question lie like letting the news of this call on it's area and relief foundation. the hello. i'm dire enjoyment though. hi, with a quick reminder, the top stories here on alger 0 pressure as mounting on these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. to finalize a guns, a 65 deal to ensure the captives release. that's off limited through a couple of the bodies of 6 captors and russell. tens of thousands of protest as gathered until of even others writing cities and some of the biggest demonstrations since october 7th. police made dozens of arrests. the protest was out demanding a sci fi i deal with him us to secure the release of the remaining 90. 7 captains in gaza is where the finance minister bethel a smart fridge is trying to stuff a one day strike cooled by a major trade union. it's due to beginning the coming out as opposition lead ayella

paid supports to shut down which names to pressure the government into signing a c supply. i'm comforted released deal with home us. i'll just say it was home destiny, which is monitoring developments from dow hoff to today was definitely different. looking at these images, you have nearly 280000 as really is taking to the streets 500000 throughout the country. and what we're essentially spawn, cheney is protests that started earlier in the day after the announcement that these really army had retrieve the bodies of 6 captives from gaza. and it sparks a lot of outrage because according to his really military assessments, they were alive just a few days ago. and according to both from us and is really officials, these captives were supposed to be on the list of those who would be released in the 1st phase of a deal. but there wasn't a deal. there was so much back and forth in previous months, but it just didn't happen. so the anger from these really public spilled onto the streets and what we saw on television was major roadblocks to the aisle on highway

which is essential for traffic and israel. it goes throughout the entire country and this junction and television is quite critical. if you're trying to get anywhere throughout the city, you would have to pass through there. so you have thousands of people spilling onto the main highway, setting bon fires, burning tires, and we've ended up using force against these demonstrators firing stun grenades, which is a 1st out these protests using water cannons, which we've seen repeated we, we ourselves, in our teams. i've been sprayed with those water cannons on the ground and the violence that police have been dragging these protesters out and look just last night on saturday, you have we've mounted on horseback who had trampled a woman, who's in fact assist or been is really captive. so these really police do use force in these demonstrations and tonight these really public was much more vocal with their anger. her masters blamed is really strikes of the desk of the 6 captives as well says they were found with but it was dozens of people attend that. a video for

one of the 6 is randy american hersh go. but of miss allison rosamond, helen is rarely city of pitts optics, for one of the female captives 24 year old eden ever show me was working at the nova music festival when she was kidnapped by how much spite as on october 7th. meanwhile, is there any attacks on guns or continue in gaza? city 11 palestinians have been killed in an ass probably going to school instead of school has been use of the show for, for the space people. but it's really for us to say they're talking to the house fighters operating in the building, several schools, housing, just based palestinians. i've been a time since october children in central garza, i think. and how can i use it against the pony a virus? the vaccines i've been given in the data analysis a way to refugee camps, but you and hoops to vaccinate 640000 children of the age of 10. and a phased campaign last month. the 1st case with a virus of guns and 25 years was reported on israel's large scale,

a miniature operation of the gene refugee camp in the off by the westbank assented . its 6 the forces of killed at least 2000 pallets, demands the un scolding front end to these radiant siege, condemning the use of unlawful thoughts. and thousands of workers of some top of us hotels went on strike on sunday ahead of us labor day. that demanded pay rises, invested benefits. i'm guaranteed debby with the, with scale back during the pandemic to be restored. sunday strike is part of a dispute between united union workers with major hotel chains. it's 15000 members and threatened will counts of hotels and 12 major cities over the next few months. so those are the headlines and it was continuously announced. they are off the bottom line state you the

hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. is the war on gaza and height intention across the middle east becoming the new normal. let's get to the bottom line. in less than a year events, but used to be seen as dangerous game changers are now seen as reading moments in the middle east. yeah, i mean attacking israel and shutting down global shipping lanes, has blog talking about bombing the headquarters of the as really massage a 100 is really war planes bombing lab and on the united nations announcing that it can no longer operate in gaza. because israel has left no safe space for its workers and throughout all of this, israel's foreign guys, it continues with daily death and destruction for the $2000000.00 plus palestinians living there. with the us led talks to end that we're still stuck in 1st gear. is this the new normal america says it wants to ability in the middle east and a ceasefire and gaza, but neither of those things seem to be going in washington's direction. so what

does this mean for us policy and diplomacy? today we're talking with daniel curts or professor of middle east policy studies at princeton university and former us ambassador to israel and egypt. dan, it's great to be with you today. let me just start. we see a just ongoing turmoil and convulsions right now in and around israel in the broader middle east, the gaza crisis, now increasing tension with both iran and has the law. and i'm just wondering why you know, down the road. what does this look like? is this the new normal? a love seat, so it's good to be with you. but this is the mess this uh, the middle east has been in quite some time because we have seen mores uh, between israel and several of its neighbors. we've seen internal problems in syria, olivia yemen. but here you have a combination of interest, savings, interest, state of tensions, and violence that presents

a very valid title mix of just the other day. a prime minister netanyahu reportedly told a, uh, a group of hostage families that he thinks israel is facing of war of annihilation . led by ron, that's probably a well over stated, but it can suggest you what the mindset is, of israel's liter. still in the midst of a war and gaza, a many more and uh, 11 on with his father that's been going on for 10 months. rockets fired in april for me, ron, and still threaten. so it's a, it's a pretty bad situation. and your ambassador of united states is real, you know, all of the players, the key players that are involved, both sides look as if the most extreme elements in this are the ones that are getting the fuel to create the fires that they want to have. am i missed reading

and there are a lot of victims and innocent people caught in between? no, i think it's an accurate reading, but i would need to add to it that is also weak leaders. so you have an extreme government and israel led by a prime minister who's hanging on in order to avoid prosecution and accountability for what happened. on october 7th, you have an extreme leader and extreme movement that has run garza since 2007 is follow, which is an extreme, this terrorist organization. and of course, we know iraq on going back to 1979, which also wish leaders of palestinian authority. the now controls are supposed to control the west bank. it has been dysfunctional and unable to govern. and so you don't have the kind of strong hero, it may be transformational leaders that are required. and, and that's a leading to this, a continuation of

a violence and this crisis. how, how would you rank america in that, among leaders as well? because you all have to say that i haven't seen ever such impotent effect if you will, of deployment of us power trying to influence is real. mean, maybe i'm misreading the situation, but seen open defiance of president biden by is really prime minister netanyahu. and the sort of way in which us power has traditionally work to shape environments in the past seems not to be working in this case. maybe i'm wrong, but that's just, i just don't think we're getting the same impact for effort that we used to. well, i think it's a, it's a more mixed nuance to picture. the united states has demonstrated some great strengths, for example, in the military deployments that we've made since october 7. that have played

something of a role in deterring iran from doing what he probably wanted to do deterring his fellow from doing what he wanted to do. the united states also over the past couple of years formed some multi lateral groupings, including the in the united arab emirates and israel. that the whole promise for the future. so there are still some strength in american diplomacy, but this war and gaza has certainly uncovered a weakness on the part of the united states and dealing with an extreme government . and israel, as we know, natania, who for many years has preferred a republican administration. and therefore, has been less willing to abide by the demands requirements of the democrats, even though president biden has basically given its on yahoo everything he is wanted. so it's a, it's a more nuanced picture. but the one that doesn't portend well because if we can't

get the diplomacy right, and we're still left only with the militarization of our activities in the region, we've seen how that has been not successful in places like iraq and afghanistan and probably proven successful here as well, you know, for the years daniel, been writing that is real, needs to suspend any illusions of a greater israel that it's going to achieve that. it has to set that aside. and i guess my one question is, is anyone listening to that, anyone, you know, i, you know, i think there's often confusion between those that are pro is real and, and, and not pro is really new advocating for israel. the that might in fact be the best course in most pro is really course for is really future. but i'm just wondering, as we watch now, operations and folding in the west bank harassment continuing done, folding the west bank. if anyone is listening to your proposition, let's just october 7th, the situation is only got worse. he's rarely electorate, according to the most polls has moved,

right. it already was kind of center right in the majority, which kept bringing this on yahoo! back to government. but uh, its gotten worse since october 7, a given that perfect nature of mazda is attacking the ongoing hostage situation. so it's not a, it's not even a time now to be discussing a 2 state solution. but the argument that i've been making since october 7th is that if we don't discuss it now, we are fated to see more october sense because of the israel's, to the terrorism counterinsurgency operation. gaza will create more militants more terrorist. and unless there is a pathway to an outcome in which there can be palestinian self determination and independent say, we're really watching a situation that will recur. it's almost groundhog day in the middle east. how you

get to an independent state and autonomy. when you look at the reality of facts on the ground and you look at how palestinian communities had been blocked off from each other, even in the west bank. you know, i'm just sort of interested as what, what part of palestine is any, is available any longer for another state or for an autonomous region because they, it's been dissected. i mean, honestly folks look at the map, it's just, it's an incredibly kind of, you know, a conflicting thing to be talking on one hand about the need for 2 state solution, but then look at the realities of what has happened since these efforts that you are very involved with to do it. i just love to get someone to answer that question . well, see the have to look beyond the, the math today. and this is what is possible. so 1st of all, you know the old adage when you're digging yourself into a hole, the 1st requirement is to stop digging, which means that uh, the ongoing is really activities that have created today's map have to stop. no

more settlement activity, no more expansion of existing settlements, no more dislocation or dispossession of palestinians on their lands. uh 2nd is uh to start to turn that situation around. uh, if you look at the, the, uh, the way in which the settlements have been laid out, the bulk of the is rally, selling the population is not in the middle of the west bank. it's on the edges. the court of longed what's called the green line. and in previous negotiations, palestinians and israelis have agreed that there can be swaps of lands of equal value in equal size to accommodate settlements that are along the green line. as long as the state of palestine gets compensated with an equal amount of territory that's of equal value for the settlements that are in the middle of the west bank. there have been proposals over the years of incentivizing the non militant settlers

to move back into israel. and one of their concerns right now is simply economic uh they invested in homes and in infrastructure and communities, and they're wondering will that be a 100 percent loss? so the government of israel to kinetic canada up legislation that essentially says we will pay you the value of your home and so forth in order for you to move back. and that will over time reduce the settlements, the issue to a manageable proportion. at some point, israel will have to evacuate the remaining settlements. that's going to create significant problems. this happens in 2005 when gaza was evacuated. but it's not an instrumental problem. second, in the meantime, uh, the think tank in the x on provence in france has done considerable work on giving palestinians much more economic independence even now. so that you can begin

to divest the door, move the 2 economies away from each other without creating crisis. but to give palestinians an economic future that's different from today, you can do one without the other. but, you know, it takes leadership and we go back to the previous discussion. if nobody's going to lead this effort either from the region or from the united states and the allies is simply walk into, we're in a political season right now. we have a, i just was both at the republican convention in the democratic convention. and as you kind of look at the tenor, now of where this is, as students are coming back, do you have any fear that that match is going to get late again? and that the intolerance for debate in discussion is going to rise. you know, see what i actually love student protests and desire. and i think that the engagement of students in contemporary issues is a very positive thing. and if you go back to, you know, our,

the use of the protest against the vietnam war, these were serious efforts to bring to the attention of the american public, concerned about what american policy was doing. se, asia, the difference today is that the too much, not all, but too much of the current protests are based on ignorance of i, i've had experience over the past 6 months. speaking of the number of universities around the country. i think the numbers about 9 or 10 now where students shouted me down, accusing me of complicity and genocide and arguing that the problem was 1948 and other words, the problem was the creation of the state of israel, not the occupation of territory. 1967 the this is both taken to rinse and it is a radicalization of student protests that is not going to to help change policy.

i think what the, what the vice president, the counselor harris just started to say is basically that you need to whole 2 ideas in your head. at one time. one is that the united states, the public congress, supports israel's right to exist and right to defend itself. but we also should support the right of college citizens for self determination and freedom. and if, if we can hold those 2 ideas in our heads, then we're simply going to end up at the opposite poles in this debate and we're not going to ever find any middle ground. i guess if you, if you put yourself in palestinian jewish, particularly those in gaza, is there not a point that we just when things go calm and peaceful and they so called behave and are quiet, we think things are fine. when in fact they're not. they're bubbling beneath the surface. i just, i want to know from, you know, what insights you have about and doing that. not because i think a lot of people see an unfairness in our attentions. i agree with you that of when

things are quiet, we tend to say uh, there's no need for active diplomacy. and then when things become a problematic on the ground, we say it's not the time for diplomacy. i think you're exactly right. but there are 2 different issues that we have to take a look and analyze. one is with respect to what's happening in gaza. ministration must must take a much more vocal and strong role in stopping the cartridge uh, in promoting a ceasefire release of hostages. return to some degree of normalcy, which will involve the reconstruction of causes. and in this respect of our policy has been to one sided in providing israel with what it needs to try to debilitate how mazda is capabilities without recognizing the fad. it itself is causing future

problems, but there's a 2nd issue here, see which we're attempting to forget. if you go back over the years of the go, she ations. unfortunately, you saw time and again at both camp david's in 2008 when over it was negotiating with a boss in 2014, when obama put forward a fairly forward looking proposal to a boss. the palestinians walked away and didn't offer a counter proposal. in fact, in 2008, i was already at princeton. i was out of the 4th service. i met with the a who'd all martin israel in the middle of his negotiations and said to him, you know, your offer is about 97 percent of the palestinians require a can you get to a 100 percent? and he said to me yes ton. but he has not heard any answer from the boston. in other words, there was no partner. you know, we've heard that phrase the often there was no response for palestinians. and so

you have 2 different things going on and you have this horrible situation in gaza in which the united states must play a much more significant role in stopping it. but you also also have a situation in the previous so called peace process and which palestinians simply didn't step up to the plate. and they were playing in the same uh arena, as israel in the united states. and so if we do get back to a piece process, we need to expect palestinians to engage. you'll see anything promising at all on the palestine side of the question of getting a group that will have legitimacy that will have the support of the people and not immediately come on done because it's excluding certain players. i, you know, that's another rubik's cube that we don't often discuss. well, sometimes that answer doesn't require paragraphs. the answer is no. i haven't seen anything to suggest that the, the end of this war at which will happen at some point is going to lead to any different uh, the ministration i know. has ideas of how to move forward both and

reconstructing godsa and providing secure, being governance and so forth, while also trying to advance the prospects of peace. but those are ideas at this point, then there's no indication that others active diplomacy to prepare for that day. and these really side there's going to be a need for, for change and permits. and the prospect's of a significant enough change in these really governing coalition are pretty game right now. given the anger ext uh, within the is really a public and of the pallets. and inside the palestinian authority is dysfunctional . it barely governs outside of its headquarters in ramallah. and so there's great talk of reform and rehabilitation, but so far, nothing on the ground. so, you know, i hate to sound like the process of do, but we're,

we're faded right now to see this recur of a 6 time. we've had 5 israel from us wars since 2007. and i don't see a pathway to avoid number 6 in less than 5 months. stan president by and will no longer be president. and there's going to be a new president will be either be calmly, harris or it's going to be donald trump, is the best we can deal right now. and i guess my question is, does that choice matter when it comes to this issue? do you think there will be a discernible difference between how commer harris my approach this package of challenges versus president trump as well? it will matter significantly as trump is elected because we saw during his 4 years in office of that he walked back and under cover whatever modest progress we had achieved until then. i'm not suggesting that things were hunky dory, or were in a, a,

a good place. but he basically punished palestinians by moving the embassy to jerusalem and taking jews off the table. he told palestinians they couldn't aspire to a capital in jerusalem by reversing us opposition to settlements spires supporting israel's annexation of the golan heights. a trump created tremendous damage which his former ambassador to israel characterized in the title of his book, a sledge hammer. he really set us back considerably from even the modest progress that had been made. so uh, you know, i would argue, god forbid that we face another trop administration, not only on this issue, but generally on american domestic and other foreign policy issues as well. we don't know about the kind of the harris a, she's been a loyal vice president to press a button and that has created a bite and the ministrations created his own set of issues that needs to be dealt

with. but her language, for example, after her meeting with the time yahoo in july. and even her acceptance speech at the convention, suggests that there's, there's some difference that we may see in her approach to early to tell. she does not have a well formed foreign policy view on most issues, including on this issue. but at least it's possible that there would be some change in a harrison's ministration. there won't be change, it'll only get worse than a trumpet. ministration is there and understanding a deep understanding in us policy circles about what is going to take to try to re achieves the bill the and such in this unstable place. your understanding is one thing, but the will and the commitment to change is another. the 1st of all a steve, we're in a period of of not just don't her fatigue, but the dollar anxiety, even before this for the european union, for example,

was reexamining. it's a policies because they said every time they put money into infrastructure investor, it got destroyed in the next for and here to unless we have a way out of this recurring violence. who's going to want to put money into gaza to reconstruct rehabilitate and make life livable when uh, the underlying issues really suggests that you know, things are going to get destroyed the next time around. and you also have the situation that gaza, however horrible and terrible it is today for me. amount of cherry and standpoint is not the worst problem in the world. sudan, for example, presents for more serious issues for the humanitarian assistance community, because there is real starvation in sudan and nobody's paying attention

as they normally go to 2 places outside of the the are visual concepts. so, you know, to get donors motivated and to provide that funding that's going to be critical and to provide the kind of support for countries to come in and help provide security for being governance is going to be extremely difficult. and that's why i keep coming back to this idea if you don't have a 2nd agenda. you know, agenda one is fixed cost and let people live. but the 2nd agenda is start working on the underlying issue. if you don't do both of those, uh, it's going to be hard to convince how policy makers anywhere to invest. that's just the reality. but we'll have to leave it there on that somber note. a professor of middle east studies at princeton university. and of course, former us ambassador to egypt and israel daniel karcher. thank you so much for joining us. my pleasure, steve. good to talk to you. so what's the bottom line?

one really has to wonder what the american game plan in the middle east is. if it's just to exit the region in the fog of conflict, blaming with contraction of american power in the world on ungrateful allies and fanatical rivals. well that's one thing. but if the us is actually working to maintain its power and influence to generate long term regional stability in a very complex region, which it says it wants that america is seriously failing. the killing by israel, of more than 40000 palestinians, mostly women and children who are a complete innocence in this conflict, as are most of the men will drive hate and instability for another generation. at least, israel thinks it can make strategic choices for the us. but it's actually whitening and deepening the problem. this conflict is far from over and it could really break the back of american standing in the region. and that's the bottom line. the

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the hello i'm down, jordan dough with a quick reminder of the top stories here on alger 0. precious mounting on his way, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, to finalize a guns, a c. 5 deal to ensure the captain's release. that's off in the military. it recovered the bodies of 6 captives. the rough tens of thousands of protest is gavin, until a v and other is right. the cities and some of the biggest demonstrations since october. the 7th police made dozens of arrests. the protest is on demanding a see saw. i deal with him us to secure the release of the remaining 97 captains and gaza. meanwhile, his writing of finance minister bessolo smote trenches, trying to stop by one day stride cooled by a major trade union as due to begin in the coming hours.