of a series of media lows introduce dr. russia's invasion of ukraine of stifled independent journalism. witness chronicles the near impossible personal and political choices of a nobel peace prize winner and his colleagues in the media organizations final days before forwarding silence of caravan under dogs on now to 0. and this is able to keep fighting. these really means despite its losses. so say senior leaders of the israel announced that the group no longer existed as a military force. and it also says it's increasing 8 new generation size, 10 israel just for him us. this is inside store the

hello and welcome to the program. and bronco on israel as well, and garza has raised for nearly a year with losses on both sides. is where the defense minister, your gland says how math is effectively dismantled as a fighting force. however, the group has refuted this saying it has ample result, says add new recruits and not to mention supports from regional allies of to all nice to yeah, of will is how am i still capable of fighting these really all mean? and what does this mean for the dynamics on the ground in gaza? will dive deeper into those questions and more with all panel of guess. but 1st, this report from axle is our mortgage. the sounds of gunfire and explosions have echoed across casa for nearly a year. is rarely fighter jets, carry out air stripes and troops and thanks, fire missiles and shelves, everyday deductible arises more than 70 percent of those skilled art women and

children. despite is real estate at goal of targeting. come us recently, this really army cleaned the victory over the rock for brigade thomas fighters of the south of the strip. after 4 months of an expensive air and ground defensive defense minister, you'll have gallant, says it's surrender, how much non existent as an organized military power in the gaza, which $22.00 of its $24.00 battalions reportedly dismantled and is rarely. army says it's killed, more than $17000.00 members of how much since the war began. more than half the groups estimated fighting force, but how strongly disputes these reports about the, the up off and the number of homeless casualties is fine lower than what's expected . and the battle of the size of us has the ability to continue. but the science ability today is the same as it was on the type of stevens as in logical because we have survived a year war. in this war, there are losses. people were killed and they would losses on a military level,

but single, tiny slate with load from our experiences and recruited a new generation with ease arose, one cause a has taken a total and the highest level of the groups. leadership is smile on the head of the political winkles assassinated into ron. in july, the same month, mohammed's dave, the elusive military commander, was reportedly killed in an is rarely ever striking garza as in january. this rarely army says he killed the deputy political leader. sally, how duty is laid out despite these reported losses, how must has demonstrated it's capable of fighting back between june and august, is rarely authorities recorded 537 incidents of rockets fire from casa. and even though israel controls old crossings into the strip, how mosque gpi assume are says the group still has apple resources, as support from regional allies. these riley government has stated time, and again, the world will only add when how mazda is eliminated. the captives are released and

goes and no longer poses a threat. however, critics have questioned the effectiveness of its strategy. the military continues to target areas. it previously declared 3 of fighters launching a renewed operations in a north and south of the strip. there was no sign of the word bathing or if in a dream and of a cease fire deal. leaving civilians caught in the crossfire at basic, gaza, a distant prospect. access, i'm gonna reach out to 0 for insights story we have an exceptional panel of specialists today, and i'm on as i am to meet a political activist and all of the book, a mass on written chapters and montville. boeing. we're going to use a non resident fellow at the center for conflict and humanitarian studies. name room, hollow curry, the who is a veteran, that middle east gentlest and the old. the of, i'm us from resistance to regime a welcome. everyone. i wanna start in,

i'm on with as i'm to maybe 1st i think it's a bit of a full side errand to try and figure out how masses military capabilities right now . but certainly, i think we can talk about that political influence, given that they are still a fighting force. they are still in bold in the see spot negotiations is how much more powerful today, then it was pre owned type of the some or well, in terms of the political, the position i think come out is more powerful than at any time before. i mean, look at on the was now i'm us, is seen as the to representative of the palestinians struggling for freedom and for dignity. and i think what time us a goes through today is probably very much similar to the very last year to the very last years of the struggle. i guess i'll talk to the in south africa and probably against american imperialism in vietnam and tons of, uh,

ministry uh, performance. and there is no comparison between the victims and their oppressors. however, the victims seem to begin rallying the world around them and supporting their cause and their address and legit demising. there's tons of our to mow in regarding right now, one of the reasons perhaps for the 5, but i have mass is much more powerful to them. that has been before is the fact that they've managed to consolidate the power into one man off to the death of its meal. here, it's now, yes, yes. and what? who is offensively, the political bureau chief and the military leader in garza? how's that help tom asked you that? i don't think that's a particularly significant issue. yes. yes. and what was already the most consequential leader within from us prior to the assess the nation of somebody in

honey i think you know um yes. how mass has been a week and militarily, during the past year, it has sustained significant losses in men and material. at the same time, it remains capable of fighting and even more importantly, that retains the will to fight. but that shouldn't divert us from a more important question, which is that how much is not just a melissa. it is not just the military formation. it is a political movement which is seeking to achieve certain political objectives. and if we look at it this way, it might be useful to compare october 7th, to the 1958 battle of algiers in which the l during national liberation front was soundly defeated militarily, but ended up achieving its political objectives. or as, as mimi was suggesting,

the 1968 tubs defensive by the national liberation front. and the former uh, south vietnam, which also didn't achieve its military objectives, but did result ultimately in a political victory. i think it's still pretty mature, to jump to similar conclusions. but i think we have to look at this in a broader political framework rather than simply counting on soldiers and, and, and guns and, and missiles. but also having said that, i don't think anyone expected that high mass would be able to withstand a year long onslaught of arguably the most intensive bombardment in military campaign of and since since the 2nd world war and the fact that all the weekend, it retains not only the capability to fight,

but also the political will to fight. i think um, i believe its leaders quite satisfied about their movements future. let me go to a room now and paula, paula, i went to goes and many times pre owed the 7 by soul actually how unpopular i have mass. well, because they want a real governing organization, they couldn't fix potholes. there was problems of elk grove service. they were very unpopular though. lots of reasons for that. the siege is ready. let's age, for example being that the main one pre post october, the 7th. they have become a very strong political force again, and we sold that during the assassination. and the funeral of a smell honey, every single one of the palestinian factions sent at least one person to that funeral has have masses position changed it radically within the palestinian factions within the payload, within the palestinian authority,

it depends on the peer to the face of its history, it's a more than 40 years, is 3 a well before the foundation of how miles in 1987. so it depends on if we consider the peat here the of the transitional on the transition period. the police are both on station and sides of palestine. and that means that 20052006 the elections. but the, it was a popular very popular that not only inside gas by the inside the westbank and abroad, but the specially inside the westbank can be suitable. so then for example, to, but to doing, i mean during this last 17 years, how mass and gas have represented the rules, the power, they administer the power,

the face collab i, and also the military. i mean that the cassandra gates, so we're not anymore. and, and for said, they became a military force and that it's and, and they changed the course of the, it change the old. so the popularity of, of, of how mass inside gas about we have of to run the line that the, how much is now turned in gaza. we are speaking, of course, about the gas up because it's the most important attempt gas. and how may i ask who i'm states and see, but this is not the only one that's a much more complicated, the organization, a political move meant melisha and of idea all of g, a ended changes, it's changes a lot along the history. it's history. as i am a to me, me, one of the real illustrations, all that changed the i've seen personally, was in the occupied westbank, where i sold principals for

a mass post october. the 7th rawlings held by a mass in the, in the center of the occupied west by the central power and the occupied west. by when you sold these pages, when you sold that kind of support, what did you think? did you think things have changed for them? us well, i saw that the scene in cause was the beginning. it's right for the position in the mindset of palestinians is he, you can hardly find a scene in any world and it was who does not dream of a liberated but a sign. who does not dream of returning to palestine and when it has, uh, the mean, the opponents of how most independent scene in the scene. the fact that movement has opted to do piece to, to make peace with these are the ads assigned the also i codes and even to ton

itself and the piano into some sort of a security agency working for these a, these come us inevitably emerged as v a writes spokes uh entities, a spokesman, spokes person, whatever you want to call it. for the palestinians who are still loyal to that gene . the theme of my grandfather, the theme of my appearance, the theme of my generation and the generation of my children and grandchildren of one day seeing that assigned a liberated entry morning. yvonne is a very interesting point here because what a, as i am, is effective. you saying is that they will resistance movements. now they all politically popular within palestine itself. there are an important move in now, but at some point they all guys have to deal with the is right. and that is something that they've done how much doesn't have a huge amount of experience and negotiating with. is that going to be

a problem going forward? well, it has been a problem in the sense that if we look at the period of, of a mass rule from us in germany and effect in and the gaza strip that sought to be both a resistance movement against israeli occupation. and the governing authority and the gaza strip, which required some kind of modus vivendi with, with israel. and i think it was a failure to reconcile on those 2 objectives, which is a large part of the explanation of october seven's. namely that how mass was prevented from governing effectively because of the siege and the blockade um and so forth. and as a puzzle car. deed noted, it did result, i think, in, in significant munition of, of how masses popularity, particularly in the gaza strip regarding the future. my sense is,

is that how boss is not so much seeking to replace the current pulse and in leadership as to integrate into the past in the a national movement and to arrive at some kind of power sharing arrangement through which it participates and decisions. but does not take soul responsibility for them. and this on the one hand, helps from us to maintain its ideological purity, if you will. and at the same time also spreads responsibility for any national decisions that are taken among multiple factions. that would not be how masses alone, and i don't know how the past year has changed things. whether there may now be prominent forces within him. us that do feel that they can and should replace

the po low and seek to establish a new monopoly on the i've seen it political to read us, but from what i've seen, that does not appear to be the case of how you read the you write your book and ask from resistance to regime you took a very close look at how math as a governing body. did you actually take a look at the that how masses, international diplomacy ethics, particularly when it came to is all because the, the level you can, you can really level the charges as well as all that they don't have the political will. oh, experience of dealing with come out. so getting those 2 sides together is going to be incredibly difficult, isn't it? i think about how much the heck um, i mean negotiated with the a through a many times during the war zone gas that for example, from 2008, 9 regarding the, the agreement the on the left sheet and exchange to freeze on us. and also in the

1st 18 years of the history of how much of that with, i mean, not to negotiations about context between the leadership, bahamas and some. is there any need those until? i mean, i mean it's, it's, it's very complicated as a, as a history and especially on the international level, during the history of a, how massive, specially in the last 20 years. there were complex on the international level, on the, with the europeans, for example, doing 20052007 with the americans doing the obama proceed on see how may i also sent a lot of the letters to deal with that my being is ration in order to find a way to overcome or to pass through the seed of the siege of gaza. so i think they have an experience and we see also in these here, new along these here we see that they have experience and not with the western

powers, but with other powers. russia and china, especially a and the regional powers and took in into then caught that. i mean, i think that's a how miles has a not only the ability, but also the experience on the international level to deal with. the problem is to the inside the police thing enable uh, is there any possibility for how miles that's to uh, be accepted in the p as low as this trying to do since 20 years since the agreement think guy doing to us and i'm 5. this is the big question. china, i've tried the 2 recalls to reconcile again the factions, few weeks ago. not so yes, few weeks ago. so we have to see if how math is not ready, because i think it's already about this the inside of the processing and politics

come uh, so we could join as melinda, bonnie said, the cook joe and, and national non unity as many inside the processing and adding a asking, as we've talked about this before, we talked about the fact that the palestinians really under pressure to unite. but every single country in the world has political divisions. political divisions are just the way politics happens. but when it comes to the palestinian cause this would unity is binded around a lot. what do you think of that? do you think the it that needs to be unity or simply just needs to be a political landscape of just cooperation. and of course ideally, uh it's good to have the unity among the palestinians. but the other thing is we have really never united at any time because they always have different visions. and this is a problem, the division between fund and how much is not over,

who gets what is not over loot is not all the bodies is actually over a vision. and unless the, your are they, they become part of the united vision. because if i be united, how much has another, uh, the 10 down a goes out invitations or offers to join the law or to have discussions about this. it's the other sites that has the problem. the other side, once a p, o, that synchronizes is the right to exist, and that uses and also d, that actually serves the best interest, so the occupier rather than the occupied. unless this is old, it can be that it can never be success. they had thoughts in cairo, they had folks in assemble, their thoughts, indoor, ha, that those everywhere at the door, those, those thoughts uh, what or always beats with, by who,

by the eighty's and by the americans. so the partners in the ceiling. i thought i'd be more and ronnie, one of the things that we kind of, we really do need to talk about is this idea of palestinian unity. but where is her last and all of this, when it comes to negotiate and deals with negotiating, a real kind of unified government and is it stronger right now or do we need to go back to? well, as i was perhaps suggesting the palestine liberation organization and dismantled the palestinian authority cuz it's filed. well i, i think the key issue here is the uniting the various pos, sydney and movements with very different visions within a single political framework. and we have that before with a p o. where for example, the fact that movement on the one hand to the popular front for the liberation of palestine on the other, had very different and arguably irreconcilable on visions. yet they co

existed within the same unified political framework. now, as far as the feds and how mass are concerned, if we leave before that bus and the policy limits already out of the equation, their, their visions are actually a much less dissimilar than many people presume. and the key issue is about uniting them or bringing them together within a single political framework where they coexist and co operate and share power and, and participating in joint decision making, regardless of their differences, which is quite different than the situation we have now, where we have 2 rival factions contesting had gemini over the entire political arena. it's paula. i want to talk about the future now. i'm asked to

point, oh and that says a can still recruit people, but 42000. how the standings have died in garza, i learned let's leave leave what was happening in the occupied west bank and gaza alone. that is going to make a new generation a lot tougher and a lot more angry when it comes to joining perhaps is going to be him as to point. now it might be a know the organization that is going to be a lot more tough to deal with these israel, you know, really just backfiring it strategy is just creating a lot more angry young men. surely. i don't know if the seller wants to create to many more angry men and women and children. and i think that the objective, the goal of these are our lives. another one, i think it doesn't have the vision to. i think that to what is

going on, what the ways are least doing on gas is right. the color i assume the palestinians be um, what do you think is that a is that that that goal is that the expulsion of the listing? and so not that around like the radicalization of listing. and as far as i say, understand the problem is what the police seeing and so we love not to learn about . we do sorry, panel. we all want to get the story. probably we all running out of time and you've made it very interesting point and i want to put to the other guess. let me start with this. um, is that what do you make of that? the the is that perhaps not going to be angry, women and children, and women and men going to join us to point, are they just going to be expelled from the policy from palestine from gauze? i know i'm gonna have to start looking the less of them then, and now i go the uh, the rally in my, um for the funeral. uh,

of the uh, your damian, who cut it out and operation on the limby crossing. and what is happening at the moment is the, is not just galvanizing that the cdns is go finalizing the wall of the out of the muslims, the support as a freedom around the world. even the young jewish students, young men and women who are of jewish defense, either on american campuses, on the campuses, across the world. and they are waking up to the uh, this uh, uh, nights may have called zion of them. so this is all the working of these are the kind of these really leadership trying to far as i all running out of time. and i do want to come to mind devante because you make a very good point in the low end. is that going to be a mass at 2 point? oh, that's going to be so much tougher than a mouse right now that these raise will simply not be able to handle them because of what they've done in causal. i think that's

a fair comment. and as i look at the, the um, noted at the beginning of this program, we also have to recall that how mouse is not just in the gaza strip. it's also in the west bank. it's also in lebanon. and in fact, everywhere where it's where there are significant concentrations of positives. she also said she believes israel's agenda is one of expulsion. i think she's right, whether it succeeds or not. we'll see. but if it does, i think we need to remember how the contemporary posted, the national movement 1st emerged. it emerged primarily in the camps of exile. and it was only really was also that it began to relocate. that's leadership, at least back to palestine. so whether palestinians remain in their homeland or are expelled, i don't think at the end of the day, this is going to significantly affect their determination to struggle for their freedom. uh thank you very much for that and thanks to oh i guess as them to me me

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