even after one was sent to prison. 101 east investigate. east t most re scandals on and i'll just say around the the i'm role matheson it's just gone past. oh to g m t hours. that's 5 am in southern level for israel's mother. she has begun what is calling a limited ground offensive? at the same time air strikes are still being launched in other parts of the country . within the past couple of hours the, you know what and palestinian come near. so i don't was head. it's the largest palestinian camp and 11 on is the 1st time it's the escalation. this is the scene in southern i've been on the other both of his release ready troops of 5 slayers into the night sky and made heavy showing. players are coming to use the signal troops on the ground on light their path,

as well as to confirm target savvy high sions live for us. and they would probably just bring this up to date with what's been happening, particularly the, the destructive of just me mentioning on the, you know, how we published in an account a rob, just an hour and a half ago. we saw this even before, to boston, is really a strike on the heavily populated fall as senior refugee camp in south lebanon. i am henry, which is to the south side of now this is like, did you come with a lot of not all the ways very populated, more than 150000 people living there. and of course, uh to got a lot of senior refugees also. now what you're hearing is that there are several casualties rescue teams are struggling to get into the place and there are these 4 buildings that are collapsed because of these really a talk. this of course is of the 1st attack on i did headway which is described as

the top retail off, but i've seen you in refugees because it's the biggest count. and yes, city only. there was another attack on an all the of the senior refugee camp in tara, a boss. if you come, one person was killed during the day during the night. this city also an attack on all the protesting infections commanders in the city of a, within the, in the heart of the capital. also, kids for so we're, we're seeing a kind of an escalation from these various not falling towards has one level falsity was 15 infections and it's combined as an 11 talk to us about the, the camp itself because we're just looking at some pictures now with the kind of, we that are showing us the kind of fear that people were going through when those strikes that you said that they were very densely populated when they were aiming for a particular target. i get from what you're suggesting that this is probably not the

last time that i target like this is going to be hit by the, as readings, a robot. as you know, since the beginning of this campaign just a week ago, even few days ago when a fellow skim number of people killed isn't hundreds. and if we add all the numbers together with, with the numbers, from the beginning of the complex, we have on 107, and 1700 people killed today only or last night because now we're in the 2nd day. so last slide, menissi off house issued a statement saying that at least 95 people were killed in one day. these are the numbers coming on the basis and now with the attack on i then headed with our expectations will be more people killed. and as i told you, rescue services are finding it very difficult to get in. house is over the just

very close to each other. you can stand on it on the balcony. then you can shake hands with another neighbor on the balcony and it's, it's dense. and densely populated, to this extent. and of course, this wasn't the only attack 11 on and part of the attacks in the southern suburb of a booth, at least 8 strikes and several buildings flattened in the southern. solve the just outside liberties for the in syria. i know the for tax and 3 people at the 2nd . how do you thank you very much indeed out the house by 1st and they were all i said big strong this live not from the calls all the in eastern lab. and i don't know what's the latest, but you're here as well as this been to increase the number of strikes here. and that's where it is, where it has said that the van's talks in his beloved, within the reference depots and low insights and strong holes. but what we're

having some the status is that the tons of color could, uh, uh the, the, and the um have being picked by is really artillery strikes. now what it seems like is that these are these a talk to these board, the towns and villages, or you can read just stuff in it before they try to go in. now these tons of villages was since october last year have been getting hit. in fact, we visited one called i the shop uh about a month ago, which is over a month ago. and what we sold was considerable amount of destruction, but most people have already left. so what we're seeing now is the kind of beginning of this uh, ground invasion uh with the is raised a hitching this tons of villages before they actually try to cross over and occupied parts of size living or not. we've also been hearing from his beloved, who have said that they've launched no less than 12 attacks against is ready positions in northern. is there a thread that's uh,

gatherings of is ready soldiers. but what's interesting is that they've said that they've used the newer miss. i'll for the 1st time which is a type of ballistic missile. so as i was on days and weeks in fault, we don't know how long this operation will take, but we will see the capabilities of his beloved and how much of a fighting force they are considering the kind of damage that they've taken over the last few weeks i mentioned, of course that set it back out to you is in the eastern lab and there's not far to the border with syria. people have been seeing the back of valley is you've been telling us over the last 20 for 48 hours or so. i'm guessing that some of those are crossing into syria to the you and hate see all says tens of thousands of people have crossed over into syria. and that just tells you the state of the conflict here and live in on that many suits and refugees that flag the conflict and syria that civil came to that. but on the

children have grown up, have no nothing but to live and on. and but now those people seem to think that syria is a safe event for them rather than stay here. and that's because they've seen what's been taking place in gauze, and they also has is where the prime minister benjamin netanyahu talked about a couple claims that his blah, hiding weapons and kitchens in homes and hospitals and schools. i run, you see what's happening cause that many people fear the same could happen here. so they frontier the chances in syria rather than they've been on. but it's not just sitting families that have been returning. we also spoke to the needs families who were going to syria because they thought it was safe for the know the best off valley is also a home to many internally displaced people who have come from other parts of the best of value. but also i spoke to families that come from south lebanon, who met from sas that belong to baby boot, then baby, which has bunk, and then they came to the back of valley, hoping to find some sort of safety here. so thank you very much indeed that's i

said big talking to us from the back of valley. gotta go to honda. so who the sly for us in amman? jordan, that's because these really governments bind out to 0 from reporting inside israel . so how is israel framing this operation? honda as well, these really military release, quite an extensive segment saying that these were limited raids, they were targeted and that they were going to be size small in size and scope, but it's still nonetheless an invasion into solver and lebanese territory. it's also important to remember some of the rhetoric from is really official saying that they were gearing up for a ground invasion. and it was a tool in their arsenal that they were prepared to use. now the ground invasion came after the approval from israel security cabinet. but the statement from these really military at around 2 am local time had said that's the incursion to began hours before. it's still unclear though, what exactly the military is going to do and for how long they say they want to

destroy his villa infrastructure along the border. restore the balance of power there, but none the less the last time is roland baited levied on it was under similar circumstances saying that it was going to be a small incursion, limited in size and ended up being a near 20 year off to patients. so there's still a lot that's up in the air as now. fears are circulating across the globe, a lot of concerned, but also especially among the lebanese people who are afraid of what's to come next . and let's talk about that because there's a lot of speculation about what will happen after these initial limited incursions . are they, is there any military we know is wrecked? isn't about giving a lot of detail ahead of time, but is there any indication that you're guessing about what the overall plan is or at least the next few stages as well that we're nearing the one year mark, not only in israel's war on dogs, but also the cross border fire with his bola and in this year israel has had little

to no military achievements. so it's a little bit hard to say exactly what's next. what the plan our strategy is, but israel says they have set goals here. the 1st is to return those evacuated is really, is back to those townsend settlements along the border. and the 2nd is to restore the balance of power. they say the only way they can bring back those residents in the north is it, as well as military capabilities are destroyed, is really officials have said they want to destroy the lebanese group entirely. and they've also said that they will go at any length to do that. so still a little bit unclear exactly what the long term plan here. but nonetheless, israel says they're operating under precise intelligence. but as we've seen again over the last year, that their intelligence has not always been so precise, the army has been gearing up for this round invasion for quite some time. but massing tanks, military vehicles, and thousands of troops along the borders saying that they are prepared to deter

his bullet. but how exactly they're going to do that. and how long is still a little bit unclear cuz there are concerns within israel as well, about how long this operation is going to last. and what is really troops are going to face on the ground because this is a different beast. this is not god's of this is not the occupied westbank. these are because both fighters and 11 non who are going to be coming face to face with these really are me kind of the hurts talking to is from amman and jordan. and the reason that honda is talking to us from a mine is because is really government's bind. i'll just data from reporting inside israel. well alley or us president joe biden's responded to reports about that possible is really driving defensive and let it on at a press conference. otherwise there's no maybe now launching unlimited operation and 11 on. are you aware of that? are you comfortable with their plan? i'm more aware than you might know, and i'm comfortable with them stopping. we should have a ceasefire. now, i'm going to get the reaction from the us with my county. he's standing by for us in washington dc. so at the bottom they're saying i'm comfortable with them

stopping. we should have a ceasefire, not spending mute. it's kind of a response to the question, what is the us position and all of this a indeed, yes, it was a muted response on would appear to show some kind of display of, of these really action. but what it also does is implies that president biden was aware of what that action was going to be a ground defensive, even though israel made to him that as a limited operation. uh, but the us generally has been as saying throughout the day that it does have information that this ground defensive was looming. we heard that from the state department, but we also heard along with those comments uh the mantra, from us officials. and that is that israel has the right to its own security, which preludes, any other comments that might be made, that certainly they would know, calls to for, as well, to hold it's operations. even though we sold the what appeared to be some discomfort on president biden's part. well,

we heard again was the calls for at the, the injury to civilians, to be minimized. but throughout this whole period of time, the us has a period to have in sufficient leverage to get the nets and yahoo government to do what it would request them to do, or what it would like him to do. hence, the fact that cold sort of sci fi in gaza were ignored, and now in recent days, calls for the cx, $511.00 on the limited one of the $21.00 days. i've also been completely ignored, which is just emphasized by the latest is right in the military operation across the border into lab and on. i might just briefly when, when we were covering the united nations general assembly, there was a lot of speculation that there were talks going on the sidelines of that to try to find some sort of solution to israel's fight against has, has bola i'm, is there any sense that that is still going on or is essentially has it kind of grunted well,

hold well the us state department says it's still on the table that was we integrated today by the state department spokesman as saying that that to 21 days these 5 proposal which would allow for space for why the negotiation remains on the table. now that proposal was drawn up by the us, along with problems and a number of other european and arab allies. now that was full support for the united nations. it was discussed that the united nations that was best discussed and capitalized around various parts of the globe. and yet it was not enforced in any way as it is no method of enforcement from the united nations, or indeed it appears from the united states. so you have a c spy on the table, you have it essentially completely ignored from the moment it was proposed. it was dead in the water within hours of it being proposed. a prime minister. netanyahu arrived in new york to address the united nations. and he said as he goes up the

plain that he was not going to observe the seas file, this is just an example of the fact that not only does the united states appear in capable and willing to prevent these ongoing escalations by israel. but the international community as a whole, also appears to have a no say in what a b is really government does. and indeed no sanction to offer full what it does. mike, thanks very much indeed. mike, kind of talking to his from uh, washington dc. there's a line that's coming out of the reuters news agency that to us secretary of defense lloyd austin, has upon his spoken with israel's defense minister you off the line. that's the statement that's being issued by the pentagon. that is quite a common thing when israel is carrying out this kind of operation that the us does try to keep in touch with israel, at least on the military level, to find out what the situation is. if we find out any more about what that comes,

what that that has led to insight. there is a line that's just come up. rewards is not saying the percentage on the says that the 2 men have agreed on the necessity of dismantling the attack infrastructure along the lebanese border. as i said, we're going to find out some more about what a conference that conversation was about. but in the meantime, i wanna bring you an update from sylvia. more explosions to being had over the capital, damascus, serving state media have reporting that air defense systems intercepted is really miss solves over the southwest of the city. late on monday night, 3 civilians have reportedly being killed, 9 others were injured. and we're also getting reports that are walking to attack is talking to the military base hoops and us forces near a racks baghdad, international airport. at least 2 could chew shut rockets are being fond of the base air. navigation airports being halted temporarily. regardless of reporting the intelligence to iraqi military officials. they started air defenses have

intercepted the rock as it is last major encouragement. it's 11 am was in 2006 or conflict last at 34 days. is there a launch? the offensive foster has bought the fighters killed 3 soldiers into 2 others captive and across the border race was there any forces pushed more than 20 kilometers into 11 east territory. i've also launched an extensive bombing campaign across the country, as was reported a $150.00. it gets over the course of the conflicts. most of those were soldiers and 11 on it more than $1100.00 people died during a month for fighting. most of them were civilians stayed with arrows as a professor at national defense universities. joining us from washington dc. very good to have you with us, david. i want to ask you, 1st of all the budget, but these lines that are coming out of the pentagon, saying that the us defense secretary lied austin. i'm your client base ready? defense administer have agreed on the necessity of dismantling the attack infrastructure along the lebanese border. given the fact that we've seen

a fairly muted response coming out of the white house, the statement that came up from a presidential biden, is there a sense that actually the us is really quite comfortable for the, for the is really mandatory is doing along the southern lebanese border or well, you know, the united states is committed to israel's survival as a sovereign nation. and so long as has butler retains the ability to rob rockets and missiles over the border into the, you know, pre 1967 israel of you know, that is of concern, i imagine to most americans. but it's also important. remember, you know, united states and most western governments considered lovely, says for to be a terrorist movement. so there's not a whole lot of sympathy for the organization. i think that the. ready greater concern uh, from the bottom administration is they don't want to see a wider middle east war, particularly as the election approaches. so there is this sort of instinctive, uh,

imperative to, to uh, do you ratchet hostilities to prevent hostilities from spreading. but at the same time, 11, he says, paula is long, you know, has significant amounts of american blood on their hands and is not due sympathetically by very, by anybody with in washington really. at the back of 1992, of course one, israel invaded lebanon at that point. it was, it covers, arise then as a limited encourage, and it turned into an 18 year occupation of southern lebanon. the big concern, of course, now with what is happening of covering play is that the same thing will go on that . in fact, we will see what i believe is known as mission creeps, that israel will go in and expand and expand. what do you see? the way that this is going to unfold. yeah, well, israel shows that they're a learning military. uh, you know, in the, in the 1978 at a occupation which was really more of

a functional effect. so they met with such initial success against the palestinian liberation organization of that time and thought that they could uh yeah, they basically allow gunning over their skis, thought that they could reform 11 on. i think they've kind of given up on that prospect. they've kind of realized that they can do this. what's even more of a traumatic for the is really supposed to 2006 incursion. that's widely viewed as a defeat for israel. they, they, they conducted some serious introspection. took a look at their leadership, but mostly looked at their um intelligence system. and basically they've been closely observing as bullet for 18 years now and it appears so. busy are that they are working their way in a pretty methodical and disciplined manner down a specific list of the targets. so that leads me to believe that when they go in, it won't be just a whole plan,

but rather they have specific targets in mind. they will only establish the lodgement, they need to conduct limited raids from those and will probably just seek districts specific facilities, particularly deep buried weapons, storage facilities and watch facilities. and when we're using as similar raise and operations happen in various scenarios around the world. and obviously, when those forces mean invading forces, the occupying forces move out of those areas, it's almost inevitable that the existing, the incumbent forces are going to move back in. so in logistical terms and strategic terms, is it not logical to think at some point, israel is going to have to have some sort of presence in southern lebanon in order to essentially protect and hold the areas that it is currently targeting. that's a really good question. yeah, so the question is, can they prevent, has bullet from coming back?

the short answer is no, they can't. i, you know, i think there are some who hope that the lebanese state will reassert its sovereignty over 11 on um, but uh that you know is, uh, is a coin toss it best. what they can do though, is destroy firing positions covered places and then try to prevent these weapons from moving back in from re establishing themselves. so yeah, you're right. unless you have a, either somebody comes in and governs it or you govern it yourself. all you're doing is buying yourself a period of time until loving he says well in this instance, can re infiltrate, reestablish itself eventually move in, weapons that strike it in the meantime. uh, what is real, i believe hopes to do is establish a set of deterrence on has dollars, leadership and on the iranian revolutionary guard court, to keep them from doing that or to keep them from launching strikes in israel. so

all war is temporary and you're right unless it's governs or if you govern it yourself, there's a very good chance that at most you'll get 10 years of peace. david, we appreciated as always, dividend rush. i is professor of national defense university. i'm thank you very much indeed for your time. i or what am i speaking to her? i said is the president of the international american cancel in the middle east do . subbing on the harvard international reviews. joining us live from boston via skype. thank you very much. indeed for being with us. so the big instead of unanswered questions so far is what if any reaction iran is likely to have to all of this because many on of this are pointing to a wrong. now as being the point at which there may be a response that may bring this to some sort of a current, if not a conclusion that at least would this help to stop israel and it's tracks. what's your assessment or for iran? isn't this a thank you for having me, roberts. and i think this is

a very important question. you're asking because they're already around. is it going to play in the response that he's going to have? will again determine what kind of response is right and would have and then i think we might see it there escalation or the escalation and the conflict. but i think um, of reading your in your newspapers and looking in the wrong politics that the really the by that you have uh uh, this moderates or had a ring and president the price matches the not soup position key on he. he believes that the whole thing is, what is the right it is doing this strategy is really to reorder iran into a direct walk. it's so these are all the critics pre takes 2 groups to trap you run into a war that didn't withdraw united. ready into

a war which will take the balance of power against the law. and if you look at it so far, so from the mother's perspective, that's would be a really political suicide to, to go directly involved with these right now. but again, you have the hard line knows that they want, they want a response. they wanted that response even when they want to harsh response against these royal, when uh, is there a way of killed the, how much leader into ron? um and you remember that the supreme leader a common a said that he or there's actually strikes but they didn't fall off. and i think what happened is that that really shows the ability of that you and your government . i think that really empowered israel because they did not follow off and it's kind of showed that they are fearful of a direct conflict. and uh, i mean, i'm not saying that was the result of ease royal incursion into southern living on

. but i think of what you, on answering your question, just ensure that what you want is trying to think do for the next period is to activate its proxies. it's not going to go, i don't think it's going to go direct to water with these where you cannot afford it. you cannot afford it politically. it cannot afford it economically. and uh, i think they going to just use, they send me through the cold war for they've been using and they, they, they, they might say their troops to live in on. but i don't expect them to go in direct to our with these are you the public response to the escalation over the last couple of days from other nations in the region has been to condemn the attacks. but otherwise, it's been relatively new to it's what is your assessment of for the other countries in the region stand in this? well, i think it's a complicated situation. it's, it's on the one hand, you, you,

some countries don't want to show their position. are they allowing them set with the wrong or with is it right or with hezbollah? they don't want to be a target. so and then you have, is there way in which, from its perspective it has gained military momentum. so it is in full swing now. busy it was able to kill how much lead or into herani. there was no consequences. a thing you went to cause side. it's killed, the has something to throw law the you on really do then to respond immediately. so he's royal, feels it has the perfect opportunity of getting a military moment of to go in and just took the great any career. it's not just for short term. i mean a threat for long term. i mean, he can't even i like them, but he can, it can degrade the administered capabilities and, and that which, which will affect them maybe years to gain that strength back. um,

but uh but i, i think also um the, the issue i think i, i would like also to focus on is that the, the civilians are more likely to really build the bronze of all of these, all the conflict. and i believe what it code is, syria and this humanitarian crisis you saw in the syria, and for after 2011, the most likely is going to happen in, in libya. not um, i mean, i hope it will stop, but i think that the likelihood now is really a very high end in terms of the global response to what, what's been going on, particularly with regard to, to, to israel and obviously in the last days of the trump administration, we are last months, i should say, we have the introduction of the abraham of cards. it looked as though there was, it was at least mooted that there was going to be some sort of understanding that was going to be signing between the saudi arabia. for example, in israel,

the united auto bundle risk crane. and so in other countries were considering it obviously the western countries who do a lot of business with israel as well as of course, selling them alms, is the a pragmatism that is really kind of guiding the way that other nations are responding to what israel is doing at the moment well, i think you have several conflicts on the global scale. so and there is a election in. ready us is coming. so um, i think a lot of countries are conflicted and i think uh uh what, what you're seeing is that i think uh again, i think is the royal believes it has. i think the, the upper hand here and i don't think god. busy the they live in use for administer the you and few days ago he, he called for implementation of the resolution,

1701 and many countries. i've called for ceasefire, but i don't think any of these as, um, scenarios are really uh, uh, likely and realistic. uh, i think you, when you have a country that believes it has the military momentum and you can go and just the grades, they minutes are capability of the, the groups that he perceives as a threats. and i don't think you really get there was any diplomatic solution. and unfortunately this concern, again the region into um and uh, brought a conflict on a conflagration launch is obviously we appreciate you being with us on i'll just do it. so thank you very much. indeed. for your time.