of thousands of people at a stadium in, in an easiest capital that of the roman catholic church is on a 12 day tour of the asia pacific region. address. here is jessica washington, before subject and enthusiastic. welcome to pope frances, at the good of them cut a new stadium into come. so it's an extraordinary opportunity to be able to participate in mass with preferences. it's an on now for our families . throughout his papacy, the leader of the roman catholic church has stressed the importance of interest. st dimer echo close to how much waste i encourage you to associates of love, confidence. it should the positive dialogue continue to show your goodness and kindness and be billed as of unity and patience. his trip was long anticipated delayed by several hughes, because if the coven 19 pandemic catholics may go read the engineer's population, roughly 8000000. this visit the bestbuy of pope and move in

celebration to the community. thousands have travelled from all over the country for the town. pray with old from the earlier catholics, and was that is gathered near the stigma mosque with pope bronze has participated in an interstate meeting. the most is the largest in southeast asia. it was designed by a christian architect and stance just if you meet who is from the church, yvonne, lady of the assumption catholic cathedral the 2 buildings of shit and on the pass code of the tunnel, a friendship. the pope's visit is an opportunity for indonesia to showcase its commitment to religious harmony, sometimes undermined by sporadic attacks against minority groups. yeah, $103.00 units have to call them because this is the honor and itself because we're not a majority catholic country. we are a country with the largest muslim majority in the world, but we are chosen for the pope to come here. the past 11 years,

pope francis has visited asia several times. and unlike many parts of the world here, the catholic church is growing. both the number of people being baptized and those pursuing religious vocations. so the interest to, to go face it or me or listen to for francis is, is really high. just because he's a, what the better with the compassion of messages. all of this fine to francis will continue his journey through the region. the longest trip of his papacy, which stops in timor listing public mckinney and singapore, jessica washington, which is 0 dakota. and that is the news for now on out to 0. i'll be back with more right after the street the the,

there's no limit to how far a dream contains key stuff in your own adventure. now, counter and wayne, it's back to school week except for palestinians in gauze there, once lively classrooms are now in ruins, so have to come shelter as for the displaced their backpacks used to be filled with books. and i'll carry the little they have left on these forces. and on this episode of the stream, we look into the impacts of bombing schools and shattering the possibilities for different future. the

or 80 percent of schools in gauze have been damaged or destroyed. is ready. university the last remaining and the strip was demolished by the is really military in january that plus $195.00 heritage sites. 227 mosques and 3 churches, which according to the u. n. r o, at least partially gone. gone to are the central archives of gauze that containing documents pertaining to a 150 years of history. what impact will all these losses have on the culture and the memory of palestinians to discuss were joined today by mahonnan gosh, professor of sociology and mount royal university. joining us from alberta, canada. so mar said page the candidates in the history department of georgetown university. shes joining us from amman and deanna, antoine,

an educator and jordan list from gaza. joining us today from chicago, thank you all so much for joining us here on the stream today. some are when a school or university is bombed, what you destroy is not only obviously the physical building well gets ravaged, is research resources in all fields. and in that sense, it's quite hard to actually measure the extent of what's been lost in gaza today. no, yes up to do to, i mean the damage is immeasurable and a lot of what is written has destroyed, is on retrievable. and as you mentioned, it's not about just the destruction of buildings, but it's also destroying the spaces where a lot of boston and because they use to access which are in the classrooms, the playgrounds. so the education of infrastructure is not just about in part to

knowledge, which is extremely important. but it's also about building those relationships between different segments of society, building friendships about building connections and so it's really, really a disjoint thoughts on how and this destruction has a great impact on destroying the fabric of society. and that really suffering in a way the relationship between different cities and upset because, you know, when you're in school, you're usually exchanging knowledge with other students. you're also visiting other schools. you're going on day trips, you're learning about the city. so all this come, you know, the aspect of the educational system is basically destroyed. and there are so many levels to, to the story. one of the foundations of palestinian society are being reduced to

rubble. it's not me saying it's a panel of you and experts have issued a warning earlier this year, calling on israel to hold what he described, a systematic pattern of violence against educational institutions and goals. and one could say against it's academics as well. um, let me ask your take on why an educated society of college students is a threat to israel. yeah, absolutely. this is a very deliberate part of these really plan to eliminate the palestinians as an economist, sovereign collective people. education is a critical part of how is vinny and resilience and resistance to the is really a colonial effort to eliminate them from their lands to, to expel their homelands, to erase palestinians from history. and part of the palestinians take education very seriously because precisely because it's a source of pride for them. and it's a critical part of the effort to assert the right the existence and autonomy. so

when israel destroys the educational infrastructure, what it is doing, he said it's trying to deplete the palestinians ability to be self economists. so for example, if it, whenever reconstruction happen, we don't even know when that's going to happen in what shape it's going to be. um, you're going to have to replace years and years and years of training for surgeons, for historians, for engineers or scientists. uh, you know, you've been the list goes on. you can't just replace all those years of training and education and research very quickly. so that means that helps things in any kind of reconstruction will be very dependent on others to come in and help them. uh, you know, the surgeons from outside of house started to come in and do surgeries, uh for

a uh, a scholars academics in the social sciences industry to come in, marry their story for them and so on and so forth. so leading to the ability of palestinians to be a ton, him is a self governing people. and the, all of this was going to have enormous impact for years to come. as you're saying diona, you're an educator and i would like your take on how a generation that is empowers the understands its history and its rights can be indeed a threat. dangerous to an occupier. absolutely, i mean, you know, as the saying goes, knowledge is power. so when people are empowered with knowledge of their history, of their culture, of their tradition, of their roots as indigenous people in the land, this is quite possibly the greatest threat to an occupation that is illegitimate and illegal. and so when you have history, when you have novels and oral tradition and books and poetry and all of these

things that trace your family, your lineage, back to the roots in that list. and this is something that is a grave threat to that occupier. and as was mentioned by the other panel, let us, you know, test indians really value education. and this is something i witnessed 1st hand and my last visit to has the, which was in june 2023. my sister in law had almost been finished with her ph. d. she was nearly completing it. and this was a few months before the genocide began. you know, students who had just graduated high school, they were celebrating their told g. he results one of the greatest days of the year and palestine and the next year. those very students, you know, did not find universities to attend, because they were all targeted in this onslaught of violence. again, you're talking about students that were aiming to complete a ph. d in a context of

a so called open air prison with such a limited resources. so that speaks volumes about how much palestinians value education. some are with regards to the deliberate targeting of educational institutions, experts have been using the terms class to side and you actually wrote an article about it. can you walk us through where the time comes from and what it actually means. sure, so scholastic aside is a term that basically explains the target to deliberate and systematic destruction of the education of the systems and palestine. and it was coined by posting in economic, i'm scholar professor kind of mind that lucy, when she was witnessing the engine aggression against it in 2008 on 2009. so she referred to the destruction that we also at the time

ask the lost a site, but since then of course, the term has people and it. and it doesn't just include the, the infrastructure in terms of universities and school. but it also includes the archives. 9 it also includes that heritage side, it also includes the libraries which is written has actually destroyed all the libraries that existed in the state. and another important layer to the terms class to sign it is the fact that it's not just a one time event, but it's, it's an ongoing process, or it's part of israel, colonial policy that has started in progress time before 9 to 48. and the targeting of false to me and knowledge and as a traditional sides of the culture and heritage had really the root starts to be before 9 to 48 during 1948 when. 9 is raised the soldiers use the

library is to go around uh west jerusalem and really a new. 9 and still a private life impulse to me and hold. the currently are basically a found in the is really archive of course, post the news drunk access of this material. and they did the gun in the out in loveland, on, in 1982 when they invaded love or not. they targeted the palestine research center and looted archive and material manuscripts and books and found the building. they did that during them to call the and we've seen it again and so 6 in 2009 again in 2014 and we see it now on the unprecedented buckle. 70 plus years of colossal side actually ongoing. and you mentioned 48 palestinians have historically used education as resistance in 48. 1 of the 1st things those who have

been expelled from their homestead was to open schools for their children in refugee camps. and that continues to be the case. now here's newer founder all the schools without borders trying to keep the use in gaza, interested in learning despite the constant shelling environment might have. i have to come and act in hello, my name is new to me, so i'm an english law graduate. i'm 24 years old from the law. i began talking to children in camps about education using simple activities and found that a large percentage are illiterate, and even those who are at an excellent academic level are now facing difficulty learning. i faced a bigger obstacle, which is the curriculum. what curriculum will i offer these children? it's hard for them to interact with the regular ones or that of the ministry of education because they're difficult, and we're at a time of war. and these students have been harmed a lot until i came up with

a program that incorporates using games. and that is suitable with the state of emergency if the children we have classes where we offer subjects like math, arabic and english. we split the students into categories. we work with all children until the legal age of 18 split into different levels. thankfully i conducted the 1st classes attempts and middle class, and they were well received. around may 11th, we were displeased from all of us and headed to minnesota. the displacements was another challenge for me, but i overcame it and continued. and this i don't. after that, i also began expanding to the middle area and but age as a way that indeed by this week we have just moved to con units to get up know, well, 100 your reaction to what nor is doing. i mentioned takes resisting through education to a whole new level. i mean, absolutely, and it's, it's so inspiring. what people like her are doing what, what would the people who does that in general are doing in their, in their resilience and an unbelievable resistance. let me say this when it comes

to education for kids. i remember during coping when schools in canada and other places shut down for 2 months, people lost their minds about the future of their children going oh, these 2 months have, i don't know the effects of the long term effects of that of my kids. and these people are still getting education by their parents or also of it's also at home or through online resources and so on. and people thought that these 2 months were going to be the end of their children's careers, or futures and, and so, and development and so on. now multiply that feeling that you had for your kids during coven, by a, by a 1000, at the very least, to do, to get a sense of what kids that are going through the last and entire year. they're looking to lose another year right now. not only that, but their schools have been turned into rubble. they're educators, principals, fellow students, have been killed and murdered by these ratings. it's, it's unfathomable what they are going through and to see this kind of resilience in

the face of that is quite inspiring for everyone. let me, let me sort of wrap it up with this. uh, these really states, you know, we hear the politicians calling us animals all the time. this isn't new, they've called us animals for a long time. this is textbook european colonialism because that's what you're israel is, it's an offshoot of european colonialism. and they want to be due to the thing, the thing is, is that they want us to be animals. they want us to be the savages. but the dream wants to be so that they can kill us without feeling any consequence for what they're doing. and part of that is to take away our education is, is, is to remove from us the ability to be like i said, self sufficient. creat, knowledgeable yourself to speak about ourselves about our story. mary's are storage engineer, open buildings, you know, and so on. and so forth. and, and, and what you see here by people like no one is, is, is the,

is the response to that to say, no, you cannot take that away from us. you can destroy all our buildings. you can set us back as much as you want. we're going to pick up whatever pieces we have. and we're going to start rebuilding as even during the moment of destruction, which is again a, it shows you that resilience of the palestinian people in why israel has not been able for over a 100 years to eliminate us as they have always been seeking to do while i mean you bring so many very important points, but what you said about cause it really got me. i mean, i have goosebumps when you think about how everyone was super worried about their children. you're absolutely right after the sam and bombing the killing of your parents sometimes and all your loved ones. and here's the are still trying to fight for a different future. do you want us just how important education it is? i mean, you work with education, you work with a diaspora right now. can you tell us if there are stories that have stuck with you? i mean, we've seen recently

a students come over to the united states and join us here in chicago that have lots of times that they were able to evacuate earlier on. and their stories are absolutely harrowing, and some of them have come to finish rotations for medical school. others are children in elementary school. and they have left the ravages of war. and those who are in medical school with unspeakable stories regarding what they were trying to work with in the hospitals as they were trying to help those who were injured. and you know, couple things. they were not even trained to do, but trying to help in whatever way they could. and now they're here in the us trying to, you know, salvage what is left of you know, what they have and to continue this education. and it's absolutely inspiring to see people what that will to escape a genocide to make it to another country,

a place where they are not familiar with this stone whatsoever and to continue their education. so same thing with children. some have during the school to a teacher, they don't necessarily speak english, they are gravely injured. yet they are coming every morning to school with the other children and trying to, you know, acclimate to the new environment, trying to get into the new curriculum. and this is again, despite all of the trauma that they have endured, and they're able to integrate, you know, very well, obviously there are a lot of challenges, but this is something that is so important to them and to their parents. and so they're using whatever strengths that they have left to really devote themselves to continuing their education and on the strength and that resilience. we actually manage to speak to one student in gaza on what the war has meant to her entire

dreams. and what is like to try and continue pursuing her degree over there and take a look, a set of why they come. and i saw the kid on the sitting room body both of us 9. so i'm still assignments to present method of not having the 7 in october, but the at the one me percent of from someone to get us $960.00 and the terms so sorry that they knew how to desist. tobin full of playing new on august mosquito at the hunter's professional saw head or so how did i see when i can see that it is still 80 had him name in? quinton has also connected at least throw eliza massey. i had a fidelity of the for a lot of padding, the big cameron flew actually most of the i'm 6 feet in it, but i remember day i had to do this and i'm in this and unable pass on these test on was for sub natalia, not what habits with by but the gym at the asylum is thrown a mental event electric award. where that can mean

a 5 ship done. and with that valid data associated with heavy and little saba there, cuz he had many of the call a face to face him studying the said myself at the wheeler, that's just what i let instead of it. which statement would that to see me on the meaning, the special ed door behind him, the little facade box, and let him know who meant to see it and how that all depends on how head in the stuff, a command and my wife, and how many you have the sub about them to afford. i hear that kathy and stuff but know it's eileen is still contributor. the len intense level of difficulty is looking at that a she'll be a they use a ation. buffy a lot of them on the to if and how to us at all. it's munchkin. recommended that are still a colors. what size of not what the nation and the plumbing had been will assigned to the, the for, for you to them dyslexia. so model, when we talk about rebuilding gaza in the future, people like off ok, will be extremely important in the honda that had already talked about this

a little bit. but i would like your take on how important it is to rebuild the physical and start infrastructure, but also keeping these educated use in gaza. a yeah, i mean, absolutely. first i want to say about is or is it has clearly field and it's project to eliminate austin and give them the resilience and the hope and the courage that we've seen from the people the including of students. and 2nd of all, i think it's very important now when we start talking about rebuilding the education system and the stuff that we really center, the people in the center, it's educators, it's researchers, as students in the planning and execution in the future. i mean, we keep hearing talks about, you know, israel, the us wanting to be involved in the reconstruction phase after they've destroyed everything on the ground. and of course, we know what that means. it means a western polonium liberal cap to this education,

this course and curriculum that does not speak to the indigenous people does not speak to our transition, our history, our knowledge. and we really need to be very careful. i mean scholars and because they already sent out a statement calling on all people in the world who are interested in the topic of education and want to assist and want to have to really talk to a talk to me and my husband talked to the educators and know what their needs are. i want to mention one point as well. why this is extremely important to me. it's important to because you know, because it has been besieged for the past 15 years. and israel tried to isolate it from the rest of the world. but this did not happen because of the calls to me and the because of the educators and the teachers and the students who really weren't able to break the seats in the sense of communicating with scholars around the world, from writing stories from the, from sharing their knowledge, their science,

their inventions to the rest of the world. and this is very scary for and through all my panelists said, because they want to show the world that you know, paul, simians are backward people of the people that are on educated. so our existence and the existence of the people and because it is a threat to the, it's really colonial project, it will continue to be a threat. and that's why it's room. it's not just targeting the education by which seeing their target, the health care infrastructure, they're targeting the german and the 3rd targeting the are assigned. so it's an older overall plan of illumination i, i do appreciate your passion and, and the need to, to convey all, all these a very important points. we're almost out of time. i'd like to get diona to tell us if there are projects that people can help. there is certainly projects with universities where people have been working on connections for students to come over and finish their education. their connections with universities who are doing

online courses where people from eliza can join that there are all kinds of initiatives through different universities in the united states and through palestinian organizations in the united states. so we are, you know, trying to make any connections that we can in order to make this a transition that is a little bit easier for our brothers and sisters and palestine to be able to continue their education. so certainly those who have been evacuated also already are trying to get integrated into schools here on the ground. physically, you know, they require support and many different ways, mentoring, you know, scholarships, all of these kinds of things. so those are some things that we're working on in united states. um, but i know that there are initiatives like this all over the world right now. well, 100 um i would like for you to send

a message on the half of these children that we're actually seeing right now here in our studio or in gaza and who in our asked what they missed most or what they would like to do when the war is over, they often say my classroom, my teacher, going back to school. what is your message to the world today on the half of these kids? it my message is to become courageous and matched the courage of those children and commit yourself to actual real action to end the assault on the palestinian people. and there's only one way to do that. political and economic isolation of these really speak these rather stable, only respond to pressure, the won't respond to words of condemnation. the only response to economic and political pressure. we need everybody in the world to participate in the political and economic isolation of these are these big help bring down apartheid and colonialism in south africa. it can help bring down

a pair talking so low. you lose them in talestine. so my messages commit yourself to real action to help the palestinian people gain the rightful freedom and liberation mohammed some r and d on a. thank you so much for being part of the stream today and thank you all for joining us. stay in touch with us. last social media, you can use a hash tag or to handle a stream to send us your questions and suggestions. and we'll look into them. take care, and i'll see some power defines out loud. that honestly, i didn't know thing that they were just people in power investigate, exposes, and questions they use and abuse of power around the globe. finality there as the world economy those strikes are those with

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