of financial crisis, you've taken home more than $480000000.00. your companies now bankrupt, our economy is in the state of crisis. i have a very basic question for you. is this fair chunk list people lost at homes in the us alone? but who was held responsible and caused a 1000000 believes that joe, the man who stole the world york's migration dilemma the desk, people risking the dangerous channel crossing from from the u. k. puts more pressure on government's tough border controls are in place. so how now should congress tackle i'm documented, migration, this is inside stored, the loads that are on james bay's. the channel is once again become the site to

a tragedy with more people dying. well, trying to reach you k shows the latest incident highlights and escalating migrant crisis. that's posing a challenge to both french and british authorities as the number of crossing surge . critics highlight the lack of cooperation between countries to address the issue . what would it take to manage the influx of on documented migrants is targeting criminal gangs who organize the risky journeys effective enough, or all governments overlooking deeper systemic issues. we'll explore these questions and more with our panel of guess shortly. but 1st, this report from axle is on the which yet another tragedy in the channel. i think you caring 59 people ran into trouble off the coast of france. so saturday night, the only able to reduce told us high. unfortunately i people died. the boat took to the safe from the area of less select new. the town of them are us not quickly found the south and difficulty. the boat was clearly one of the comments on the

rock is that some booths the narrow stretch of water separating southern england and northern france has become a popular route for dose hoping to make a life in britain. this year alone and more than 21000 people made that dangerous journey. many believe the u. k. offers better chassis for asylum seekers. the 3rd just putting the pressure on both french and british authorities. but so far, the response has focused on dismantling the criminal gangs that organize these risky crossings. human rights groups say safe, legal asylum roots are needed. one of the k ones would be the u. k has a border actually in france and it should be allowing people to seek asylum at that border in france to allow them to safely travel to the u. k. secondly, it would look like expanding family reunification. many of the individuals who are getting on these flimsy boards actually have family ties in the u. k. it could also look like work and study visas for people around the world. the u. k is approach

has changed in recent months. the previous government had proposed the controversial plan to the port on documented migrants in refugees to rewind it was scrapped by them. you would ministration lead by prime minister. your star downing street has hinted to another policies under discussion one day with the mirror. the approach taken by italy, the following controversial deals with denise and libya, italy has recorded the 62 percent dropping on documented migrants this year. prime minister, georgia maloney has also signed a 5 year multi $1000000.00 agreement with the pena to process up to $36000.00 asylum seekers annually from countries. italy deemed safe. the migration crisis is a new dates back to 2015, when more than a 1000000 of refugees in migrants entered to europe. it exposed the deep divisions

within the u. some countries welcome to asylum seekers, while others close their borders and tested the blocks solidarity. as we through approaches in another hemisphere and see conditions worse than concerns are growing without significant policy changes. tragedies like this one will only become more frequent access. i'm gonna reach out to 0 for insights story while now joining discussion today on the inside story we have from funding. i'm none of those to go now professor of international migration and force displacement at the university of dunning. i'm in london. rubbish on. raw ho, messiah out communications director of the charity joint council for the welfare of immigrants and, and bristol, yeah, show mechanic co, the co president of neutral to europe. europe,

africa network focuses on the consequences of migration policies. so thank you. all 3 of you for joining us today on inside story. yeah. so again, a tragic incident in that the world's busy is more to way that the u. k. coasts, english channel. the french cool lot most. it's at it show this point just study to columbus is across rubbish on the fact. but now we've seen more people died this time 8 die. another incident just a couple of weeks ago to us this year, 12 died, 6 of them children and a pregnant women. this is tragic that this keeps going on like this. yeah, it's a domestic tragedy and is a stain on the reputation of the u. k. that this is allowed to happen. you know, previous the previous government massively failed in looking off to people who are trying to caustic channel. i'm just calling government again with their policies are committed, tries ation. can i make the same mistakes? we know that moving, trying borders,

the secure people that provide safety to people. it only makes that journeys. honda, as he said, the channel was one of the busiest crossing lanes in the world. we expecting all with forcing people to close that channel in small things without pride of providing them safe for it is a massive prodigy. but most importantly, it's unavoidable tragedy that the tragedy lives at the foot of the government and their policies, which fame to protect people, to seeking safety in our country. yeah, so we'll get to the root causes of the problem and how we can solve them later in the program. but do you think there's anything more that could be done just in terms of, of results is in the english channel on both sides taught, trying to rescue these people and the text these people. i don't think it's an issue of the amounts of resources that are being invested. it's more an issue of what the perspectives of problems being seen us because we thought the

attempts to create some viable ways in which people can reach the u. k. the crossings are going to continue, and that's the main issue because trying to focus attention on the smuggling guns type. so way attention from the fact that the smoking guides only exist because of this, prohibition isn't in the migration policy feels. i mean, i think, you know, there was a proposal from the few weeks ago from the french government to have this item adjudication in products which the u. k. is currency, the refusing to concentrate. and, but the idea in general, as well as in the channel, is a new look at the way in which migration is managed. migration management, split print that is being set top. so lots of money is being spent from texas being

involved, but it's still continues to have the same the same kind of uh, outlook which is about from sending the possibilities for the states to kind of control migration the just to be good to all of us like from, from texas, the use of border control agency, if i can tend to, you know, before we expand it to, to that situation across europe. just staying with the u. k. in terms of these crossings. is the situation getting worse in terms of the numbers of people that are coming and taking this very treacherous journey across the channel? i think the z a, the see use the last step that we are still on a similar trend then. uh, last year in uh to your single we had to be quite over 40 uh, 45000 people crossing at one year alone. so 2022, but that was a specific circumstance as back to the that was due with the arrival the mass of

people from i've been here and oh, really with the issues and not government. basically they start to develop that partnership with those dana that that drastically reduce that specific as migration flu in terms of the what does change though, in the last 40 years since we started to really to, to see this phenomenon of the regular crossing in the, in the channel is in the way the infrastructure of the, of this crossing. just to give you an example in 2021. we have about 28000 arrival of the people that with the tech to the after the crossing into due case in about 1030 both to these means that each both at about 25.6 people. what do we see now in the last couple of years that each volt that arrives as on average, about $5052.00 people? well, what this tell us is that we're going towards a more organized, a movement form of movement where basically they are the, the volt, uh,

a be good old, a multiple outputs don't it. but basically also means that there is a much larger uh economy around it. because obvious in each of both the brings more money to those well facilitating the crossing. okay? rubbish out. and if i can come to you, these people are in front, which is a prosperous country. why do they want to go to the u. k, rather than stay in fronts number one. and what are the main countries where people are coming from in terms of those to the making this, this crossing a while ago we found with our clients that, you know, lot of the people that come to this country. they come here because they have a shed language, which is english even they have family here and they want to really not for them. and we know that, you know, many people that come to this country have a history when the u. k. whether that's because there's a colonial ties of the empire or the language that was spread around the world.

well, so you know, we, we are an economy that shouldn't be able to take on these people. that's one thing we have to remember. so you know, when, when our clients come here, we have to be welcoming them and we found some, many of our clients are coming from countries ask, and it's done when we did a migrant crossings by the chance. so we know that people from us kind of started the represent it also what they are they that rubbish out. how they are they the top one that's got us down at the moment from the figures you have to kind of turn on. but one thing that's really important that we should really talk about today is that it's only been by the home of the statistics. one ukrainian national, that has ever been detected across from the channel since the rule in ukraine and russia. so that's a really interesting stop because we'll, that shows is the ukraine reset, touch screen of the parent and on the screen that the government set top was really successful in meaning that new training it didn't have to cross. the child didn't have to take tractors, routes, and pass kind of studies, syrians,

other nationals of countries across the world should be a 40 that same right, that same humanitarian right that we gave to you praying and okay, the rubbish sounds good. let me just stay with you and on, on the, on the guns you say the probably the number one. i mean, that is very interesting, isn't it? given the u. k. 's involvement in afghanistan for so many years, having his military, the enough kind of stone and the time about wouldn't be taking power again. if the u. k. along with all the nato countries haven't pulled out of afghanistan in the you. k has positive involved lindsey nicole is here, does it not definitely we have a massive involved in the tools. ready can place it in the movement of these people in the force moving to these people. and we have a mo gigi to these people. are many people across the world to welcome them and to if we believe we are a leader of human rights and a leader in japan, as having quoted as we should be starting on welcoming those people whose lives,

frankly, we have to want to pop by the legal invasions across the well, one of our clients who came from off got his done, got to take a treacherous journey. he had to go through iran to keep greece. and then virus moved both, both across the channel to variety. he was brought to the refugee status by the way of combining team. so imagine some of the allowed to remain in this country because of the ones that we've created. and we need to really, instead of thinking about stopping to buy this and stuck in the games, we need to be thinking about how we fulfill all g t in the world. okay, 9 the i'd like you to pick up on, on the ukraine, the pulse of this that you had rubbish on. mention that because it seems the ukrainians are being dealt with completely differently from every other country. and that's, that's, that's true. and this is actually a very important point for us to, to bear in mind. so the idea is that if i go to the crossing only to because they don't know often i think for some nationality. so just to, if we look at,

for example, the country we've got a gun instead of going to be a non, because you're on the cd a and then we go to the holding of off it goes down every 3. i'm of the biggest content the last few years, the defined data. so it's, that's what the other thing and then that is that you mentioned 1st of the front side is the recently, it was mentioning the interface before the front of the reasons the also the possibility for both of them assessment to be done in that category for people then to travel to do okay, but that's, that has been, uh do you can go, i'm just not happy with that. these are these purple so recently the, the okay, yeah, the lead but allies access to these are for some countries, particularly in the south of asia and with this nice ational summit. but for example, we are seeing that the number of indian national people from a city land got in the bundle dish, to updating the largest number, not, not huge number of a larger number than the past and just items that the 6 the point is that this national, not among those of why you find on the crossing. so in many ways these are the people that have actually say fruits to do k and then they can apply for us. i saw

them to present the best case that has to be assessed by what the government is trying to do is actually and to the to, to start to disclose. so rather than while they're saying that they want to appear to see from the group to, for people to claim asylum. and then basically would be like a nice has that introduced if, if they, they can demonstrate it. when you try to do is actually during both the visa on those national have you got the control that then apply for for visa, florida? solomon. so that that kind of lies them to. yeah, sure. i think it's what assessed briefly looking at what the u. k. government was doing until a few months ago because a bar is johnson introduced the scheme in 2022 and it was taken out by wishy soon act when he became prime minister. the plan apparently was to send plenty of these people to lawanda to effectively to pull them through under that scheme. as i understand that cost $918.00. ready $1000000.00. um

just give us your assessment of the success of that project. yeah, i mean it was the major gated disaster and stuck could've been uh, deducted from the stock because there were a series of legal requirements which were on like, so you to be mad at, in the end the governments to try to me didn't buy a single that regardless of uh, any considerations or what the situation was on the ground rewind had to be considered safe by decree, which wasn't the case, but nonetheless, the houses apartments, apartments that so uh, it puts, uh, a problematic us experiments from the points of view of costs and the u. k. costs eventually kind of said that's this is not a case of burden sharing, but of garden shifting from red. sure. so that's well the countries as that on

top of that the legal requirements for not being met. so that was an mitigated disaster. and it was predictable. okay, well, the, that, that what that plan was tool not by the new prime minister care stomach on that one . that was one of his day one announcements. and he was ending, that's a policy rubbish i'm. let's look at what he's going to do. instead, he said he's going to set up a new border security. come on, bring in the board or force officials, the police, and the intelligence agencies. i mean, my question is what those people already working close together and is what you've got now previously, the slogan was stopped the boats. now the slogan is, smash the gangs. is there any substance or is it just a new slogan? yeah, i mean, to me, it looks like as multiple points corporate again, most logan's, you know, we know what the real estate. ready auction to this so the problem is we think solve tasha. they already it's providing safe products for you. all of these games

that we did for the trainings in, in the russian, off the russian invasion. we know that moment and tries ation of more 4 to 6. ready t, one loan lead to more tests and the channel, you know, the kids dollars taking may be, you know, strong on the language. it may be a type of online politics that he wants to, you know, show to some people in this country and prove that he's going to be tough of migration. but the fact is, is not going to solve. the problem is not going to the costa. so can ensure that people seeking safety are able to come to this country in a safe way is going to need to more. this is going to ensure that people continues to take countries. chinese, we have to remember that entire and policies also called the tax policies of the last government, which are that are aligned to scheme, the still kind putting people on a barge and so on will seem to fail. they are massive stages and it looks like he's found ways continuing on that real estate. yeah. and the real human cost,

what would be thought by stone or his eyes, and we felt by those people that are taking these treacherous routes. so we have to have some common sense in this politics and put humanity at the center, and that humanity needs to mean that we offer people safe groups immediately. okay . i know if i can ask you about the political context of this. you might think the key a stomach could do what do you want? so you had a land slide when on july, the 4th, but also in august we had riots shots the u. k. can he politically think just do what is the best policy here, or is he go to take account of a public opinion? and this is a very emotive issue. it's a, it's a very multiple shows, especially if, because that's been very much pushed, especially before the election bias specific sets of political and dropping their all thought right forces. but that really wanted to gain the electrical gate now towards i. we've seen it in the past. so really with the breakfast that i find the

mile much the migration shoes that can be politicized for other purposes. the one the plan was never meant to work. and this is actually why it just the, just a month before the election, even the primary set aside to lower the if we, i, we make a and then we open uh open up that they'll see it otherwise doesn't matter. so in many ways we, we, it was clear, there was no somebody that was meant to work in valuable sunday. that was that also to see know something else which was a dirty positioning of the old pretending to do, you know, the relationship with the former colonies with a call mobile tech cetera. the, the, the outlet to the only success that the success, any of us to call my back in terms of reducing the irregular crossing that uh, so not head one was obviously for the introduction of the schemes like the one for i'm going to are sold one for the convenience because there was no need for them to cross in the sea. and yet it was for the ext, adding strong relationship with france. i was trying to rebuild the relationship with ross of which has been completely and a body decides by the biggest uh,

governmental bodies, jones that 1st that so what somebody is doing is trying to reconnect with europe and using because of the migration issues as a to to 40 connect thing, so it's actually the opposite. the breakfast deals i've done in the last few years . the point is that, you know, the is, you know, this game playing, those old software actually though, so we need to the production of the, the, the, the weakest and the forest and one that cross and risk of that life to. yes. so we heard that he's planning to reconnect with europe on this issue. even if there's no way he says that the u. k. will. busy going to rejoin the european union and part of that is stomach going on a trip to italy and his italian counterpart, georgia. maloney, perhaps politically very, very different from him. she has roots apart. he has roots in no fascism yet. she, according to the eu, has the solution to the problem is 64 percent drop in those mating crossings from

north africa to italy. so far this year, do you think the italian solution is the way forward? you know, the silence solution is the, is not the way out of the problem. and this was shown particularly this weekend when the former inter administer saw the was the, the, the project using magistrates asked for 6 and a half years. imprisonment for the administer the cause of some decisive tactics which were employed into 5 of 19 not the whole, the tyrants and the m. externalization. all migration policy efforts to north africa in particular, hass empowered the libyan coast guard to carry out to takeover. in fact, search and rescue duties from european naval assets and that has been project,

but from the point of view that cent fee. but also from the point of view r e u e u member states, kinds of violating the rule of law as in the framework of international law in quite a massive way. because libya has been assigned a source of which is a search and rescue that under the united nations international maritime organization system for safety, blanket, etc. and basically, it's upside because search and rescue the areas that presume that there is a safe form in which people can be doesn't box after rescues. i mean, libya, you to the conditions in the direction sensors that doesn't exist. at the same time in libya, there is no government which is in control of the whole country. so they don't even have a maritime rescue for the nation sensor. ok, read the rubbish

a rubbish. and if i could bring it to you, libya but also to news. yeah. the you is paid a lot of money to a to easier recently to boost at security. italy is also done the same. and yet to news, here is a country where the president is accused of authoritarian behavior and human rights abuses. yeah, i think, you know, we need to really be careful, especially from a u. k. perspective. we need to be careful with how close case tom wants to follow a lot of these pos, you know, offshoring of human rights responsibilities, and no more responsibility to the international responsibilities, to provide sentry to people who are moving or not forced to leave the rooms off. shore and that responsibility puts you in great danger because who are you are showing that responsibility to we've already been been down that road with the wind, the scheme. we've already seen how dangerous that can be to be sending both to the

supposedly sending people, many of our clients, again, bring it back to the humans in this story. many of our kinds horrified by the so we're going to the wind, a country that had no knowledge of a country they had never intended to going to they had, they were terrified. they didn't know what they were going to find when they go through a lender and we have a responsibility case stall, as the prime minister of the united kingdom has a responsibility. shacking responsibility like me. and he has done by moving it for me to check in to genuity. i left the us doing the same with the proposed to do without being yeah. would be a massive mistake. and we, we have to avoid who costs a non though. i mean, we have people, many of these people who are fleeing a pulling things and their own countries. i'm a situation one things is only going to get worse. and i'm thinking particularly about the war and sit on of the word sort out in the week. we got the tension of rising between $83.00 uh, uh, and uh, and so done and uh in the, in the region. so if you look at the candidates,

the people are coming from very much from a to is which are stable as stable and at risk of conflict or whether the significant human rights violation of all people travel. all people please depends on what to opportunities are available for them. obviously they would go for the safest, available for the one they can afford. but there are some nationality in the world for them, for which there are no way. oh no safe way to find the protection in in this country. i think the same population of us donald, but a follow up for maloney is also a part of the political risk is almost but adults, i mean we all the plan that is put in place and the relationship with the countries in north africa and being challenged in the in cost annually, and that'll be the soonest acquisition of the human rights violation that i see almost $5.00 to go, that someone will come from the ground as the human rights lawyer to basically end up building a closer relationship with the government. the like the detailing one. and the

other thing i find also warning is that while the government is dropped at the one, the plan resent that we have that the gentleman, the government is conceded. and that by having the, the, the one, the 1st day of it is from new case for actually doing golf, shorting update or something, because that, that's also streaming the warning. i thank you very much. indeed. thank you to all 3 of our guests today. 9, but 9, those to go to rubbish. i'm ra, hold up messiah and yes, you and we kind of co, if you missed any part of our program, you can always go back and watch it again. any time if you want it out, is there a dot com, you have comments, contributions, even complaints, post them on facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. alternatively, you can press on x web at a j inside story from the james page and the production team here. please stay safe bye for now. the a legally pass barge. you can cook and this is

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