to charge the rise of the s no really just state from an interior of proxy to an indispensable by light of the west and examines how the lines drawn to design this project global. impunity. the big picture. how is room one, the west coming soon on the jersey, the world leaders, me to the united nations. as tensions in the middle east are running high. this consensus on the need to restore. com, with no sign of the conflict of faith who is able to enforce a peaceful sacrament and can diplomacy really succeed? this is inside school. the hello again 9 james bays. the united nations general assembly is underway in new york. off the almost a year of israel's war on gaza. world leaders are still talking about an end to the

conflict, but with the largest is really a cellphone, lebanon, in decades, and the death toll from is ready bombardment of garza, growing daily pace appears to be as remote as ever. but us president joe biden is among the voices cooling for a cease fire. but all the leaders have accused washington of double standards. the u. s. has repeatedly blocked efforts at the un security council. the rain in israel . meanwhile, it runs lead to say israel must be held accountable for its actions. with the growing risk of a wide regional conflict is the un able to fulfill its mission and avoid an old out . we'll, we'll go to a couple of guests in a moment, but 1st this report from, for the account and i believed america. i do look forward in his final speech to the united nations general assembly as us president joe biden focused on israel's war and gaza. now is the time for the parties are finalized as terms bring the hostages home is a suffering and godson and, and this war please for

a cease fire after months fail negotiations. nice. the also spoke about these rating military assault 11 on the most intense hostilities there and decades, or hundreds of lebanese civilians have been killed. hundreds of thousands of fled their homes this week alone, full scale wars, not anyone's interest. payment or situation is escalated. a diplomatic solution is still possible in support of its ally, israel. the us has used it's un security council vito to block several resolutions demanding a cease fire and gaza other leaders the keys bite and of having double standards. so i know that those who are supposedly working for a seat by in the front of the stage continue to send and munition to israel so that it can continue with messages in the background. but must, what do you have to have all going well do the responsibility for all consequences will be borne by those governments who have toward all global efforts to end this

horrific catastrophe. and have the audacity to call themselves champions of human rights, become 11, and was also on the mind of the un secretary general x, who changed his speech at the last 10 minutes. we should all be allowed them by the escalation, lebanon is at the bidding. the people of lebanon, the people of israel, and the people of the world. i cannot afford lebanon to become, and not because a lot of lots of other leaders brought the focus back to guys, us. and then i took over the whole shot. but for the latent progression, the falls, the palestinian people in the gaza strip today is the most barbaric, heinous, and extensive aggression violating human values, international conventions and norm. so my credit, i knew there had been more than a 40000 fatal victims, mostly women and children. the rights of defense has become the right to vengeance . it would have been just away from the un meetings on the

streets of new york protest is called for israel to be held to account for it the tax on living on its war and gaza and its campaigns of occupation and violence in the west bank. but the palestinians have wasted time and time again for the global community to take action. and that for decades, israel to allies shielding it from accountability. few will have reason to hope that this time will be any different for the a car, which is 0 for insight story. well, let's discuss all of this further now with today's guess, and we have here in bo ha, by some head, the director of the middle east, and this lennox studies program, george mason university, and editor of jetta leah online magazine. in new york city. how be brought to the found the baby report, a website that features,

investigative journalism in lebanon, and in the junk, instruct uh, its lawrence university of washington d. c. brown for new can senior advisor to the us program at the international crisis group. he focuses on ways of reducing reliance on military tools in foreign policy. thank you very much. all 3 of you for joining us here on inside story. i'd like to talk about the current situation in a moment. but 1st, maybe have a, let me take to back to recent he is, and israel's recent complex. and i think i'm right in saying that there was a sort of window for a mil attraction. israel was allowed to carry out its objectives for the time, but then as the casualties mounted to the point, international condemnation was so much that the un security council forced to cease fall. why did this not happen this time? well that, that last time it took, it took many, many days of killing as well. you know, i mean,

i think our lives don't seem to be very meaningful. so that's true. but it was in 2006. it was 30 full days. we're coming up to a to a yeah. what is different now? right. you mean in god's and not just loving are well, i don't. i mean, i think this is one continual is really as ready, warren bombardment, i think even though it's on 2 fronts. true. yeah, i mean, i think people believe that this war is being sanctioned by united states of america. everything i'd states of saying that, you know, they're working to de escalate. that makes no sense. they are the escalating, well providing weapons. so of israel is meeting, israel has no accountability, israel has there's, there's nothing to rain, but man, i mean we're watching and off as israel just does, whatever it wants, whatever it wants, any kind of weapons, any kind of the civilian casualties. clearly, you know, power does not like and united nations security council when it comes to israel's actual israel has clouded, you know, dozens and dozens of you and resolutions over the years. so, in lebanon,

we have very little hope. in the un security council resolving this, we know that the powers are behind us, the ends of united states. uh, saturday, b, iran. these are the big powers out there that really control of it on state and, and out of the rest of the regents. so brian, i mean in terms of pressure on israel and israel is the country, it seems, well, this country doing most of the bombardment, but also it's, it's the country that hasn't accepted that gauze a deal. it seems. a problem is investing yahoo is a hold out there. why isn't the us being tough with netanyahu? well, does it say something to you about president biden? well, yes, me, he is the ultimate decision maker here. and thus far, the president has refused to use the very powerful central leverage. us possesses military support to israel, as pressure on israel to try to finally get a deal that will bring about a ceasefire and gaza, get the hostages out,

and call them to enter the region included in the north with his blah and in the red sea where the us is still fighting an armed conflict with the who these present simply refuses to use that leverage. um, why do you think that is? i mean, i look back at j biden's history, a long, long career as, as a senate and involvement in phone f, as any spoken is it of a deep rooted love, the israel in 1988 to look to the click where he said whether nothing is real, the united states of america would have to invent one to protect a interest in the region. well, i think those deep seated feelings are certainly a part of the story. i think the, the shock but still obviously moves the president of the attacks will cover 70 preferences these atrocities in his speech, the internal assembly. i think that really does drive a lot of his policy decisions even to this day, despite you know, almost a year's worth of carnage and gaza and escalating tensions throughout the region.

this is not brought to the present who has sensors and not brought him up. the course correct. the bus um i had at the beginning of the conversation with a senior european diplomats and i think this person was pretty pressing because they were very pessimistic about the chances of diplomacy this year. and the reason they gave me was that the us media were going to be completely preoccupied with the election. the us administration, some was paralyzed because it's an election year. do you think that's a significant factor in the list? i mean, it's good cut both ways. uh, it could be something that is weaponized in order to demonstrate a fierce loyalty to israel, to which we have seen, people trample over each other to compete as to who is more of a close friend to israel. and it could be a liability in the sense that uh,

making the wrong decision not being tough enough or potentially being a bit too tough. could actually cause problems for those making those claims. given that the lease is extremely close and it might come down to a small number of constituents that might sway either either way. so i, however, think that it is not a structural factor. it's not a factor that is going to change things very much. gibbon is rails and you do u. s. relationship and the u. s. is insistence on uh, continuing to way to this genocide along with israel. so how be, how much is this about missing yahoo? because if you read the us media, they make this case that he reportedly is repeatedly a show, the us that he was going to do things and then renee's on them. it doesn't really care what the world think. so the us things is that your view of the dynamic? oh, do you actually believe of the us?

well, the likes the way or some of the us administration, like the way things are proceeding in terms of the strategic position in the region . oh, definitely. we have seen us congressmen saying that they are happy with these attacks . so i mean if you know the united states and israel for better or worse, they share the same. and it means according to, um, you know, their, their terrorist list and that kind of thing. so united states has actually collaborated with israel bodies times in lebanon and other parts of, of the region. so this is, you know, we don't really know what the us role is behind the things that could actually be, you know, collaborating intelligence wise, or whether it's really military. i think that all the claims that united states is making the time that i was making should, should not really be acceptable to this is the media war. is our propaganda statement of the, the escalation, we know that the real, you know, the, what's really happening is, you know, tens of billions of dollars of weapons are being dropped on, but on palestine and gaza every day. so no i, i don't think that this is also about nothing. yeah. who either. ready is about the

structure of is really state and his rules, occupation of so many people and the humanizing way for so many years, including love and on including all palestinian areas, all the pilots and refugee camps. i mean, this has been going on for, for decades. and decades uh, you know, love and i was attacked under a different as really prime minister. you know, i who the hallmark. so, you know, this is, it's not really about nothing. yeah. well, this is about the kind of a settler colonial design is expansion and state that has been operating and destroying places all around us, all around my life, all around my city in my town for my entire life time. and there is, there's been no company, almost, i've never seen in history 2 countries where they will never disagree. united states will never criticize it's real, billions and billions of dollars are being made to. it's also economic story. this is big business. this is jobs for american factories making new palms. we don't really report on that. but, you know, there's many, many reasons why,

economically and politically. the united states seems to actually be supporting this war and, and, and, and it's plain as day if you can just look at the number. ok, let's get to get your take on this problem because you work for the international crisis group, which is a international think tank, but you used to work for the state department. you understand how, how it works. what's your take on this? i mean, do you think there are some in the administration, even though the administration publicly says there is a, the parameters of a deal with regard to garza and all sorts of plans. they have full peace with regard to the new or do you think there was some that actually like what is going on and think that it suits the us strategic interests? no, i think most of the people of ministers in the even though senior level recognizes that the continuation of the conflict in gaza. the escalation in 11 on and the fighting and the broader region and getting including in the red sea and government

is not in the interest of the united states. if there is a strategic imperative for a ceasefire, there is a humanitarian imperative that things are. and frankly, i think the wiles may even recognize that it's some degree that there is a political imperative boost to start in terms of just domestic politics. that this is not helpful for vice president harris, but there's really not willing then to take the, the next step, which is to recognize that the us government needs to do something to bring about that. so as far beyond diplomacy. because our, our diplomats and very skilful to apply to putting a billboard and the director of no director of the ca. and i've been operate with one hand tied behind her back because they are not be able to use the leverage afforded by the vast quantities of arms ammo and military material. the u. s. provides israel if they're not able to use that as leverage to bring about a deal to. okay, but some of you was seen in recent days, this expansion to, to lebanon,

and i know you and by some have family in lebanon. so i'm sure you're thinking a great deal of them, but it comes at the same time as a world leaders meeting happened to meeting the one week every year when the majority of world leaders old in the same place in new york city, one off to one going to that podium in the un general assembly whole and we've heard, well, they've been saying i'm, it's been that could company of voices of will lead us terribly strong comments. terribly strong condemnation of israel. it is, i think, an important snapshot of global opinion, but do you think they'll make any difference unfortunately, if the majority of the states in the, at the u. n. were actually of, i knew what, serious, wait, we wouldn't have seen apartheid south africa. continue on till the ninety's. we

wouldn't have seen the fraudulent and brutal invasion of the lot take place in 2003 . and we certainly wouldn't have seen the continuation of israel's military occupation and illegal settlements and the gamut. uh which i will not be here happen. so unfortunately, i do not think this will actually effect any serious change the toilet effect. buster, it will affect this course. but at this point, when all of these things are happening, we see new shipments of arms going to israel from the united states, of course. and we see a, an insistence on quote unquote finishing some sort of a, a job. i don't know what that is exactly. a lot of people would guess, but i couldn't conjecture and i would leave that to another conversation or question, but i do not think that this is going to be consequential and somebody can come and pick you up on the, on the one of the examples of you south africa, i will submit the case though to end deposit, that there was eventually an international consensus. i do listen to all of the

speeches in the un general assembly. even president biden is publicly saying that needs to be a c spa and the escalation in the north. don't we have that international consensus? um, unfortunately i do not think we do because the word international uh or international community has always been defined by united states and his friends and allies. and these groups of states, whether or not they are making proclamations for the country, have been firmly in the cause of the state of israel. and it's government, dennis items that they have not actually been able to make anything of a structural or concrete decision. uh, even we're not gonna go back to the air of states, even the arb states have not been able to do like literally anything. most of them are not the overwhelming majority of them. so much as you know,

pulled their investigators or actually create some sort of a uh, unified front even if just the square assembly. so i do not think we have a similar situation. and the kinds of interest that are presented, perceived or real regarding israel's connection is real as alliance are a little different than those with south africa to okay, how be many of the leaders we've heard speak at the podium say, you know, obviously they're talking about the appalling death told in gaza and 11 and 11 and, but they say this goes beyond this. they say that this is destroying international order. and they talk about the double standards of the us. present biting on ukraine. keeps talking about the rules based international load or the how much damage do you think is being done to basic things. international, humanitarian law of the un charter, the geneva conventions. and for that matter, the us is global reputation. you know,

uh and loving and people have become very cynical about these things that are palestine as well. there. there is really little belief in this international order . we know we've, we've, we've lived it for years. so we've seen that demo 3rd. so the idea that there is some kind of, uh, american values or democratic values going on here, you know, it is just a great method perpetuated in the media. you know, you have to look on the ground and see what's happening. and, you know, we've, we've been through these un resolutions, we've watched these speeches, but we know that the majority of the, the countries in the world do feel that there's injustice. we know that most people do feel that they should end. however, again, that the, the, the, the, the, the, no one can match, no one can face up. so united states and israel, though it has the power to do to fight them. only small militias in the region are fighting. the only through her body is real. so, um, you know, it is quite a depressing thing. it's, it's hard to believe in human rights international law. when again, there's been just thousands and thousands of resolutions over the years that have not been agreed to. and you know, israel,

it has the blank check. israel has apply and check, that's how we feel in the world. and that's what it seems to look like. there. there really seems to be nothing to do but just to wait until as real, as it's done. and you know, it does seem like a lot of the language here about targeting amounts and hezbollah target. this is, this is just propaganda in many ways. there's no way to verify that any of the things that are being hit or actually have audits or hezbollah target, what we do know is that, you know, 100 half a 1000000 lebanese or squeezed into small roads, you know, desperate for their lives. tear is a, is a mass scale terror that is being flicked on the people of love and on that seems to be the objective, the objective of the, not israel seems to be actually, you know, destroy hezbollah, to destroy him up. and you know, and if, and if it takes us drawing love and on and, and, and gaza and the west bank that's, that's actually, you know, considered, you know, acceptable to many american politicians. so i think the world needs to wake up to this met of, you know, a man in leadership or the escalation or any kind of power of the united nations

assembly. because we know where power lies our lives with, you know, those who have the biggest guns, the biggest funds and are making a lot of find a conflict was making a lot of money for the economy and western countries. and we don't really talk about that enough fund we have the is ray, the prime minister is twice now delayed his departure to new york, but he's supposed to still be going there and possibly speaking on friday, he knows the un while he was for 4 years and the 1982 is the ambassador to the un. yet since october, the 7th, the un secretary general antonio terrace has tried to place a phone call to him repeatedly and nothing y'all who hasn't taken his his phone call once. what does that tell us about nothing yahoo, whose view of the united nations and the countries of the united nations will de pinion well or not settle about his disdain for the

un general assembly. and oftentimes that the you in itself and senior you and officials, the lease and netanyahu. um, you know, i think we have a better sense of whose opinion he regards to the important, based on his appearance before the us. congress is response to the invitation by republicans to appear before the the, the us congress. now he understands where power lies in old. it's washington, not in total bay, not the united nations. and so as long as he has the backing of the white house has the backing of congressional republicans in particular, he has a license to disregard the views of the, of the vin number of states to the moment we have a situation was, but his bolo, say, that they won't agree to any deal that doesn't involve

a cause to cease far as you know, nothing. yahoo says that he wants to seize 5 deal. that's what he said publicly, but he keeps finding excuses. doesn't t bus. i'm not to have a c spot deal because we think that the, that if that was a ceasefire deal, his coalition would collapse if you were in charge of us diplomacy right now, how do you untie that? not what to start with if and if i were in charge of us diplomacy, i would be fired very quickly. let's, let's just to be clear about that. but beyond that, we are talking about a policy that is not the decision of the moment. this is a policy that has existed for 50 some years and it is not likely to actually change any time. so when i am not really looking for the us to actually make a change right now, certainly not before the elections,

certainly not with the current is randy government though. others rate of government wouldn't actually change the us position. it was just change the discourse. and i am much more interested in the breaking point that would actually lead both of us in israel to step back. at this point. we know that it on and has beloved would prefer to avoid an all tour, but they will not hesitate to enter into one if they must is right. along the other hand, fears that such and all tour would be unprecedented and how costly it would be given his beloved new age, new weapons, and to all areas of israel. however, as rim is actually also trumped, it's isolated globally. it's no longer as invincible, and certainly it has lost a lot of that sort of image up and been submitted in terms of its army. it is also severely compromised in waves that are not discussed so much. and that is in terms

of its actual, it is on depth of being a safe haven for choose which very ideologically and sadly, israel is actually the most dangerous place would choose in the entire world right now. so uh this uh, idea of banking on the us, the changes position is actually not going to go very far. okay, so let me just bring it unhappy on that. on that point. i mean clearly a, something very big happens on november. the 5th briefly is coming on how it's going to be any different from biden. and what about trump? i mean, we know trump is being very friendly with nothing. yahoo, but he also is a pretty vain man. i think keeps talking about wanting to win the nobel peace prize . what's your view on one of these leaders and how it could change the dynamics? i mean from the, from the perspective of those in the middle li, if there is no difference really between bided and parents with the campaign,

they both pledge you know, to have the most legal military to, to support israel with billions and billions of dollars that by the administration, as a democratic administration, has probably given more money than israel, than race and republican administration. so you know that this is, this is, you know, it seems that this is an unchangeable aspect of america and on charlie white and i'll try and quickly, i don't trump, you know, trip, trump will definitely do to do more of the same. i mean, trump has, as you know, a rhetoric of being more, it's not my phobic maybe and more racist in his language. so that's also bit inflammatory. it's very hard to weigh the to we, we know there was, there's a wish, i hope that there would be more to american politics than, than the same, the support of apartheid and a genocidal state. unfortunately, we haven't seen the evidence of any more diversity in american politics on this issue as well. thank you very much. all 3 of you for joining us today to discuss this on inside story. all guess what about something that i'd be brought to

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