on was just a camera admits the chaos, but determined to document witness presents an intimate portrayal of conflict and survival. as he looks back on his own shocking archive. tongue does diary libya's decade to hold on just the scenes of jubilation in the new the cap to the areas of couple. and so that is ami made games against elementary wrap. it support for says this week, but there's been more fighting in the capital. so what we bring it on to sit down is complex and what's the regional port out? this is inside sort of the hello welcome to the program hashim. a boss to dance army has last major offensive

in the capital. horrible man has regained some ground. it now controls we bought and bridges in and out of the city, but to have a fight and continues is central helpful. for complet has created one of the world's biggest humanitarian crises, sedans. army chief says, the problem is a full says it's been fighting must withdrawal before that is base. but there's a lack of will from both sides of this when you're fighting, be the spot that's in phase the region. we've got to august show to the 1st this report from i'm so sorry. on thursday. so down capital woke up to extra likes and shelling of the army, a tough part of military positions in and around costume operation to regain ground . it's lost in a 17 month country. the rapids support forces came as the head of the army of the for the i believe han expressed the un general assembly in new york. little han

said, besides depended on the office of laying down the toms when you put them 1st and foremost, put an end to the whole state of dc. the militia must withdraw from all the 80s they cut and occupy um from which people have been displaced. they must lay down their weapons so the people coming to their homes and assistance can be delivered. sit down, plunged into chaos in 20232 years of to put onto charge in a ministry takeover. long similar intentions between the army led by both han and the artist, fled by more month hum than dug, little known as hemmed t let to st battles and come to the fighting, then spread to other parts of the country and for months some of the worst funds has been in the city of sasha, the capital of the west, and not the 1st state. the un is urging difficulty concert to take measures to protect civilians is el paso pools. we believe there is

a high risk of ethnically targeted violations and abuses including summary executions and sexual violence by the rapids, support forces and allied militia. the conflict has caused the dia, humanitarian crisis, which tens of thousands of people already killed and millions displaced. do you want is wanting a foot wide spread, simon, on a scale not seeing anywhere in the world in decades. there's also an outbreak of diseases including color. there's your pin comes with preston called on research. come please, just stop sending homes to sit on your product is to proceed. i ask the question, who are these 2 generals that will without external support on the delivery weapons, must stop. if we can stop this conflict, if we want to now is the time to act and implement the process of reconciliation and pieces that just needed to my to get thoughts led by the united states and

other countries have so far food to stop the fighting with the army refusing to attend talks and switzerland last month in his un address, sit down, saw me chief accused countries in the region, providing the all the stuff with financial support, most movies, and put a cover on the ground as the violence escalates, sold us the suffering of civilians and of course i'm sure he's on to see the inside story the, to this man, all gas in your cold, highest founding director at confluence advisory. so that is a think tank in cairo. is that for the, the executive director of the so that is the think tank for correct for studies and development and in geneva, the federal case couple a full not united nations resident and humanitarian pools. and a task force is done. welcome to the program. who don't let me start by asking you

about the latest be the 2 developments on the ground. do you think that the push by them are made to take over her phone? is a significant development in the events in sit on. i think so far the most significant thing about it has been the timing. it was time to coincide with general time speech of the united nations. and i think even though he's been at pains to show himself as the president of the civilian body of the summer and council, he's actually use the military means to, to press home. that message, you know what one would have hoped that he would have actually opened up, for example, rooms for aid or even some of the bureaucratic impediments to aid or principal some kind of, you know, a time for life saving rather than necessarily just admitted to offensive but of course, this is integral to who he is. he is admitted, she come on that. and this is the most significant press and to call to invest significant offensive. we have seen from the south so far, the question i think on many people's minds as they have seen this before in

february and march, and cheated the same. but that was short lived time. they turn it around this time, the southern you have been gearing up with a lot of weapons coming in from a friend of the states. um, so they are probably in the best position. they have been for a while to make something of this. but even this morning, we're hearing that fighting is a little bit quiet to so the extent to which this is a flash in the time, rather than a change in momentum remains to be seen. as i do think that the army has all it takes to dislodge the all the stuff which has huge control over massive areas incident i think the, the, the, the, normally the game for this floor here is all right to back halting the very beginning of the 2 ends or in other areas. these are going to come through false periods in the for, which is the phone and dying. and right now he's on fashion. and in some areas you make disease and sounds and all supposed to find

a way that we can all the fees the border, especially the borders of solace, is obviously more digging back or we gain control. and the same thing here use in cartoons the 16 specifically in the us in buying the utility items. because in the starting season, see that the hottest deals for the uh, booty over tens of thousands of civilians in uh in the highlands. and i'm going back to actually digging back these idiots in cartoon. has a significant, i'm thinking is a good assume duty and us, they've done. and i think that's why many bro, all of us, if it's the media and uh, there's or how it just defines the needs of each is about how it was stopped in the past 2 days to be some sort of phones. obviously, if anything. okay, maybe. oh boy,

you know, get a message to the indian uh, b. c a and uh, trying to uh, source, uh, 3 gaming control over the beach set according to the ccds office and it needs cover talking about it. so they have an attachment aspect of a story. let's take a closer look at the humanitarian situations, the united nation says more than 18000 people have been killed since the conflict begun. lost ya, it's forced more than 12000000 people to flee that homes to 1000000 most. do women and children have escaped to neighbor in south so the child and libya, some 500000. internally, these base people invisible them camp have been driven into the timing conditions on and off for that have been reports of mass killings and displacement. recently an outbreak of diesel skilled, more than a 1000 children on floods have also created the conditions for color. with around 11000 cases reported this via lucas. you have this humanitarian

situation. the atrocities committed on the ground, the price, the civilian prey, paying across the country. and that still have the same time to get a sense of that. this is a forgotten war. doesn't seem to be really helping the agenda of the international community. does it? well, i think it's, so i'm not sure it's, it's a baltimore, i think of that would be to have getting familiar directions, a point to service. and these are being talked about in the top cities around the world. the problem is that the people do not appear to have any solutions for it. so they can make the we can live meant the statistics which were repeated under the confusion which is evident. but uh, the solutions are not sure every good. and the meanwhile, i think the, the needs of the people's obviously underestimated. in fact,

the number of refugees is not as great as it shouldn't be. if one you a couple of 1000000 have got how that means that there was more, while the wireless 1012 millions have been displaced. i think we should have many more people getting up in the field. therefore, people having obstructed from finding safe places and the to warden bodies are affecting a, going back to the men a very little age is getting into the country. so that's a situation that's kind of the solutions here. so how does that keep play as in this complex all the image shift of this up to how to go on and the us of lead to had meant to do you think the positive and it's alicia or the future or that for a solution to take they both have to go, and then we have to, you know, when we think about the south and the are assess, we have to think of them as entities. well, just the, the, the tickets who need them. and i think that's also been the mistake of mediation

that they have, the focus over the on just time at the end will time. mm hm. but we know that the staff isn't, it is a national institution, even with all of the problems that it has, it will need to rep. they will need to be as an ami, into that. they will need to be as a nissan forces and some description. there are a set, there is no legal basis for it other than the legal basis that i'm at it, but she is of the former dictate to put in place. but right now the r a stuff is shown, but it is not a, an entity, but it can be a part of a peaceful sort of future full. so that doesn't have a governance time that has been committing atrocities left strikes, incense a is effectively doing exactly what it has been designed to do, newt poundage matter. so there's no way for the recept have a gauge of what could we offer it to the sending these people in a post contract dispensation. when it comes to the ministry, there are some serious reforms that needs to be put in place. and the extent to which incentives on courses is willing to actually make a commit to some of these reforms really remains to be seen. but i think that's

where the pressure is for the army. and the um, you will need to remain. but what does need to remain on this guys with this leadership? i think the only song for me is it called i'm said, deuced believe there's still a potential for a face to face meeting in the future between the 2, top, the actors in sedan to put an end to this bloody complex or is it too late? the question is, why should the mentor as fluid say, all isn't just sauce on an empty p. c, i'm not in dvd was basically, i think there is a weakness. guy is skin things are going to strongly on the understanding of what these artist, excuse me, question. he came in the head of some sort of going to be going to need to see over these tools. sawdust is more of a bowl and be sure a lot of different media issues that are 5 being for movie got big and improving. are you currently holding by buddies or benefits of that and i think

was more important piece. this is the meetings between geneva seen off, it's off you, you to be this bit because this for the continued to the continuous support, which also gave me this to the hardest. if was ripples, just last week i'm doing on the i'm doing that is done by the meeting with mohammed beans. the way you have sent to begins with equipment from the city of boss damning equipment to the airport tied to the continuing and z our pennies on the continuing. but if you will, or against the continuing to support orders if and condition that need to do as a warranty. to that, i think the mediation haven't been completely and scar d p and trying to give us a u e r o v. as in particularly in geneva,

which lead to soften on the box would be the onset more of over. as i said, i questions honors if need to feed ibp too old for us. it's for seems drones to go mean to jamie going, which means that you need evolved into or a look at the backend and 90 is useful firsthand what international inaction can lead to, particularly the masika in the one to and then into a 1000 for his thoughts or to re 5 a alarm about the genocide in the full and you were shocked that no one seemed to care back. then do you see i repeat of the same scenario now because as long as this will continue, is the potential for more and more civilians to be killed across the country goes higher and higher by the day a oh absolutely, history is repeating itself. the doctor, there's plenty of evidence they are assess the well, the direct defendants,

the gun to read an invention under the change was inducted by the international criminal code on the, on the best suited these on the policies are all to defend. and so the original on the sheet that i like to the because of the off base are set for implementing the 1st genocide of the middle of the military. and so that there is no doubt. and our goodness accounts are coming out of china though. say that many of the techniques of experience is also coming across the border are really more or less the same that the i saw and business there 20 years ago. so we talked to that just as an accountability. i think the history is bunk to the beach and that's why also i agree with the kind of the, the, these are just con to really be part of the future. uh, because, uh, i think,

uh the dnc for that purpose. having said that, if i cannot, while the book directly on the on quotes is on the, on the bottom of the 3 r r a. so don't forget the whole to other on doctor's, we have the espn and the sauce. and uh, and finally the move up mountains that in the original version of your domains under way, there is some kind of resistance also going on. and then we have other, um groups all came in the, in the new uh back against our ss. so its very confused to picture, but um, on the water it's important to have besides the 2 main actors. i think the country is more or less fragmented in ways that makes the whole problem and the solutions much more complicated than sometimes we think to hold the general hand spoke about the regional interference. he was refusing to really a strange relations with united out of and the rest, but we're talking about a complex where many key players have been stepping in full geo political gains.

now. is it possible to still solve this problem politically without addressing the issue or regional interference? you know, not at this point. i mean, i think the more of this will continues, the more the proxy elements will become, will have primacy over some of the more domestic elements. and when it comes to the role of the next to our apartments in particular, that has been very well documented in the way that it is healthy, are assessed to take over lots of parts of the country, but also to come in a great many atrocity again, very well documented atrocities, at least in the past 18 months. now, the cities are close as it is, of course, also being supported by regional axes. but it's, it says they were trying to justify this by saying that they offer that to them and government in any case, as far as the sydney citizen is concerned, they are now effectively quotes between all of these domestic entity that have

these large amounts of financial and ministry support from the region and the extent to which the student needs solutions for this conflict can be found. the more the proxy elements come to the full will be very, very minimal. so what needs to happen right now is international commuting very quickly. make sure that it really works together to cut tail the implements of for an accident, particularly united. i remember it's now a lot of people to sit down with watching the hog between the m r i t president haven't been side and us present binding on monday and thinking to what extent the us can now be a neutral orbit. so when it comes to peace and sit down and so, you know, all these companies need to be very careful of the ways in which they engage these countries. they have to be engaged because they have positive problem, but how they are, okay. what's the point of the which circumstances in which a pressure leverage is key to this conversation? of those who took to the streets, celebrating that doubtful on the bus you hoping for a fresh spot in so that

a vibrant democracy now is looking at the country is dragged into the most terrible, devastating war led by 2 gentlemen. an army general who doesn't seem to be keen on genuine political reforms. and a warlord who is adamant of a need to control most of sedan. why does it leave the millions of the so then he's been not talking about the do not be a happy dig. this 3, the standard rate is affordable for you to think to is the domain which you fall? what's happening in 2019 was a guarantee at a glorious moment in which is this. even these people fall against the machine and a lot of including that don't come on board and get on to establish a new boss of photos. they've been to the and the address to the scenes are gone and still on 2 nouns. the article things that i'd slogan, claims is for me is

a better sense of leisure to this bar. and this is to, uh, the only right solution i have is the only sort of using, actually, for, for this was a hardly mean deleted form, you know, way that we think it's going to suggest that i need to do these insights a better tom's auto, if needs to be completely the spot. most of them right now, they are probably because they, i'd say it'd be in the list of times the business of assessing that needs to be balance of an accumulated be visiting historical interest for what are we going to need the symbols, the argument on auto is basically, how abrupt seem easy, all fussing each other. so it was saving a bit, she was doing his dom own nonsense being how many beans i for around the driving have a lot of bonding and hasn't how's the interest inside? so you got broken, involves that may be a bit, is that they often and just within he's be born, it's always that he will accept it. so going on, i vision of you can see by you

e and for those that can be viewed to him as a war or me, how to save as after to or and that's uh, that's completely not acceptable. i have a 2 point, one minute boat that seems to be seeing more piece of if it does a do ation, you know, the function we are looking at. i'm only doing side only is the only has already and i many can the arms that are sent to the u. e. l. as in use of being used and these gilly called was talking about 202300000 pulse of our i'm for people that the witness figured being killed before in 2003200200412005, we are moving this happening again while we are talking about talk to the army, you're saying the community, you need to talk to them. you need to work together on

a heat stroke. seem easier stubs or, you know, flushed the cache, the battle of the faster when and if it happens is definitely going to be a decisive moment in the conflict that go to domains the only one or 5 state capitals in the vast off for region. yet, in our assess, the hands of the international community has been very concerned in the past human human rights organizations, baby in the auto set for committing atrocities against the particularly the boss on it. a try. you've said in the past that this time you spend to golf for say to perception, to live for reality, but particularly admits genocide. and you decided that from that moment onwards you would do whatever it takes to tell the world. don't let that happen once again, and it's happening in different forms and the differentiates. but then again, the 3rd mortgage. why do you think the international community does not really seem

to be willing to be hands on when it comes to this particular issue? well, i mean when, when i go back to be a duffel genocide of 20 years ago, i had a competitive situation now. today is part was the question that i knew was a motor, very big town. that's the place i'm not sure you see now is actually of, of a modern city or with the big buildings and such like the ways of committing welfare and general size. i must moderate bonds nowadays. then there were 20 years ago because the means of making was that much more sophisticated, the population risk is much greater for population. so i've expanded under the external that didn't slid in. both of these have been, many of them have all but much strong capabilities then to hack in those days. so when we compare the present to the past, i think it's very important to say that it is the repetition of the past. it's far

as far worse. what that old to me, and this is my point, that to the means for stopping though this is also much more difficult. whereas in my time, i could get a security council resolution that i could get african peacekeeping. a tooth on the ground and the international criminal court, reporters, and so on that, that happens remarkably quickly. today, this is not happening. i'm just, i'm likely to happen very fast because i still have to this conflicts are that much to move forward and they're trying to do the other no, no, to unfortunately the it's on, i'm not sure that any solutions to this a boss from external intervention in a mass ok, which of course no one thinks is going to happen. and so i think the full of sales with some folks, folks, that somehow we're going to find some easy solutions to the problems i have and also cover all of these opportunity. we can give you some, uh, short answers, hold on when, when behind says that, um,

they are set on an occupying force. there's no peace with them unless they pull out from the areas they controlled. is he hinting that from no one was going to be admitted to option a 100 percent? i mean, i think he's always the getting rid of the r as f was a minute, was a through a ministry option. we haven't seen through the past 18 months. any movement, really, any change from that position, but similarly we haven't seen anything from the are set to indicate that they are seeking anything other than a ministry resignation themselves. so where does the space as it needs to be? and i think, okay, not a no in the country, do we sit at the moment and flash it where it really doesn't matter at this point. you know, sort of that who gets how many inches in which direction the issue is if at 5 full we know that genocide, atrocities are going to happen, we have seen this 20 years ago. okay. so last year and that, and we know that this is where we're headed. i'm is that if the all of us have whole ground fighting would flare up to a point,

$1000000.00 people left the neighboring 2 neighboring countries. chad egypt saw so then to be gone to and if the up you and the potential for that number to increase is likely then of a before we bracing for another wave of a humanitarian does also. so then the whole is all just because the median product is or is just because of that, a city causing the human gary and again, this is deemed as a lateral in the also the unit you cause you eat a die that this thing called the ins and medium of these were all morning the water the, the morning is the price is good morning. so it'd be this. there's been costs. it'd be just human getting dr. trimmings in the last year. because the come home, a diety, the ones that you eat for holding this means when it does okay. and that will be dealing with the as an option, or act as a, as a full,

as far as the piece. very dr. marcus, i see the united nations humanitarian council been very critical of the army and also all the audits have. however, the government rejected to the united nations vice report, quoting for arms and ball, going to expand the ice age of a selection. what was your take on this decision by the government? or? i think it just shows that the a government or what did you call the government is not committed yet. think that it's going to be amended to solution in all this. and meanwhile, there's talked about how the security situation is broken all the way political suggestions broken, but we're not being, you know, somebody who mentored inside the condition of the rep who does that sitting in the, in the, does that st. john or the for the way they different talk, these are treating the refugees, we're lucky enough to get out from savannah into egypt or, and those don't. therefore, if you look at even the humanitarian side, then you,

you wouldn't be monitoring system, you know, is not doing enough, not to, to my, to the us system of, it's not too much of it. okay. so we don't have political solutions yet. let's be honest about it, but i do not think we are doing enough to, to save the people downstairs or the inside the country or outside the country so. so that's important to understand the good, barely. what do you mind me tell you from what the public is comfortable i'm said for the the pay of hotels had i really appreciate your insight and your contribution to the brother looking forward to having the same conversation with you in the upcoming days and weeks. thank you. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just see that the com for further discussion goes all the facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside start or you can also join the conversation on x. i'll hand there is at a j inside started for me, i shall have by the entire team here. endo hun bye. for now, the,

it is really forces seek to silence the truth and be occupied westbank storming and shutting down houses 00 in ramallah is targeting of the done is are using, he has a few minutes the ceiling of done it as well as seen in donors live and he's done it is, does he like doing this? it's another example of journalists not being allowed to do their work in this concept. big waters, me that doesn't list the text. everything is being undermined by government entails here with every 3rd grade to tear with use of to that address even to authoration has read. journalism is not a crime for pressing. it is upon causing the cost is rails war on guns that has damaged its economy cannot afford another war with level $9.00 . but 11 in itself is in a deep economic crisis at a war could strain its resources even further,

plus confinement as the case tom fixed the purchase economy, counting the cost on i'll just say around the israel and issues a nice, a massive ass strikes on southern beverage, the ministry says it's been targeting science belonging to hezbollah. the i, my name's say, this is all just there. a life from the also coming up, people in the back of body, it also waking up to more strikes from his room. it is time to face the truth and the truth is listening to me, i always stopped unless this government has stopped.