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supplied westbank, storming and shutting down houses here was bureau enrollment. the truth must be protected and heard. and the stories of real people must be told. this is not just an attack on journalist. it's an attack on the world's right to know. journalism is not of coolant or pressing it's or is rather in his folder on the verge of old out rules. these randy ministry. a salt in lebanon is the most intensive decades. benjamin netanyahu, who wants to change the balance of power in the north tenants, rather cheapest by phone party. it's in a book. this is inside store the hello again on james bay's after nearly
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a year of exchanging file with his bullet lebanon. these right, the military has expanded its offensive no longer all the hostility is confined to the border region and the intense campaign of as strikes it's targeted, $1600.00 sites on monday alone. israel said it was hitting his bowl of military positions, but homes and buildings across southern east and lebanon were damaged and hundreds of civilians, including children with killed. the armed group responded sending barrel, which is of rockets into northern israel. most were intercepted. global condemnation has been quick and severe with growing concerns about a rock wider regional conflict. so could international pressure make a difference or is the middle east on the verge of an old out we'll, we'll explore these questions i'm all with, i'll get to the moment. but for us, this report from, for the a call with thousands of bonds dropped on hundreds of civilians killed. the largest is ready, assault on lab, and on since the 2006 for the
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the 1st as try to get the size and eat. on monday, these ready military said it was targeting as well as sides. but the bombs destroyed civilian buildings. something it was quick to justify for over 20 years, since bella has deployed its arms inside the homes and militarized civilian infrastructure. as a result, this is valid terrorist organization has turned salesman lebanon into a bottle, from the hospitals, already treating thousands of people at the last be to turn on communication devices or back to me to coach with a new wave injuries seems all too familiar after 11 months of bombardment in kaiser take this morning seriously in the video address, prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the total ebony citizens. israel's board was not with them injured. what was has
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belie, please get out of harm's way. now. that message came as the destruction was well underway. hearing for their lives, tens of thousands of lebanese civilians are heading north. the roads aren't safe, is ready. jack obama has pulled out positions on the main highway 2 bedroom, the . the army group has promised a bottle of reckoning, fire and hundreds of rockets that on the basis military, airports and the munitions factory in northern israel. hostilities are the latest nearly a year across the border exchange of the fire. as the law has repeatedly said, it would cease attacks if israel ends it's for on gaza. but then last week, prime minister netanyahu expanded the war, going to include the return of the 60000 is raised to their homes on the north,
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on. shortly after that, thousands of pages and walkie talkies exploded killing dozens of people and attacks has the leader hudson, as well as says, crossed all red lines of us, special envoy, most hochstein has visited the region several times in recent months. while the white house talks about easing tensions, it is also reaffirming its support for its ally. you're not to say, didn't put any pressure on this right? because only verbally is where i can easily ignore advisory. so even threats as long as the company to buy deeds were leaders, have called for an end to the conflict, but after almost a year of war on gaza, increasing violence and occupied westbank. and despite the threat of retaliation for the run, it's real strategy seems to be to flight on rather than de escalate. and as in gaza, it civilians and 11 on who are paying the highest price. pretty car,
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which is 0 for inside story the. well, let's bring, you know, a panel of guests today, all of whom have extensive knowledge about israel, lebanon, and palestine. and joining us from a root aim and my honda executive director of the severe casea foundation and organization, the advocates for media freedom and democracy in lebanon and paris cream mark d. c. and associate professor the american university of bi route and co host of the put costs back the street, which focuses on middle east news and politics on the brussels, elijah mcneill, a luxury and political analyst who's covered the region for more than 3 decades. thank you for joining us at this very difficult time for 11, and i'd like to start with you. i'm on because you will, the in bed room will come to the analysis in a moment, but it's you will hometown. how are you, how you coping, how your family and friends i'll give you the same answer i'm giving sol friends
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are asking where physically. ok. but this is where it stops. we feel that we are, or we are on our own. the lebanese people are on their own, nothing was prepared, nothing was ready for us to deed with yet another tragedy in a country that has been suffering for so many years from now can only collapse from the report exclusion and from levels of risk management of corruption that's our and then it, in addition to the decision to drone up in, on, into a war without consulting with any loving is citizen. so in this complex, we're seeing tens of thousands of people on the road for 12 hours. whereas the government has been telling us that has been working on an emergency plan for 11 months. it's gotten to them finding some shelters in some public schools. and the medical system and the hospitals are trying to help,
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however preferred this goes way more than shelter. where are the lars, where are the shelters? nothing. there are panels, but there are no shelters. and the humiliations of 11 is people fear because of the mismanagement of their own government because of his bottle of dro driving them into a war. and because of the criminal attitude, we're crimes perpetrated by the straight is put us in a very, very difficult position. and i cannot see how we can be other than physically. ok right now i cannot know what the answer would be very soon. dream you also live in bay route, but right now you're in power. so if you wanted to go home, you couldn't. right now i've been listening to a pod costs you had been feeling the worst for some time, but look in 24 hours over 500 dead. is this worse than you could have said? yes, i mean in the sense this is as many are saying this was the single biggest death
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toll since the civil war in the 19 seventy's and eighty's. so it's, it's, it's something unbelievable. it's something even from a distance to witness it to see the pain, to see the suffering it's. it's all too familiar on one level, but the same time. it's incredible and just mention the lack of preparation in the government, but i might add the total lack of comparing it to the, the, or the total impunity that is really to have on the lack of proper international response to try to rein in this way at least in which the u. s. in particular has full capacity to do so. and in fact, many of i see that the americans have given the green lights for this kind of destruction. so it is unbelievable to see the scenes, the pain, the suffering. and that's the most important thing is to stop this immediately, elijah, let me ask you about the scale of this. are you surprised by the scale of these riley bombardment, the death told in 24 hours. so about 500 people. that's almost hoff that died in the entire war in 2006 that last it 34 days in
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2006, i was a bit rude and da here in the south flapping. and i've seen the war at the war every single day. and its consequences. this for a is a little bit different. i'm no surprise of saying 500 plus people are being killed by the 3 days because the authorities have a very high s k, the inc. kidding civilians. we've seen that. i mean, guys, uh, when in the past 3 to 4 weeks, they came to the system. i think they between 50600 people and then grabbed them. they were a big pull, massive part of getting between 400 to 300. and now the numbers between so good to 100. therefore, when they grade so full of do you guys a weapons and ammunition. these really is to have become much more aggressive and
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they have a higher capability of conflicting more damage on the civilians. and can. busy civilians because the warning that problem problem in this step in their mean that's, yeah, gave by saying that people in the garbage oh garrett, have me sorry that between 8 to 11 meters, it didn't give really an impression. unplug the population that happened to know what these really is way of climbing full. unfortunately, they all have to say, this is only the 2nd day of the campaign way. these relays have gone 3000 and thought it and was standing way before who is read. exhaust for the experience with objectives that are between 10 to 15, thousands of and i'm, and let me ask you more about the people that have been on the move already. there were a 100000 people before the slightest escalation had been displaced from the south in recent dallas, no one is counting, i think,
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but tens and tens of thousands of people. you've already said that you have condemnation for the liberties government for the lack of preparation. but what about israel's actions? do you think this displacement crisis on the mass fear that is created may actually be part of these riley disruption and destruction strategy? yes, absolutely. i mean, what are we expecting from this history? the government, after what we've seen and gaza assess behavior as an indicator of future behavior. we can definitely expect doors. and what is the strategy? the idea of the, populating the south of lebanon under the car, as a response to the population of the north official. then what's of these people eventually will come back one day. and again, the tenuous line between who is the fighter who is a civilian, who have someone in the family who is also close to his below is something green that's part of the fabric of the society. and for so many reasons,
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regardless of one's opinion towards any of the actors involving this crisis of the same time. what is, has been less strategy, is it enough to keep the population of northern israel outside their homes enough to claim victory? whereas this war isn't fixing damage and destruction, and that's on the lebanese people. what is the strategy to go back to the 17? 0, $1.00 as if nothing happened. then all of that, all the tests and the cook people throughout the last year and never know should have been avoided from day one. then what does it mean? you mean the thing has valadez has nothing that will not happen. i mean, as the way not exceed or accept the israeli conditions, what will happen is a grand bargain between powers that have nothing to do with the lebanese people between the wrong, between the united states. bargaining of so many other things related to the trust board in the regions related to the nuclear program, probably at the expense of lebanese life and processing in life. dream. let me ask
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you about israel saying that it gave plenty of warning to everyone. they make phone calls, you probably sold that slick video. prime minister netanyahu is certainly a p all man. he said for too long his bull has been using use human shields. once this operation is finished, you can come back safely to your homes. trouble is website, the video was broad costs. the bombardment was well underway and the civilians who it was probably a game that were already carrying in that basement. so fling for their lives. who do you think was the real audience in israel? an international audience? i think it's clear that it's certainly not the lebanese population or they live in these audience. it's both it's, it's really the international audience in the sense of trying to put in ahead of time in some very, as you're saying this kind of very, a typical kind of p i is really trying to try to say ahead of time. look, we told people to leave to any civilian that's killed in the meantime. any child and a woman, any civilian that's killed,
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or any civilian infrastructure that's destroyed it's on them. it's has about the fault of slipping his fault. and it's even those that are diag. it's their fault as well. so of course this has been a little trick. we've seen anything guys a, we've seen it in fact, the whole business called a da, hey dr. which was during the 2006 when they've destroyed civilian populations. ostensibly to try to get to military targets and they've been differentiate between civilians and military targets. that's in 2006, we noticed something 1982 invasion when they did exactly the same thing that destroyed large parts of boot. as a way to say what were going after power send in liberties fighters and the fact that the massacre, lebanese and palace thing is along the way down to date for them that was part of their doctrine and their policy. this goes back to 1948. it goes back to the birth of zionism and it's in its practice in palestine. and in all the words that it's conducted. it does not differentiate between civilians and military target. what has changed? i think this is the key point. what's changed is that in the us and the american
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allowing it to do so with impunity without even pretense of following international law, without even pretense of trying to put in some kind of legal constraints. some kind of political constraints, nothing. we know that the words coming out of people like anthony blinking and to buy them and all the others. this is just how they are. we know this. we know that certain death and you know, came back from the us to see months ago, understood that he has some form of green light to do as he wishes and lebanon to expand the war. and to try to achieve some kind of political objective and level know that he was totally, it was that it is really is were totally unable to do in gaza in the palestine more widely. just one other point i just want to make, which i think is really important for this conversation, which is a larger historical contextual point. this is not a button that then you know nothing, you know as a war criminal, he's a pure man. this is well known, but this is the larger it is about as well as a state. it is about the way these ways i've always acted in palestine and outside
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the palace. then you look around, they occupy sylvia. they have, they, they have control over large parts of the sign on egypt. they have, you know, they have occupied lebanon. there is no where to, to deal with this way, at least unless it's on their terms ads for full surrender. so the idea that this is only a nothing you know issue is it's not, it's a large is really historical. it's really problem, elijah, you had called him the talk about the da. he had doctrine, a very grim name, describing a doctrine off of the southern suburbs of bay route that they flattened in 2006. you are military on the list. tell me your assessment of how much damage has been done. test bullet, not just in the very much recent escalation, but also often this week of attacks exploding pages, exploding walkie talkies and then efforts to take out the leadership. the military lead a trip of his ball a test of. busy a following,
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the dangerous subsidized operation has been allowed receive the damage to this kind of communication system. however, 90 percent of hezbollah communication system is why is it is not why ever it is people on the front and the pick up by the end and solve for them and then do not communicate to the page or, or i come at the $84.00, but they communicate through tables that are connected over the entire the job you're going to happen. secondly, the item is more or less the same them the difference is icon can, can contain a larger quantity of explosive, grating, more damage. but because of a lot, by that time, immediately you go credit of these items and this is why the number also directly was reduced. so for the communication system, we've seen that has a lot to authorize your modem for the 10 days. immediately after the start of the
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dodge. that took place, nothing has accepted the central command. they've been in trouble. however, the key at getting get brian my key, the head of the ridge on full so is was different. no, because the immunization upset or commanders, there was one fall. so this special pulses has not being and all not engage in the bottom for that out at 11 months, only to miss on unit the sho medium as long right. besides the units that have been engaged, still engage us today in the special forces. the know when to across the board, the top. therefore nothing has changed even if the head was major, but that has been demanded and used. training for base royal today, as we have seen the car go by re add a just a few hours ago. it means that is ryan has managed to impose it's
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a new replacement any need and it has belong. busy ever, he is in be rude in the sub to be rude in the big and you know, he's going to be assassinated. that there is to you, a psalm of that, that these relays have introduced in this whole, the larger and larger and larger quickly in terms of, of, of what his bullet is falling into israel. most of it seems to be being intercepted . does his bullet in your estimation have much more and it's optional it could use and that's only the beginning because in 2006 we've. so we've seen the data. how those, these really cheap of stuff. and i'm a very easy defense minister saying that they have destroyed, which has been lost capabilities in the 1st 30 days. and the defense minister provide the j for the shuttle now we have given was from day one,
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we all got on to the fact that the said that it was bring back to 20 years. now what we have seen, according to the available information page, right. and managed to destroy a large number of the warehouse and the above the ground. everything that is under the ground disability and that the long range beside the mid drain. besides all the games in mountains, and they focus in k to positions. and they have not installed it. and what is the last all these really exhaust all the solve aids and the banks of objectives, and have a nice and introduction to bring back the murano to each people because it is part of a nice population. it is part of the government and the bottom of that needs to, to, to deliver needs population. there is a representing them and also have being forced to be displaced by showing that is arrives when seen the pain. okay, let me bring in, i'm and i mean, israel stacy,
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the aim for this war and we can discuss whether they're all the aims. but these ready to cabinet updated the names of the war and cause that happening to defeat him off and to free these, right, the captives, they updated it on the 16th to the site to return the residence of the north, safely to that homes and your estimation time they do that with power or will they need if that's the rony aim to to, to start a ground operation. i'm going through experts. we know that previous attempts to buffer zones, even when they lost a decades, didn't necessarily protect these 3 the soldiers or even it's very, it is inside this room. so i will, i will refrain from commenting on minutes reactions. but what i truly care about is the safety of people in love and on. and it's really fun for his bullet to believe that by firing blown rage besides,
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after israel has exhausted it's bank of objectives would boost our more of what would boost our moran is a complete the end of this work, the days a complete the ceasefire. today, accountability, today, lebanese people need to know why they fighting for is it to eliminate the part with the pressure on does not well, it has not happened. is it to bring people back to the south of living on the opposite is happening. is it to protect the lebanese people from being killed by this rate is the opposite is happening. this is what should be our focus. is the war protecting the people of level? okay. um, do you think that the state to the aim of israel is the reason that they are doing this? i put a couple of things to you on these right in the public last total confidence and then military on october, the 7th. is it trying to regain the confidence in these really minute treat to be able to do right? the public to, for the ability to protect them. and also is that
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a purely political motive in this for these riley prime minister? because if there is a peace deal involving goza, then each combination probably collapses. yes, i totally agree. i mean, it's really all of the things i think the, the state of the objective which, which will not be met. i mean, these manners are not going to go back to the north anytime soon that it doesn't really matter what goes on in the coming days. or even weeks there is no way that these in settlements that go back to the north. that's not going to happen. so there are of course, other objectives. i mean, yes, the military wants to restore some kind of, you know, it's, it's reputation in some way. but of course, this has nothing else political survival, it is always been nothing else political survival, that is the most important thing for them to send, you know, and everybody in the world understands us and knows this very well. so, but there's another, another issue which i think is important, which is i think they're trying to go to, is valid to respond to that, to try to get the run to respond as well. to open up a more,
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an even bigger regional dimension to this. and draw the americans in to in that time on the right, i think this has always been nothing. yeah. was goal is always been a goal of, of many people inside as well. and so many united states to kind of get to finish with around one central or at least to degrade them and degrade, degrade their nuclear capabilities as they are, as they keep expanding. i think this is part of the team i think met them. yeah. it was last, i think they even with all the attacks and all the success that they've had technically with the pages and all of this, i do not think that they've had a big strategic advancing and so far, bombing from the air will kill a lot of people as we've seen, but it was not a cheese, the political or even the military objectives in any time in the, in the, in the and soon. but one last thing just to correct the thing. i think it's important to realize that what has butler is stated objective, which is said from october 8th until now has been a ceasefire and goes there. and it's important to remember that this is connected is impossible to separate 11 from 1000,
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no matter how many times people want to try to do this, no matter how noble that effort might be within lebanon. this course is important, but realistically, they are interconnected. this way and is occupied 11 and they can say that attack live in a well before his butler was formed. so they can be like the game and in the end, because you mentioned the us to the us full months of being saying there must be no escalation to be telling all the sides restraint, diplomacy. and then after cool between these right, the defense minister in the us defense secretary off of this latest escalation, lloyd austin, the defense, actually the us, his spectrum said secretary austin expressed a support for israel right to defend itself. they've gone back to the basic talking point again with all, well, the does now gathering in new york and, and many of the western allies don't share about us position. do you think there's an opening right now for diplomacy? briefly, everything should be done by all allies of love,
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but on the car in the united states or other you one right now true to discuss this whether differential europeans, other arab states, but also um everyone. basically this has to happen. my point is to always find our responsibilities 1st before finding the planes on other school. we know our war criminals when it comes to this, really a government or completely accomplished with the 3 the genocide. and that's the case of the us government. my role is to talk to my government, to the people who are a comfortable to me as an ebony citizen. the fact that the lebanese diplomacy only woke up yesterday by sunday, the prime minister, after passing the lebanese budgets, with a lot of faxes on the lebanese people just yesterday, at the cabinet level, waking up and flanked to new york. whereas we have been represented by a foreign minister who was doing nothing by firing butts, pirating, as well as one liners. this is a full link for the lebanese people. now is the time for the lebanese government to
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wake up to its responsibilities, to mobilize its networks, not only to beg for money to maintain their usual habits of corruption. it's not, or never, this is happening in the u. n. right now everybody's there now is the moment $411.00 on to start to step up. otherwise the destruction would be much, much bigger than everything we're afraid of a i'm and sign q and stay say sign $22.00. 03. i guess who been joining us today. i'm in my honda karima, dc and elijah magneer, all teams are on the ground in southern lebanon and in by route full coverage continues here around the clock with analysis to alex, is there a dot com? remember your comments and suggestions are welcome. you can go to a facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. or you can use x, the former twit to the why we are at a inside story, or we back here very soon until then for me, james base and the team here in the place. they say bye bye for now the
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