year old was attacked earlier this month while she was resting during a 36 hours shift in

a state run hospital in westbank goal, protest cooling for justice and safety have gone on for weeks, and now political rivalry as a rule. so playing a role in the unrest, the caste is highlighting gender based violence punishment, and what is welfare in india? so with the countries talk cooled now involved, well, new measures and the outrage, i'm kind of underlying social issues be adequately addressed through legislation. we'll explore all these issues with, i'll guess in a moment, but 1st this report from katya lopez hold of you on these protestors want the top elected officials in india's west bengal states to step down the same amount time. the energy is mishandling a case involving the rape and murder of a female softer in the eastern city of co kind of adobe. this is on demand and that's why we came here today. if the states chief minister does not resign the culprits, if the crime will not be found or punished of the people of westbank go,

wouldn't be able to live in peace. the crime has led to outrage across india, and it's also fusing wible reason on political parties. supporters of prime ministers and around remote is b. j. p. government have held their own protest, accusing the training. will congress party of this managing the investigation? the state chief minister disagrees and says justice will be served. 7 next friday, september 6th, we will do t face capital punishment. students will take to the streets to call for this. i would like to request my support is to stand by because the attack on august 9th has led to widespread protest with medical staff organizing strong sen, calling for justice for their 31 year old colleague who was murdered in a state one hospital. she was reportedly, it's have to well resting after finishing a 36 hour shift at least one person has been arrested. the protesters,

the more people were involved and should be taught, and therefore the, the ongoing process so needed. since people do not have safety anywhere. and every family includes the women activists say lessons are not being learned. it's been 12 years since began grape of a young woman on a bus. a new totally sparked mass protest. the attack led to stricter punishment for rate, despite tougher laws. women continue to face high levels of central buyers, and india is consistently ranked among the worst places in the world to view one. i think the problem is social. i think as a, as a society or the patriarchal society, we haven't got used to the fact that we've been working large numbers. india is highest court has set up a task force of doctors to look into measures to improve safety and work. the

assessing a final report is expected in about 2 months until then, more protests are expected. as the rape and murder of a 31 year old woman horrifies a nation, sparks debates reaching far beyond politics. patsy, a little piece of the un, which is 0 for insights story. well let's discuss this further with the pedal of guest sewage. joining us here today in new delhi run, john, the commodity is the direct to the center for social research and political throw women's issues, including the book, gender, work, and power relations and co contact juma. sand is an advocate in the high court that is represented survivors of domestic and sexual violence in bangalore. lou, i'm ready to delta, is the national editor. scroll dot. oh yeah, news website. i'm a veteran journalist if i can start at the beginning of this story and it is a riff at crime. august the 9th,

the junior talk to age that he one found in the seminar whole of the teaching hospital while she was working clearly her with a crime, a woman being murdered in that way. but the fact that it was in a hospital where she was resting after 36 shift, i think, makes it even more disturbing. if i can start with you around joanna, i'm 3 nearly 3 weeks on protests. continue and give us an idea of the scale of the reaction to this crime. and this is one of the most struggling, the been murder case, which has come in decent time. it has not been we haven't had been playing the thread of good course. my, they've been border in the movie bus to denny, and the whole country was for the people in the villages because the book, as me personally, i said with my what i can do, i'll meet a whole nice in that been so and then of course, and we do as long as you to get into the got a lot of which is very stringent done,

which also increase the quantum up on the shipment. and then the hope be and then of course all the 40 this were hanged and we was hoping that piece will become a little bit more normalized. but this has shaken us, or we want to be because the be the body of this doctor was smaller. kind of isolated punched and they've sort of got and bought the next one for the box so there could be more groups. and that's how she was cute was so she was in a hard working space, a doctor then she was in the conference to be hospitalized. after all these other civil treaties listing, i do like he said, and then this person comes in manual, a parsons comes in. so probably don't know, some of the intelligences investigation. think that this because there wasn't a lot of watching by the local authorities by the local police. they just started for you as well. i think it and also that was sent to them and truly transferred the head of the institution and posted it and you went into the posting. so

everybody started doubting things in the b and the government. and then practice drove out all over the country. and doctors protested, we had the best man uh, you know, the business groups in the united nations, everybody and also forwarded to you took advantage of it. and they also progressed it across the country. now, this case is being investigated. this was boxing, this will be more of a print deal. i'm going to be able to show more to, you know, if i'm missing some additional things. and if i start the somebody and they are supposed to come in to start trip or be and said to be open damages for the port to the to be good. so these, okay, awesome. okay. well, we'll, we'll can, we'll come to the stages of the investigation in a bit. but i would like to talk about the 31 year old doctor, the woman who died a, the center of this. now, indian law says we cannot name her, but they're all the details that have emerged from her family about as she was

finalizing her wedding. she was going to specialize in respect to medicine, having witness patients gasping for breath. when she'd well joining co, but she lived with her parents, but they were really clearly very proud of her because on the cross a name plate on the door of the house, it had her name, not the as with the doctor in front of it. her father runs a tailoring business, suffering high blood pressure. we told reporters had that her last words to her mother will please make sure that takes his medicine on time. don't worry about me . i'm richard. this is someone who could have gone on to have done so much good, right. of course of, and this sort of great sadness. i think everybody feels especially the women will come out on the speed. but you know, i'd also like to point out that, um, it's tragic as to the dentist. you know, there is a tendency in there is

a problem in to be if you saw the outrage against we have sort of, uh, happened in this country. and uh, i would say that's also part of the problem. there is no taking away from the loss of this tonight. but the federal government, i mean in the figures for india of quite stock that about according to the mass, you can do a little bit about the 6 cases of a big um, so i think how the, the question the also be to ask is full about who is a woman who's violation matters to indians? you know, why do we see the, you know, systemic of a go unnoticed. i'm covered by media by um, you know, i know, expect politicians and who is it that sort of people. so i'm glad to questions and uh, you know, in this case, um, i would say one as a,

just the most disturbing aspects in this case was of the focus, you know, the learning focus of, of the injuries office. what, but why did we lead? oh, really to be disappearing to environment for us to, you know, be on the streets, is what i'm writing as well as adding isn't it? i'm or says that those details of not being officially released. they all detail just the general got from from leaks juma you of the in cold kata. let me ask you about the early stages of this investigation because it seemed to go very slowly to be in with. there is now a suspect who is in custody, and we understand that he's a police volunteer that i think made people suspicious. where you are as a lawyer in the cold come to high court due to people believe that was a deliberate cover up. do they believe the police have acted or acted in the early

days and the way they should have done? and then uh uh, i think that's a very important question and i'm not the thought of these entirety. the, there's this, this confusion, this scott company that has the most, what comes out very strong. he is the question of institutional accountability or the lack of burial. and if you look at the investigation, the manner in which the investigation have taken place, and i need to add a value to that. i am representing one of the parties before it will be high, go down the supreme court in this matter. so i cannot be locked into the investigation of the lot to me also because the investigation, the need to good diesel, the investigation, not, not part of the public domain. what, what is coming off is coming all to leaks in the media. but what comes out very strongly from the, from, from the, from the,

from the media report as well as in some of this report that does also be of the kind of that this has been taken from the court proceedings. what comes on very strongly is that there has been a complete institutional failure on 2 goals. the false gold is the institutional failure by both the audrey called the medical institution. it says in the manner in which it expands to prevent and prevent a such and such an act from taking place. and i need to add to that this is not the 1st time that such a, such a gruesome act isn't, but also a refund mode or has happened the, there's a long history to it. in fact, our workplace, so harassment law, which is the prediction of the, of, of the there's a prediction and very proficient also. and just some of the section has mentioned all of which is a 20 pumping act in the aftermath of in bio. but it was the history of that act actually goes far back in 1992 there was oh, there was

a good enough gang ripped off of a hole for a woman. uh and share those belts. woman and this happened in the fall. so for a low, a hard work and the workplace page to protect her and the women's groups went to the supreme court and bought what is known as the shock guidelines. so this, this was an elaborate set of guidelines to present, not only to the dress be a reverse apps of sexual how to swing by, you know, sexual harassment as a spectrum. all, all kinds of tend to be as habits meant that women often face in the workplace. so with the shock of guidelines scheme into effect, not just as a matter of addresses but also to protect and prevent and prohibit from no such kind of spins from taking place to ensure that the woman is able to access all the place with the kind of dignity that she deserves. i'd like to buy,

i'd like to ask you another question as a lawyer and co costa the case now, the investigation has been taken over by the federal authorities. the central bureau of investigation and india supreme court is involved how one usual is that and does it give you more hope and then uh, i think uh oh. does it send to the bureau of investigation? uh uh, it does not very fall on fall central bureau of investigation to be handed over uh a case. uh because the law and order is very much uh, including, which includes investigation is very much what is known as the speed subject. so the dispute will probably be the be, have more control over it. uh, it is only in certain cases in betty that exception cases that i do not want to go to the legal. this would only be the exception cases rec, uses uh such investigations that had to go to the cbi i the center bureau of

investigation and this is not the 1st time does this have happened and what is this going to be the last time? but what is the, as far as the question whether be should be hopeful or not? i think it's too early to see, but we are going to be hopeful of the good of if this is going to be an act of detection for all of us. okay. let me, let me bring it up and then i'll bring and run shonda on this point because the supreme court, as i said, is also involved. they've already set up what they call a hospital safety toss group, a national task force of doctors to make recommendations. i mean is, is that's a good measure with regard to this case before we look at the wider problem. and then uh, certainly they would, i think this is also, uh, you know, one of the shoes which are ending in falling into the law. be sure doctors have proposed and due to the safety of the for because we think of the doctor even though we be ordering the departments or a nice your when something goes wrong with the the patient is become

a commonplace pain. the daughter autumn was 75 person about 30, and one of the studies not in gilbert and international study was, came out. that'd be a lot of them. are they faced with some of the other kind of items? so then the doctor supposed to be spending in the finally made dr. submit that has been installed the present during the absence. i only thought to be the some of the groups and they have been asking all the advocates for building sites to look for this bill. that they should bring and so when you been being more to the organs investigation, i only missed that. so people should have a lot of in this book, some of the dishes about sports. and i have all the mostly got daily, daily light working on these issues and fighting back and done. so what is happening and do just by the judiciary. what is happening by the police? because it takes a week more than a week to find a post information before the police doing anyways. so i based on this, the board,

this whole task force, they come up with the more concrete measures you might have your big work from our, our son, him up any walk premises for 30 dollars, 40 dollars. they just put him in the gym on the bottom of the institution to not provide the safety that they were supposed to provide or not provide a place at least to list. i mean this, this is this the, you know, kind of gone through school. i don't think it was so i didn't do these other things . they come on be done. sure. but then when they go to the all the prices and problem that they may be conflict entities facing, especially young doctor supp facing young women, dr. facing in the country. i think that's something that should come up and i'm sure, so people will do it to but just to go back to your question, david, about what is the whole idea? you know, if you look at the idea of india in terms of disabilities, besides, you need to go to the job and you know, the baby may not be an extra day to essentially look please. i'm the domains with the man. this is somebody returned, let's do a lot more cases and model this,

this girl had some play. oddly are, that's what be hard. i'm, as you're saying that laura, these travelers because of the gap between be this, i'm the action of the government that off we shall. information really is in the open space, not possible. what are slow, what does not to be the sole watch game to a misinformation be big so many to the extent that they talk about a 150 them so. so you, i mean, i haven't gotten, i mean, like what kind of book information was that? and then we got started really stories around back in these channels. you'll start getting how many men must have been there. and eliza the, she started coming up. so we move this, this, the, this is that i think accountability has to be fixed, and this is with the state government. mr. holding the, do you have dental, then you just, hi, richard really are for c, b, i d, investigating this case. it is not going to see a sense of bureau of investigation bending off of this. give you good. hi. going to

be more of a 3 sided, but you know, the police has not real good job and this will be more. we now have so many questions from the use of their investigation and then methodology. so i wouldn't be though somebody, let me come out. i mean, ok, you're to talking here about how we don't know many of the details i'm going to if we look at the bigger situation across india. again, i don't think we know many of the details to do with, i mean, i'd like to make generalizations, particularly when we're dealing with the most populous country on us. but it seems sexual violence is a major problem. you look at the success, fix the latest ones. we have a 2022 police record. it's 31516 report. so right. that's about 86 rapes a day. do you think those figures are accurate or all day on on the account? oh, what seems to it from auto bought charger from you know,

uh from your inactive use of giving the fact that treatments and uh, trying to be difficult to report on 2 levels of women are reluctant to go forward and go to the police station because of you know, the, uh, the pressure to do the uh, spanish, also. so for the stigma attached to be, i think the so i would say that those because might be an undertone of oh and so, you know, i think that's also what's come up. i would say again, but we, we tend to think of the best and emergency as a, something that happens, you know, is exceptional circumstances. you know, whereas if there's a massive standing board endemic p, a in india, and we do not respond quickly, do that, can do it meant to inspect the violence of and, and as many them, this would have the boynton to, okay. there's only a set of only and one end of the spectrum of violence of human face. and one of the

interesting things that came out in the reporting of this case was for the man accused of who was a city one. and 2 of the got got the police of the well, the only the complaints against him, domestic violence and they will be by his wife who had gone to the police twice. seeing that, uh, you know, he had, he had to sold the tub. now, how do you know they put in our systems do not want us to continue to silence. the men will come up with complaints of domestic violence. how do you know that there is a link between that and you know, because so far the contract and so i think we need to see this link and not see the buzz of as an emergency. that needs to be dealt with general episode. the gold page it needs the stomach solutions. uh okay. let me put you on that because that was on the pool in case in 2012. we already mentioned it a gang rape of a 23 year old in new delhi. then that will all sorts of tough the lows and hot show

punishments is it that the board is not being properly enforced. why or conviction, right, so low to and then do it there. there are multiple reasons why the adult system is not working. and i think one of the primary in the, to, as far as the simple walk is up politically. the prep is a, the presence of a political vision to meet the system work. the system is not me, it's victor against women. and we have seen this, not this in 2012, not this in, not this navea. we've been seeing the sort of number of deals for decades that we haven't had every time there is a, you know, it's a sort of gruesome re look a case like this, which kind of tends to shock public options. the state response to it by giving a very easy and quick fix solution i'm that is by bringing this all. tasha last,

i think we have a now clause and i think off the 2012 there was a there was a widely consolidated procedure that happened in the form of what this new under the leadership offer of retired supreme court judge. just the, the sort of my committee and the board montgomery be entered into a very, very deliberate process is consulted. olsby court does it it's, it's recommended it deposit and submitted of a big fax report and which had a ton of really good recommendations. and it looked at the system ethics. the system explicitly are all called our institutions and it's recommended of its recommendations that range from changing curriculum in school to changing our institutions of the introduce share to your heart police investigation and so on by training and so on. and so for the, to the run, john, i'd like to bring it bringing around john a towards the end to look at the political dimension. because clearly horrendous,

crime like this is going to become a political issue. but is this issue also being used for political ends at this point to yes, this is very unfortunate that you know, uh now the political parties are trying to lee each other. this is the back particular part. these will be in that state and the state, and this is obviously, this is your kind of your state sleep. i mean, like this is becoming a fine job. uh, you know, uh 5 days out who is the part of the advantage and to get mobilizing the business stake. uh, for example, in this case, most of energy has been offered to resign it as much similar or wants to be, or the guy in college to be able to be there for you. because, um, natalie does have a particular parking, but it was in now we have tons of different states of the, um, the country uh where uh, again, there was no uh price for design and resignation, lending and you know, i've been trying to mobilize them all the nice doctors of course have gone back to

work now, but still you can see the problems are on the speaking, correct? i'm trying to be somebody drop would be, i mean, don't bring the bargain here in there. i think this is something very unfortunate because the women not on the one side of marketing justice. why does that cover the colon case the same day? so you know, really and deliver to justice and somebody bring in the system and by the course was not hiding. if i not, state is not giving you the investigation. on the other side, the political clears one making of nauseous statements. even today, it is a video of noxious tape when came from one of the but it goes why patients. i know the and they had been creating, they've got a job and there is nothing that we can, we can do in terms of stopping just nobody to go smoke fast or what didn't sleep and boom is dead bodies b like a diamond. yes. for a long time, but the insurance, the justice, every december 16th, we organized ferguson valley. so i am eligible for vincent does. she wants us to do

that after 7 years, 3 months. so i know this is what it is that i did is just because coming to a, the just just have to kind of a us, what does that mean? what does that mean, the system and then on the other side you will see more and more is happening then what it be should be plenty each other is a comfortable accomplish discovery to, to bring a discussion to an end to this case seems to show the conscious conscience of india . how confident are you briefly that they could be now lost in change? i'm not really confident about the because this is, as i said. so this is just, um i think of a knee jerk reaction that we have every time so, or do some more, very violent re shots us and i need is being used politically not only to, you know, to sort of buffy was a spot to you. but also it's a pause of, you know, women's, you know, ideas or is it as far as me,

my csp have also be manipulated by one edition school. and they have been responded by buyers from stage. right? i mean, it's good lead to a really hospitals on that that would be and we know from research that the people who are mostly sentenced to death often to be democratized sections of the country . so similarly, i mean this is this idea of protecting the men is being used tools or just environmental forms, lions in the country. i mean in the, in a sub, for instance, in the middle of these products, the chief minister states. so the printer that how, you know, he was, he was a product and so on the back and said that, you know, i'm very good it settling scores when it comes to sex for vitamins and a few days later mine, i'm just, somebody would be accused of the battery died in police custody. i'm going to add, going to the thank you very much and thank you to all guess today from john,

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