[000:00:00;00] the the one single venue is good to have you with this good, special breaking news coverage of the attacks in 11 on the seller. the more than a 1000 people have been injured. many of the members of his belong to their communication devices exploded. single, excuse me, the injured had been taken to local hospitals living owns health ministry appeals to all citizens. to avoid using communications agents. straight to that braking use coverage of the attacks and living on where more than

a 1000 people have been injured. have to hundreds of personal communication devices, exploded single tenuously across the country is believe most of the pages were being carried by members of hezbollah. the, at the supermarket, a man is picking fruit and vegetables. when his device explodes, fellow shoppers run from the scene and appear to hold their ears and pain from the loud explosion. that security camera footage shows that other man's device exploding in his pocket at a sharp checkout. to staff members are hit by debris and run away from the counter as the law has called it. one of the biggest security breaches since the group was formed. emergency departments have been inundated with injured has blown members and civilians. local media reports say the pagers singleton you see exploded across the country after being hacked by israel. the health industry has appealed to all citizens who own pagers to dispose of them. several shots,

the witnesses have been wanting others to get rid of their pages. the jazz, the page devices that we've been using, all of them are exploding in the guys. we're moving for the engine. all are going to the hospital especially. we don't have room anymore in the hospitals. there's more than $400.00 men here. there peters exploded the ones they use for communication. these a big assassination? big assassination. let's get the latest on this with the houses here was an, a hoarder who's joining us live from the 11 east capital. they were saying there's so many things to ask you. we're still very early on, we learned about the all of this really starting to get a clearer picture of what's been happening over the last hour and a half. first of all, what's it like in the streets of berry for you? the answer it is here, the ambulance we've been hearing this 2 hours. i'm doing this is making their way to the hospitals across the capital,

not just. and they roots in the south of the country as well as in, as well as in the east of the country. like you mentioned, simultaneous and coordinated explosions of pagers more than 1200 people have been injured. many of them are believed to be members of has the law. the liberties arms is a major security breach. the biggest, a security breach of israel has not claimed responsibilities, but 11 non officials as well as you know, people are leaving israel for this. what they are calling this a task. so there's a lot of hospitals are overwhelmed. lebanon's house ministry called on all the doctors and nurses to, to head to the hospitals, to help the wounded because we live in on hospitals are, are under strain. this is a country which, you know, the economy has all but collapse of states which is nearly bankrupting and covers

population because they lost their lives savings in fact. so this is the cut this country really, the people have faced multiple crises. and then now this already people have been living in seer and seats over the past 11 months because of the ongoing confrontations between israel and house below which have been larger. but this really is a serious incidence of a major, a major inter methics development. that is causing a lot of concerns on what will happen next and what is wrong when you don't have to do this operation zane. and we're looking at some of the footage that has come into us and we're seeing some terrible injuries. we're seeing also top right corner of our screen, people for streaming into medical centers and hospitals. as you said, level known as a country that was already under resource,

as it is. do you know what the situation is like in the hospitals right now as well? doctors and nurses are overwhelmed. they are calling for blood donations. it's, it's, this is not, this is a mass casualty event. you're talking about what we are seeing from videos that have been posted online is that people have insurance and their legs to their arms to their face. and so this is not going to be an easy for, for hospitals to, to handle, especially because of the crisis of many doctors and nurses have left the country. so it's the health ministry calling on health workers to, to, to headsets. it's a different medical center. even telling patients who are supposed to come for, for checkups or to carry out tests not to show up because they cannot handle, they cannot handle the situation. so there is a lot of chaos. there's a lot of concern and people are asking whether or not, you know, is this what,

what, what many here are calling is this at the top that, that is going to pave the way for a major escalation. and that is what is causing concern. they don't know what motives are they trying to disrupt the principle of hezbollah by designating these pictures. so a lot of questions and the, the concern and fear zayna. this is something i wanted to ask you about. and by the way, for yours top right of your screen is a live feed of the american university of favorite medical center. and you can see the activity there and people coming in, um it is. and i wanted to ask you about the method, right? features exploding across the country. you said 1200 people had been injured. i don't know if people had been killed in this attack. you are endlessly for us examining. the mess is the israel and it has block. choose to fight each other,

assuming this is israel. what are your really opposite of ations on the methods of this attack using pagers in what appeared to be and causing serious injuries, but not it seems that many debts for the moment as well. yes. your rights there have been no reports have been injured. now. menu shop really describes the ongoing confrontation between israel and has the law as an intelligence for israel has a superior technology. they have superior intelligence capability, and they've shown, and they've used that they, they have carried out near daily assassination pinpoint strikes, whether they should be a motorcycle, they've even to senior commanders senior field commanders in the south of the country. and they,

they pinpoint their location. they have even killed the chief of staff of tests the last in a surgical strike in the hearts of a root a few weeks ago. so israel has these intelligence capabilities and has full on those dots a few months ago as well as the secretary general happened the stroller and one of his speeches, he addressed his fighters along the front lines and he told them, stop using your phones. stop using smartphones. israel is low, key thing is it knows where you are through it is through these phones. if, for example, if a fighter dies, do not call his family to ask about him or to report his desk because as round knows that you are a member of his below or where you are. it's details like this. this is what they have has to deal with. so with these, you know, intelligence capability, it is quite difficult because of the intelligence that as well has they've even shipped, uh, you know, and,

and targets hezbollah members across the border in syria. we cannot forget that as well. so they do have a bank of targets. they have a lots of information. so how's the weather telling? gibbs fighters and its members do not use your phone sports a, you know, don't, don't use internet in the south of the country or connect them to cc to your cctv. because as well is able to download information. so this is a very much an intelligence for it is what we have been witnessing and recent months. well, that's really interesting. hezbollah was already in a run up to this attack, worried about his communications network, which now very clearly has been hit on the larger scale zayna holder. thank you very much. we will continue to come back to you. any major developments on your end . you let us know, and we'll be right with you. also letting our viewers know that in some 20 minutes from now, we do believe that the lebanese foreign ministry will be speaking will be listening to that attentively. i beg your pardon,

the health ministry will be speaking. let's bring in honda. so who's now? who's with us live from the jordanian capital? i'm on reminder, we're reporting on israel from amman because these really government has banned out as you are from affording inside. israel summed up, is realized, believe to be behind these attacks, as below has accused israel. what has israel said of the whole israel has said nothing up. there has been one has pointed the finger at israel after several of these pager devices exploded, injuring more than 1200 people. according to our colleagues, dana, for the 11 non bull, it's talking about what is really media is saying, while there's been no official response from these really, governments is really media's reporting, slighting anonymous officials, of course, that these really prime minister has given a directive to members of his government to cabinets and other ministers now to speak about the situation now and to give interviews and not to consult anyone

about the events that have just taken place 11 on. additionally, homefront command in israel has now advised mayors of areas, cities and settlements in the northern part of the country to prepare perhaps for some sort of escalation on israel's northern border. but there hasn't been a change in any sort of security guidelines at this hour. but all of this comes up for these really prime minister held a quite a dramatic meeting. and israel's defense ministry, known as the key dion last night to discuss the issue on the northern border, specifically thing. but israel has now added a 4th objective of the war. previously there were 3 and they all related to israel for on guns up to this is the 1st time that there has been a directive from the prime minister that one of the goals of the war is in fact to deal with this threat on the northern border we've been hearing for months from is really officials from the defense minister, the army chief of staff and the prime minister himself. but they are not afraid to quote turn they do into

a 2nd concepts think that they are prepared for any sort of scenario prepared to launch an offensive. if that's what it means prepared. some ministers want even an occupation of southern 11 on so there is a lot of disagreements on how exactly israel should deal with the issue on it's northern border. and it's actually causing a lot of chaos in been human netanyahu's government. but it is seeming that all signs are pointing to this being and is really attacked. but of course there has been no comment for me is really government whatsoever. and i want to make sure that i understand what you're saying. um, i'm looking at the same statements that you're referring to there on x from the prime minister's office, and there are 2 tweets from 10 respectively. 10 and 20 hours ago, where he says we're expanding the goals of the war to include now returning residents of the nor of northern israel, securely to their homes. and i will, at this point remind her of yours, that there are tens of thousands of his release come and who normally live in northern israel,

who were displaced after the gods and war began. and has the law started regularly on a daily basis, firing rockets from 711 on into as well. so those tens of thousands of people have been displaced. they haven't been able for most of them to go back to their regular lives. since the beginning of the war and there's the mirror image, same thing is happening in 711 on was tens of thousands of lebanese, displaced from 711 on. so that is a reality has been the case for almost a year. and bear with me 2nd statement from coming from benjamin netanyahu. his office is it's not to be possible to quote, direct quote, to return our residence, to northern israel without a fundamental change in the security situation in the north. i mean, doesn't this clearly mean that israel is going to ramp up it's military offensive and level well, that's what all signs have been pointing towards these. evacuations in the towns and settlements in the north have been again, a point of contention between these really public,

these really governments of people who are in charge of those areas. because israel has not, according to local officials, not been dealing with this threat. accordingly. benjamin netanyahu has been add ons with his own defense minister about what to do next, but the policy for israel up until this point has been that they're prepared for a wide variety of scenarios. and you have to remember that the war is in, it's 12 months in just a couple of weeks time. it will be the one year mark since israel's war on garza began. and also since the cross border fire in the north, which is bolo started as well. so there hasn't really been a planned by israel on how to come about what's going on on it's northern borders. but rather, these official rules of engagement that are on spoken between israel and his ball. uh, but according to his really officials, the security meeting that took place last night with his really visual re, security cabinet was quite dramatic. saying that something else needs to be done,

but this is now important enough to the prime minister to be a goal of the or where it was sort of a separate issue. and remember that these really army is so far overstretched because of nearly one year of the war on god that'd be continue, was raised in the west bank and dealing with the issue on the northern border. so there hasn't been a full scale war. all of these rules allies, including the united states, has been publicly and privately pushing these really not to escalate the conflict. not to do something that would spark a wider regional war or something that could spill over into many other countries. something that is real perhaps wouldn't be able to contain. so there are a lot of moving parts here, but what came out of that meeting last night was that israel is ready to deal with the issue on it's northern border a little bit differently. okay, how does so who thank you very much for all that reporting all that context coming out of amman, jordan and social 0 is from the self who is the same? what we're bringing?

our next guest is 15 minutes past 1500 g m t. if you're just joining us, you are watching the immediate aftermath of what appears to be a what is a large scale attack on 11 on that can at this early stage, only being referred to accurately as a pager attack. the communications devices of many people across us 11 nod, suddenly exploded. it appears, civil tenuously pagers exploded and so people had them in their hands. people had to have them on them in their clothes. and that means over a 1000 people. that's an example of a security, a big important at a supermarket there. and the next one will show what happened to us at a shop. and people are being rushed to hospitals across the country, which is why in the top right of your screen, you're seeing a live feed of the medical center, the american university. if they were, let's bring in and in the center of your screen,

you're seeing the kind of injuries. somebody clearly lost his fingers at the kind of injuries that that attack has caused the spring. and so he to study professor of political economy at their own university and political commentator joining us now from the uranium capital different. i wanted your early reaction to what you're seeing 1st of all, thank you very much for having me. and the 2nd leave seems that these are, these are introducing a brand new category of terrorism. i prefer it's called i c, a call. it's $550.00 tourism or take the logical terrorism to attack and mass murder and mass in jersey, ordinary citizens. so you're in there and this killing machine is supposed to be kept on by the, by the duties in complete silence. that's why they are targeting pagers and their that's why they have found out you 0 from the occupied territories. that's why they have killed tens of reporters and attack monsters. but say this,

but it's still the thing is that the room is watching this on believe, believe holding block, shipped by these really 4 forces. and this systematic the war against the magnitude actually has lated beer lated beer to choose about the bar back nature of the is really regina. i think by keeping on this, this climax scenario is the leaves are trying to keep throwing caution to the wind and not stop this madly insatiable desire to expand about also seeing the fact that there is that where you want to go. where do you think israel's goal is to expand the war? and if so, expand it to where just living on or brought it and level, or i do not solely convinced that this is sort of ultimate targets of these really is to bring as many players as possible. answer this 5 out of both demand with his dad. they have sort of last of our and god about before past months is they are fighting with a live be. they grew up with

a limited access to the veterinary and they have not been able to with that's why to cover offices here to this catastrophic failure. now is really for his idea of this calling yourself one of the biggest, most powerful of force in the world. so with fox, a claim now they have faced it after for that purpose. and they are trying to bring as many other players, apple, people into this path about that. but i told you earlier, and there's also one other reason. now they're doing the attention from the, with, with the rush or your brain bar. i'm going now part of the institution has been directed to you. right? and now is this arch, sorry, graph to support from the united states or with that? i think you or is this the cards that are moving along is direct to this complicated situation. i think the scenario is going to for the benefit of

did really okay. um, i think when one could also argue the israel has had a lot of attention from the west uh, despite the ongoing war and ukraine. how is it, ron? going to look at this, right. how's the leadership intent, ron? going to look at this because of course they are close allies of hezbollah and the way israel sees it, iran is their arch enemy, and his blog as well as other groups across the region are just doing it, runs bidding. that's the way as well. looks at the news, i think from the nation on some us neither saw the how the hurrying, be rude to the mission of ministry advisors to advancing savvy in damascus to the cyber attacks. a new rod to the mission arcadia into ron view, that there was a long list, indicating berries prior to that is the, these are trying to fuel these tensions. bucks from the side we have to run. if

player dies flies to avoid this direct innovation. dr. com for the patients and sees it as it was on bulk of scenario on the table. given the fact that it's most of the risk of driving the entire waste stage and you have a blessed a whole lot more scenario, which is not for the benefit of any player, i think. yeah, for trying to practice a sort of the strategist, patients. you all have getting prepared for and retaliate, reaction after need access nation up. any of these, this is something that you know about by the still can station. and the strategy precision is, is the key term here. you rock tries to retaliate to the way that there's lots of on the risk of ending fire lots more scenario. and the ultimate objective said the whole thing. because for a 2nd i want to make sure that i understand what you're saying. is it fair to say that in your view, what we're seeing unfold now in lebanon, and this large scale attack on me, a rainy, an ally that is, has belong, in your view,

will not directly move the needle with iraq. it's not going to cause iran to say retaliate or strike israel any differently than it might otherwise do well, yes and no. yes, because of the fact that you're wrong, you're trying to uh, practice. this patient is drafted to let's say, consideration when it comes to. let's say coming back to 0, it needs to be the retaliation. but on the other hand, no, because of the fact that the know that these patients have certainly got a limit. we know that this target to of the country has been under attack after this. let's say access nation of any on to ron and then there is this emphasis from the supreme leader of the cartridge the that the rod is going to retaliate. but at the same time, i think seeing the very fact that these, the situation is quite finishes and there is going to be

a risk of higher tension. just in case of any miscalculation you all can see there's a, these factors and actors, the wrong price. it provides a coordinated answer. iran tries to provide a sort of distracted you guys are. that's why we see this part of the part of the very thing. and then the 2nd point is that we have to start a logical operation after this, as, as nation to place, you know, that is really the chief are being kept waiting for the uranium retaliates reaction . just back in part of your, in your scenario to keep it waiting for, for a certain amount of time to, to continue to dislike allows the bar. but it's still there. is this in depth understanding it's a ron and that is really madness to be stopped at some points. so there is this long standing that is the last act. there's going to be a continuation of this long list of, of functional saw behaviors. 5 is really the game around. so he decided professor

of political economy at jefferson university. thank you very much for joining us, this our analysis 0. as we continue to watch the live footage, top right of your screen of the medical center at the american university of a root. as you see it's packed. and people are either coming to carry the victims of this large scale attack or coming to check on their relatives in the center of your screen. you can see what that looks like. this is the immediate aftermath of the one victim of this page are attack again, pagers explode in people's hands and pockets across the country. single tenuously. that's what it looked like when it happened in a supermarket. i believe that was in the root, and at least 1200 people have been injured with has block calling this one of the biggest security and communications failures in his history. let's bring in html holes in a political commentator and writer you are joining us from bay route i. i wanted

your thoughts on what this means for his blog. well, i mean uh, obviously the 1st uh thing that's gonna happen is a review of the communication strategy. and that's uh, that's a given of course. there's a major beach and uh they will have to review that now as far as the, or the, i'm sorry to jump in so quickly, but the, are their communications down right now, if all pages have been compromised, and they've either exploded or been discarded, does that mean that you, that you have a big parts of the hezbollah network that cannot communicate with one another, or is that overstating it? uh no, no, that silver state thing of the gods 1st. uh, i mean they have uh, alternative communication channels. uh they have uh uh, their own. uh, i mean if you go back to 2008, there was an issue 11 on the back then when the, the government tried to interfere with their internal communications. that's

been wired to communication network. so no, this is just one part of the page. there's are just one part of the communication network and, and if we're looking at the number itself, uh, the insurance and, and it's also important to us uh, point out that this, they're not all has, but a lot of fighters that were injured there are. and this and people are, this is the oh, you know, explains the station video that we were watching, right? because we saw somebody's pager explode in their pocket when they were a grocery shopping. and we saw children and families, elderly people around when that happened there that i got to it. so uh, before i walked in, uh we had the 3 confirmed this and the one of them was a little girl. so yes, of course, this is animal wide spread the or a wide scale, the terrorist attack basically on the civilian population. so this is, let's call it as it is. but uh, but yeah,

even if we go and assume that or the injuries and when we're talking about $10.00 to $1200.00, the interviews are right though. i heard you say that the make this number. and then that's not really. and they're mostly mind. they're interviews, they're not really the, the, the effect, the military and power or capabilities. so what do you make of that one? they refuse to this? why choose this method? because it's something that i put to our correspond it, right? saying a order. one thing that is immediately noticeable about this method is how, how vast it is, how many people it hit at the same time, but it was but, but there are very few fatalities you just said 3, which is news to me. and that's something we're going to seek to confirm. um, but that was the based on the statement that was issued by uh, as well, uh, a few minutes ago so that okay, i'm seeing it. yeah. but here's the last thing. 33 people killed, but that, but, but, but my question is, what is this method of attack tell you one that yes,

injures people. manes people but actually kills very few people really, relatively speaking. uh well i just, uh i'm gonna borrow uh a quote from uh, uh, edward snowden, he just weekends that he hopes that this is the supply chain breeds and not the alternative because uh, it would be very cynical. so to, to think of why would any one or do such a, an indiscriminate a wide scale attack on anybody carrying a communication device. i mean, this was the pages, but it could uh, might as well be telephones or might as well be and this is a very scary thoughts. and if that, if that's something that can be done on a wide scale, i guess the population. so this is definitely, why did they do it? uh, well you have to, i think they've just wanted to afflict some muscles and the show that they are

capable of doing it. but as i mentioned earlier, it's kind of shows also bits of desperation because it does not have any military goals. yeah, sorry i was because you, you, you say you think israel, one of the flex muscle here and look, i'm not in a position to make any kind of commentary on is really military tactics. but uh they, they can wreak devastation and they can take lives and they do it on a daily basis. and we've seen it for the past year. so again, i, you know, that's why i asked that question about, why would they choose to attack in that way? how does it serve their goal? is it messaging? is it tactical? is it operational? and if so, what's the, you know, what would be the media purpose? i mean, the message is clear, the message is like, we can read it too, but of course we know they can commit massacres and dropped to 1000 pound bombs on plus civilian populations that we've seen them doing guys. but what can they cannot

do? the 11, no, because that would uh, bring a response that they could not handle. so they and with something good, that is the, is a major, uh, intelligent school, but at the same time does not lead to an escalation of the war. uh and the way that uh, dropping it to a 1000 by a 100 miles. sorry im gonna have to jump in. we're listening live to the health ministry press conference from the large number of injured have started flooding to hospitals. they would mentally angels, as a result of explosion, of phase of devices that took the number of those on arriving a test. that's what a very large we have come to know that some of the engines have arrived at the southern parts of living. and so far,

the emergency room and operation room of the ministry of him is classified about 200 cases. as political cases, some of them have been subjected to surgical operation. and so a number of individuals have been killed in clothing as young china. and the total number of ends of there's about $2750.00. that the number of those scales is a 8 that the number of kind of ticket conditions is above 200 septic water said it's got an anti vinson mold. and $150.00 blad units have been

and handed it to the total number of hospital instead of saving the injured out about to $100.00 costs. with those most of the saying that is already the or is it is to the face, the hand or the waste part of the body. and as they pull to the many of these entities also where they parted. and if it was eyes that require a surgical operation, i would like to state that there is a concerted code in a time between the emergency room of the ministry of health, the ambulance department, hospitalized and medical cruise. from the moment this incident took place. communication was established with all the part does an old place their duty as

do we think all the hosp does for accommodating the large number of entities and we were able also to i uh, this distributed the number off site and it is not my goal in the us because i would like to raise the rate that i owe the husbands, responded positively without de the reluctance or hesitation. well, i think all the medic on teams, the name of the doctors for the dates all day and they are due at t as a quad. finally, uh, prior to that all my on my to to accept him to his medicine over the phone and bartos grand to speed recovery to the wounded. and i thank all our part that was in the homeland for the great efforts to exec, just over the past few hours. we hope that the situation would be contained stability on cardboard, be it is stored and that we will be able to this todd is all i want to do. it is to the end,

i am open to any questions. please go ahead and take this reported through the mass media that one of the hospitals, hey plus it posted that it was claimed that the it was reported that these devices should have been disposed of. weeks ago. i started by saying that these reports are false, as, according to the situation on the ground old, the hospitals open the door as the old, the injured. however, i had to get it to say when that is an incident like this. we start hitting phone at home is that's why i requested each and every one to verify the source of information they drive the reports from we are doing the best and well

here. the very open and transparent to you giving you all the updates when necessary. once again, we, it a today that it is our bottom, our priority to contain the situation to attend to the one did and they leave the hospitals at their list. thank you. are all right. you've been listening to this latest update that was given to us by the ministry of health in 11 on. and they told us that there are 4 more people injured, then was previously known. 2750 people have been injured in this attack across 11 non as communications devices, pagers blew up in people's pockets or in people's hands. he explained that more than 250 people are considered to be in critical condition. so far, 8 people are dead, a people have been killed from this attack. that number may rise, give them the number of people who are in critical condition. and surprisingly,

perhaps the injuries are mostly to the face, the head in the waist, given where page or where people keep their pagers. a 100 and hospitals have been involved as this is a mass casualty event. let's get on the latest on this now would say no harder houses here in santa holder who's joining us from the 11 east capital. if this is far larger xena, then even you saw when we last spoke 2750 people. yes, at 11 on the health minister saying that 2750 people were injured to have them 200 of them in critical condition and 8 of them to a mass casualty events. that's the way you describe that. that's exactly what's happened and i can tell you, since we've been reporting this for the past few hours, we have seen rushing to nearby hospitals almost stop k off in

the street. the police telling people to has home so that the roads are open so that they can bring those who are injured to hospital hospitals, of course, overwhelmed in a country already facing multiple crises. how's the law also issuing its 1st statement since this this simultaneous and coordinated attack, which is being claimed on israel and its 1st statements as well as saying that at 3 30 pm this afternoon, a number of message receiving devices are what is called. the pagers exploded, and these pictures belong to members as belong members from, you know, different, different units of hasn't been on the explosion. the cause of the explosion is not known in that investigation. are under way to find out what caused explosions, but also in its statement, hezbollah mentions that

a girl and her 2 brothers were killed and that the resistance is at its highest level of readiness. and it is ready to defend 11 on so defiance on the parts of, of has the law. but the thing that investigations are under way to determine what cause these explosions, no doubt of earlier has the official describe this as a major, a security breach. in fact, the biggest major security breach faced by the fight faced by the organization as they know who the reporting from the streets of the 11 east capital. be rude. thank you very much. this as we continue to look at the live shot of the medical center outside the american university, and they route, uh, that's the top right of your screen. you see the ambulances, you see people streaming towards the medical center, which it shouldn't come as a surprise, given the number of people injured across the country, 2750. and in the center of your screen,

you're also seeing seems like this that just occurred all across the country. as people suddenly saw their pages explode either as they were holding them or as they had them in their pocket. sometimes debilitating injuries. and 8 people have been killed as spring and rummy hoary distinguished fellow at the american university of the router. joining us from boston at rami, it's good to have you with you. let's start with your initial observations on the, the, the attack, both the methods, the reasons for it, and the implications of it as well. so those are important. the strengthens thing to me, is the technical part. how did they do this? and we will find that out soon. i'm sure. the more interesting political message is that this was a large scale attack that cause relatively few casualties. any casualty shouldn't happen, but they did not try to kill large numbers of people. this event,

like they run the an attack on israel a couple months ago with a sense, $300.00 drawings themselves, but does not target them to, to kill people. so this is a political message of fine magnitude. what it does though, is cause serious concern. not only in london, and then his butler, but the whole across them, at least among those forces in the excess of resistance for a close to his bologna, run them from us about how vulnerable they might be. and what other capabilities do these really is that they can use electronically? both his real and his bill for the last 56 months have been sending messages to each other about their willingness to fight the enhanced capabilities. they both have to reach the other side. but their preference for a negotiated return to the terms of engagements that have government loving them

since 2006, the last big war, southern lebanon, the northern israel. but this is a qualitative leap into a different domain. they is riley's husband also saying for 67 months that his bullet is their biggest priority because his both of them is iran. and if they can weaken his bella or contain a somehow, then they would see that as a bigger priority than trying to get rid of the feminist, which they're still trying to do well and rami, they have these really is also have an another, a domestic priority which they really just made official last night at a security cabinet meeting. they said we are adding another official war goals to our existing list. you know, before it was defeating a mouse releasing the hostages. and now it's also uh, creating the conditions for is really citizens in the north of israel to return to their homes. because tens of thousands of people have not been able to live in their homes, towns, and villages in northern israel. since the beginning of this war,

much like their tens of thousands of lebanese, we haven't been able to live in southern lebanon since the beginning of this war because of the cross border shilling. so my point is, is real just hours ago says we have this new goal and we need to create new security conditions and hours after messages that very publicly it's on twitter. or there is this attack, which is, is not crippling, at least severely damaging to thousands of people and 2 parts of the hezbollah network 11. all right, then if it's it, it's going to take a little while for people to figure out what this means. the 1st thing i would say is, official is really war goals are not always to be taken literally or seriously their goals in a gas i have not been met and they have a set of all kinds of goals for a, you know, the peace process as the americans call it this and this is sort of an imaginary piece process between palestinians and israelis. so there's all kinds of goals that

they talk about. what matters for them mostly is political pressure at home and american support abroad, homeless everything else has to in general to them. they want to keep fighting against anybody who threatens them and trying to reduce the threat against them through military means they've been trying to do this since the 1930s before states but, and they haven't succeeded. so this is a big question. is this attack designed to provoke a larger war and, and let's, let's bring it all out and see what happens. fight has been learned the or is it designed to scare people on both sides into of achieving a diplomatic resolution at least in the short run. that will push as well a little bit back from the border. push the as rarely as back from their border. and reduce the tensions there, but that doesn't do any good because it's been like that since 2006 i'm the fundamental underlying problem has to be resolved on these really don't want to

resolve it. they don't want peace with the palestinians. they don't want to post it in state, they don't want to withdraw from the occupied territories and stuff. they're settlements. and neither do they want to show that day and has bola or equal magnitude players, they want to dominate as well and subjugated and they haven't been able to do it. so this is a huge, huge problem that will not be solved unilaterally. but the man's serious adult liked rather than an american, like at the like mediation, and this has not anywhere to be seen. so everybody in the region is concerned around the hoary, thank you very much for joining us. that's such short notice. good to talk to you this hour as bringing a mirror or and call them this that these really daily newspaper hearts focusing on military and government affairs. who are joining us from west jerusalem a mirror. we want your point of view and i will start with this has the law has

blamed israel for this attack. israel has not claimed responsibility, which is often what it does. let's get this out of the way. is there any reason to believe any reason at all? to believe that this would not be as real well, of course of bringing the usual suspects. uh, if you see any other suspects. uh you may name them, but uh okay, of course is ro would be would be the uh, the normal address here. and um. ready ro wouldn't mind that. uh, it would be uh, seen as, uh, it's being behind it and you know, uh, a few hours ago, one of uh, benjamin is done. yeah. i was associates uh answering to a critic offering to send you all who earlier said, well, the thing you always not going to stop anything 11 on until he is back from new

york where he is going next week. so nathaniel was as solely at responded to discreet take by uh, indicating that the criticism was far too soon. and then he had to delete the suite because it was uh too revealing. yeah. so let's, let's start from the assumption that the 12 of israel. okay, so the working assumption for everyone on the or then i just needed to put that to you because everyone has been saying is realized real is real. i wanted to double triple check with you, but the working assumption for everyone in the region, i think beyond is that indeed is realize behind this, the big question then becomes why the okay. the s s, we all know not one is rarely hostage is coming back after the show of ingenuity and creativity, not one is rarely residential. he's going back home in the law after the exploding

beepers and what is rose should have done, and many indians rarely defense establishments have recommended is to get to seize firing guns, which will bring about the ceasefire in dental. and then let diplomacy take its place where they reach the hochstein formula or some other kind of negotiation between israel and level non had been directly waves because by law there is a lot of pressure. justifiably so by the residents seem to know it's been almost a year, cause by let's stop this war after israel did not provoke it because by law united naturally joined come us on october the 8th. and this has been of law. and for 3 sion which is ro finds intolerable, hopefully this will be a substitute for reg, around maneuver, not the pre kosa but, but how would that? okay,

i'm not sure i understand the logic there because hours ago and i've been pointing this out a meant yeah. whose office tweeted, we need a fundamental change to the security situation in the north. they mean northern israel, they mean they me, they need a bigger pardon? they mean that they need to make northern israel safe from hezbollah attack, so that is really, is kind of return there. how does what we're seeing today help the residents of northern israel has been stranded for a year. and so while the majority of these rallies are against nathaniel, was fully seeking god, uh you will find a very broad consensus regarding the north and whether this has to be an official or a goal or whether it was to wait to. and by the way, a few hours before this incident, these really secure your story, please review the principle of what's going to plant and explosive charge and try

to assess the night. the former is rarely besides officials. so these would be portrayed as retaliation for the. the other incident mentioned by these rarely security agencies know this, the image. so the not solve the problem be should only serve as a trigger or more heated changes, but around the table and not across the board. i mean, one of my earlier guests said israel is trying to broaden the war and drag more countries into this war 11 on and possibly iran. this is something i have heard for months from countless guests. do you subscribe to this notion, the israel correction that the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu wants to go to war with his blah end, or with a run?

so you just by the front of the, to distinction, which is the, the root of error or thing here. this is ro is not the interest of israel is to get the war over. both thing does a and being lab under nathaniel, for his personal, political and even judicial reasons. he is golf course, standing trial for bribery and other offences. indeed suppose to testify in his own defense come december. the 2nd time you all would like to prolong the war and probably too broad in a weather. he has the power within the cabinet within these rarely political system to do it. um, i doubt it because the veto power over others, but up to now he is not managed to provoke anything in regard to chris by law

where he can later leapfrog from there to iran and president biden had been adamant not to let him do it for very good reasons. busy american national interest. so there is a delicate balance between ethan, y'all and others in these reli decision making and get a lead. hopefully, you will not prevail. a near or and thank you for coming on is great to get your perspective on this, this, our thank you. now i want to bring in more on the chart. i was you were a senior political analyst, more one. you're joining us from paris. i know you've been listening to everything that was said, i can you, can you pull all of these threads together? this is still a very new story and development just over the last 2 hours, 2750 people injured. what do you make of all of this? so let's start with your assistant question. this past hour. so silly about the logic behind

a back with this nature. ready that the consumer because only so far a few people, i think the, the intention, biologic and distracted should, behind such attack is not how many casualties. although we don't know yet how many casualties we would end up with after, you know, the final tell me comes in. the main objective of such an attack is better. and for our viewers that are on the what does probably be helpful to do some role play here. imagine it's 1200 people active in defense going state department then decided to add their pages explode in their faces, arms and abdominal. how would you think the united states feels about that? imagine that the executives and silicon valley, california,

$1200.00 of them had their phones or communication devices except in their pockets . and in the face of how would you say california, the high pick industry and the united states security patch teams about that? so this is a major, major breach. and yes, as we've heard earlier, if this breach is not to the supply chain, but it's a breach to the communication system to the communication devices. if it's a site but that then we also want to tell me because i think everyone never on is a country that that believes in conspiracy theory. so just look, i put in so many, then i said about confidence and what have you. and this is, et cetera, rising, make an exempt to the people living a and to the minutes. and so as well. and this is a major escalation, not only in terms of his driver's war, again, just neighbors against living on against follow signs on so forth. it's also on his commission of the use,

the structural technology more and his and that's my 2nd point, which i think is very, very important to undermine that. i'm like say a similar attack against how much i should have. my selected was in 1996. when is the rig this phone with explosive. ready somehow got it to him and then they don't, they said the explosion of explosions when he answered the phone. that was 28 years ago. is it already had that kind of access and that kind of intelligence against a major match submitted. so if this is today, i bought a fresh shipment, philip and on that was hacked in to sit in terms of the supply chain and then the to nathan. that's one thing. if we're talking about a major cyber attacks that allows the phone to go to the batteries or what have you, and i'm no expert that that could be clear. i'm talking about the psychological

terroristic aspect of this is a mess that, or this is an attack of mess that, or this are not cyber hacking of a system used by someone period. this is of, by an attack that's been kind of massively own in discriminatory if it stood with the same casualties on one shoulder 11 on the 1st chart, the final class on death 2 of us on actually there's one on one family members for the scene that we've seen and we've been showing in the marketplace, but the phone does explore then this is definitely mess tetra and again you want introducing a new thing here especially in terms of is there any level surg unless if you tie this into your is rarely guess and you'll have a nice guest in your ring and guess there is not the bundle in important. they have been talking for many days now about taking the on about extending the

one against the bond or the other to allow for the 60000 and the by the way, 60000 is right is we'll have to move north or south from the north to fix them back, they have to widen the war, get on to yesterday. made a declaration. that is what is going to have to expect the many 30 operations against that, but on order to allow for the 6 songs with them. so we are really talking, i'm already in the logic of expanding the war against lab and on and beyond. yeah, man and so on, so forth. so this is this coalition, it's sector risk escalation. and it's a major blow perhaps by law and potentially the, the small uh, you know, officials in, instead of, you would probably have went off to celebrate today. but i think the must have a lot to, to grab it tomorrow. no one i'm i'm, i'm listening to everything you say. um you said the main objective of this was

power. and just now you also mentioned the idea of broadening the war. i want to be clear. do you think as our previous guest in that is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu not only has interest in but actively is trying to start a full scale confrontation against hezbollah and possibly against the wrong as well . just the line, of course, once again, and i appreciate your opposite ration there are not mutually exclusive, many carriers such an attack of mess that are in the context of, of why the, what, because i was just saying earlier. again, let's imagine, that's what i say about russians. i don't know the chinese, whatever the, you know, you want to use, as i said, as a nemesis. what's behind the exclusion of 1200 communication device? i'm on the officials in washington. you know what this would mean? this would mean said, well, what i don't know. i mean, this is an insurance commission. it is no joke. right. so this is done in the

context of an old really is collectively rhetoric on the part of the is there any, is that the one to expand the war and they weren't making good, so it gives you a minute. and so, so now there is actually no doubt in my mind, no doubt in my mind, but there is nothing you all wanted to expand the war 1st of all, beyond guys to enter the west bank and yes into that. and they wanted to a protected war in guy, so he doesn't wanna leave garza, he doesn't want to cease fire. and he certainly has long wanted, especially to today to bring in the united states congressional configuration of some sort against the one because it was nothing. yeah. whole or was preaching you to congress back and to solve them 3, why it should hit your rock? it was the same within your own piece sense and before about why the united states should be i think you're wrong. and why the united should come to israel's health

is attached to ronald rich attacked by iran. so this is very much within the logic, the strategic, the political, but the logical, the fanatical logic of in german at anyhow, and his minions of precious and not 6. and i think we're going to see dark escalate as long as the united states, as soon as the fuel is there is water. machine continues to shield is red in the international every now and continues to support in whatever it does. then we don't definitely to go into the logic of our wide anymore social 0 senior political analyst, more one to shar. thank you very much for all of that. just as we are about to hit the top of the hour, it's a 2nd this to $1600.00 g m t. i'm serial then. yeah, it's good to have you with us. this is al, sure. 0. and we continue our breaking use coverage of the large coordinated attacks across 11 on 8 people have been killed. nearly 3000 are injured. after hundreds of

personal communication devices exploded symbol tenuously across the country. it's believe most of the page or is were being carried by members of hezbollah. the, at a supermarket, a man can be seen there picking fruit and vegetables when his device explodes. several shoppers, including children that you see there, the background to run from the scene and appear to hold their ears and pain from the loud explosion. and now security camera footage. that's what you're watching now. shows another man's device exploding and his pocket at a shop check out to staff members are hit by debris and run away from the counter as the lies cold at one of the biggest security breaches since the group was formed . emergency departments have been inundated with the injured has belong members and civilians. local media reports say the teachers,