around the world, the reconstruction of that was could take several months. the governor would have to decide whether to tip that if you just yeah for move the mouse way, the mailbox window on the top stories of mileage a 0. a large scale is ready. rate is underway in the city of jeanine with at least 20 to palestinians. killed in the occupied west bank of the past 4 days. there was heavy fighting and confrontation between palestinian sizes and these ready forces. janine and it's nearby refugee camps of long being the focus of his writing military attacks and a home for posting in sciences. resisting these really occupation no days in geneva and has this update, are we seeing residents from the refugee camp fleeing their homes?

after an ordeal of 4 days, people are unable to and really lift their heads in their own homes because they were coming under fire. we've also heard the gun fires in the exchange of gunfire coming closer and closer to the entrance of the refuge account, which is straight ahead from where we are paramedics. tell us that they are trying to access an injured boy who was shot and they had and there are at least a report of 2 men, the bodies or the bodies that are not moving up to man in the streets. so the refugee camp paramedics are trying to reach them to see if they can be saved, at least to retrieve them and bring them to hospital. the reinforcements have not stopped the whole time we've been here in as you need. it is a ghost town and the only people who are are on the streets are either the

journalist, the brave residents in these neighborhoods who are a, bringing us water in appreciation for our presence, for bringing their story to the world. and otherwise, it's just the fleeting families and the paramedics trying to get inside the comp, which has been isolated for 4 days. now. is there any bombing across the gaza strip is killed at least $48.00 postilion since the early hours of such a day. that number includes at least 20 people killed in multiple ass strikes, talking to the refugee camp in central garza, on putting in my last 7 members of his family. in the striking material they were in the house. these riley's fight alternately shows them talking to the refund, one of the family members of the engine, and they went up to help him win a 2nd shout target took them as the us military. so 7 of its soldiers have been injured and an operation targeting i sold in a rock. it happened in the unbound desert during a joint raid with

a rocky forces. us central command says 15 fighters with grenades and suicide belts were killed of the incident. the interest soldiers the site to be in a stable condition, a powerful explosion is that a residential area and that is something you have any city of a to the blast at a gas station sent shock waves through the densely populated neighborhood witnesses described seeing flames engulfing the air we are just moments before the explosion . the cause remains on clear, but the reports of multiple casualties. united nations has launched an urgent appeal for hundreds of millions of dollars to help people facing food shortages and 9 tyria. soaring, inflation is hurting the country's poor, that reports as more than 30000000 facing food shortages doctors are reporting a rise. the number of people being admitted to hospitals with acute malnutrition. russian attack on ukraine. second biggest city has killed a 7 people, including a child and a playground. the bomb had

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hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. is the war on guys up and height and tension across the middle east becoming the new normal. let's get to the bottom line. the in less than a year, events that used to be seen as dangerous game changers are now seen as reading moments in the middle east. yeah, i'm and attacking israel and shutting down global shipping lanes. has blog talking about bombing the headquarters of the as really massage a 100 is really war planes bombing lab and on the united nations, announcing that it can no longer operate in gaza. because israel has left no safe space for its workers. and throughout all of this, israel's foreign guys, it continues with daily death and destruction for the $2000000.00 plus palestinians living there with the us led talks to end that we're still stuck in 1st gear. is

this the new normal america says it wants to ability in the middle east and to cease fire and gaza, but neither of those things seem to be going in washington's direction. so what does this mean for us policy and diplomacy? today we're talking with daniel kurtz or professor of middle east policy studies at princeton university and former us ambassador to israel and egypt. dan, it's great to be with you today. um let me just start. we see a just ongoing turmoil and convulsions right now in and around israel in the broader middle east, the gaza crisis, now increasing tension with both iran and has the law. and i'm just wondering why you know, down the road. what does this look like? is this the new normal? i will see, so it's good to be with you, but this is the messages of the middle east has been in quite some time because we have seen mores uh between israel and several of its neighbors. we've seen internal

problems in syria, olivia yemen, press here you have a combination of interest, savings, interest, state of tensions, and violence that presents a very valid title mix of just the other day. a prime minister netanyahu reportedly told a, uh, a group of hostage families that he thinks israel is facing of war of annihilation . led by ron, that's probably a well over stated, but it can suggest you what the mindset is, of israel's liter. still in the midst of a war and gaza a many more and less than on with his father. it has been going on for 10 months. rockets fired in april for me, ron and still threatened. so it's a, it's a pretty bad situation. and your ambassador of the united states is real, you know,

all of the players, the key players that are involved, both sides look as if the most extreme elements in this are the ones that are getting the fuel to create the fires that they want to have am i missed reading and there are a lot of victims and innocent people caught in between? no, i think it's an accurate reading, but i would need to add to it that is also a weak leaders. so you have an extreme government and israel led by a prime minister who's hanging on in order to avoid prosecution and accountability for what happened on october 7th, you have an extreme lead or an extreme movement that has run garza since 2007 is follow which is an extreme is terrorists organization. and of course, we know iraq on going back to 1979, which also week leaders of housing authority that now controls are supposed to control the west bank. and it has been dysfunctional and unable to govern. and so

you don't have the kind of strong 0, it may be transformational leaders that are required. and that's a leading to this, a continuation of a violence and this crisis. how, how would you rank america in that, among leaders as well? because you all have to say that i haven't seen ever so such impotent effect, if you will, of deployment of us power trying to influence is real mean, maybe i'm misreading the situation, but seen open defiance of president biden by is really prime minister netanyahu. and the sort of way in which us power has traditionally work to shape environments in the past seems not to be working in this case. maybe i'm wrong, but that's just, i just don't think we're getting the same impact for effort that we used to. well, i think it's a, it's a more mixed nuance to picture. the united states has demonstrated some great

strengths, for example, in the military deployments that we've made since october 7. that have played something of a role in deterring iran from doing what he probably wanted to do deterring his fellow from doing what he wanted to do. the united states also over the past couple of years, formed some multi lateral groupings. including the in the united arab emirates and israel, that the whole promise for the future. so there are still some strength in american diplomacy, but this war and gaza has certainly uncovered a weakness on the part of the united states and dealing with an extreme government . and israel, as we know the time yahoo for many years has preferred a republican administration and therefore has been less willing to abide by the demands requirements of the democrats, even though president biden has basically given it's on yahoo everything he is

wanted. so it's a, it's a more nuanced picture, but the one that doesn't portend well because if we can't get the diplomacy right, and we're still left only with the militarization of our activities in the region. we've seen how that has been successful in places like iraq and afghanistan, and probably proven successful here as well. you know, for years daniel, been writing that is real, needs to suspend any illusions of a greater israel, that it's going to achieve that. it has to set that aside. and i guess my one question is, has anyone listening to that, anyone, you know, i, you know, i think there's often confusion between those that are pro, is real and, and, and not always really new, advocating for israel. the of that might in fact be the best course in most pro is really course for is really future. but i'm just wondering, is we watch now operations and folding in the west bank harassment continuing to

unfold in the west bank if anyone is listening to your proposition? well, since october 7th, the situation is only got worse. is rarely electorate, according to the most polls has moved, right. it already was kind of center, right. and the majority, which kept bringing, it's on yahoo! back to government. uh, but uh, its gotten worse since october 7, a given the holistic nature of a mazda is attacking the ongoing hostage situation. so it's not a, it's not even a time now to be discussing a 2 state solution. but the argument that i've been making since october 7th is that if we don't discuss it now, we are fated to see more october sense because of the israel's, to the terrorism counter insurgency, operation, gaza, will create a more militants, more terrorist. and unless there is a pathway to an outcome in which there can be palestinian self determination and

independence say, we're really watching a situation that will recur. it's almost groundhog day in the middle east. how do you get to an independent state and autonomy? when you look at the reality of facts on the ground and you look at how palestinian communities had been blocked off from each other, even in the west bank. you know, i'm just sort of interested as what, what part of palestine is any, is available any longer for another state or for an autonomous region because they, it's been dissected. i mean, honestly folks look at the map, it's just, it's an incredibly kind of, you know, a conflicting thing to be talking on one hand about the need for 2 state solution. but then look at the realities of what has happened since these efforts that you are very involved with to do it. i just love to get someone to answer that question . well, see, do you have to look beyond the, the math today? and this is what is possible. so 1st of all, you know the old adage,

so when you're digging yourself into a hole, the 1st requirement is to stop digging, which means that uh, the ongoing is really activities that have created today's map, have to stop. no more settlement activity, no more expansion of existing settlements, no more dislocation or dispossession of palestinians on their lands. uh 2nd is uh just start to turn that situation around. uh, if you look at the, the, uh, the way in which the settlements have been laid out. the bulk of the is rarely selling. the population is not in the middle of the west bank. it's on the edges, the court of law, and what's called the green line. and in previous negotiations, palestinians and israelis have agreed that there can be swaps of lands of equal value in equal size to accommodate settlements that are along the green line. as long as the state of palestine gets compensated with an equal amount of territory

that's of equal value for the settlements that are in the middle of the west bank. there have been proposals over the years of incentivizing the non militant settlers to move back into israel. one of their concerns right now is simply economic uh, they invested in homes and in infrastructure and communities, and they're wondering will that be a 100 percent loss? so the government of israel to kinetic canada, legislation that essentially says we will pay you the value of your home and so forth in order for you to move back. and that will over time reduce the settlements issue to a manageable proportion. at some point, israel will have to evacuate the remaining settlements. that's going to create significant problems. this happens in 2005 when gaza was evacuated, but it's not an insurmountable problem. second, in the meantime, uh,

the think tank in the exxon provence in france has done considerable work on giving palestinians much more economic independence even now. so that you can begin to divest the, your move the 2 economies away from each other without creating crisis. but to give palestinians and economic future that's different from today, you can't do one without the other. but, you know, it takes leadership and we go back to the previous discussion. if nobody's going to lead this effort either from the region or from the united states and allies, is simply walk into. we're in a political season right now. we have a, i just was both at the republican convention in the democratic convention. and as you kind of look at the 10 are now aware, this is as students are coming back, do you have any fear that that match is going to get late again and that the intolerance for debate and discussion is going to rise. you know,

see what i actually love student protests and meyer and i think that the engagement of students in contemporary issues is a very positive thing. and if you go back to, you know, our, the use of the protest against the vietnam war, these were serious efforts to bring to the attention of the american public, concerned about what american policy was doing. se, asia, the difference today is that the too much, not all, but too much of the current protests are based on ignorance of i, i've had experience over the past 6 months. speaking of the number of universities around the country. i think the numbers about 9 or 10 now where students shouted me down, accusing me of complicity in genocide and arguing that the problem was uh, 1948. in other words, the problem was the creation of the state of israel, not the occupation of territory. 1967 the this is both taken to rinse and it is

a radicalization of student protests that is not going to to help change policy. i think with the, with the vice president, the counselor, harrison started to say is basically that you need to whole 2 ideas in your head at one time. one is that the united states, the public congress, supports israel's right to exist and right to defend itself. but we also should support the right of college citizens for self determination and freedom. uh and if, if we can hold those 2 ideas in our head, then we're simply going to end up at the opposite poles in this debate. and we're not going to ever find any middle ground. i guess if you, if you put yourself in palestinian jewish, particularly those in gaza. is there not a point that we just, when things go calm and peaceful and they so called behave and are quiet, we think things are fine. when in fact they're not. they're bubbling beneath the

surface. i just, i want to know from, you know, what insights you have about and doing that. not because i think a lot of people see an unfairness in our attentions. i agree with you that of when things are quiet, we tend to say uh, there's no need for active diplomacy. and then when things become problematic on the ground, we say it's not the time for diplomacy. i think you're exactly right. but they're 2 different issues that we have to take a look and analyze. one is with respect to what's happening in gaza. even instruction must, must take a much more vocal and strong role in stopping the cartridge uh, in promoting a ceasefire release of hostages. return to some degree of normalcy, which will involve the reconstruction of causes. and in this respect of our policy has been to one sided in providing israel with what it needs to try to debilitate

how mazda is capabilities without recognizing that bad at itself is causing future problems. but there's a 2nd issue here, see which we're attempting to forget. if you go back over the years of the go, she ations. unfortunately, you saw time that again at both camp david's in 2008 when owner was negotiating with a boss in 2014, when obama put forward a fairly forward looking proposal to a bus. the palestinians walked away and didn't offer a counter proposal. in fact, in 2008, i was already at princeton. i was out of the forest service. i met with the a who'd all martin israel in the middle of his negotiations and said to him, you know, your offer is about 97 percent of the palestinians require a can you get to a 100 percent? and he said to me yes,

tongue. but he has not heard any answer from the sent. in other words, there was no partner. you know, we've heard that phrase often. there was no response for palestinians. and so you have 2 different things going on and you have this horrible situation in gaza in which the united states must play a much more significant role in stopping it. but you also also have a situation in the previous so called peace process and which palestinians simply didn't step up to the plate. and they were playing in the same uh arena, as israel in the united states. and so if we do get back to a piece process, we need to expect palestinians to engage. you'll see anything promising at all on the palestine side of the question of getting a group that will have legitimacy that will have the support of the people and not immediately come on down because it's excluding certain players. i, you know, that's another rubik's cube that we don't often discuss. well, sometimes that answer doesn't require paragraphs. the answer is no. i haven't seen anything to suggest that the end of this war at which will happen at some point

is going to lead to any different uh, the ministration i know has ideas of how to move forward. both and reconstructing. guys are providing secure, levine, governance, and so forth, while also trying to advance the prospects of peace. but those are ideas at this point and there's no indication that others active diplomacy to prepare for that day. and these really side there's going to be a need for, for change and permits. and the prospect's of a significant enough change in these really governing coalition are pretty game right now. given the anger just within the is really a public. and on the palestinian side, the palestinian authority is dysfunctional. it barely governs outside of its headquarters in ramallah. and so there's great talk of reform and rehabilitation,

but so far, nothing on the ground. so, you know, i hate to sound like the crossing of do, but we're, we're faded right now to see this recur of a 6 time. we've had 5 israel from us worse since 2007. and i don't see a pathway to avoid number 6 in less than 5 months than president biden, will no longer be president. and there's going to be a new president will be either be calmly, harris or it's going to be donald trump, is the best we can deal right now. and i guess my question is, does that choice matter when it comes to this issue? do you think there will be a discernible difference between how commer harris my approach this package of challenges versus president trump, or will it will matter significantly as trump is elected because we saw during his 4 years in office of that he walked back and under cut whatever modest progress

we had achieved until then, i'm not suggesting that things were hunky dory, or were in a uh, a good place. but he basically punished palestinians by moving the embassy to jerusalem and taking jews off the table. he told palestinians they couldn't aspire to a capital in jerusalem by reversing us opposition to settlements by supporting israel's annexation of the golan heights. a trumpet created. tremendous damage which his former ambassador to israel characterized in the title of his book, a sledge hammer. he really set us back considerably from even the modest progress that had been made. so uh, you know, i would argue, god forbid that we face another trumpet ministration, not only on this issue, but generally on american domestic and other foreign policy issues as well. we don't know about the kind of le harris a, she's been

a loyal vice president to press a button and uh that has created a bite and the ministrations created his own set of issues that needs to be dealt with. but her language, for example, after her meeting with the time yahoo in july, and even a her acceptance speech at the convention, suggests that there's, there's some difference that we may see in her approach to early to tell. she does not have a well formed foreign policy view on most issues, including on this issue. but at least it's possible that there would be some change in a harrison's ministration. there won't be change, it'll only get worse than a trump administration. is there an understanding, a deep understanding in us policy circles about what is going to take to try to re achieves the bill the and such in this unstable place? your understanding is one thing, but the will and the commitment to change is another. the 1st of

all a steve, we're in a period of, of not just don't or fatigue, but the donor anxiety, even before this for the european union, for example, was reexamining. it's a policies because they said every time they put money into infrastructure investor, it got destroyed in the next for and here to unless we have a way out of this recurring violence. who's going to want to put money into gaza to reconstruct rehabilitate and make life livable when uh, the underlying issues really suggest that you know, things are going to get destroyed the next time around. and you also have the situation that gaza, however horrible and terrible it is today for me. amount of cherry and standpoint is not the worst problem in the world. sudan, for example, presents for more serious issues for the humanitarian assistance community,

because there is real starvation in sudan and nobody's paying attention as they normally go to 2 places outside of the the are visual concepts. so, you know, to get donors motivated and to provide that funding that's going to be critical and to provide the kind of support for countries to come in and help provide security for being governance is going to be extremely difficult. and that's what i keep coming back to this idea if you don't have a 2nd agenda. you know, agenda one is fixed cost and let people live. but a 2nd agenda is start working on the underlying issue. if you don't do both of those, uh, it's going to be hard to convince paul policy makers anywhere to invest. that's just the reality. but we'll have to leave it there on that somber note. a professor of middle east studies at princeton university. and of course,

former us ambassador to egypt and israel daniel karcher. thank you so much for joining us. a my pleasure, steve. good to talk to you. so what's the bottom line? one really has to wonder what the american game plan in the middle east is. if it's just to exit the region in the fog of conflict, blaming with contraction of american power in the world on ungrateful allies and fanatical rivals. well that's one thing. but if the us is actually working to maintain its power and influence to generate long term regional stability in a very complex region, which it says it wants that america is seriously failing. the killing by israel, of more than 40000 palestinians, mostly women and children who are complete innocence. in this conflict, as are most of the men will drive hate and instability for another generation. at least, israel thinks it can make strategic choices for the us. but it's actually whitening and deepening the problem, this conflict as far from over. and it could really break the back of american

standing in the region. and that's the bottom line. the challenges here with the

safety, i mean come in as an international inside corruption, excellence award, denominator hero. now the on the bulk window, how the top stories and i would just say wrapped a large scale is ready. rate is underway in the city of janine. but at least 20 to palestinians killed in the occupied west bank of the past 4 days. there was heavy fighting and confrontation between posting and fight isn't this way the forces janine and it's nearby refugee camps of long be the focus of israeli military attacks at home for posting and fights is resisting these really occupation? is there any bombing across the gaza strip is killed at least $48.00 palestinian since the early hours of saturday. a number includes at least 20 people killed in

multiple ass strikes, targeting the most around refugee camp in the central garza. he was ministry.