deceased for the right to crozier for the living to the european parliament. every friend particular to the thousands of migrant bodies, buried with 7 name in european cemeteries, fuel or unknown. witness documentary on a chest. the largest anti government protest. yes, in israel. prime minister benjamin netanyahu was refusing to reset the gauze of seeing spotted deal with some of the tables, which includes the release of captives, what could forces kind, or even force them out of office. this is inside stored the hello can on james phase calls for the goal is to see spot a growing louder in israel. as many as 3 quarters of a 1000000 people came out in major cities on site today, demanding that prime minister benjamin netanyahu agreed to

a deal to bring home the remaining captives. but he remains to find insisting the will will continue until her mouth is illuminated. so what will it take for nothing yahoo to sign the agreement could pressure from israel's allies, including the us, make a difference? we'll explore all these issues with a problem. well guess who joined us in just a moment. but 1st, this report from capture lopez on the, on the pressure is mounting on his really prime minister benjamin netanyahu with hundreds of thousands of protesters demands, and q 3 on a deal to for you, the remaining captives tilting gone. so we have this out loud that we have to bring them, are lice. now, we cannot wait any longer. 11 months into the war, numerous attempts to reach a ceasefire. do you have failed? protesters accused nothing. yahoo! of intentionally prolonging the military offensive in casa to appease his right wing coalition, which has the power or to vote him out of the

window. with a prime minister in a mazda is responsible for obstructing an agreement, and for the killing of 6 captives. as bodies will recover from a tunnel in for orfa a week ago. don't linger over whether these latest demonstrations, the biggest yet will make a difference. because we're not in elections right now, and it would require a collapse of the existing coalition in order to bring us into elections. this, the, the, the, the hostage deal a ceasefire deal does depend on the current leadership. and it is hard to imagine them taking their cues from these process. despite international pressure, the latest run of ceasefire talks are believed to have sold because of a dispute over the control of the posted inside of the border crossing between casa and egypt,

known as the philadelphia cord or philadelphia quarter cannot be perfect. somebody has the views and it's obvious why you want to destroy from us as a military and government capabilities. you can't let come us. we are so obvious. you have to control the quarter. this was not a points of contention in previous round of discussions. and some is really politicians say it's time to change strategy. i wanted to, let's be honest, i did, the philadelphia car. adult is an operational talent. but it is nothing extra dense with the right to the state of israel. you know, this is the middle east. some and a little suggests nothing yahoo may be stalling negotiations to remain in office and avoid a court battle. the prime minister's corruption charges state back well before the war. if he's not in office, those legal troubles could re surface pastures both at home and abroad to end the war on casa. nothing else remains defiance, raising the question,

and what would it take for him to sign a deal? patsy. a little bit of a yan how to 0 for insights to the well let spring you know, i guess today joining us from tel aviv we have done parry also of israel and the quest for permanence. he's a former regional bureau chief, the associated press in west jerusalem, 11 by root is chairman of the policy working group, which, which application of policy is based on a 2 state solution. he's a form is really ambassador to south africa. i'm in london professor, you'll see medical book as an associate fellow at chatham house think tank who specializes in his riley and middle east of politics. thank to all 3 of you. welcome to inside story, israel, i'm, i'm always very wary of crowd sizes because there was big estimates involved, and different people tell you different things, but some report saying, holl familia, and so i'm,

so i'm saying 750000 people protesting in tennessee as well as other towns and cities alarm that would make this, the biggest demonstration in israel's history. how significant. and i think it goes with noises and is silent majority that am failed in the, in the elections. now for quite some time we have the right wing as society as a career sake uh, events in october last year and a how the regiments, the rights when the extreme right wing in israel and, and, and failing to have an impact on the politics of it. so people gather around the theme of a it's a freeing the hostages. and the i was,

i myself together was my wife to yesterday night instead of the special ed transport was organized from jerusalem. and it was massive simply massive and a, we were all uh, golden ized into one block of the mon, to free the hostages. you'll see, i mean, all protests a message that is going to have an effect because we've seen protests may be noticed big at this one. but we see lots and lots of protests in israel since the beginning of last year. not only on this issue, but also on the controversial judicial reforms of nothing yahoo to collect. but i think we are in a, in a different situation right now. and this is a combination of, most of my information of different grievances. that's that, these are, these have towards the government. it's going to been says that started as you

mentioned, against the source on the democratic system. and these are in the independence of the day. traditionally, it's the fact that is a and the government didn't defend its pay for it on october 7th. it's the way it conducts the role in, in, in guns a, a new way that's way to compromise both the section where things go to the really team the will. it's, it's about the hostages to download coming home nearly a year now. and then and, and, and it's about snow and to the soil and with soldiers saw uh, shields and people to come go back and moving to know, send in, in the, in the so the fact that so many paper that, that not necessarily the nature of some photos of the position, but people are probably voted from it than you know less than 2 years ago. now in the states in demo. but i think is because the fed up the don't cause the problem and they still in the item in government. they don't believe that they do everything in the capacity to release the hostages and it doesn't provide them with

security. was they according to me suffering, go low. so all of this put together brings i think he puts it in a unique situation in the country's history. don, let me ask you about ness and you know who's response to this? because it seems in a swipe towards that protest is he was quoted as saying most is riley's on not swayed by how master propaganda. i mean the town. so if there's a master propagandist, i don't expect the time you know who to be very much impressed of the process. and in general, it must be said to the protest. so very rarely cause uh, you know, the collapse of governments and then democratic societies and israel, whatever else can be said, it is one. and basically that's how you all can be expected to ignore the protest. refer them was the same the here in there, and try to hang on until the next scheduled election, which is in late 2026. regardless of the sizes process. i agree. they were probably

larger than the classic center, less process because many people and the thing i was on campus or generally aligned with the right wing, are quite disgusted by the, the just multi faceted failure of, of this government's sense, the under debacle. effects over something, all the way to the current world, which whatever achievement so they may be able to point to it when the degradation of the us leaves israel 11 months down the road and the situation weren't miserable . now. i'm also still doing powers has been that as a well, doesn't look like much of a success in you. well, that's, so let me ask you why people were protesting. was it to get the see spot deal and to get a 100 or so is ready is held and gone? is that to be released? or are they also angry about the high levels of palestinian civilian dest? about $41000.00 in almost

a year. the reason i'm asking you is because i'm trying to work out, is that input, see the bottom with among these people for the palestinians, all the forces here, the could move things to dialog. and not at this point in time. am they a, these are the society is said by in laws oblivious to what's going on and gaza. our media is not covering it. and the only people who watch funding channels like you own and have an idea what is. but this is more minority and it doesn't play. and these really around me yesterday evening were simply focused on the release of hostages. and to it is very clear. the equation is very simple. if it's any a who decides to go a long way, say the america and it's a cut that easy egyptians and get to do this means ceasefire. this means

and let them yahoo! in his phone base, in the eyes of his own base, he has lost the rules because none of the 3 objectives, it'd be clear, the objectives of this world. we're actually eh, realized how mouse is not dead. the hostages on the back and a gaza is because a strip and we, we are, we have no reason to believe that if things are less as, as a, as if it goes a street will stop. eh, being as rates to these releases is released living on our side of the boulder. so what to what people expect is, regardless of what is going on in gaza, regardless of the book, a political it, let me see cation is funded, them, yahoo!

and they will bring back the hostages if they persist. and if at the same time the international community persist, mainly the americans, as it'd be, who might see a movement, the drop down. let me ask you about the roles of the families of those who died and those who are being held. how important ave, in mobilizing these mass protests, which you say, there's really important because they provide a human face and that's how our societies work. i mean, they, some of these families have become and basically celebrities, and they're very, very good design their case and some are very intelligent and, and, and they're so passionate and determined and the tragedy that they've been door, it is something almost anyone can connect with. so yeah, it is effective in creating this process, but at the end of the day, um, what, what has just been said is also very, very true is israel does the deal that's on the table. lots has not changed. it's

a basic perspective for, for many, many months, which is a new or political as a lever, some power again the great it but still empower good back of hostages. that will look like a defeat for israel and in a way it would be. but the flying, the one piece of that argument is the home us is still in a position to stay to, to remain in power as, as early as creating a vacuum. that's partly because of israel's own policy of avoiding any discussion or any planning for a day after scenario where there's an alternate to thomas and goes and an obvious candidate would be re, re trained through triggered, originated testing and started. but that's now has not been able to to, to go in and ensure that direction because the extreme right that holds the government by the neck, has threatened to bring him down. and those threats are credible. so is there wasn't quite a pickle where it is. no matter where it goes, it's gonna look like it failed and in the conduct of the warrant out, they certainly, you know, punish thomas by the way,

the 41000 and figure includes all my smells. and so it's not all civilians but a lot of able to be killed as well. and there isn't israel, of some interest function about that, but also have to a bad, a considerable degree of this belief in the numbers coming out of bills and also something of a disappointment in the world. a community that seems to not understand what is earliest believe is true, which of the civilians are dying because some of these are the material shields. husband needs and wants them to be killed because that is good. p r for them versus, okay, you'll see all of these people won't as the spa, nothing yahoo is not accepting a safe spot. now he's stated, reason is the control of the philadelphia card all about the 14 kilometer buffers zone that's inside gaza on the border with egypt. now these negotiations will be gone home for a very long time. that didn't seem to be a problem some months ago financing yahoo!

it was sort of not a problem when president biden announced that israel had proposed a deal back in may. it wasn't the problem even when this deal of the prize deal was endorsed by the un security council. what do you make of the prime ministers stated reason for opposing this c spot? this is exactly what the law space is. the only thing that they said it was reason for let them know not to accept the data be not so sure. well, how much spends on, on, on the data. but it's, at least these are the people who want to see that they can, you know, he's doing his best. and when every time the new condition in the philadelphia calling to all of a sudden came a state that the, the reason the old excuse as many say that of not a sickening and then, then we are allowed to be suspicious that bill tilio loyalties and now it's a little motive, is for the 10 year old to stay info as long as possible it's,

it's, it's closely connected and related to is a school option times that is ongoing goal of the default and deliberated in, in, in these are the calls for 4 wheels and he lays even giving evidence, but don't take my was fully thanked the defense minister and you have a gun and though is not exactly a task that says us to just fast and then with the, with the secure, what do philadelphia think? the philadelphia a probably though, well, take the chief full style from the phone with the chief of staff, benny guns and, and guy. the eyes included the, almost the getting exactly less the they're saying that this, that you can deal with fear, play po, box full ways that the most important issue is that both test those yesterday, intel, of even in other places. it kept saying also just fails because this is both of the thoughts of these are the society of the spouse of the eat,

the soul of the idea. it's also a joyce, it those of making sure that tossed the just coming back and when they tell them again, they're doing everything in the capacity to, to a 2, to 3 times. i mean, if this is not the case, everyone is suspicious. that's yes. and that then, you know, is in the motive ok along you head, you'll see that say there may be political motives. i'd like to come back to the moment. but 1st, just examine one of the point that i've, i've heard some people saying, because nothing, you know, he's talking about the philadelphia cordele, that's the buffer zone near egypt. he's also wants to keep the net. so re, mcculloch codle, which is one by selecting the gaza strip. i've heard some suggesting that might be a hidden gram plan that he wants to keep. because the strip divided perhaps a little bit like the westbank, with fortification cars, items of car doors and buffers. items, you know, sort of swiss cheese like the westbank robin one continue, continue, contiguous published and you and area. do you think there's anything in that where

do i believe that in this, in yahoo and he's the extreme right when we can government him. they do not look at it and it's what is going on and gaza just in the guise of context. and then is some people on the very right wing discuss resettlement, or is it taking that disengagement of 2000 the 5 back into uh into history. so i mean, you mean some people are saying they will take the palestinians out of gaza or bring back is really settlements inside gaza. increase. bring back is really sacraments. but i think the it says something to, to look at it beyond the context of guns and that is the westbank, the in the extreme right wing. and israel is

a looking at the options to consolidate is a hold of the westbank in its entirety. and then a mix it to is, and for that it needs to take control of the golden valley, the unilateral control of the children valley and anyway, a bit of coal. so the international community refuse is, is this desire. and in a way that if you're busy, a condo is a mini and jordan valley if you want. and if it is where succeeds you in the convincing the americans and others that it needs a quote to do in order to protect israel for the defense of israel. this would be a big step forward in the contestation around the, the occupied territories at large. and i think we need to look at that. let me bring it and just tell us down your view. what would happen if nothing,

you all who signed the c spot deal as it sat stands now, what would happen to his coalition? would it collapse? number one, a number to remind us about the state of those legal cases against nothing. yahoo! what would happen to nothing? yahoo, if he was no longer the prime minister? well, the, the, the cynical is which is not entirely unreasonable, is a, as, as has been decided here is at least one factor and is thinking about is if the word goes on and the circumstances don't arise or bring down the government. if he signed a deal, and israel pulled out of god, a loss of victory celebrations and god, the city. then even if israel got back the hostages, and it's true the is early site, wants the power of officers because they're dying in prison and the tall. but if the house and it's it's, it seems to me the lot impossible, the government really would collapse because there would be tremendous anger on the

part of these rarely far right. and some political calculations by the leaders of the far right that they could do very well in the lunch and, and, and, and moving right along if a new election were held, polls show that it's in the i would lose and lose rather badly. because of the shift that happened as a result of both the very unpopular to do digital reforms, so called traditional reforms and the breakdown of october 7th and everything sense then would that affect his legal cases? if the other is bought earlier in the show, it seems to be suggested that the cases are somehow no longer going on. that i might be resumed to c. c. c thing. that's not true. the cases are going on. but, but here's the state of being prime minister and more over prime minister in the middle of, of the, of, of a tremendously intensive war. does enable him to, uh, to uh, implement various session and again, and delay factors. and that's what he's been doing. he by he has asked the course

to delay his own um, uh, witness testimony and they've agreed and i think that's now set for, for later in the fall, early in the winter. and you can expect more of that. if he's a private citizen, it's quite likely that the case is what's being uh, but you know, the amount of 70 for the justice of this kind. israel is the wielder slow. even if he is convicted there will be a uh, you know, a deal is that, so i don't think the, the case is necessarily the main thing here. what we have is a prime minister, who despite the vehemence of the opposition to which i says at this point is majority position. and, and these are only public, the less have a quite read the base of support. and it also suffers, i believe, from the most classic case i've seen and covering about a 100 countries on the world of the 14th complex, where he really doesn't believe that he's critical to, to the prosecution of events or how one can believe

a given the spectacular failures of the past year and a half or 2 is really something for the psychologist the moment. okay. you'll see that you heard that what dan said, he thinks that nothing you all who would lose if that was election right now. just take the temperature of public opinion on the c spa, how many people support sci fi would you say? and also this issue of the, for the delphi card or where the but it was ready, people stand on that i think that's the photo it need to work with nice defense in the old became a building on these are the society and he just sort of for both of them next that stop everything from changing to see when he goes and he would go, it's one sort of every thing, but it would be a stuff from being able to bins, different disclose 15 days or at least society i think so these are these that i know is mainly about releasing the hostages, says fire, and then populate,

replacing them. it's in your government as you ask earlier and about empathy. unfortunately, there is no much empathy. a folder, if for palestinians there is no task that there is a possibility to move forward as to what the 2 state solution but to building the main. so for one of the most violent episode between days that i can follow stands and as exactly with easily as the policy team has been, says, new, new government, new leadership, new you disclose. you understanding that the only way to move forward is by looking into a 2 state solution in the, in accepting that everyone should have the same allowed at similar, similar human rights believe to collide suvan lights. so some of these are the concepts, the one god said no to pose the effect any more. whether it's the only thing to the for the benefit call, we do a lot. if most of them, i've looked a little bit concerned about that,

but the one getting confused and if i could bring you bring you in at the end you are a former is riley soldier form is ready. the diplomats who resigned because you believe in a 2 state solution, whereas the is right in public on that because i look back in, in the 1990 is off to the lowest level coal. it's about 70 percent of his right. he's supported a 2 state solution where the think us them now and are you rather depressed by the situation? yes, it is quite depressive to be a member of a small minority who uh eh, dp, convinced that is what it is, has taken the wrong path. tragically and it is a competing ways and history that lead us to at that end a we will eventually we will have to have the palestinians get the a right for self determination, money fisted in sovereignty over the online. and the getting rid of these really

donations, all of this will take place. we don't know when and we don't know what the circumstances were. you present in what way the circumstances necessary for that would prevail. but to we had determined to, uh, uh, play whatever humble role in it a to see the transformation it taking place and we will be back to, to, to, to the game. okay. and then finally, you are a former journalist. so i'm going to ask you to make a prediction is doing this often have to do what could change things? walters, netanyahu's biggest vulnerability. briefly please. the biggest, the reality is that the americans live stations and see sending conditions and saves their uh, if you tell what the security council that would be a game changer. i doubt it's gonna happen. certainly not before the selection. quite possibly not even after but, but you never know. the other owner ability is,

you know, life kind of goes on and there are roles in israel. and if he fails to pass a budget, then the government will collapse and it will be elections by march. i believe the 2025 and that actually could happen because of things that have nothing to do the war and have everything to do with israel's other. marriott problems in particular, what to do, but the older orthodox community that refuses to serve in the military and, and presents many, many other challenges this budget thing actually could be that those ex montana that fixes the problem. saying to dan, thank you gentlemen, for joining us on inside story, israel, i guess we're done, perry in line by rogue, and you'll see medical book out as there was coverage of the war on jobs and the situation across the region. continuously around the clock. you can catch the latest on your phone with, all right, well the good having to alger 0 don't com. we want to hear from you to post your comments on our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. or you can use x, y, we are at a j inside story for me,

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