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a lot of chaos here. they are worried that there's going to be another product with detailed coverage defense of smoke continues to fill the air here as rescue workers pry and take out 80 survivors from the house of the story. in total, these really all mean currently say that they've struck about $800.00 targets. they're using 3 waves. the middle east is pricing for further tension off of the killing of his fellows. meta iran says class, and as well as assess the nation will not go on a vanished does that mean a direct tool with this route? this is inside the hello again. i'm james base is bold, still reeling from the killing of its long time lead to how sudden this rolla is
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the group is morning, his death and weighing its options. israel is carried out most strikes, killing another of the groups, top leaders. he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu argues that they assess the nation of nestor, all that will reshape the balance of power in the middle east. and he's wanting to run his well, his main back uh, the israel's military can strike anywhere in the region that it needs to ron, his valid retaliation saying is route will regret his actions. but beyond woods, what does this mean for an already volatile region? we'll discuss all of this without pamela guest to join us in a moment. but 1st this report from a custom series focus on visions, month. the killing of has been nandita, has in this room from 11 known to the occupied bestbuy supporters moon. the death of a man on the city to use of his leadership, transformed the group into a regional force and became a global figurehead and p as one of assistance the in the wrong test
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as chunk get to is when i met them. yahoo! supreme lead to, i have to look, harmony was among the 1st cletus to react, promising to avenge maestro louse assassination, even more draw headaches. heavy to us, i get it as the strikes of the resistant front on the worn out and decaying body of the zionist raising will be even more powerful. the fates of this region will be decided by the resistance forces has blown up. the hit on lets say is well has challenge it on by killing the hezbollah need to. so for the rainy and leadership has refrained from retaliation to the assassination of a seniors of huge movie golf commander in syria, or it's direct to events. the killing of must be to respond honey a into ron in july is really problem. mister benjamin. netanyahu cold and this room, us killing a historic turning point. maybe not just a flag. we have settled accounts with someone who is responsible for the murder. countless is riley's a many other nationalist from other countries,
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including hundreds of americans and dozens of friends. and those are all, there was not just another terrorist. he was the terrorist humans who the say natural law step has strengthened, the empty is run resistance. and the last one was a lot of them and you, many of forces. we continued to respond to the crime, some of these really enemy, and we not hesitate to raise the level of escalation in defending cause that unless one of the unprecedented is wiley attacks that killing us. roland baby who came shortly often nothing. yeah. who made a defined speech at the united nations general assembly, promising to continue is really a tax on hezbollah in lebanon, and her mos in casa, as well as options have been criticized by sub for leaders in new york. we are at the brink of a major regional, more even neighboring countries that long ago entered into peace agreements with israel are on the right months pressure in the system. that situation is worsening
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by the hour as well. and hezbollah had been exchanging cross border funds since last october of to is well began its full on casa violence. escalated 2 weeks ago, after 2 thousands of pages and walkie talkies exploded across lebanon, killing separate people, and entering many others has below. and lebanon's government blame is run for the attacks. now, the killing of natural law is blazing fios often is really ground invasion 11 on. okay, well done or should be this not over get his velaz through his capabilities. even now l pilot, so striking his beloved tear infrastructure throughout the been on is really as far as have continued since friday. displacing thousands of people and 11 own custom. this real us killing has transformed an already complex regional conflict and how yvonne and other nations we at would have major implications for them at least from
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a consumption eve punches 0 for inside study. that was a great deal to talk about. so let's go straight into our discussion today and let's me talk guess in doha miran, come rob is professor of government at georgetown university of capital and had to write new studies at the arab center for policy studies and research in durham in the u. k. robert guys, pin folders, electorate durham university, and also of the recently published book understanding territorial withdrawal is riley occupations and exits. and in calgary canada mohammed, osh is professor at mount roll university and a policy analyst at i'll show becca published a new policy network. no problem, let me start with you. we're trying to make sense of what's going to happen next in the region. the problem i think is there are so many things we don't know. we know the nose rhonda is dead. we know the other t lead is
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a dead we does though. know about his bellows come moms in control. we don't know how much you, it's vos arsenal of missiles and drones, and the rest has has survived intact. that's the problem with this discussion, isn't it? absolutely, uh, in fact, as you mentioned, there are more unknowns then there are facts that we're aware of. and importantly, we don't really know how his body is going to react. will it exercise what the rodney is called strategic patients or will it to try and seek revenge for the death of its long time? and the very influential leader i think, will the next few days will be quite revealing in terms of the course of events to come. well, how did i mean you could say that's a mess roller is irreplaceable, but his bullet going to have to replace this man who's been running the group for
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more than 30 years known for his political document. and it's most of strategy. and one assumes one basic point is that whoever takes, i will, will follow his basic strategy, which is a strategy of resistance. i'm with that with regard to this current conflict, but he made it very clear that he was not going to stop the attacks on his route until the fighting stopped in gauze at linking the conflict in lebanon and the conflict in gauls was as one more effectively yeah, i mean i would be shocked if whoever takes over his bell. uh, would it move away from that position? um, obviously someone looking us at our lot, the replaceable part was his christmas. uh, let's be frank, i, i understand his strategic thinking and a mastermind and all of that, i believe those things can be replaced in fact, but his career isn't that will be very difficult to, to, to replace. he managed to speak to people from a wide range of backgrounds,
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political ideologies. a, you know, a views of the world. he spoke to people living in new york as much as he spoke to people living and very rude and southern 11 on in, in palestine and beyond. because of his career isn't as in, in his communication skills and his way of communicating at, you know, his analysis of the region in the dynamics. the so i think that part will be hard to replace for his beloved. but we, we will see at the previous gets mentioned, it's difficult to know where things are right now, but i, i would be shocked if their fundamental position on of, as on palestine and resistance changes any time in the near future robot. let's look at this intelligence failure for his bullet because it is astounding. really. this is a man who didn't make public appearances. didn't use the telephone security around
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him was so totally tired. remember a few years ago that going to one of his press conferences in the southern suburbs, they were terribly tight security. and then when you go in there, he wasn't even bad. he was on a screen answering the questions from us report is because he didn't want to be in any room where he could be a risk and tell us what you think about the intelligence failure and the sort of capabilities that israel clearly build top here, where they technological, where they actually intelligence assets where they spies in his bowl as comp and your view. well, i think if you look at what happens here, this is a case of hezbollah. underestimating is rather than the way the israel underestimate that her mouse and not lead to the october the 7th, the tax. and indeed, i think that probably influenced has the bullets thinking here, v v as well. they sold the israel, didn't see october, the 7th coming. they sold a massive intelligence phase and probably made his real look. boy, it's a lot like a paper type, you know, the is what his things. but it's intelligence agencies. and they either didn't see
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it coming or let those warnings and basically ignore the warnings of that was a mazda attack coming. so as were promptly so all of that. and so hey, you know, what is we, you know, a scared is the most side as we might be because of what happened there. but actually that was a mistake because it was at the spot, but it's really hard to hold all of his resources into monitoring hezbollah, to penetrating his blood, to compromising his blood. that meant they ignored him, ask them how much were able to commit those attacks on october the 7th, which led to us that occurred escalation the we see is in today any intelligence operative will tell you that you know this, this mit of an oil. seeing intelligence agency is wrong intelligence agencies, like any other agency, have limited results as they choose when to pull the directions from political leaders and from military leaders. and since 2006, one of those is really easy if you like, have been on, has but a knocked on her boss, and that is hack israel montes to carry out some of the reason the attacks that we
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see that has black, every single opportunity underestimated as well, that would be a tax on the pages. and then the next day, the talk to the movie toby's has blue didn't throw out this, won't get to gives us incidence like the commander of the read one unit being in a page or explosion coming out of hospital and the next day, calling a meeting of the senior about one come on is when killed by israel. so it seems that each time is past the listings, but you know, okay, israel has used all that secret weapons. we cannot carry on with businesses as normal. and that is a mistake that miss rhonda paid for with his life us now. um when we look at this routers at the time in charge of his bullet proof for more than 30 years, he was not even a thing. pretty pragmatic. i'm pretty cautious and careful in his decision making. is there a possibility that they'll be a new leader who actually is determined to exact revenge and could in
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a short term actually be more dangerous israel? absolutely, that's always a possibility. but as you mentioned, hezbollah particularly under nice letter and as well as leadership, has demonstrated tremendous uh, pragmatic street, uh, that is unlikely to change the, remember that his will operates within a broader context of lebanese politics. and we all know 11 on is a depress it. this of implosion. unfortunately it has been there for some time of it's tremendously high rates of unemployment under employment. basic to basic services state services are conspicuously absent. and so i think hezbollah is in a situation where it can be able to afford adventures. and no matter who's calling the shots, so i think circumstances would necessarily mitigate against adventures.
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and at this juncture robot, let me pick up that point. i mean, we don't know what has survived of what we believe was of aust austell that his bullet has isn't the veteran argument up facing the new leader is blah when that person is elected by the sure to counsel that this really intelligence is so good. we bought a used all stuff before it's destroyed. yes, that's why i'm, we just don't know how has we'll, we'll respond. but at the same time, it's hard to say it has to go to actually launching a sustained and strategically calculated campaign that they've lost so much of that senior leadership. they lost also thousands of bikers from these page or more. he told the explosions. and if they don't pay, they haven't been killed then they're probably not able to actually operate in a combat scenario because of injuries for them to the eyes. uh oh, to that hands i,
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i'm the, as the previous guess mentioned has, but it's very much constrained at the moment, is constrained by lebanese public opinion and a feeling that you know, it feels like it's kind of on the ropes here and doesn't want to invite israel to basically launch and all that war 11, and there's a consistent, i'm roy beer. the, what happened in the goal is a strict could happen in lebanon on zillow. so i think that's probably a voice is in a run into around is this debate between radicals and will motorists with the motor is saying, for example, at low don't like israel goes into a regional war and that's what i'm asking you all who is pushing for that because nothing you all who wants to come out, try on but, and say yes, what type of something's happened on my watch. but i've managed to create such a new regional reality. the is what is most of keel. i'm more of a hedge a month than ever before. so i think that's probably the speeding of, of caution in iran, and indeed it has been the, i'm right for me. so if you said to me that a few months ago,
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the israel might strike iran and might target senior range in the design side. there's absolutely no chance of that happening today. i'm not, so i'm show, there really is no telling how fall is what is willing to escalate. the current situation. they feel like the momentum is on that side. they feel like time is on their side. and i think the next potentials that would be a grand and base to love it. and i think that will be disastrous, but lebanon. i think you could go very, very wrong for the idea of the lat hezbollah to recuperate and recover their image . but i think unfortunately, an escalation is on the costs of 100. let me ask you about it. ron's role in all of this iran had a regional strategy, a mass and has been a part of the excess of resistance with, with a to t pillows of that strategy. and both of seriously damaged and degraded. now, does this mean a real loss of power and influence for around in the region? it certainly seems so at the moment, look,
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the balance of power is firmly on israel side, militarily, politically and economically with. of course, the active participation of the united states and their imperial project in the region is the, you know, the iran is not capable of winning a war against the us. it's not a capable of ending is rarely central colonialism in palestine. as people know that i know the discourse sometimes that you know, of course, that this was coming from get ron and from the resistance movements will, will tend to overplay their ability and their power to, to, to stop israel. but we're seeing that that the reality on the ground in terms of the balance of power, still firmly and israel's favor. and at this moment, israel is using its political capital to its capacity and maximum capacity is using its military and economic power. it may not to a maximum of capacity even in a know,
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a significant substantive portion of the capital and, and iran is not participating in this, in terms of joining in as a regional in the regional more precisely because they know that they cannot withstand and assault by us israel alliance. and so i do think that there, uh, you know, power in the region has been a delta blow, but it run also plays a long game and you know, more on it is we can speak about this better than i can but, but they play a very long game and they understand that they're a strategic a vision is one that needs a long time to develop it so. so even though they've been delta below here, a my guess in my feeling is that they, they believe, but they can recover from this over a long period of time, so long as things don't escalate even further. and that's why israel wants to escalate things. um, in my view, we keep say, but nobody wants to regional war. nobody wants escalation. and that is true it,
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but i believe it's except for israel. israel is the one that actually thinks that right now is the moment to strike. they have, like i said, use their political capital to its maximum capacity there. and they, they think. busy right now we're, we're in the dumps in terms of our international reputation. so let's, let's go ahead and try to achieve all of our goals now. and then worry about rebuilding our political capital later. so i do think that these are, these are pushing for, for an escalation, pushing for a regional more at a run, understands that that would not be in its favor. and hence why they're still hesitant to engage in that matter on you. uh, someone who has studied a wrong for your into career. i want you will take on how you think that iran is going to respond. now you heard the honda talking about a long game. it was back on the 31st of july that, that is right. the attack was carried out on is mail, had the iran said it was going to respond to it still hasn't responded to that one
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. yes, exactly, and i think as mine that just mentioned iranians play the long game and uh, in their view they're actually making headway. now let's remember that from turnarounds, perspective, the axis of resistance is meant as a deterrent against is a. it is meant so that the next war is not followed on iranian soil, but is fault outside of your on. so whether it is in the southern 11 or in yemen or wherever, where a bronze adversaries might be. and so the way 10 rod sees it is that it doesn't necessarily want to engage in is a, in a long uh, or in a head on collision. but it wants to inflict on is a death by a 1000 paper cuts over time, but little, narrow, lower you've already,
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you've already had the suggestion that perhaps is where i will go a stage further now and directly attack iran in an interesting message on x. the former twitter from jared cushion, i used to be the chief advisor to his father in law. donald trump, in the white house. he said, the reason why need to facilitate, has not been destroyed despite weak air defense systems. just because his bella has been a loaded gun pointed at israel, then he goes, bears no, going back for israel. they cannot afford now not to finish the job, they'll be hearing those sort of messages and tear on. i'm figuring that they're going to come on. the direct attack for me is ro, any moment tom bay? well then what would they have to have those? yes, yes, exactly, but that kind of rhetoric is nothing new. your audience. i've heard it before, particularly from figures associated with the trump white house, so the romance had been prepared for that. now if it actually comes to that,
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if it's a or if you're wrong, gets the sense that is a is going to actually a taxi wrong. then i think all bets are off, but for the time being, i can't imagine it wrong falling into a trap. that is a has been trying to lay for it. for the last several months. robot, what do you think israel is going to do next regarding the war in the newest. there might be people who advise ness and yahoo! you, you've got to wait and hit talk, stop your war and goes to stop your war and then in the north. but there's political calculations for these ready prime minister as well. um there are members of his cabinet sites. they want both schools to continue. yeah, look, you know, as, as a security studies go if i was an adviser, these ready government, which isn't, might need to happen any time soon. i would suggest that. yeah, exactly. you know, you've had these successes, your own and you know, you're on a high,
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basically take the all from agree to is the spell it and then things of it. but i just don't think that's how that's when you all who was thinking at the moment. i think that's why he knows rama is now a deadline because he underestimated. and that's in yahoo. you miscalculated here. he thought that netanyahu would agree to a cease 5, but he could still do this low level of professional, was there in the northern border to basically put more pressure on that to you know, who by making, you know, old as much displacement causing that much displacement of 60000 is raised for more pressure netanyahu to agree to cease 5 in gaza. i mean just failed to understand nothing, you know who and who failed to understand is really politics. both doing it and you all who was beholden to a fault, right? combination. these are not people who want the want to end any time soon. in fact, we know that some of the opposition to the strike one as one that came from the fall or right members of israel's cabinet because they will like this will disrupt their operations in gauzy. and they want their that keep quiet and the carrying at
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israel's infringement and golf is that they can reset to that territory. they reasons that that's actually something that keep, make some a little bit more scared of a region of war, major escalation. and also, i'm not the rama underestimate to the fact of october the 7th on his rel society. you know that it's so many observers and is ready politics on october. the 8th you said right next and yahoo was finished. there was no way back from this massive psychological wound and physical and economic costs on his relative side. nothing you know, who is called the magician for a reason. okay, he just keeps on going. but as i say in this scenario, to just the 100 now on, on what might happen next with regard to those 60000 people from northern israel that these right, the cabinet is saying will be allowed to go home when they created the right conditions, given that they've made that pledge, does israel have any option of the ground defensive is that the only way that they think keep that pledge it's so it's,
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it's understand is really options. you have to understand israel as fundamentally a settler colonial project and, and the goal of israel since its founding is to create exclusive as rarely do we sovereignty over the entirety of the land of the stuart palestine from the river to the sea. and that means illuminating any resistance to that idea. so it october 7th, became the pretext of these re the government and needed in order to realize this dream of greater israel and exclusive is raven's wish. sovereignty over the entirety of the land, 100 percent of historic kind of side. they weren't satisfied with 78 percent of it that they took in 1914. and now they see this as a moment where they look at the resistance to that idea. and it's happening in, in lebanon, and southern lebanon. and it's happening in the m, and it's happening around it is happening in palestine. it was at the end in the west bank. and they believe that this is the moment for them to expel as many palestinians as possible from the land colonized as much of that land as possible
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and eliminate all resistance to that idea to that establishment of exclusive is really to resolve a deep. so to look right, even though given the ticket given a whole lot of met, wrong term, a regional will be avoided. what do you think? as you look at the situation now, all the jumps is what was the percentage john's perhaps of a regional right now of full scale regional you know what? one of the things we haven't talked about is the nights it states that has a lame duck president, with a in decisive and dysfunctional foreign policy. i'm afraid, as long as the united states continues on the same path. the, there's tremendous likelihood of an expansion of the war beyond the genocide in gauze and now southern lebanon. it's so, um, rubber, your thoughts on the, on, on a regional board, do you think it can be avoided?
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i think it can be avoided. i don't think at the moment as things stand it will be avoided. i, i was always saying previously, netanyahu needs to be in a situation where he said, yes, you can say october. the 7th happened, but look at, well, i've done since then i've made israel more secure and will say more prosperous than ever before. and that can, you know, be talking to his constituents on the fall right into a new setting, the westbank. but it can also be in terms of taking. yeah, and that's rather vanessa in yahoo. the buck stops at 10 ram and the raining machine. you know, he sees all of this as kind of tentacles on an octopus. all, i think he's going to try and go for a head shot. you know, he's has victory after victory after victory. this is not the same. that's and you know, who we saw previously, who yes, despite all of his intentions and despite all of the nasty things he says is a pragmatist at hall, this isn't meant to be all. he was basic. he said, i need to stay in power and it doesn't matter how many people i have to kill to make that happen. that can be arabs. but that can also be jewish is right. and he's
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leaving the house and using golf interrupt. because at the end of the day is these 5 will bring down his government and escalation, the drugs into iran went sign to robot. thanks to all of august. joining us today. i'm around come rob the robot guys penfold, i'm a 100 i ash please stay tuned. his out as there was teams across the region, bring you all the latest developments 24 hours a day with full analysis and context in which is there a dot com. we always welcome your comments and suggestions on our coverage. leave them for us on our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story, or find us on x while we are at a inside story for me. james base of the team here in bo, how please stay safe bye for now. the is really forces seek to silence the truth simply occupied westbank storming and
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shutting down houses. here was bureau and romano, the truth must be protected and heard. and the stories of real people must be told . this is not just an attack on journalist. it's an attack on the world's right to know. journalism is not, of course, a pressing is born in palestine under british rule educated in america a controversial professor in new york. he realized that he was the voice of a people out to 0. wow. that's what made him an influential right chunk of the palestinians. and what size, out of place from the the narrative to media was from propaganda to the changing
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face of journalism. i have never seen a leave media consensus change so quickly questioning what is reported and what does not. the video's further reinforce a discourse. it is coming out of every sector. a, b is rarely official machinery. they're all palestinians are the enemy, finishing the post, the codes, the media, or the jersey. the colleges here as the world economy, those strikes are those with a strong result. indonesia is where supposed to be solved by the right place for your business to get off the ground of grace. otherwise,
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with this strategic downstream industry on the clock in the news, your better tomorrow the of the hello i'm marianne. minimize the welcome to the news. our life from tao ha, coming up in the next 60 minutes, israel continues to bomb 11 and from the capital to the south and the east of the country, at least 77 people have been killed. at least 4 people were killed in thousands injured as his riley forces that attack about palms and c 4 and the yeah, many city of data digging through the rubble for survivors. nepal is
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devastated by land slides and flaws off to 2 days of heavy rain.

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