miller, there, he's taking questions as he does on a near daily basis from the press and of course, given the wide scale attacks that just occurred and 11 on a few hours ago, he was getting a lot of questions on that. what it might mean, what the us new. so we're going to be discussing that with our guest mohammad who must be, who has joined us in the studio. so mom and we didn't all right, i beg your pardon. we will come to mom and in a moment's 1st. so let's recap. 9 people have been killed and nearly 3000 injured after hundreds of personal communication devices exploded. symbol tenuously across level non is believe, most of the pages were being carried by members. it has the law, it's flaming. israel for the attack accept assignment which has this device is meant for communication or turned into bombs, exploding at the hands of hundreds of people. many cuz the members it's an 8

page devices that we've been using. all of them are exploding in the guys. reports suggest the explosions were caused by high technology targeting pagers, largely used by members of the around back group. hospitals are now over a while struggling to cope with the influx of interest. people. we don't have room anymore in the hospitals. there's more than $400.00 men here. they're peters exploded. the ones they use for communication. these a big assassination. big assassination. deliberate, nice health ministry has issued an urgent call telling people not to use pagers. most of the injuries are either the face, especially the eyes in the hand or in the sign of the slang. and you have them and you know, the patients where the poor thing that the, the swear the results of a communication device that they had with them, that the accurate exposes on the streets. the scale of the attack is clear.

hundreds language, the for blood even days seeking help has below official has called is the biggest security breach. and it's year long. conflict with israel has bullet has recently switched to using pages as a more secure alternative to the groups leader hudson to throw a cold on his fighters to abandon smartphones appearing israel's. the ability to hatchet devices. the switch was meant to enhance security. but the may have created a new weakness. the attacks span multiple occasions across lebanon, suggesting a coordinated and sophisticated operation. while israel hasn't commented so far, this comes just hours of to reset to have stopped his bullet attacked on a swim. tuesdays attack in loveland on the scene is a significant escalation. after months of cross border attacks by israel and has spa x, as i move out to 0. the office of lebanese caretaker, prime minister,

nauseated mccarthy, issued a statement saying we condemned the criminal is really aggression that constitutes a serious violation of lebanese sovereignty. we have started the necessary communications with the concerned countries and the un to hold them accountable for this persistent criminality. as well as the law has blamed israel to the attack and has ballasa as quote, we hold these really and to be fully responsible for these criminal regression, which also affected civilians and led to a number of martyrs and enjoying a large number of people in the quote, we have correspondence following this across all angles in amman, the white house and the united nations. first though this go down to 0 is zayna holder who joins us from the 11 east capital bay roof. it's 9 pm where you are saying, what's the latest as the days coming to a close the, well, the lebanese education minister has announced that schools will close tomorrow. there is a lot of concern about the consequences of this large scale coordinator,

the task that's insured. and that kills a number of people in the, like you mentioned nearly nearly 3000 people, many of them has the law at least 9 that so far, the health minister talking about 200 injured people who are in critical condition . so this was a major attack and it was really different than what we have been seeing in the ongoing confrontation between as well and has the law as well has not same responsibility, but has the law is blaming israel, saying is role is fully responsible. and there will be, quote, just punishment, but has well out, did not say when it to intends to carry out that punishment. or what kind of we tell the ation lebanese governments as well as calling this in aggression saying that this was in this way, the aggression on 11 on sovereignty. there's also a lot of shock with the sophistication of this,

of this attack really pagers that are being carried by members of has a lot in many ways this is a blow to the organization. a major security breach even has below officials have acknowledge this. i mean, it's really a lot of people who does not know, let's say somebody belonged to the group now knows that they are a member of the group either after seeing them, you know, injured or even those in the hospital. so this is a major security breach in many, many ways this is as well, or if it is the needs to be as well. uh, you know, penetrating has been lost communications network and saying it has pulled out. we know had become concerned recently about the vulnerability of their communications name. can you tell us about that? well, yes, this is a war of attrition. for the past 11 months we've seen as well and hezbollah stick to the unwritten rules of engagement. they have focused on military targets. now,

it is also an intelligence for israel has carried out numerous fascinations that they have to their senior commanders in the fields as well as, as well as chief of staff in late july and a surgical strike in the hearts of baby rhodes. and this is all relying on not just intelligence information, but surveillance equipment. israel is a technologically advanced army, they were tapping phones. we know that as well as secretary general health. very much concerned that even address his men, his fighters were on the front line during a televised speech, say, you put, you know, do not use your smartphones. they're not used. phones do not use the internet because this is the way as well as tracking you down it. so it shows it's told it's fighters to, to throw away if you like, all this high tech. but even this primitive a, you know, devices be for israel to be able to, you know, penetrate and, and hack or, or,

and then buy and explode hundreds of them. this is going to cause a lot of concern because 1st of all, how are you going to replace this communications networks and a lot of a sensitive information has all been compromised, especially the identity. the ssl 0 is zayna holder reporting from the 11 east capital bay roads. honda. so who is in amman? jordan because these really government has banned out from 0 from reporting from inside israel. so i'm the while hezbollah is pointing the finger at israel is really staying silent. no word from israel, no confirmation or denial, but according to is really media. there was a directive for me, is really prime minister to his government, to his ministers and his cabinet. not to speak about the events that took place in lebanon north to conduct interviews about them, not to speak about them in

a general sense to any one. we also got word, but he had organized a meeting with the top security ross, including israel's defense minister. but all of this comes with these really military confirmed meeting. but these really army chief of staff had headed with his top ross from these really military. and then after that meeting there was a statement that was really saying that the army is preparing for a wide variety of scenarios. they are being there readiness. they are prepared for anything that could come their way. however, there is no sort of change in the guidelines when it comes to israel's homefront command. that is the instructions that are given by the government by the military, if there is any sort of security situation. but do you have to remember what took place last night in telling me that a meeting of israel security cabinet were benjamin netanyahu had added a 4th goal of the war? previously, all 3 of the goals only pertain to israel's war on garza. but this 4th and final

goal nearly a year into the war, nearly a year into the cross border fire, now relates to returning is really to the northern part of the country after they were evacuated by these really governments on october the 8th. but i'm to, i'm looking at these statement from the is really prime minister's office. and benjamin netanyahu reportedly said that there is going to have to be a quote fund, a mental change and the security situation in the north of israel. but they are not giving more details, do we have an understanding? it is real of what that means of what is real specifically might be wanting to do with the change that security situation. the old for is israel isn't going to die belgium eat secrets and let everyone know what their course of action is when it comes to military preparations or actions. but we should also know what these really defense minister had said in a call with the us defense secretary lloyd austin yesterday. and that is that the

time for a diplomatic settlement which has been lost, has run out. but it's just not possible at this point. these relays have said that they don't want a full scale war, but that they are prepared to fight what rhetoric from is really security and defensive visuals for the last several months. in fact, throughout the entire year has been that they are not afraid to turn 11 on into a 2nd, gaza. but all of the news is of these really air force planes are pointed at 11 on ready for some sort of larger offensive action that could lead to a war. even though allies like the united states have both privately and publicly told these really that this could lead to a wider regional conflict, but nobody wants. so israel says they are preparing on all fronts. and it's shortly a signal according to many is really experts that this goal that was added under the list of achievements. but nothing y'all wants is a change in is really policy on how they're going to deal with the threat in the

north. honda, thank you very much for that. that sounds as here as homeless a who reporting from amman. jordan, we can go now to kristin salumi kristen, you're at the united nations headquarters in new york. so look that the, the, you n's main role is to prevent conflict. also, they have troops, they have blue helmets in on the ground in lebanon. so what are they saying about this? when we know they're very concerned about the situation and they're collecting information as we speak the spokesperson for the secretary general's to find to sorry. when asked about this said that he deplored the civilian casualties. as a result of this, not clear how many are civilians, but we know that 8 people were killed and more than 2700 injured. so their monitoring that situation and you know what these are excited is that they can't underscore enough. the volatility of the region right now in the risk that this

poses for escalation throughout the middle east. and as you mentioned that they have more than 10000 peacekeepers, right? in the middle of this, on the border between 11 on an israel, supposed to be monitoring the piece, they are very difficult job as things look like they could escalate at any moment. these are concerns that the us band expressing since the beginning of the war and gaza. the secretary general himself has expressed that concern. and he said that this is why we need the escalation in the region on not escalation. this is why we need a ceasefire. and its a message that's been echoed by certainly many un officials and many member states here as well. kristen salumi reporting from you in headquarters in new york. thank you very much. kristin in the us state department says that it did not have prior knowledge about the attack and whether not i can tell you that the us was not

involved in it. the us was not aware of this incident in advance, and at this point we're gathering information. we do want to see a diplomatic resolution to the conflict between israel and has the law. we want to see one that allows the 10s of thousands of israelis have been displaced from their homes and the 10s of thousands of lebanese who have been displaced from their homes to be able to return home. and that's what we are continuing to pursue, to speak to rosalind jordan who was in washington dc. so ross, matthew miller was being a little boy, we listen to the some of that press conference earlier, withdrawn this question, trying not to say too much. what's the main takeaway for you? the main takeaway is that the us says uh at least uh, from the state department's perspective, that it was neither aware of this plot to uh, set off so many thousands of pagers in love in on that it was not involved in this plot. and that it does not know whether it was actually israel,

that was behind the explosion of these pagers which injured some of the 3000 people . busy and killed at least 8 people across the country. in under further questioning, miller said that the us is very much teen not to see how small and israel go to war . especially in light of this latest incident. and outside of the us is trying to do everything that it can to prevent the ongoing war in garza from turning into a regional conflict. and certainly an incident such as what has happened to across the loving on on tuesday could be seen as a justification for more and a bigger conflict. rosalyn jordan reporting on the latest out of the us state department there. thank you very much. was speak to our white house correspondent, kimberly healthcare in washington, dc. and kimberly, we've been working our way to you because we know that the one thing that us has wanted to avoid really since the, since the gods and war began almost

a year ago. they wanted to avoid regional escalation. i don't know if you've ever heard from the white house, if there's been any statement from them. if there have, if there has please tell us what you've heard. if there hasn't, please give us the context around this of the yeah, well it was the very 1st question from the very 1st reporter to ask uh, and the white house is basically saying from creation up here of the white house press secretary that uh the they have seen the reports, but they are not going to speculate from here. in other words, the white house is attaching this one right now. this is still a fresh story and given the fact that, uh well there is finger pointing towards israel is being responsible for the destination of these eh, pagers in coordination and to time to add to go off at the same time. uh,

this is something that the white house simply will not speculate on. having said that, what we know is that president biden has one of his top officials in the region in israel just one day before cautioning the top military officials then benjamin netanyahu, himself just one day earlier saying, look, we don't want this war with lebanon to escalate we believe that this would be detrimental, and we're concerned about the ramping up of military preparations with hezbollah that we're seeing. and this would be detrimental for your goal, israel's goal of trying to see the thousands of his rallies that are displaced, returning to israel. so the, if this is something that israel is, in fact, responsible for this is certainly discouraging to the united states. now we should also point out that in the midst all this, the united states continues to express hold for

a cease fire deal. you heard there in the state department briefing, but anthony blake and is traveling to egypt as we speak and is meeting with the mediators of the united states. of course, the one cats are ad, egypt being the other. and that there is an effort to put pressure on israel as well as from us to come up with some sort of re, bout deal that would bring about a cease fire 6 weeks cease fire in order to try and get captives being held by him . us released in exchange for posterior prisoners in is really jails. well, what i can tell you is, but that's a big goal of president biden's and one that he's trying to get done before he leaves office. and this incident that has now occurred and love it on a certainly going to make this much more problematic. so i can tell you that this is another reason likely that the phrase john pierre is not going to comment on

this because there are some big and lofty goals that this white house is trying to achieve and president vive, and doesn't have a whole lot of time to do it, the us election is less than 60 days away. his terminal office ends on the, at the end of this year and was given the fact, but in the vital administration has sent this warning less than 24 hours to israel . and the potential, the israel has now done the exact opposite is a real smack in the face to the bottom to ministration. like kimberly how could houses, here's white house correspondent, thank you very much for that. so earlier i spoke to living on the health minister for the rest of the ad from the roots, and he gave more details about the injuries presented at hospitals across the country. most of the engine is either the face, especially the eyes in the hand or, and the side of the flying. and you have them and you know, the patients where the poor thing that the, the swear the results of

a communication device that they had with them. that the actually exploded and cause these kinds of engines. you mentioned that over a 100 hospitals have been involved in treating the injured how, how's the hospital system holding up right now? well, you know, we haven't been since the events and stuck with uh, you know, live in an as you know and started reactivated, our family comes the emergence of what he thinks is the center. and we have been doing things and depending disaster plans with the hospitals, with our partners in the 2nd. so we activated these active plans, and unfortunately the geographical distribution where we send you these less by twice, we saw that there was cases invaded within the southern southern suburbs. we also have cases in the south cases. and because,

and that explains the large number off plus because that's where receiving the casualties. we had a very good response in the, you know, from a coordination perspective in the sense that we weren't able to direct them. but i, as the patients, uh so that, you know, none of the suspect things was actually at each stage where, you know, it was over there. and i think that the response was well, but clearly i wish thoughts with the injured. and you know, especially those of them and could take it from the minister beyond the immediate health response, where do you think this is taking 11 on that? that's clear that you know, uh, unfortunately, uh, you know, that agent and i think a large part of the, the machine from unit 2 has been boiling for an immediate cease fire drum. uh, you know, how does that to, to 11. i think that this is clearly a step in the wrong direction. i think that. busy the uh, uh,

parties who are incense on that they can go escalating this conflict. and unfortunately, from a health perspective, i think this is deputy mental for the people of the agent. how does, as far as a defense and intelligence research, are you joining us from luxembourg? it's great to talk to you again. so israel was able to weaponized hezbollah as own communications devices there. pagers, do you have a working theory on how they would have been able to do that as well there on sweet must ability. so this found, the 1st step is from managed to enter, set the, the cover itself and the managed to familiar with the, with the devices, which is the least likely one because it takes a long time. we're talking about thousands of devices. the 2nd, which is, is for a managed to compromise one of the elements,

one of the components of the device through the supply chain. and then providing at to the factory which and most probably do you have no idea what, what is inside the device, how the compromise happened. and this compromise the new device which is could, could be faster. the batteries with little bit of explosives could be triggered only with a southern mass. since i've seen this in several of the videos, there was some communication in coming. and then the explosion happened. so then there was a trigger that trigger happened and, and, and in a columbus manufacturing way. so if i put it that way. and the scenario is that as well managed to compromise another piece of the supply chain, which would be the uh, the same to all you seats. and these devices all could be a different, could be a different model of the model, the different device of for safety and the managed to over of

the load, the microprocessor to over compute, which leads to explosion off the graphics themselves. in all the cases, if they get a compromise in the uh, the, the components of the device shape the case itself. if it has been compromised along with any kind of compromise within it, that would change the product. what would ship it like a project type? so that what we've seen in india, in terms of a lot of people in 11th, but i think in all those scenarios and correct me if i'm wrong or if i've misunderstood something in all those scenarios. the battery of the device is what ultimately is weaponized and turned into an explosive. is that right? this is the biggest fucking. so if you, if you look on the page, if you open the page, uh you have the receiver and you have the microprocessor and do you have uh the vibrating device and the biggest chunk inside the painter is the veterans. and this

is the place where you can find whatever you would like to hide. you can provide it with house capacity that no one would suspect that the other house is actually exposes the, i'm trying to follow the logic and how this could have worked right. how this could have happened? you said theory number one, working theory, number one is real, get their hands on the page or is before they're delivered to his the law. and that's where they could tamper with them. you said that's the least likely. why? because it takes a lot of work and this is not planned this time. if you will, if you get a shipment of thousands of devices that you would like to, well get, hold on, work on them and then shipped them that game. it's very suspicious. and the, the, the, the, the, the, the possibility, the, it's, it's, it's, it's the corner of the ground this time and operations. it's that you have to do

some of the things that no one suspects, and you don't disrupt that change. so if you're able to stop the chain and you let them go as if they're supposed to go, then yours, then it's a, it's mission trying to call this for you. and i think and this is why the scenario off it'd be a compromise with the supply chain without of the factory manufacturers and, and then being provided to whoever has the level this device is from. and this completes the chain and the trigger is now one of the whatever the message that the code of the could be the can be multi layered here, bit back and, but we're talking about the could be a multi layered interception and compromise of, of, of, of components could be the better for each, but could be harmful that explosives. it could be also the language chip that, that responds to a certain amount that comes through telecommunications be though,

uh cool, and as a female for as a message. so what does this security breach mean for hezbollah? no, it means a lot actually, because this is not the 1st. and we're almost like it's not the 1st one. we're seeing that with the mobile devices that even from the district that you get out of the office blossoms from i have to appeals to his fight is not to use the mobile phone. so. so i'm, we've seen that with another example. it was with a selection of logical and 0 where some of the scenarios that enforced by western media that there was a code for him to go up. and that is where the summation happens. so it's, it's a multi layered the problem was the law itself, the problem may be with communication and they cannot change much. now during the war, because i, me, things are going to change. they will be on the,

the scope. and it's ram. wouldn't notice that. and they cannot go for long shipments to replace what they have. it's very critical, very critical. now as these are all the plans that they are going full force, time is at our defense and intelligence research are joining us from luxembourg as our thank you so much for coming on the program. thank rich outs and is a geo political consultant, a senior fellow at the atlanta council. you are joining us live from washington dc . what's your view on everything we've learned over the last 4 or 5 hours now as well as it's going to be went through. i, i think the bar let down from what your previous guess was saying there was definitely a disruption of the supply chain either from the software side which could have been done through the insertion of malware remotely. or in, or during some, a period when the devices were not watched or the manipulation of some of the parts not. i've seen some videos of iphone battery is the cause,

pretty serious injuries as well. if the batteries are not replaced on time, you can see that they start to swell and explode in some cases catching fire. so, you know, it's not impossible that there could have just been some code that wasn't sorted into the phones that overheated the batteries without the insertion of explosives. but i, i actually disagree with the previous guess and that i don't think it's that hard if you study the problem over time for 6 months, a year, 2 years to figure out who produces the pagers and the interrupt either to get somebody get into the factories where they're made, order interrupt them in shipping and i think the sort of thing this pagers in commercial supply change don't typically have 247 arm the guards or something like that. so i, i think what some very interesting about this is that this took a long time to plan. you were planning out the distribution knowing where these things were going to go. and then sort of the triggering mechanism and coordinating the effects of the time. so wherever one stands on, on his will. uh,

and his real complex, of course, has an american with you as well as a tourist organization. so you can guess where i stand. it is an impressive feat of organization and engineering. if indeed it was. do is really she did it. okay, that's all the question of how, right, how this could be done, the mechanics of it do tamper with the devices and cetera, etc. but consider the question of why it is real and as well, of course are bitter enemies. um, so is real, may not need a wider reason to want to degrade its enemy just across the border, which has been sending rockets and missiles added for the better part of the year. but is there something bigger than that bigger than just short term degrading as below? well, there's a couple of things. first of all, for the people who fear the escalation into a regional conflict, what's patient, there's already a regional conflict there on is pulling strength on a number of different groups, including the who are things in the ritzy and loving, says bully yes, they have local motives and they have the local tires, but there's absolutely coordination going on this led by to for on the running an

investor to live in on was reportedly one of the people who had these as well, the pagers and was wounded in that. so i think this was in a sense of counter escalation by israel saying we're not going to tolerate it. consistent long term campaign, especially when tens of thousands of our people are displaced from the north. i would have one thing, and that is that $2700.00. his molar managers, planners, fighters, who now have mangled fingers or degraded vision or can't walk, could be an indicator that something big is going to happen in the near term. if and in fact israel plan to major operation. this was the sort of thing that you would probably expect to see either shortly before a larger operation was launched. i would not think that this is just a one off. i think it's either a granite counter escalation or perhaps an indicator of something big to come. okay, well, there are 2 directions i want to go and i hope will have time for both. to address the 1st part of your statement, you're saying this could be a counter escalation from israel, of course hezbollah, wooden frame in that way at all. right?

they would say that what they've been doing over a year attacking israel is part of israel's war on gaza and their response to that . they say they are trying to draw israel's military resources to the north in order to give a little bit more breathing room is in the right word. but in order to draw some resources away from israel's war and gosh, that that's how they would frame it. certainly they, they would frame it that way, but let's, whatever their motives are, they are the ones that look to remember that they're the ones that initiated hostilities against israel in the north show. israel was generally planning a sort of imperative. com. i think it was comfortable with the status, well, both engaged and living on prior to october 7th, but almost 1st uh with the attacks on october 7th and then his ball a later out of sympathy with the motives or promotion. indeed are the ones that have tried to take the fight. that is real gosh, that's why i refer to it as a counter escalation. i think israel would like nothing more then for it is more to say our resistance is only going to be on lebanese territory. we're not gonna attack into israel,

but that's not what they're saying. they're saying we're going to bring the fight to his really citizens and territories and, and border towns. and that simply is intolerable from the strategic calculus of these really government. yeah, they're in tens of thousands of is really of his families who have been displaced and then in northern israel by the cross border shilling. and the, or the latest estimate i saw is a $100000.00 plus lebanese who in southern lebanon, who similarly have been displaced by the cross border attacks. the 2nd part of what you said earlier was that this attack that we saw this afternoon could be an indication of something bigger. can you explain that? certainly, well, i probably wouldn't claim to have any insights into strategic planning going on and telling me i or jerusalem. but i would say this just from the perspective of the military man, if, if you're interested in a major operation. if for instance, you had planned to, to across the border and eliminate his bullish fighting positions of rock at launching positions within, you know, x kilometers 51020, whatever from the border. and you wanted to make sure that you did not face the

kind of resistance you did in 2006 during that operation. i think that crippling 2700 fairly senior planners and coordinators would be a good way to kick that off. so again, i don't have any particular insight. i'm saying as a general principle before you launch a major military operation, crippling some of the planners is a good idea on the other side or ok, which i'll send you. a political consultant senior fellow at the atlanta council. thank you much, very much for joining us. this our on else 0. going to be with you and call him clark is the director of research at this to find center. you're joining us live from laurel maryland. i, i want to pick up on something that you told me a little earlier this afternoon that you see israel as being quite keen, quite interested in escalating it's ongoing war to a wider regional war. yeah. well, i think chiefly, benjamin netanyahu is, is interested in that. i'm not sure the rest of the idea of what degree and in fact,

there's been several statements by senior as really defense force leaders. suggesting that if israel does become engaged in a conflict with his bowl and they'd be biting off more than they can shoot. however, netanyahu's got personal circumstances here. he's attempting to do everything he can to stay in power. and then there's the other aspect of this which is returning is really is back to their homes. and that's gonna require, pushing has to look back from the border. and israel sees the only way to achieve that as engaging in some kind of kinetic conflict. right? if they, if they want to do that, no, terribly speaking because we see no political negotiations unless there's something you know really, really under the surface and hidden from the public eye. there is nothing going on in terms of diplomacy. and so if we're talking military confrontation, that would be something on a massive scale when it or it wouldn't be massive. and let me go back to the point

on diplomacy. i think, you know, us special envoy and we'll talk students been to the region multiple times. there is, there are diplomatic efforts at play here. they're just not working. right. and so uh, you know, if this doesn't uh, develop into some kind of broader consultation. it would be a huge lift for the is really military. again, probably the most capable military in the region, but you're also asking you to fight a 2 front war after almost a year of an ending, uh conflict. and that takes its hold on the ideas and on, you know, the reserves and people that want to kind of go back to normal life to say nothing of these really population. so this would be a tremendous lift. and i'm not so sure these really is, uh, you know, wouldn't be able to do this in the same way that netanyahu has promised me. you mentioned you as presidential and boy aimless hocksey. now he met is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who then posted on x that he told hawks the may need. he needs

a fundamental change in the security situation in the north. from his perspective, that means northern israel, the border between israel and 11 on how do you interpret those words. like, you know, i interpret that as if there's not a deal tomorrow, but she knows there's not going to be that netanyahu reserves the right to use the military to achieve that. that objective. and i think again, we don't know yet. this could be the opening salvo, this could be the prelude to the broader round invasion, which would likely contain a significant air component cipher. and, you know, the as rarely bring the full kind of bravo capabilities against, as of all of but again, let me go back to the point i made when we spoke earlier, as well is not from us. this is a worldwide organization. they can do significant damage, not only to israel, but to as rarely interest throughout the world and to american interest rich outs and geopolitical consultants, senior fellow at the atlantic council. thank you very much. and

a most razor professor, a media studies are the doha institute for graduate studies. you are joining us in the studio. we are grateful for that. so you know, as we're trying to, to fill out the details in this picture that's emerging of what's happened today. the facts, there was this large scale coordinated attack on has belong, uh, almost 3000 people were injured because their pagers, whom they trusted up to that point, exploded in their hands or in their pockets. those are the facts. beyond that, we have really more questions than answers. what do you think this is about? well, i think there are a couple of different possibilities that i think you guys have had some really interesting guests on that have offered up some unique insights and theories. one possibility, and i've mentioned this in, in past interviews is this is all part of israel's deterrence doctrine. i don't want to explain it in, in a lot of detail right now. but basically, israel has

a philosophy that if they inflict a lot of damage and, and still fear that no one will mess with us. now, whether or not that doctor and actually works as a, as a topic maybe for, for another date. but that's, that's one possibility here that they're basically trying to scare has the law out of any sort of escalation or even trying to deter what israel is, is trying to do on trying to accomplish on the border. another possibility which many guests of have mentioned, and i think that we would be foolish to dismiss this outright, is that this is kind of an introduction, a precursor to something larger. and as i said earlier, um it strikes me that one of the things you might want to do if you're about to launch a large scale attack on a phone is to disable or disrupt their communications network. and they seem, israel seems to have been able to do that in this case with his blog, which was already taking extraordinary precautions. we talked about this earlier, how soon the sort of law announced in

a speech to any of his beloved fighter. near the front line who was caught using a cellular phone would be immediately kicked out of the group kicked out of his block. they had been increasingly over the past see, months has blocks using our courier. so they're, they're relying literally on face to face. you know, kind of, primitive communication methods, if you will. so they understood the risks involved. israel has the superior technology and intelligence but, but here we are on our we now, this is a big question. are we now on the precipice of something? something larger. and if we are, how was his blog going to engage in this? in this battle, perhaps with some of its communication infrastructure compromised is really expanded as one of those saying, we want to make it safe. beg your pardon, we want to make it safe for our residents to be able to return to their homes, towns, villages in the entire border area right in the border area with 11 on tens of

thousands of his release have had their lives completely disrupted over the last year, i think it's about 80000 and same thing on the other side, even more lebanese, have had their lives completely disrupted and have left the border area. okay. israel once their residence, to be able to return to the north and be safe from hezbollah rockets, which are raining down on the daily. mm hm. how could israel realistically achieve this as well? i don't think they're going to achieve it by doing what they did today. and by escalating with his beloved, that's one of the interesting things, right? they're threatening all out war with his beloved while at the same time wanting to return their, their residents to their homes. that doesn't seem to square very well. and in fact, that's what one of the his boss statements spoke to yesterday. they said, actually, i don't, i don't want to try to resign it verbatim. but i'll paraphrase that. they basically said in their statement that if you engage us in this all out war, you're going to create more displaced is, or at least you're not going to,

you know, bring people home back to the residence. and they also said in that statement that they weren't all out war would cause massive casualties on both sides, on the lebanese side of the border and also on the is rarely side of the border. so it's unclear to me how is real things that these kind of escrow tory moves will bring about the kind of stability and com that is required for israel to return their residence to their homes. i was listening to the matthew miller press conference and and to be honest, i don't often agree with those person to the state of the spokes person for the us state department. i don't often agree with matthew miller and i listen to the entire press conference even after was taken off the air here on, on go to 0. and one of the things that he said that actually agreed with, he said that i know what you're about to say go, i said military action is not likely to bring about israel's objective. he said that in a very subtle way he didn't actually even mention is real and you know, by name. but he said the best way forward is

a diplomatic solution. so i think even to us and the us is firmly and israel's court. sure. right. since october 7th, we have to be clear about that, but even the us disagrees with israel on this specific point, and i think that's important to point out it, but that's why i keep mentioning in our previous guest. also mentioned the name of most hochstein. so for us who don't know who he is, he's the us special envoy to the region, one of levels i might add, but he specifically deals with lebanon. and he met with that yahoo yesterday and yeah, his answer was we need a completely different security reality in the north. so again, yeah. who there are signaling there can't be more of the same. like what has been happening for a year. no longer works for us and you never know with these statements, whether it's grandstanding or whether it really is a signalling the israel once concrete change. yeah, and i think it's also important to keep in mind what's happening inside of israel and that political dynamic between the defense minister you off kalonde and the

prime minister benjamin netanyahu. yolanda has been an advocate for more caution in recent months, saying that we don't necessarily want to pursue and all lot war with his beloved or stretched to fan. that's been to kind of the position of the is really military netanyahu and be a lot by the way. it is the same person who 34 or 5 days ago, said we're now re focusing from gaza. yes. we'll continue to do gaza to fight and gaza, but we're re focusing our efforts to the north. right. and that's the point that i was about to make. she's made an about face. and i think the reason i said this earlier today as well, in an earlier interview, i think the reason she's made this about face, possibly this is just speculation on my part, but based on some evidence is that he realizes that netanyahu, if dialog continues to suggest that he's not on board then then yeah, who's going to dismiss him? and those are, in fact the reports that have been circulating in the is rarely price over the last few days that, that netanyahu is prepared to dismiss you off the lot. so now all of

a sudden kalonde makes this sort of about face. so i, i, i hope i'm wrong. i hope i'm wrong because i don't think anybody want, i mean, we all want this war to, to end on all fronts. but, but i think it's, it's possible here, maybe even likely that we're headed for something larger and loving on to go along with the catastrophe that we, that we haven't garza mohammed and last week. thank you again for joining us in the studio. so thanks, that's bringing more one to shar oceans, who were a senior political analyst joining us from paris, more one. we're trying to put a pull at all the threads of the story, right? this very large scale attack that occurred today. 11 on the as belies, blaming on is real. where do things stand for you right now there? you know, there are different ways we could go with this. where do you want to start? just a couple of quick comments about some of the defense has been said on your, our here on your news are one of the differential scenarios that we haven't

discussed and maybe we shouldn't discuss uh, but just to, you know, to bring it up in order to see moving forward. uh is that, is it possible that that one is that things not just happen in the, in the, in the, in the distribution chain. what torres, me, i will be a good problem to the grid to scandal. all scandals. is that what sudden manufactured or is colluding with is that there's a high company in the west that the supply is 11 on with technology with hardware that it's colluding with is their own software. if that is the case, then we are talking about a whole new world. because if it's there, if there's such a thing, then i think you're going to see a mass migration from the developing world towards china. are we from the us?

because basically it is an industrial. busy collusion with a 0 and there's a very potential for is a collusion because isn't, is far from fossil of western high tech industry. in fact is really, companies are part and parcel and they are, they have many, many joint ventures. and most of the big high tech companies in the world have branches. and is there anyone and is there is known to be as a so called start talk nation. so anyway, that is once you now you that in the next few days or weeks, we will find out more about how this is going to happen. and whether it is a question of software or hardware and where the question of hardware or both as happened, inclusion with some western, uh, corporate or, or official or whatever it is. so. so that's really important to highlight. the other thing i wanted to highlight that is also very important as i think the american position, which i think is the most important um, outside,

outside there's position in additional uh, in this whole mess the united states. i think it's quite misunderstood. for example, when you and your very beginning was already talked about how the united states wanted to prevent the regionalization of the war. in fact, is the united states deployed, it's most sophisticated aircraft carriers in order to shield is or from a potential region or precaution. so the united states deployed to the region in order to allow is the cavities general side. so that's why, beside the united states, the parts of the nation not in order to prevent the regionalization of the war. but she is right from a potential progression to everyone else, and that isn't on notice that you cannot defeat as is there

a mess. it goes to kind of, since that's what it was it. but again, the united states position is pretty soto. america is an incredibly sophisticated nation and its government is a very, very sophisticated government. and it does not be like, i don't know, like previous empires or p, a super powers is the 20, essentially. it's a whole lot. okay. so on the one hand they talk about do not want water with level . all right, we just, all you can guess as mentioned at all. so i do not want to anymore more and got so it'd be one a ceasefire. they also know they also consider the supplements to be legal that they need. well, is there any supplements in the west bank and before that in guys all they also concern them to be illegal. right. and yet, and yeah, the united states continue to support is where i was washing machine is what it could do. the testing finished the point is, are with the 2 and a $5000000000.00

a year. it just issued. so worked with 70 or $20000000000.00 in addition to $58000000.00 under the obama administration. so why don't, why don't, why did they pay for the cards? they sign the card, they put gas in the car, the drive, and push on the gas pedal. in the united states, the shout stop, stop. it makes no sense, but then it could mix. and so if you understand that it's sophisticated popsicle for pharmacy, on the one hand they say we want to do some diplomacy. on the other hand, the support is there as well. she was a 0 senior political analyst, more one of the shar, thank you very much more one of the and we also want to bring information on what's happening on the ground in the gaza strip, where nearly 80 people are feared trapped under the rubble of residential homes

bombed by is really forces in central gaza. the attack targeted homes in elbow res refugee camp. in the early hours of tuesday morning. several people are dead. the number of dead is expected to rise. multi story homes have been completely destroyed in the attack. rescuers have little to know equipments to dig, survivors and bodies out of the roof and entire family with an isolated completely. none of them survived. the father mother and their children were all slaughtered in this era strike. this is israel's tyranny. israel's ongoing war crimes. we say nothing but what pleases all mind. he got to him. we shall ultimately return it. as some children were killed in their sleep. look how innocent the child is. oh god, your mercy god else's zeros tarry god with whom has the latest from darrow by and central gaza. there has been a remarkable intensification of strikes on all to reboot bond money in multiple

areas in the strip in the course of the past. couple of hours more interestingly is in the north of district we're main neighborhoods and the sell brand is like to in neighborhood have been on the relentless as well. that talks a number of casualties have been reported and they were transferred to the baptist hospital to get medical treatment. but the main developing story east of rage refuge account. busy for residential houses have been completely flat since we're talking about and it's to me to take the palestinians are stuck under the degrees of these destroyed areas where the civil defense uh what, cuz managed to recover 8 palestinians who were fine too. but there's 2 doses on the, these remnants of these trusted buildings. they have been expressing that the they are facing a remarkable challenge in terms of accessing the place. again, especially that is where the army has targeted a number of emergency. what, cuz as to where he thinks to that place in order to risk you, those who are still under the rustle of these houses and apparently confrontations

are still ongoing. if you sell that part of guns in particular, in a rough life district, whether it's been a military has stated that there it was a serious smell. it 3 security incidents in a rough off at work for me. it says ready? so we just have been critically wounded and the ongoing confrontations that we the is valley occupational courses. i'm tired of sitting on the course in the city of russell terry compass. then i'll just get ready by kind of sewing. there are reports of fresh fighting and all these caps obama go after. single thing is a tax on key military facilities in the city really are. molly's military had said that the situation was under control, and now k to link group claimed responsibility for a tax on an air base and a military training school. nicholas hack reports from neighboring send a goal, and a warning is report contains some disturbing images. this group of people in bodies capital by my co, burned the body of a young man. the suspect of being in the or tell you the fighter i sold the

military a risk 3 terms. we called the 4th as he was trying to flee. look at his body now he can burn in hell. revenge appears to be fueling as thick heat after tax early on tuesday morning, targeted military facilities in the city. anyone looking error as nick bologna altura is rounded up, badly bruised, this man preach for mercy thing. he's innocent. still, he's picked up by security for the the on the. we are not afraid. and we are taking matches into our own house for the month off, we're been about to run the floor just now on the other side of the road and beyond doing nothing. and i'm not sure of it come to control the situation on national television. a public announcement is made and calling for a call that suggest you is going for the situation is under control. we urge people in the area to remain calm and follow the instructions given by the security forces, particularly. and i will call you to affiliate has claimed responsibility for the

attacks and by macros saying it has inflicted heavy human and material law. for 3 hours, there was intense fighting simultaneously in 2 locations. early on tuesday morning, a military base housing combat drones and russian mercenary troops from the wagner group was targeted, as well as the headquarters of the paramilitaries on disability, where several fighters from arm groups are being detained for years after agenda seized power, promising security arm groups linked to ice, so then i'll kite as well as to where reg rebels from the north or making gains over the molly and military despite the support from rushes of back numbers and every good, this latest attack in the heart of the capital meant to be safe has it brought both fear and anger, dividing the 1000000 people, and leading to vigilante violence. nicholas hawk, elders, era the car at least 20 people have been killed in severe flooding across the

eastern central europe. tens of thousands of people have been forced from their homes in 8 countries. in poland, the old 44000 residents of the southern city of nice had been told to evacuate acid bag reports. the cleaning up in the town of nissan associates, had told residence to evacuate to head to higher ground overnight to do a forensic efforts to build a wall of less $10.00 to keep the boat at the water level seemed to be receiving. but no one knows if the defense is withheld. the joseph rugged months, these brother in law died in the flats. sonya tellico, who was passing by and a call on the wall to started coming in, the car was fine and he got out. there was a very strong continent carried him away power, and unfortunately he didn't make it senseless that some of them austria, romania i'm the czech republic have holding hit. but now, so the vacuum is under the direct with the level of the done youth on the rise.

further along the down you'll be hungry. they are preparing for the possibility of to that in many countries have declared the state of natural disaster calling for more resources that can lisa us, people are still cleaning up their homes. the anger and frustration among some of the residents is a parent. we need to say no body helped us here on our street. nobody came. nobody asked if we need anything red water, nothing 0 helped me. they've managed to get some of the water out of the home. the basement, still, totally flooded. recovering from the subs was take time 13 at the moment a concentrating on defenses. i've had to get food and water. even though the water is beginning to subside, the still a considerable amount of work to do. and people still don't know where or when the flood with hit next. i said vague. i just did all these uh, posing us before we take a break and reset. let's recap our top story. the coordinated attacks across

lebanon, 9 people have been killed nearly 3000 injured. after hundreds of personal communication devices exploded single tenuously. it is believed that most of the pagers will being carried by members of his below. the, there were hundreds of seems like this across the country. this was at a supermarket, a man picking fruit vegetables when his device explodes. fellow shop is running from the scene and appearing to hold their ears and pain. security camera footage shows another man's device exploding in his pocket at a shop. checkout. 2 staff members are hit by debris and run away from the counselor has belong, has called it one of the biggest security breaches since the group was formed. and it blames israel. emergency departments have been inundated with the injured hezbollah members and civilians, and the health ministry appealed to all citizens who own pagers to dispose of them

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