the near impossible personal and political choices of a nobel peace prize winner and his colleagues in the media organizations final days before forwarding silence of kind of refund and the dogs on out to 0. donald trump says no to another debate was coming to harris in the us presidential election. he claim, see one choose days head to head, but fundraisers tell a different story with a deluge of donations for harris the next day. so what's next for both campaigns? this is inside store, the hello, the airline james bays. donald trump says he won't do a 2nd tv debate with camilla harris and the us presidential election campaign planning. he doesn't mean to see one last tuesday's head to head decisively. that's

north of you shed by many independent political commentators and not by campaign donors, either with a wind full going harris's way and the 24 hours off the hotel advised you with trump. presidential elections are a lot more complicated to costs than tv debates, but they're especially important this year with the last one, barry and joe biden's campaign. and the 1st meeting of any time between trump and harris was seen by both kemp's is a critical moment. trumps t. my rolled out to get some of the take away lines such as emma grins, dining on cats and dogs, snatch them that are american, known as a claim widely would have killed since then. harris has poked fun. that drums performance at ho riley's while his side se she's avoiding substance detail. is this a defining week in the election? and will there be a 2nd debate we'll on. so those questions on more with all panel of guess in a moment that says this report from laurel. com us campaign season is in full

swing presidential candidate. comalla harris is in north carolina. and donald trump in arizona. how is increase a slight lead in opinion polls following a debate on choose, say, the money, say she came out as a winner and she wants another show down. i believe we always have another debate because this election and what is at stake. it could not be more important punch. trump ruled the south and said he was the victim. we've done to debate said because they were successful, there will be no 3rd debate we find at the national level that here this isn't the lead relative to trump. but on those 2 fundamentals issues like the economy and inflation,

r trunk ultimately has the leads. in their televised presidential debate on tuesday night, trump had been expected to focus on the democrats track record on immigration, a leading policy, and the trump campaign were brought when questioned. seemed to fall into a trump set by harris on that issue. people started leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and board and why did you try to kill that bill and successfully? so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the board. first, i may respond as to the realize people don't leave my rallies with the biggest rallies. some on list said it was traps like this. the put trump on the back foot, coming across as defensive, annoyed and often unstable women. when trump did mention immigration, he gave an unsubstantiated claim of patient immigrants in springfield, ohio, consuming pets, are eating the dogs, the people that came in there, eating the cat. yet again towards the end of the debate. trump challenge harris on

inflation and to present joy bite. and horace is often criticized but not clearly defining her policies. and she didn't this time, but she did use the moments to learn to punch. clearly i am not jo pine and i am certainly not donald trump. and what i do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country. and she reflected this logan as a rowdy in north carolina. i said it then. i say it now it's time to turn the page or. and although trump's, cats and dogs statements gained much ridicule, he continued down the pool. residents are reporting that the migraines are walking off with the town goose. they taking the goose trump and how i saw almost neck and neck in the race to the white house, with trump turning down and up his face to face. they have until november to entice on the side of bosis, whether it be through policy hype or enthusiasm. on the inside story l to 0,

the well with just the 50 days until election day on november, the 5th. let's discuss all of this without 3 guests today. who are in the us 1st in washington, dc. we have jo malcolm vice president of the institute for constitutional government at the heritage foundation. he's also a former us federal prosecutor in brunswick. andrew language, he's thomas bracket, read profess of government at the don't college. and the washington dc joy cheney political strategist and domestic legal policy x. but thank you all 3 of you for joining us today on the inside story. as we look at where the us election campaign stands, well, we know what donald trump trump says. he says he will not debate on tuesday. joy did he either be american. people have spoken. he definitely did not win. and if he had one, he would be having a 3rd debate. so pick it up for me. um andrew,

um even trumps allies saying that he had a bad night. how bad was it? well i don't think there are many people outside the very enter trump circles who are saying that he won what they're telling him. i'm not sure, but it certainly was not a night where he took advantage of his us opportunities to press home his main points on policies like immigration or the cost of living. he allowed the vice president to define him in some ways, and i think that's going to be, you know, rank, letting him somewhere. and certainly rank link is allies that he did not allow himself to stay on focused. so he was distracted by attacks as we saw in raleigh size, the go to about issues regarding his various criminal and civil trials. uh, january 6th. you know, a lot of the things that were brought up. he didn't really want to answer directly or a double down on positions he's taking that are quite on popular. so i don't think

it helped him very much at all in the wider range of things that said things are very close. john, you are a republican. let's get your view on this and, and where it stands because, i mean, if you just look a few months back, it was, i think, 61 days ago that was, that trump assassination attempt which he survived, which everyone still may have made him unassailable. but then of course, the debate was a press the button bite him pulling out a good convention for combat harris. and now this debate, it's a complete transformation. is it not? yeah, i think that's right. obviously a lot of the stories of unexpected events. campbell harris did not have to run the gauntlet a primary season with debates against her competitors. she's only on one television interview. it was uh with a journalist, elizabeth, finally journalist, and she had to waltz there to help. i will not get inside her to the company ministration. i don't work for the campaign. this may be the one thing to joy and i

agree on during the course of this a meeting, which is i do think the tamela harris got the better of donald trump. during that debate he, you know, he let things get under his skin and he gets distracted and goes off on tangents. and she did a very effective job of poking him and getting under his skin. she of course, didn't answer a lot of the questions from the moderators and 1st moderator asked the question, are you better off in terms of the, you know, you gentlemen, situation that you weren't 4 years ago? didn't answer that. do you believe in any restrictions on abortion? she didn't answer that. the moderators let her get away with that. and sort of donald trump, because he got distracted by these uh, various impacts on him that he felt the need to respond to. i think, i think somewhat to his document, how much of an effect that's going to have on the election. it's very hard to say, because the reality is, is it all of these calls within the margin of error and the entire election is going to come down to what happens in about 6 or 7 states. but andrew, if he says no to another debate, and she wants to know the debate doesn't did in the minds of american people,

make him look like the coward as well to the degree. people are paying attention to that level of detail. um, certainly, i, you know, i wouldn't be shocked. in fact, if he did decide ultimately that he would accept another debate crushingly, of course, because he's not going to conceive that he didn't win the 1st debate. but ultimately, you know, the harris camp wants another debate from camp, maybe needs another debate. i wouldn't be shocked if we saw somebody come around. remember that the former president said he was going to do this debate a while ago. and you know, while he is missing, having a present diagnosis, opponent he is now i think a little we should be at least a little better prepared for another go around with vice president harris. so, you know, i wouldn't say it's necessarily the last word on the subject. john, would you agree with that? depending on what the polls say when we get back to polling on, on, on the outcomes or news outlets. they're getting their news in other ways,

new media ways and she is all over those outlet. so she will do the traditional media. she's been vice president for 40 years. she's done a lot of interviews. so people know that she can do those interviews. she's already done one, it's totally normal to have the vice president, the presidential candidate to an interview together that makes then she'll do others. but more importantly, she's going directly to the voters because ultimately that's what matters. democrats have learned that you can be all over the network news, but at the end of the day, you have to reach consumers where they are and they're not always on those big network news visions, they're actually, you know, paying attention to social media, paying attention to the video that she puts out in gauging with a non traditional media engaging on the campaign trail, we are not doing this. they are not doing this in a traditional way. they are doing it in

a way that they know will be right for this time. and will, when we are not knowing that, as she said, and that means you have to take, take different tactics. so were real thrilled about that. and one thing that john said i want to count her. they said that she didn't answer. you said that she didn't answer questions about the economy. so loosely answered questions about the economy and off watson. she said she supported restoring low, which had some restrictions on, on abortion. so i don't wanna, you know, suggested that she didn't answer those questions. he absolutely did, and you have donald trump, it been smart. he would have doubled it down on the economy. he would have double down on immigration instead of making up other other, you know, going off on a tangent and done. i think you admitted that like the fact of the matter is she answer the question. if you had a 3rd of the baby, she would have an opportunity to even do more of it. but she doesn't have to do it all she can. okay, let me, let me bring you the project so okay, quick, quick, quick quickly, john, go ahead. yeah,

so with all due respect to all of these alternative social media platforms enjoy talked about you don't get as 12 questions by journalists and have to answer them in front of a national audience. and she didn't answer questions. you essentially restore role versus weight. that is not the same thing as answering the question of, do you support any limitations on abortion throughout the 9 months or privacy? she did not answer that question. i'm not really the metal where more years ago than you are now in terms of your pocket book because the users clearly know john, we are absolutely better off that we were 4 years ago at the end, a, in the middle of a pandemic. right? absolutely better off with that to make clear about that and then when is respectful of working, let's be clear. there is no place the full name of you can have an abortion all 9 months in america anywhere pretty well. probably. oh yeah. okay. of that, you're like, oh, you're not true and i know the heritage got all the smart enough to know the oh that you are absolutely wrong, but there are many states that say that the,

that life and health of a mother enables them to have in putting up to live up to birth partial birth abortion, and camera are just going to be phase, right. the mother absolutely cares. and, and i believe donald trump, at this point i believe in a big sections for the health of the mother as well as rape lines. the other yeah, absolutely. we're going your mom. okay. um if i can't remember, i could bring it back in a moment ago. joy was talking about the importance of social media and how that is, how that is now the battle ground. but i think it was stating the debate. i looked up the audience for the debate and it was according to nielsen, which is the writing company to decide who's watching live events on television, $67100000.00 americans watched the debate. that's much bigger than the 51000000,

who watched j biden's disastrous debate with trump. so the live event is still important. isn't it andrew? yes, and i think it is certainly it's important to not only in the live audience, but in the downstream effects. right. the debate gets sort of translated into mainstream media headlines and stories. people may not read those stories in full, but they see the headlines. i get to just make it divide. um, so somebody is important obviously in encouraging the most enthusiastic voters, but not everybody is extremely online. in fact, you know, most americans so hard to imagine from the perspective of political sciences or those are deeply involved in the political process. right. don't pay that much attention to politics. you know, if you look back into the early part of 2024, some large percentage of americans really didn't believe that joe biden. and donald trump were actually the candidates again. and you know, course in job items case,

they turned out to be a rather prescient in that regard. so no, i do think the mainstream media's important is helping to set the agenda. i do think the tone they take, for example, if uh, you know, if there's sort of a widespread belief that the vice president is ducking questions uh, that will play its way out again, sort of downstream and become part of how she's defined. i think that's something she could avoid and probably onto it. so i do think the debates are important. they set this agenda, they, uh they are on the broader impression of the candidates moving forward. but again, does she need another debate? no, but i do think she needs to continue to build on this momentum and probably to, you know, develop, maybe not develop it to express this more specific policy agenda. but in a way that is pretty transparent. and you know, in a way that helps her distinguish yourself from the bottom expression. well, the same time obviously trying to take credit for get sick shipments. this is

always a difficult road for sitting vice presidents of why we haven't elected that many sitting vice president's right after their term. because you're trying to, to walk that brace in line. the very short campaign is probably a help to the vice president disregard john joy earlier on said the trump missed the missed an obvious go on the economy. the other issue was immigration, and that's where harris, which was honest about immigration, decides to swing the, the, the, the, the conversation to his riley's that clearly triggered him. and then you've got something which has had all sorts of names on social media. you've got these comments that you had in our report at the beginning of the program. the 8 thing, the dogs, the 18 cats. i mean, this wasn't all for loan goal. wasn't the john a look i would not have had said that he's been marked for that. i have no idea whether what he said is true or not true. and to me,

that's our only relevant what is completely relevant is the fact that we have a porous border. there been 10000000 at least probably well more than 10000000 illegal immigrants who will come in under the bi inherits administration that does not count the nearly 2000000 or more. uh, gotta weighs people who smoke in or on accounted for offense. what was your making that point, but president trump didn't like that the clearly and he had plenty of time to do so . yes, i agree with that. i think that he had opportunities to pound that. he did it all the points in the debate. he got a little better towards the end, but as i said before, i think you got distracted. and he didn't make these points as clearly when he got distracted because she very successfully baited him didn't she, john? let me give you another example. um, you know, she said that the military leaders said the full, the president was a disgrace, will lead as a last thing of him. and then he quoted vick adult or bob, the prime minister of hungry. now number one, he's very controversial because people say he's all for terry and

a very close to pollutant. but number 2, given the audience in swing states and middle america, how many people in the audience donald trump, was trying to, trying to swing? how many of the ever heard of it to all that? look if you're asking, he did. pamela harris successfully go. donald trump ended to take him down rabbit holes rep that i think you would have been better off avoiding. i think the answer to that is yes. i know the trump campaign doesn't say that, but i agree with that. but there are points that he could make in his favor. he did a little bit better towards the end, but teaching a very effective job of going ahead. and i agreed that he took the day all to often a joy when president biden joy was in the, in the race. a lot of the issues about age is this mine too old to be commander in chief, but trump now is the oldest presidential candidate in us history. he now has that role. do you think that should be more attack of his age and whether trump is

a shop now in these debates as he was 4 years ago or 8 years ago. so he's definitely not as sharp. i'm not in a just, i don't love having that conversation, but it's clear that he's not at the top of the game. what come on here with did was more than just go him. she revealed him to be someone who's willing to use race. right. and xena fabia um the, what, what happened in springfield, let's the, you have an international audience. we have people from all over the world who live in the united states. so if you are a hate should immigrant, those people are afraid in springfield, illinois, there was a law correct in springfield related to donald trump and gave you advances in eroni a claim. the city manager of springfield made clear that there had been no reports . so john, do us a favor, please bass directly. what he's saying is

a lie. there are not animal missing from the streets of this city, and we're not getting that is not something that is happening with in, in this, in the black community. those are very harmful things, and people children are couldn't be fired by those kinds of comments. so she rebuilt them to the person who would do that. john, quick large the deal with that, joe mcdonald, section 10. well, i don't, i don't live in springfield, illinois. i have no idea, however, pamela harris in terms of her record and explain why she has flip flopped on various positions. i've characterized that as a like, and in fact, i would rely on someone who knows are quite well. bernie sanders, who said on meet the process last week, you know why she concerned about her flip flopping all these mysteries? because now i know she's a progressive, she's just saying what she needs to say in order to get elected. there is a lot of dishonesty going on within the harris campaign. sanders is the harris

supporter, but let me just say, you know, moving on as well as dick cheney. so everyone from dick cheney the bernie sanders is for pamela harris. let's be clear about that and don't forget to, okay, the only reason we go to move on because we've, we've running out of time. um, i don't you just give us the, the impact of, of, of a debate like this in the scheme of things because we don't, we've only got 2 months now less than 2 months to election day. there was no big balance in the polling off to the convention, and yet the media said that was almost flawless for harris. so will this make a difference if it doesn't make a difference? what is that out there? are we waiting for an october surprise? what does that route that might change things? well, i think a lot of the results, you know, of the 2024 election have been visible to us for a long time. uh, you know,

america is, let's face it a pulverized place. peoples believes about the political parties and candidates are big deal. normally, debates don't fix things, right? it's, it's rare that they do obviously the debate between a former president trump and president biden, you know, made a big impact. but that is a rarity. is this, i think, was an important debate in that it allowed the vice president to present to ourselves as presidential and as has been noted to try to go to president trump successfully into veering off topic of that said, i don't, i think what we've seen over the really, the last year is a real stability in the former president supports right. and indeed a really remarkable stability in his work. going back to almost 2015, whereas president biden support had fallen off quite a lot, even within the democratic party. that's now bounced back with a new candidate. and so we are seeing a battle really over whether this will be

a replay of 2020, where the democratic party managed to piece together a call wish. and then of course, one naturally, and a lot of key swing states or other will be 2016 where, you know, mr. trump loses the national popular vote, but is able to effectively run the table. uh, you know, brought it inside straight. sorry for the poker reference in terms of winning though swing states naturally enough to get a victory and electro college. we know that that's possible. and okay, what's the trunk joe joel turned on. if i, i could bring you in the trump also, and when things not going his way, he stopped setting people um his campaign team though, but by most of the other, seemed pretty competent, insane. he's now taking advice, particularly from laura luma. a fall right for this class activist who was on his plane sheet, tweeted a and recently about the white house smelling like tare. if harris was elected infant tall and clearly racist. are you worried about the way trump campaign is

being directed and does it need a real reset now? oh, i don't think it's going to be reset it as soon as you wiles and chris lots of data and you know, it is, they are kelly and coffee. where's the money side? because they're him, you know, you know what he does, what he's losing the mike sack them probably hasn't that easy stuff with them so far this campaign and i expect they'll be there at the end of the campaign. i don't know anything about laura boomer. there are always outside hers, some who were quite extreme on the right and on the left we were trying to get to the candidates and sometimes they succeed. but at the moment, his campaign team has been quite steady, and i assume he's going to stick with them for the rest of the campaign. and he has a lot of bread and butter issues to run on the border crime, energy independence, the economy. these are solid issues for him that may take them over the finish line, solid issues that could take him over the finish line, joy quickly from you. what is your biggest fear is a harris support to you know,

well, let me just declare the thing is that it would that you just reference there are racist. and so we can normalize that. and i think donald trump should fire those people. but he seems to be leading and leaning into it. my greatest fear is that here a supporter is donald trump always pulls worse than he actually does in the polls. because so many people are embarrassed to say that they're building for him. now that ought to be a shame that i would be embarrassed about that, but they are embarrassed to say they're ready for him. and so sometimes they don't reflect that vote in the polls. so we're always trying to make sure the parents of a running from behind, right? we have to be way ahead in the polls in order to claim any kind of will you know head when is success, we're going in the right direction. but that's our fear of fear is that, you know, we won't ever be able to really know where we are and we have to be way out in front of me. so the think big my joy, thank you very much. thank you. to lowball guess who joined us today,

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