the dogs are the most vulnerable groups in israel, relentless for asking questions. why couldn't you know that number right now? what is the issue that we're proposing from the actual best feelings? and you can also get out to see who is teams across the world within the local news . i didn't like from documentary when you closer to the house of the story, are the largest anti government protest? yes. in israel 5 minutes, the benjamin netanyahu was refusing to accept the gauze as the spot deal that's on the table, which includes the release of captives. what could force these kind or even force them out of office? this is inside stored the hello can on james phase calls for the goal is to cease fall

a growing louder in israel as many as 3 quarters of a 1000000 people came out in major cities on site today, demanding the prime minister. benjamin netanyahu agreed to a deal to bring home the remaining captives, but he remains to find insisting the will will continue until her mouth is illuminated. so what will it take for nothing yahoo to sign the agreement could pressure from israel's allies, including the us, make a difference? we'll explore all these issues with a problem. well guess who joined us in just a moment. but 1st, this report from capture lopez party on the pressure is mounting on is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu with hundreds of thousands of protesters demands in q 3 on a deal to for you, the remaining captives tilting concepts. we have to solve that, we have to bring their life now. we cannot to wait any longer. 11 months into the war, numerous attempts to reach a ceasefire deal fail. protesters accused nothing yahoo of intentionally prolonging

the military offensive and called the to appease his right. when coalition, which has the power to vote him out, and everybody in the world who know what the prime minister instance mazda is responsible for obstructing an agreement and, and for the killing of 6 captives. as bodies will recover from a tunnel. and for ortho, a week ago, don't linger over whether these latest demonstrations, the biggest yet will make a difference. because we're not in elections right now. and it would require a collapse of the existing coalition in order to bring us into elections. this, the, the, the, the hostage deal a ceasefire deal does, depends on the current leadership. and it is hard to imagine them taking their cues from these process. despite international pressure,

the latest run of ceasefire talks, or believe, to have sold because of a dispute over the control of the post to the inside of the border crossing between casa and egypt, known as the philadelphia cord, or philadelphia quarter can not be appropriate. somebody has to view and it's always why you want to destroy some us as a military and government capabilities. you can't live, come us, we are, it's obvious. do you have to control the quarter? this was not a points of contention and previous round of discussions. and some is really politicians say it's time to change strategy. i'm going to get the, let's be on it and i did the philadelphia cordele isn't operational talent, you know, but it is not an extra central threat to the state of israel. you know, this is the middle east. some analysts suggests nothing yahoo may be stalling negotiations to remain in office and avoid a court battle. the prime minister's corruption charges state back well before the war. if he's not in office, those legal troubles could re surface defy pastures both at home and

abroad to end the war on casa. nothing else remains defiance. raising the question, what would it take for him to sign a deal? patsy, a little piece of the un which is 0 for insights to the well let spring you know, i guess today joining us from tel aviv we have done, perry, also of israel and the quest for permanence. he's a former regional bureau chief, the associated press in west jerusalem, 11 by root is chairman of the policy working group, which, which advocates for policies based on a 2 state solution. he's a form is really ambassador to south africa and in london. profess that you'll see medical book as an associate fellow at chatham house think tank who specializes in his riley and middle east of politics. thank you. all 3 of you. busy come to inside story, israel i'm, i'm always very wary of crowd sizes because they're always big estimates involved.

and different people tell you different things, but some report saying half a 1000000 same. so i'm saying 750000 people protesting in tennessee as well as other towns and cities. a lot of that would make this. the biggest demonstration in israel is history. how significant and i think it goes with noises. the silent majority that have failed in the, in the elections now for quite some time we have the right wing as society as a career sake uh, events in october last year. and it helped the regiments the right way and the extreme right wing in israel. and to the failing to have an impact on the politics of it. so people gather around the

theme of a is a freeing the hostages. and the i was so myself together was my wife to yesterday night. instead of the special ed transport was organized from jerusalem and to it was massive simply massive. and we will, uh, golden ised into one block of the month to free the hostages. you'll see, i mean, all protests a method that is going to have an effect because we've seen protests may be noticed big at this one. but we see lots and lots of protests in israel since the beginning of last year. not only on this issue, but also on the controversial judicial reforms. have nothing yahoo, a cool x. but i think we are in a, in a different situation right now. and this is

a combination on something like a mation of different grievances. that's that, these are, these have thoughts, visit government. it's going to confess that style to, as you mentioned, against the sort of the, on the democratic system. and these are in the independence. so they judicially, it's the fact that is a and the government didn't defend its paper and on october 7th, it's the way it conducts the role in, in, in guns a, a new way that's way to compromise both the section where things go to the really thing the will it's, it's about the hostages to download the coming home nearly a year now. and it, and it's about snow and to the saw. and with saw, joe saw a choose and people come go back and moving to know, send in, in the, in the so the fact that so many paper that, that look necessarily the nature of some photos of the position. but people are probably voted from it than you know, less than 2 years ago. and no industry it's in demonstrating is because the fed up

the don't cause the problem and they still in that item in government, they don't believe that they do everything in the capacity to release the hostages and the don't provide them with secure with the was the economy stuff so they can go low. so all of this put together brings i think he puts it in a unique situation in the country's history done. let me ask you about ness and you know who's response to this? because it seems in a swipe towards the protest is he was quoted as saying most is riley's or not swayed by how mass propaganda. yeah, i mean the town. so it is a master propagandists. i don't expect the time, you know who to be very much impressed of the process. and in general, it must be said to the protest. very rarely cause uh, you know, the collapse of governments and then democratic societies and israel, whatever else can be said, it is one and basically nothing else that can be expected to ignore the protest.

refer them was the same here in there, and try to hang on until the next scheduled election, which is in late 2026. regardless of the sizes protest. i agree. they, they were, are probably larger than the classic center, less process because many people and the thing i was on campus or generally align with the right wing, are quite disgusted by the, the just multi faceted failure of, of this government's sense, the under debacle of october 7th, all the way to the current war which whatever achievement, so they may be able to point to it when the degradation of the us leaves israel 11 months down the road and the situation weren't miserable. now. i'm also still doing power, so spend that as a well, doesn't look like much. it was accent hello knew what the ass so let me ask you why people were protesting. was it to get the see spot deal and to get the 100 or so is right, he's held and guns that to be released,

or are they also angry about the high levels of palestinian civilian dest, about 40 $1000.00 in almost a year. the reason i'm asking you is because i'm trying to look out is the input, see at the bottom with among these people for the palestinians. all that forces here, the could move things to dialog. and not at this point in time. am they, if these are the society is said by in laws oblivious to what's going on in gaza? our media is not covering it. and the only people who watch it for him channels are like you own and have an idea what is. but this is a small minority and he doesn't pay and the is really the around me yesterday evening. we're simply focused on the release of cost that he's on to. it is very clear the. the equation is very simple. if it's any

a who decides to go along with a the america and it's a cut that easy evictions and get a deal. this means ceasefire. this means that the yahoo, in his own base, in the eyes of his own base, has lost the role because none of the 3 objectives be clear, the objectives of this world will actually, eh, realized how mouse is not dead. the hostages on the back and a gaza is because a strip and we, we are, we have no reason to believe that if things less as, as a, as if it goes a street was still eh, being as relates to these releases is released living on our side of the border. so what to what people expect is regardless of what is going on in gaza,

regardless of the book, a political it, let me speak ations funded them yahoo. and they will bring back the hostages if they persist. and if at the same time, the international community persist, mainly the americans, as it'd be, who might see a movement, the drop down, let me ask you about the roles of the families of those who died and those who are being held how important all day in mobilizing these mass protests, what you say they're, it's really important because they provide a unit face and that's how our societies work. i mean they, some of these families have become and basically celebrities. and they're very, very good design their case. and some are very intelligent and, and, and are so passionate and determined and the tragedy that they've been door it is something almost anyone can, can connect with. so yeah, it is effective in creating these process. but at the end of the day, what,

what has just been said is also very, very true is israel does the deal that's on the table. lots has not changed. it's a basic perspective for, for many, many months, which is a new or political as a lever, some power again the great it but still empower good back of hostages. that will look like a defeat for israel and in a way it would be. but the fly in the one piece of that argument is the home us is still in a position to stay to, to remain in power. it says, or lee is creating a vacuum. that's partly because of israel's own policy of avoiding any discussion or any planning for a day after scenario where there is an alternate to thomas and goals and an office candidate will be re re trained through jaeger, rejuvenated, pulsating, and sorry, but that's now has not been able to, to, to go in the mention of direction because the extreme right that holds the government by the neck has threatened to bring him down, and those threats are credible. so is there wasn't quite a pickle where it is,

no matter where it goes. it's gonna look like it failed and in the conduct of the war now they certainly, you know, punish thomas by the way, to 41000 and figured includes almost smells. and so it's not all civilians, but a lot of the killed as well. and there isn't israel, of some interest function about that, but also have to a bad, a considerable degree of this belief in the numbers coming out of bills and also something of a disappointment in the world. a community that seems to not understand what is earliest believe is true, which of the civilians are dying because some of these are the material shields. husband need somebody wants them to be killed because that is good. p r for them versus okay, you'll see all of these people want a see saw nothing. yahoo is not accepting a safe spot. now, his stated reason is the control or the philadelphia card. all. that's the 14 kilometer buffer zone that's inside garza,

on the border with egypt. now these negotiations have you go home for a very long time that didn't seem to be a problem some months ago for ness and yahoo, it was sort of not a problem when present biden announced that israel had proposed a deal back in may. it wasn't the problem even when this deal of the prize deal was endorsed by the un security council. what do you make of the prime ministers stated reason for opposing this c spot a this is exactly what the most space, the only thing that they said the reason for that time, you know, not to accept the data to be not so sure. well, how much spends on, on, on the data, but it's, at least these are the people who want to see that they can, you know, he's doing his best and when every time the new condition in the philadelphia currently to all of a sudden came a states that the, the reason the old excuse as many say that of not a sickening then,

then we are allowed to be suspicious that bill tilio multi vendale latino, multi is full time yell to stay info. as long as possible. it's, it's, it's closely connected. and the related to is, is co option times that is ongoing goal of the default and deliberated in, in, in these what are the calls for 4 wheels. and he lays even giving evidence, but don't take my words fully. thank the defense minister and you have a gun and though is not exactly a task that says also just felt and then when the data with the secure, what do philadelphia think? the philadelphia, a probably know what the chief of stuff and the phone, the chief of staff, benny guns and, and guy the eyes included the, almost the getting exactly less the they're saying that this, that you can deal with fear. plato, bucks for ways that it's the most important issue as the port test,

those yesterday in philadelphia and in other places, it kept saying almost to just fails because this is both of the thoughts of these are in the society of the spouse of the eat, the soul of the idea if it's also a joyce, if those of making sure that hostages coming back, i'm gonna tell them and they're doing everything in the capacity to, to a $2.00, to $3.00 times. i mean, if this is not the case, everyone is suspicious. that's yes, nathaniel is in the motive. ok. along you head, you'll see the site. there may be political motives. i'd like to come back to the moment. but 1st, just examine one of the point that i've, i've heard some people saying because nothing, you know, who's talking about the philadelphia cordele, that's the buffer zone near egypt. he's also wants to keep the net. so re mcculla, colorado, which is one by selecting the gaza strip. i've heard someone suggesting that might be a hidden ground plan that he wants to keep because a strip divided perhaps a little bit like the westbank, with fortification correspondence,

car doors and buffer zones. um, you know, sort of swiss cheese like the westbank robin one continue, continue, contiguous published in your area. do you think there's anything in that where do i believe that in this in yahoo and he's the extreme right when we can government him . they do not to look at it and it's what is going on in gaza just in the guys a context. and then is some people on the very right waiting, discuss resettlement, or is it taking this engagement of 2005 back into uh into history. so i mean, you mean some people are saying they will take the palestinians out of gaza or bring back is really settlements inside gaza. it agrees bring back is really sacraments. but i think the it says something to, to look at

a be on the context of guns, and that is the west bank, the, and the extreme right wing. and israel is a looking at the options to consolidate is a hold of the west bank in its entirety, and then it makes it to his road. and for that it needs to take control of the jordan valley unilateral control of the children valley. and anyway, is there, of course of the international community refuses, is this desire. and in a way that if you're busy, a condo is a mini and jordan valley if you want. and if there is a way of succeeding in convincing the americans and others that it needs a quote to do in order to protect israel for the defense of israel. this would be

a big step forward in the got the station around the it occupied territories at large. and i think we need to look at that. let me bring it and i'll just tell us down your view. what would happen if nothing. you all who signed the c spot deal as it stands? now, what would happen to his coalition? would it collapse? number one, a number to remind us about the state of those legal cases against nothing. yahoo, what would happen to nothing? yahoo, if he was no longer the prime minister. well, the, the, the cynical is which is not entirely unreasonable, is a, as, as has been decided here is at least one factor and was thinking about is if the word goes on and the circumstances don't arise or bring down the government. if he signed a deal and israel pulled out of god, loss and victory celebrations and got the city, then even if israel got back the hostages, and it's true the is early site, wants to prioritize the hosses because they're dying in prison and the tall. but if

the house and it's it's, it seems to me not impossible, the government really would collapse because there would be tremendous anger on the part of these rarely far right. and some political calculations by the leaders of the far right that they could do very well in the lunch and, and, and, and moving right along if a new election were held, polls show that nothing you know would lose and lose rather badly. because of the shift that happened as a result of both the very unpopular judicial reforms, so called traditional reforms and the breakdown of october 7th and everything sense that would that affect his legal cases? it is the other is thought earlier in the show it seems to be suggested. the cases are somehow no longer going on that i might be resumed to c. c. c. think that's not true, of the cases are going on. but, but his states as being prime minister and more over prime minister in the middle of, of the, of, of a tremendously intensive war does enable him to,

to implement various session and again, and delay factors. and that's what he's been doing the by he has asked the course to delay his own. um, uh, witness testimony. and they've agreed. and i think that's now set for, for later in the fall, earlier in the winter. and you can expect more of that. if he's a private citizen, it's quite likely that the cases would speed up. but you know, the amount of 70 for the justice of this kind of israel is the wielder slow. even if he is convicted there will be a uh, you know, a deal is that, so i don't think the, the case is necessarily the main thing here. what we have is a prime minister, who despite the vehemence of the opposition to which i assess at this point is the majority position. and, and these early colleagues does not the less have a quite rad the base of support. and it also suffers, i believe, from the most classic case i've seen and covering about

a 100 countries on the world of the 14th complex, where he really doesn't believe that he's critical to the prosecution of events on how one can believe a given the spectacular failures of the past year and a half or 2 is really something for a psychologist the moment. okay. you'll see that you heard that what dan said, he thinks that nothing you all who would lose if there was election right now. just take the temperature of public opinion on the cease file. how many people support sci fi? would you say i'd also this issue of the, for the delphi card or where to but it was ready, people stand on that i think that's a photo. it need to work with nice defense and the old became available only is that at least society and he just sort of for both of them next that stop everything from changing. see it when he goes and he would go, it's one sort of every thing, but it would be a stuff from being able to be in different disclose. 15 days at the society. i

think for the ease, at least that i know is mainly about releasing the hostages, says fire, and then populate, replacing them. it's in your government as you ask earlier and about empathy. unfortunately, there is no much empathy, a folder or for for palestinians. there is no task that there is a possibility to move forward as to what the 2 state solution but to building the main. so for one of the most violent episodes between days that i can follow stands and does exactly with these i as the policy team is and says, new new government, new leadership, new you disclose. you understanding that the only way to move forward is by looking into a 2 state solution in the, in accepting this f one should have the same allowed at similar, similar human light split to collide steven lights. so suddenly these are the concepts, the one got, so no 2 poles reflect any mole. whether it's the only thing for the philadelphia

quote, we do a lot. if most of them, i've looked a little bit concerned about that. but the one thing and see if i could bring you bring you in at the end you are a former is riley soldier form is ready. diplomats who resigned because you believe in a 2 state solution. why is the is writing public on that? because i look back in, in the 1990 is off to the lowest level. cool. it's about 70 percent of his right is supported a 2 state solution where the, the biggest i'm now one of you are all the depressed by the situation. yes, it is quite depressive to be a member of a small minority who uh eh, dp, convinced that is what it is because taking the wrong path, tragically and the it is a competing ways and history that will lead us to the end

a we will eventually we will have to have the palestinians get the a right for says get to the nation money fisted in sovereignty over the online and the getting rid of the easily donation. all of this will take place. we don't know when, and we don't know what the circumstances were. you present in what way the circumstances necessary for that would prevail. but to we are determined to uh, eh, play whatever humble role in it a to see the transformation that taking place. and we will be back to, to, to, to the game. okay. and then finally, you are a former journalist. so i'm going to ask you to make a prediction is doing this often have to do what could change things. walters, netanyahu's biggest vulnerability. briefly please. it is because the reality is that the americans lose visions and the see sending additions and saves their uh,

if you tell what the security council that would be getting change right out. it's gonna happen. certainly not before the selection. quite possibly not even after but, but you never know the other home or ability is, you know, life kind of goes on and there are roles in israel. and if he fails to pass a budget, then the government will collapse and it will be election by march, i believe the 2025. and that actually could happen because of things that have nothing to do the war and have everything to do with israel's other. marriott problems in particular, what to do with the older or as less community that refuses to serve in the military and, and presents many, many other challenges. this budget thing actually could be that those ex, montana, that fixes the problem. sign to dan, thank you gentlemen. for joining us on inside story, israel, i guess we're done, perry ilan by root, and you'll see medical book out as there was coverage of the war on gauze. and the situation across the region continues here around the clock. you can catch the light is on your phone with our app or bug at having to al jazeera dot com. we want

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