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debate starts now for every single vote and we're going to take the century back. we are ready to continue the journey. the visa, cbs news, special for light from cbs news headquarters in new york. marriott, good to saw. the vice presidential debate good evening, nora o'donnell and thank you for joining us for tonight. cbs news vice presidential debates. we want to welcome our viewers on cbs, another networks here in the us and around the world. we have consequential night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you, the voter. let's introduce the candidates, minnesota democratic governor, tim walls, and ohio is republican. senator j,

the vance. tonight's meeting for the 1st time the or hi, margaret brennan, in order to have a thoughtful and civil debate. these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to. questions will be directed one candidate to will have a few minutes to respond. the other candidate will be allowed 2 minutes for rebuttal, then each candidate will get another minute to make further points with an additional one minutes each at the discretion of the moderator. the primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules, and provide the candidates for the opportunity to fact check claims made by each other. cbs news reserves, the right to mute the candidates microphones to maintain decorum. we have not shared the questions or topics with the campaigns. the stage is that governor sen, thank you for joining us. let's get started. tonight,

our country is facing several unfolding crises. the middle east is on the brink of war. americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of hurricane helene, and our labor strike is $25000.00 dock workers from maine to texas are picketing. we're going begin tonight with the middle east, margaret. thank you, nora. earlier today, iran launched its largest attack yet on israel, but that attack failed. thanks to join us and as really defensive action. frozen body has deployed more than 40000 us military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent regional war. iran is weekend, but the us still considers the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. it is down now to one or 2 weeks time to governor walls. if you are the final voice in the situation room, would you support or oppose

a preemptive strike, bias real on iran? you have 2 minutes. well, thank you. can thank you for those joining at home tonight. let's keep in mind where that started october 7, i'm osh terrace. a mass occurred over 1400 israelis and took prisoners. i ran are i of israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental. getting it's pos, reaches back fundamental, and ending the humanitarian crisis. in gaza, but the expansion of israel image proxies is an absolute fundamental, uh, necessity for the united states. yep. the steady leadership there. you saw it experience today. we're along with our is really partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack. but what's fundamental here is catch steady leadership is going to matter. it's clear and the world saw it on that debate stage. a few weeks ago, a nearly 80 year old donald trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in

this moment. but it's not just that it's those that were closest to donald trump, that understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous history for staff. john kelly said that he was the most flawed human being it ever mat. and both of his secretaries of defense and his national security advisers said he should be nowhere near the white house. now the person closest to them, the put to the donald trump said he's on fit for the highest office that was sen advance. what we've seen out of vice president harris is we've seen steady leadership. we've seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together, understanding that our allies matter. when our allies see donald trump turned towards vladimir, put and turned towards the north korea. when we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed. and as the vice president said,

today is we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences. governor, your time is up senator vance. the same question, would you support or oppose a preemptive strikes by israel on ron, who have 2 minutes? so margaret, i want to answer the question, 1st of all, thanks, governor. thanks to cbs for hosting the debate. and thanks. most importantly, the american people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate. i wanna answer the question, but i want to actually give an introduction of myself a little bit because i recognize a lot of americans don't know why that one of us are. i was raised in a working class family. my mother required food assistance for periods of her life . my grandmother required social security help to raise me. and she raised me in part because my, my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life. i went to college on the g. i bill after i listed in the marine corps and started that iraq. and so i stand to your asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the american dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. and most importantly, i know that

a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the american dream is unattainable. i want to try to convince you to night over the next 90 minutes. but if we get better leadership in the white house, so we get donald trump back in the white house, the american dream is going to be attainable once again. that answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as governor waltz just accused donald trump with being an agent of chaos. donald trump actually deliberate stability in the world, and he did it by establishing affective deterrence. people were afraid of stepping out of line iran, which launched this attack, has received over a $100000000000.00 and unfrozen assets. thanks to the combo harris administration. what are the use that money for? they use it to buy weapons that they're now launching it against our allies. and god forbid potentially launching against the united states as well. donald trump recognize that for people to figure the united states, you needed peace through strength. they needed to recognize that if they got out of line the united states, global leadership would put the stability and peace back in the world. that you

asked about a pre emptive strike, margaret. and i want to answer the question, look, it is up to israel. what they think they need to do to keep their country safe and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys. i think that's the right approach to take with you as the real question. thank you senator. governor balls. do you care to respond to any of the allegations? well, look, donald trump was in office, we'll sometimes hear a revisionist history. but when donald trump was an officer, was donald trump, who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed iran's new killer program in the inability to advance it. donald trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. so i ran is closer to a nuclear weapons and they were before because of donald trump to pick a leadership. and when i ran shot down an american aircraft in international airspace, donald trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of donald trump. and when i rainy and missiles did fall near us troops and they received dramatic brain

injuries. donald trump wrote it off as headaches. look, our allies understand that donald trump is fickle. he will go to who ever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. steady leadership like you witness today, like you witnessed in april. both iranian attacks were repelled. our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that com layers is providing sen. vance at the us did have a diplomatic deal with a ron to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program. and president trump did exit that deal. the keys recently said just 5 days ago, the us must now make a diplomatic deal with a ron because the consequences are impossible. did he make a mistake? you have one minute. well, 1st of all, margaret diplomacy is not a dirty word, but i think that's something the governor waltz just said is quite extraordinary. you yourself just said i ran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. and governor multi blaine donald trump, who has been the vice president for the last 3 and

a half years. and the answer is, you're running may not mind. donald trump consistently made the world more secure. now we talk about what the sequence of events. but let us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore october the 7th, which i appreciate governor waltz springing up. but when did i ran and him off and there proxies attack israel. it was during the administration of cala harris. so governor waltz can criticize donald trump's tweets, but effective smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. donald trump has already done it once before. ask yourself at home. when, when was the last time i'm 40 years old? what was the last time that an american president didn't have a major conflict breakout? the only answer was during the 4 years the donald trump was present. gentlemen, we have a lot to get to nora. barbara, thank you. let's turn out to hurricane helene. the storm could become one of the deadliest on record. more than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

scientists, a climate change makes these hurricanes, larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. sen, vance. according to cbs news pulling 7 in 10 americans, and more than 60 percent of republicans under the age of 45 favor, the u. s. taking steps to try and reduce climate change. sen, what responsibility would the trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change? and i'll give you 2 minutes. sure, so 1st of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's unbelievable unspeakable human tragedy . i just sold today actually photograph of 2 grand parents on a roof with a 6 year old child. and it was the last photograph that were taken to them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. and i'm sure government was showing to me and saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them. and we, what is robust and aggressive as a federal responses we can get to save as many lives as possible. and of course

afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild. i mean there's the communities that i love, some of them i know very personally, an appalachian all across the southeast. they need their government to do their job and i commit. but when donald trump is present, again, the government will put the citizens of this country 1st when they suffer from a disaster. and or us about climate change. i guess this is a very important issue. look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather and patterns . i think it's important for us 1st of all, to say donald trump and i support clean air clean water. we want the environment to be cleaner and safer. but one of the things that i've noticed, some of our democratic friends talking a lot about is, is a concern about carbon emissions. this idea that carbon emissions drives all the climate change. well, let's just say that's true just for the sake of argument. so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true. well, if you believe that, what would you, what would you want to do? the answer is that you'd want to reassure as much american manufacturing as possible. and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the united states

of america, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. what has come on here is this policy is actually led to more energy production in china, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business, and some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. and why say that, i mean, the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output. so if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in american workers and the american people. and unfortunately, couple of harris has done exactly the opposite. governor walls, you have 2 minutes to respond when we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening. look, 1st of all, it is or her riffing tragedy. with this hurricane and my heart goes up to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors. i serve as the co chair of the council of governors. as we worked together on these emergency management's governors, no, no partisanship, they work together. does all the governors and the emergency responders on the ground, those happen on the front end? the federal government comes in,

make sure they're there to that we recover. but we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they are staying. they're staying focused now look, coming back to the climate change issue, there is no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen. center vans had said that there was a climate problem in the past. donald trump called it a hoax. and then joe, but these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in what we've seen out of the hairs administration. now, the by nurse administration is we've seen this investment. we've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the inflation reduction act has created jobs all across the country. 2000 in jeffersonville, ohio, taking the technology that we invented and making it here, 200000 jobs across the country. the largest solar manufacturing plant in north america sets in minnesota. but my farmers know climate changes real big thing, 500 year drought, 500 your floods back to back. but what they're doing is adapting, and this is allowed them to tell me. look at harvest quart, however,

so i mean now harvest went, we're producing more natural gas and more oil at any time and we ever have. we're also producing more clean energy. so the, the solution for us is to continue to move forward. that climate change is real, reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice. you can do that at the same time, you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country. that's exactly what this administration is done. we're seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future. not just the current, and that's what absolutely makes sense. and then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. thank you, senator. i want to give you an opportunity to respond there. the governor mention that president trump has called climate change hopes to agree with the president has said is that it, the democrats is particular cala harris and her leadership that they really believe the climate change is serious. what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the united states of america. and that's not what they're

doing. so clearly come over here as for self, doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. if she did, she would actually agree with donald trump's energy policies. now, something something government wall said is important to touch upon because when we talk about clean energy, i think that's a slogan. but often the democrats will use here. i'm talking to course about the democratic leadership. and the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of american tax payer money on solar panels that are made in china, number $1.00, you're going to make the economy dirty, or we should be making more of the solar panels here in the united states of america, some of the more 10, but a lot of them are being made overseas in china, especially the components that go into the solar panels. so if you really want to make the environment clean or you've got to invest in more energy production, we have a built in nuclear facility. i think one in the past 40 years that actual gas we got to invest more than commonly, harris has done the opposite. that's a raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing it are you are the kind of is up governor, would you like to respond? well, look, we're,

we're producing more natural gas and we ever had. there's no more joy. i'm on that . we're producing more oil, but the folks know, i don't my, like i said again, these are not liberal folks. these are not folks that are green new deal folks. these are farmers that have been drought. one year massey flooding the next year. they understand that it makes sense. look, our number one export cannot be top soil from erosion from these massive storms we saw in minnesota this summer and thinking about how do we respond to that. we're thinking ahead on this and what com layers has been able to do in minnesota. we're starting to whether approve some of these things. the infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. how do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines? how do we make sure that we're protecting lakefront and things that we're seeing more and more up, but to call it a hoax? and it take the oil company executives, tomorrow, logo, say, give me money for my campaign, and i'll let you do whatever you want. we can be smarter about that. and then all the above energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here,

governor. your time is that the overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the ers climate is warming of that unprecedented re margaret. thank you. nora. we're going to turn now to immigration. the crisis at the us mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issue for american voters. senator vance. your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in american history. and to use the u. s. military to do so, could you be more specific about exactly how this will work? for example, would you deport parents who have entered the us illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on us soil. we have 2 minutes. so 1st of all, margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding. we have a historic immigration crisis because come over here is started and said that she wanted to undo all of donald trump's border policies. 94 executive order suspending deportations de criminalizing illegal aliens massively increasing the asylum fraud

that exists in our system. that is open the floodgates and what it's meant is that a lot of fitting dollars coming into our country. i had a mother who struggle with obesity addiction and has gotten clean. i don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their 2nd chance because cala harris let in fitting all into our communities at record levels. so you've got to stop the bleeding. you've got to re implement donald trump's board or policies build of the wall, reimplement deportations. and that gets me to your point, margaret, about what do we actually do? so we've got 2025000000 illegal aliens who are here in the country. what do we do with them? i think the 1st thing that we do is we start with a criminal migrant. about a 1000000 of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to cross in the border illegally. i think you start with the port stations on those folks. and then i think you make it harder for illegal aliens to under cut, the wages of american workers. a lot of people go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage and our own country. and by the way,

that will be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work. the final point, margaret, is you ask about family separation right now in this country market. we have 320000 children that the department of homeland security has effectively lost. some of them have been sex, drafted. some of them hopefully aren't homes with their families. some of them have been used as drug trafficking meals. the real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately, complet harris is wide open southern border. i'd ask my fellow americans to remember when she came into office. she said she was going to do this. real leadership would be saying, you know what, i screwed up. we're gonna go back to donald trump's motor policies. i wish that she would do that. it would be good for all of us governor to do care to respond to any of those specific allegations, including that the vice president is quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug fuels, among other things. so yeah, i think we'll all try and the drug deal is not true,

but i will say about this about the bundle because this is a crisis of this, the all feel like prices and the good news on this is the last 12 months of the largest decrease in odessa and our nation's history. 30 percent decrease in ohio, but they're still more work to do. but let's go back to this on immigration. connell heiresses, the attorney general of the largest state, the border state and california. she's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational games for human trafficking and drug interventions. but look, we all want to solve that. i. most of us want to solve this, and that is the united states congress. that's the border patrol agents. that's the chamber of commerce, that's most americans out here. that's why we had the terrorist and the toughest bill on immigration. that destination same. it was crafted by a conservative senator from oklahoma. james langford, i don't want be super conservative, but he's a man of principle. once you get a dock. democrats and republicans worked on this piece of legislation. border patrol, say this is what we need and here these are the experts and the chamber of commerce and the wall street journal said, passed this thing calmly. hers helped get there. 1500 new border agents,

protection for drugs, b o j money to speed up the stuff you do to cations on this, just one america watch. but as soon as i was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, donald trump said no. i told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue. it gives him to what, what donald trump talk about. if we actually did some of these things that may need to be done by the legislature, you can't just do this through the executive branch. so look, we have the options to do this, donald trumpet for years, get 4 years to do this. and he promised you america how easy it would be. i'll build you a big, beautiful wall and mexico we'll pay for it. less than 2 percent of that wall got built, that mexico didn't pay a dime. but here we are again, 9 years after he came down that escalator dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do as far as the deportation plan. at one point, senator van said he was still on workable to be laughable. so that's where we're at

. pass the bill. show sign it governor. your time is up. it's senator question was will you separate parents from their children even if their kids are us citizens? you have one minute margaret. my point is that we already have massive child separations. thanks to come over here is open border. i didn't accuse come over here. us of inviting drug meals. i said that she enabled that mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country. and we know that they use children as drug meals and it is a disgrace and it has to stop. ok, what tim said, just doesn't pass the smell test for 3 years. calmly harris went out bragging that she was going to undo. donald trump's border policy, she did exactly that. we had a record number of illegal crossings. we had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country. and now now that she's running for president or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. the only thing that she did when she became the vice president when she became the appointed boarders are, was to undo. 94,

donald trump executive actions that opened the border. this problem is leading to massive problems in the united states of america. parents who can't afford health care schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when donald trump is present. in fact, under your time is up governor. what about our cbs news polling, which does show that a majority of americans more than 50 percent support mass deportations. look, we fix this issue with a bill that is necessary. but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it. you demonize it and we saw this and then centered advance and it surprises me on this. talking about and saying i will create stories to bring attention to this, that vilified a large number of people who are here legally in the community of springfield. the republican governor said it's not true, don't do it. there's consequences, but there's, there's contract. we could come together, send a link for, did it. we could come together and solve this. if we didn't let donald trump

continue to make it an issue, and the consequences in springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergarteners to school. i believe senator vance wants to solve this. but by standing with donald trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point. and when it becomes a talking point like this, we did humanize and billing eyes, other human beings, a tim governor, governor, your time is upset or i'll give you one minute. but let me just ask you the question 1st. at the governor has made the point, and i think as a setting lawmaker, you know, that congress controls the purse strings and any funding. so you have said repeatedly that donald trump would through executive action. solve this, do you disagree? that congress controls the purse strings? would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement . you have one minute look more at 1st of all, the gross majority of what we need do with the southern border is just empowering

law enforcement to do their job. i've been to the southern border more than our borders. our commer harris has been and it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want to be in power to do their job. of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in mexico. you've got to go back through the proper channels. a governor waltz broke, they brought up the community of spring field and he's very worried about the things that i said in springfield, look in springfield, ohio, and communities all across this country. you've got schools that are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed. you've got housing that is totally on affordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with americans for scarce homes. the people that i'm most worried about in springfield, ohio, are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by comma la harris's open border. it is a disgrace to him, and i actually think i agree with you. i think you want to solve this problem. but i don't think that come over here as does center. your time is up, governor,

you have one minute to respond. yeah, well, if it is one force meant that ask for the bill. they help craft it, they're the ones that supported it. it was good. that's because they know we need to do this. look, this issue of continuing to bring this up of not dealing with it. of blaming migrants for everything on housing. we could talk a little bit about wall street speculators to buying up housing and making them bless affordable, but it becomes a blame what this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate. i agree, it should not take 7 years for an a silent claim to be done. this bill gets it done in 90 days. then you start to make a difference in this and you start to adhere to what we know american principles. don't talk about my faith a lot. but matthew $2540.00 talks about to the least amongst us you'd want to meet . i think that's true of most americans, they simply want order to it this built to us it, it's funded. it's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people. thank you,

governor, and just to clarify. so for our viewers, springfield, ohio does have a large number of haitian, my friends, who have legal status, temporary protected, mark moore, i but, but thank you senator. we have, it is so much it got to morgan. i think it's important to turn out of the economy the, the rules were the fact check in since your fact checking me. i think it's important to say what's actually going on. so there's an application called the c b p one app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a comma la harris, open border one. that is not a person coming in applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years. thank you. sen, taishan of illegal immigration margaret. by thank you senator for either friday in the little high holiday and have all my was to get the senator was on the book since 1990. thank you gentlemen. we want to have that has not been on the books

gentlemen here. the audience can't hear you because your mikes are caught. we have so much we want to get to thank you for explaining the legal process. nora, thank you margaret. the academy is a top concern for voters. each of your campaigns has released an economic plan. so let's talk about the specifics. governor was vice president harrison failed a plan that includes billions and tax credits for manufacturing, housing and a renewed child tax credit. the wharton school says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.00 trillion dollars. how would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit governor? i'll give you 2 minutes. yeah, thank you. and comma harrison. i do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from. we both grew up in that we understand. so those are view out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good, it's healthy. that's what this is supposed to happen. you should be listening houses kind of impact me the ball forward plan. the common errors put out there is

one is talking about this housing issue. the one thing is there's 3000000 new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the for on that to get you on a house. our house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere. it's foundational to where you're at and then making sure that the things you buy every day. what did they be? prescription drugs or other things. but there's fairness in that. look the $35.00 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5.00 to make ends what they were charging $800.00 before the slide went into effect. as far as the housing goes, i've seen it in minnesota. 12 percent more houses in minneapolis, prices went down on rent, 4 percent. it's working and then making sure tax got to go to the middle class. $6000.00 tile tax credit. we have one in minnesota. reduces childhood property by a 3rd. we saved money in the long run and we do the right thing for families and that getting businesses off the ground, the law as it stands right now is $5000.00 tax credit for small business, increasing that the 50000. now this is a philosophical difference between us. donald trump made

a promise and i'll give you this. he kept it. he took the boat tomorrow. lago said you are richard. so let me give you a tax. got. he gave the tax cuts, it predominantly went to the top cash. what happened? there was an 8 trillion dollar increase in the national debt. the largest ever. now he's proposing a 20 percent consumption or sales tax on everything. we bring it. everyone agrees including businesses that with the b d, stabilizing it, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. look, this is simple for you. where are we going? complet harris has said to do the thing she wants to do. we'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. when you do that, our system works best. more people are participating in it, and folks have but things that they need. center. i want to give you a moment to respond on that. but similarly, the wharton school has done an analysis of the trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.00 trillion. my question is the same for you. how do you pay for all that without polluting the deficit? i'll give you 2 minutes. well, 1st of all, you're gonna hear

a lot from tim was this evening and you just heard it in the answer. a lot of what combo a harris proposes to do. and some of it, i'll be honest with you. it even sounds pretty good. here's what you want. here is the cala harris says already done it because she's been the vice president for 3 and a half years. she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies. and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food hire by 25 percent. drive the costs of housing hire by about 60 percent. open the american southern border and make middle class life on affordable for a large number of americans. of kala harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems and she ought to do them now. not want to ask them for promotion, but in the job the american people gave for 3 and a half years ago. and the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. now donald trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record, a lot of those same economists attack donald trump's plans and they have ph. d 's,

but they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom because donald trump's economic policy is to deliver to the highest take home pay in a generation in this country. 1.5 percent inflation and boot peace and security all over the world. so when people say that donald trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, i say look at the record, he delivered rising, he take on pay for american workers. now tim, admirably and mets that they want to undo the trump tax cuts. but if you look at what was so different about donald trump's tax cuts, even from the previous republican tax cut plan, is it a lot of those resources went to giving more take on pay to middle class and working class americans? it was passed in 2017 and you saw an american economic boom. and like we've seen in a generation in this country, that is a record that i'm proud to run on. and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the american dream again. i know a lot of you are struggling. i know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills. it's gonna stop when donald trump

brings back commonsense to this country governor. do you want to respond to that? what has come a hair is done for the middle? yeah, well come on here since day one was donald trump failure on cobra that led to the collapse for our economy. we were already before co video in a manufacturing recession, but 10000000 people had worked largest percentage since a great depression. 9000000 jobs closed on that, that was day watch whether it was the infrastructure act or other things we moved. now you, you made a question about experts said that i made a note of this economist. don't know, you can't be trusted science can't be trusted. national security folks can't be trusted. look, if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. donald trump believes he does. my pro tip of the day is best. if you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the mayo clinic and rochester, minnesota, not donald trump. and the same thing goes with this. and i asked you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers or whatever. how is it fair that you are paying your taxes every year? and donald trump hasn't paid any federal tax down the last 15 years. and last year's president? that's what's wrong with the system. there's a way around it,

and he's bragged about that. we're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want to have a minute. the governor use a trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off the china, we get cheaper goods. they lied about that. they said if we cheap shipped our industrial based off the other countries to mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. they were all about that. they were wrong about the idea that if we made america less self reliant, less productive in our own nation, that would somehow make us better off and they were wrong about it. and for the 1st time and the generation, donald trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus. we're not doing it anymore. we're bringing american manufacturing back, we're unleashing american energy. we're going to make more of our own stuff. and this isn't just an economic issue about 3 beautiful little kids at home, 74, and 2. and i, i love them very much. i hope they're in bed right now. but look so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children,

are manufactured by nations that hate us. this pass to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts. we're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what donald trump government senators have governor was. can you address that? i mean, voters say they trust donald trump on the economy more. why? if you're listening to night and you want billionaires get tax stretch, you heard with the numbers were, look, i'm a union guy on this. i'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but i understand that, look, we produce diabetes and corn. we need to have fair trading partners. that's something that we believe. and i think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is donald trump, was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in american history with china. so the rhetoric is good, much of what the senator said right there. i'm in agreement with him on this. i watched it happened to i watched it to my community and we talked about that. but we had people under cutting the right to collectively bargain. we had right to work, states made it more difficult. we had companies wanting to ship it over and we saw

people profit folks that folks that our venture capital, in some cases, putting money into companies that were overseas. we're in agreement that we bring those home. the issue is donald trump is talking about a comma here, which has a record $250000.00 more manufacturing jobs just in the higher rate that may respond to that. yes. so, so appreciate that. so if you notice what governor waltz just it is, is at 1st of all, donald trump has to listen to the experts. and then when he acknowledges the export screwed up, he said, well donald trump didn't do nearly as, as good a job as this. no, that's it goes general shed. so what tim also is doing, and i honestly, tim, i think you got a tough job here because you've got to play racquetball, you've got it for 10, but donald trump didn't delivered driving, take home pay, which of course he did. you've got to pretend that donald trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did, and then you simultaneously got to defend cala harris's atrocious economic record which has made gas groceries and housing on affordable for american citizens. i was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the

table and our household. i know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. we can do so much better to all of you watching. we can get back to america that's affordable. again, we just got to get back to common sense economic principles. i hope we have a conversation on health care that senator governor please. thank you margaret. we have a lot to get to head gentleman on many topics, but right now i want to talk about personal qualifications. the vice president is often the last voice, the president hears before making consequential decisions. we want to ask you about your leadership qualities, governor walls, you said you were in hong kong during the deadly gentleman square protest in the spring of 1989. the minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to asia until august of that year. can you explain that discrepancy?

yeah, well into the folks out there didn't get at the top of this book. i uh, i grew up in small rural, nebraska, uh, town of 400 town that you rode your bike with your body shop. the street lights come on and i'm proud of that service. i joined the national guard at 17 or 10 family farms and then i use the g. i bill to become a teacher passion about a young teacher. my 1st year out, i got the opportunity in the summer of $89.00 to travel to try to 35 years ago. be able to do that. i came back home and then started a program to take young people there. we would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to china. the issue for that was, was retry, enlarge. now look, my community knows who i am based all where i was at. they look, i, i will be the 1st to tell you, i have poured my heart into my community. i've tried to do the best i can, but i've not been perfect and i'm a knuckle head at times. but it's always been about that those same people elected me to congress for 12 years. and in congress,

i was one of the most bi partisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done working on veterans benefits. and then the people of minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice. so look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that i'm there for the people to make sure that i get this right. i will say more than anything. many times i, i will talk a lot, i will get caught up in the rhetoric but, but being there, the impact that made the difference that made my life. i learned a lot about china. i hear the critiques of this. i wouldn't make the case that donald trump should have come on one of those trips with us. i guarantee we wouldn't be, i praise encouraging, paying about co, but that i guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade or that he ends up losing. so this is about trying to understand the world . it's about trying to do the best you can for your community and manage, putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is. my commitment, whether it be through teaching, which i was good at. what, whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of congress? those are the things that i think are the values that people care about as governor

just to follow up on that. the question was, can you explain that know jeff and say all as i said on this was as i got there that summer and misspoke on this. so i, i will just that's what i've said. so i was in hong kong in china during the democracy broke just went in. and from that i learned a lot of what needed to be in in governance a thank you, governor senator vance. in 2016. you called your running mate, donald trump, on fit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be america's hitler. i know you've said you've been asked many times and you've said you regret those comments and explain you then voted for donald trump in 2020. but the washington post reported new messages last week and which you also disparaged trumps economic record. while he was president, writing to someone in 2020 quote, trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism. sure,

now is running late, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his. if you become vice president, why should americans trust that you will give donald trump the advice she needs to hear? and not just the advice she wants to hear you up to minutes? well 1st of all, margaret, cuz i've always been open. and sometimes of course, i've disagree with the president, but i've also been extremely open about the fact that i was wrong about donald trump. i was wrong 1st of all because i believe some of the media stories it turned out to be dennis on his fabrication of his record. but most importantly, donald trump delivered for the american people. rising wages rising take on pay an economy that works for normal americans. a secure southern border, a lot of things frankly, that i didn't think you'd be able to deliver on. and yeah, when you screw up when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the american people about it's one of the reasons margaret, why i've done so many interviews is because i think it's important to actually explain to the american people where i come down on the issues and what changed are

you you pointed out the messages from 2020 margaret. i've been extremely consistent, but i think they were a lot of things that we could have done better and the trump administration, the 1st round, if congress was doing its job i. i strongly believe that i been a united states senator, but congress has not just a high class debating society. it's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to wind about problems. it's a form to govern. so there were a lot of things on the border on terrorists, for example, where i think that we could have done so much more if the republican congress and the democrats in congress had been a little bit better about how the government, the country they were still obsessed with impeaching donald trump, they couldn't actually govern. i don't want to talk about this tier of issue in particular, margaret, because you would just accuse us of being a national sales tax. look, the one thing that you're either probably surprised to hear me praising joe biden. but the one thing that joe biden did is he continued some of the trump tariffs that protected american manufacturing jobs. and it's the one issue, the most pro worker part of the by the administration. it's the one issue where

cala harris has run away from jo biden's record. think about this if you're trying to employ slave laborers in china at $3.00 a day. you're going to do that and under cut the wages of american workers, unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're put paying middle class americans a fair wage center, your time is up north. thank you. now to the issue of reproductive rights, given roles after roe vs wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion. former president trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion quote in the 9th month is absolutely fine. yes or no. is that what you support? i'll give you 2 minute. it's not with the bill says, but look, this, this issue is what's on everyone's mind. donald trump put this all into motion. he brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturn roe versus

white, 52 years of personal autonomy. and then he tells us all we send it to the states. it's a beautiful thing, a man is or ski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing. a young bride in texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. she has a complication, appear in the membrane. she needs to go in the medical care at that point, needs to be decided by the doctor, and that would have been an abortion, but impact says that would have put them in legal jeopardy. she went home, got sepsis, nearly died, and now she may have difficulty having children or in kentucky. hadley to ball a 12 year old child rape and impregnated by her stepfather. those are her ripping. now. when got asked about that, senator vance said 2 wrongs. don't make a right there is no right in this. so in minnesota, what we did was restore roe vs wade. we made sure that we put women in charge of their health care. but look, this is not where if you don't know amanda or

a hadley you soon, well, their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. it's going to make it more difficult if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access if not, eliminate access to and fertility treatments for so many of you out there listening be included in for truly treatments or why have a child that's nobody else's business. but those things are being proposed and the catch all on this is, is well, the state will decide what's right for texas might not be right for washington. that's not how this works. this is basic human rights. we have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in texas. outpacing many other countries in the world. this is about health care in minnesota, we are ranked 1st and health care for a reason. we trust women, we trust doctors center. they want to respond to the governor's claim. will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency then or certain? certainly we won't. and i want to talk about this issue because i know

a lot of americans care about, and i know a lot of americans don't agree with everything that i've ever said on this topic. and, you know, i, i grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where i knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate this pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options. and you know, i, one of them is actually very dear to me and i know she's watching tonight. and i love you. and she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship. and i think that what i take from that as a republican who probably wants to protect innocent life in this country who probably wants to protect the vulnerable is my party. we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the american people's trust back on this issue where they, frankly, just don't trust us. and i think that's one of the things that donald trump and i are endeavoring to do. i want us as a republican party to be pro family in the fullest sense of the word i want us to

support fatality treatments. i want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. i want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family. i think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options. now, you know, of course, donald trump is very clear that on the abortion policy specifically, that we have a big country and it's diverse in california has a different view point on this. and georgia, georgia has a different view point from arizona and the proper way to handle this as messy as democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions. let the individual states make their abortion policy. and i think that's what makes the most sense. and a very big a very diverse and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country governor. would you like to respond and also answer the question yeah. restrictions. yeah. well the question got asked donald trump maybe accusation that wasn't true about minnesota. well, let me tell you about this idea that there's the 1st state, there's

a young woman named amber thurman. she happened to be in georgia, a restricted state because of that, she had to travel a long distance to north carolina to try and get her care. amber sermon died in that journey back and forth. the fact, the matter is, how can we as a nation, say that your life and your rights as a basic, as the right to control your own body is determined on geography. there's a very real chance that amber thurman lived in minnesota. she wouldn't be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe vs wade. when you listen to vice president harris talk about this subject, can you hear me talk about it? you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what's under band said about what's happening is running, mate though, does not. and that's the problem. governor, your time is up, senator. let me ask you about that. he mentioned it was, i think, referring to a national band in the past, you have supported

a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. in fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. my question is, why have you changed your position? well nor 1st of all, i never supported a national ban. i did during what i was running for senate 2020, to talk about setting some minimum national standard. for example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level . i don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least i hope not. so i know that democrats have taken a very radical pro abortion stance. but nora, you know, one of the things that change is in the state of ohio, we had a referendum in 2023, and the people of ohio voted overwhelmingly by the way, against my position. and i think what i learned from that, nor is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust. so many young women would love to have families. so many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy is something that's

going to destroy their livelihood. destroy their education, destroy their relationships, and we have got to earn people's trust back. and that's why donald trump and i are committed to pursuing pro family policies, making child care more accessible of making fertility treatments more accessible because we've got to do a better job with that. and that's what real leadership as governor and your response, why i'm going to respond on the, on the pro abortion piece of that. no, we're not, we're pro women or pro freedom to make your own choice. we know what the implications are to not be that women having miscarriages women not getting the care physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care. and as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, minnesota is the state to bundle lowest teen pregnancy rates. we understand that too. we know that the options need to be available and we make that true. we also make it were a top 3 state for the best place to raise children. but these 2 things to try and say that were pro children,

but we don't like this are or you guys are pro abortion. that's not the case at all . we are pro freedom to for women to make their choices, and we're going and cala harris is making the case to make options for children more affordable at $6000.00 child tax credit. but we're not going to base on, on the backs of making someone like amber thurman, drive 600 miles to try and get health care center. it may respond to that. first of all, governor, i agree with the amber thurman should still be alive and there lot of people who should still be alive, and i certainly wish that she was. and maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me. but as i read of the minnesota law that you signed into, into, into, into law, the statute that you sign in the law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives the doctor, is under no obligation to provide life saving care to a baby who survives a botched late term abortion. that is, i think it was not true choice or for a lot or that is fundamentally barbaric. and that's why i use that word, nor is because some of what we seen do you want

a forced catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will? because commonly harris has supported suing catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. we can be a big and diverse country where respect people's freedom of conscience and makes the country more pro, maybe in pro family will please. yes, good governor please respond. look, this is one where there's always something. this is a very simple proposition. these are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions, and the positions come know best when they need to do this, trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point that's not it at all. is that wrong enough, governor? i believe it's telling me that what was the way the law is written to look like people, how i've given this advice on a lot of things that getting involved and you get such been misread and it was fact checked the last page. but the point on this is, is there is a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved. i use this line on this, just mind your own business on this things work best when roll versus wade was in place. when we do a restoration of ro that works best, that doesn't preclude us from being creasing funding for children. it doesn't

increase us for making sure that once that child's born, like in minnesota, they get meals, they get early childhood education, they get health care. so the hiding behind, we're going to do all these other things when you're not proposing them in your budget. campbell harris is proposing up. she's proposing all those things to make life easier for families. i asked the specific question, governor, you gave me a slogan as a risk. if i'm not the case, it's not true. that's not what the law set. so the fact checked it with president trump a gentleman's, there's a lot to discuss. we have to move on and we're gonna be right back with much more of the cbs news vice presidential debate in just a moment. the will be returning to the debate shortly. but 1st, let's turn to all the news of the day and it, ron has. no, it's a major, missed all the time on, is round nearly $200.00 rockets. so find directory access rel described as

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our resolve to strike back. it means you're wrong, revolutionary guard course says the attack was in response to the assassinations of has been the leader has and those sort of law in beirut. how much political jesus made honey into iran, as well as the killings of several iranian army officials. iran is president must, who would possess gan, posted on ex, saying, based on legitimate rights and with the aim of peace and security for iran in the region. a decisive response was given into the aggressions of the zionist regime. this action was in defense of iranian interest and citizens. that's in yahoo should know that iran is not war mongering, but it will firmly stand against any threat. this is just a glimpse of our capabilities. do not engage in conflict with a ron. for his part us president joe biden, reiterated americans full support of israel. my directions nice is military, actively supported, defensive is and we're still especially the inside. but based on what we know now,

the tech peers to have it defeated and in effect. and this is testing that is relevant military capability and us i'm also is also a testament to test some planning between united states and israel, alternative fate and defend against praise of attacks and expect the big question. now, what comes next in this dangerous cycle of escalation, uncertainty throughout the region is very much on the rise and fears of a broader conflict engulfing the middle east are in all times how much into the disease. so the break sions were held on the streets of to hong, they roots buckets on garza thousands got the wrong palestine square waving the country's flag as well as that of the lebanese and has the flags. this was around seconds. recent direct subtract. one is right often earlier operation and 8. so that was in response to a deadly use radio stripe on the radio and consume it's in damascus around 40

minutes before that fully, all the range and missiles that hit as well. there was a shooting and stopping attack in the city of the alpha. at least 7 people have been killed and several others wounded is ready. the police say the shooters were shot dead. they have since rated palestinian homes in the city of hebron in the occupied westbank. this is randy as strikes discontinued, and the southern suburbs of bade root flames and smoke could be seen in the da here area of the lebanese capital is ran against us. it was targeting hezbollah sites. on tuesday, there was several strikes the cost of a route, including on an apartment block. now the israel says its troops crossed into southern lebanon for what his courting limited and targeting raised against the group of the. well, let's take you straight to that,

the debates being hosted by the us network cdl debate. we want to turn now to america as gun violence. academic, the leading cause of death for children and teens in america is by firearms, sen, vance. you oppose. most gun legislation that democrats claim would curb a gun violence. you oppose red flag, gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi automatic rifles including a r fifteens. so let me ask you earlier this year for the 1st time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. do you think holding parents responsible to curb mat shootings? i'll give you 2 minutes. it will lower on that particular case. i don't know the full details, but i certainly trust the local law enforcement of local authorities to make those decisions. i think in some cases the answer is going to be yes. and in some cases, the answer is going to be no. and the details really matter here. of course, for example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different. that if

a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous. but look, i want to just sort of speak as a father of 3 beautiful little kids that are our oldest is now in 2nd grade. and like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the 1st day of school. and we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are gonna experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. and of course, our hearts come out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff. and we do have to do better. and i think that governor walls and i actually probably agree that we need to do better on this. the question is just how do we actually do it? now here, here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic a violence, the gross majority close to 90 percent and some of the systems i've seen of the gun violence in this country is committed with a legally obtained firearms. and while we're on that topic, we know that things to come with harris's open border. we've seen a massive influx and the number of a legal guns run by the mexican drug cartels. so that number, then the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today. but it was 3 and

a half years ago. but what do we do about the schools? what do we do to protect our kids? and i think the answer is, and i, and i say this not loving the answer because i don't want my kids to go to school and, and in a school that feels unsafe or where they're visible signs of security. but unfortunately, think that we have to increase security in our schools. we have to make the door's locked better. we have to make the door stronger. we've got to make the window stronger. and of course we've got to increase school resource officer is because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys. it just doesn't fit with recent experience. so we've got to make our school safer. and i think we've got to have some common sense by part and solutions for how to do that. governor, you have 2 minutes. well, i think all the parents watching tonight, this is this your biggest nightmare? look, i got a, i got a 17 year old and, and he witnessed a shooting at the community center, playing volleyball. those things don't leave you as a member of congress. i set in my office,

surrounded by dozens up to san diego parents. and they were looking at my 7 year old picture on the wall, they're 7 year old, her dad, and they were asking us to do something. and look, i'm a hunter, i own firearms. the vice president is. we understand that the 2nd amendment is there, but our 1st responsibilities to our kids to figure this out in minnesota, we've acted enhanced red flag lodge, enhanced background checks, and we can start to get data. but here's the problem. if we really want to solve this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence. and this idea that we should just live with it and i and i, here's what i do think that this is a good start to the conversation. i 100 percent believe that senator benz hates when these get to the it's a board and it breaks your heart. i. i agree with that, but it's that's not far enough. when we know there things that work, i spent time in finland and seeing some finished schools. they don't have this happen. even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country. there are reasonable things that we can

do to make a difference. it's not infringing on your 2nd amendment and the idea to have some of these weapons out there. it just doesn't make any sense. cala harris as an attorney general worked on this issue. she knows that it's there. no one's trying to scare mongering to say we're taking your guns, but i ask all of you out there. do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort? does that, is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills? they're being kids, we owe it to them to get a fix. these are things that shouldn't be that difficult. you can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference. we have to if you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart. senator 10. first of all, i didn't know that you're 17 year old. witness the shooting. i'm sorry about that and i appreciate what i say. it's not at christ, have mercy. it is, it is awful. and i appreciate what, what tim said actually about finland because i do think it illustrates some of the,

the, frankly, we're differences between our own countries, gun violence problem and, and finland is great for. first of all, we have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health and substance abuse. we have way higher rates of depression, way or higher rates of anxiety. we unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that i really do think that we need to get to the root causes because i don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem. but i do think it's a big piece of it. another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids. it doesn't earned as many headlines, but is that terrible gun violence problem and a lot of our big cities. and this is why we have to empower a law enforcement to arrest the bad guys. put them away and take gun offenders off the streets. i think is a whole host of things that we can do here. but i do think at our schools, we've got to talk about more security center. thank you, governor. and you previously a pause and assault weapons ban. but it's only later in your political career. did you change your position? was i got set in that office with the san diego parents that become friends with

school shooters. i've seen it look the and all right. i was entering guide for a long time. they used to teach con safety. i'm of an age work. my shot gun was in my car, so i could pheasant on that for football practice. that's not where we live today. and several things i wanna mention on this is talking about cities and where it's at the number one where the most firearm does happen in minnesota. are real suicides, and we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves. and so we have and we should look at all of the issues. making sure folks have health care and all that. but i want to be very careful. this idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue, doesn't mean you're violent. and i think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat. sometimes it just is the guns. it's just the guns and, and there are things that you can do about it, but i do think that this is one, and i think this a healthy conversation. i think there's a capacity to find solutions on this, that work. protect the 2nd amendment protector, children,

that's our priority settlement. thank you margaret. thank you. nora. let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent. and there's a shortage of more than 4000000 homes in the united states. and that contributes to the high housing prices, governor walls. the harris campaign promises a $25000.00 down payment assistance for 1st time home buyers and a $10000.00 tax credit. they also promise to build 3000000 new homes. where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive a price is higher? no, it's not handing it. we have 1st, let me say this, this issue of housing. and i think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity. it can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around. those are not folks living in those houses, those you listening tonight. that house a big deal. i bought and owned one house in my life. my mom still lives in the

house where i was and when i think of a house, i'm thinking a christmas services after midnight. may i ask where you go with your family? we need to make it more affordable. and one of the things, as i said, this program that the vice president is, is up pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in minnesota from that lead . we in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. it starts to make it easier. we cut some of the red tape, local folks, look, we can't do at the federal level, but local folk make it easier to build those homes. and then the down payment assistance, i can tell all of you out there. one of the certainly for me using the g i bill was one thing, but a veterans, home loan. the big thing about a veterans home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment. those are things that make it there. know, look, you're going to pay it back and you're going to pay your mortgage. those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generating a wealth that's created from it. and i will give minneapolis an example. minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rate. we've seen

a 12 percent increase in stock because we put some of these things in and we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance. we get it back from people because here's what we know. people with staple housing and up with stable jobs, people, what stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school? all of those things in the long run end up saving our money. and that's the thing that i think we should be able to find some common ground in. but we can't blame immigrants for the only reason. that's not the case that's happening. and many cities, the fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough natural. we are forwarding a affordable housing, but we can make sure that the governments there to helps kickstart it create that create that base governor your time is up senator vance. and as far as your campaigns position, the promise is to seize federal lands, to build homes, remove regulation, provide, tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices. or where are you going to build all the new homes

you're promising? and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief? you have 2 minutes? well, 1st of all tend to set something that i agree with. we don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame calmly. harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this house right now, which does drive up cost him. 25000000 illegal aliens competing with americans for scarce homes is one of his most significant drivers of home prices in the country. it's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases and illegally alien populations under complet harris's leadership. now tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas about some of those ideas actually think are halfway decent and some of them i disagree with. but the most important thing here is calmly, harris is not running as a new comer to politics. she is the sitting vice president if she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable. i invite her to use the

office that the american people already gave for, not sit around and campaign and do nothing. while americans find the american dream of home ownership completely on a fordable that you asked margaret what would immediately change the equation for american citizens. if you lower energy prices, as donald trump says, drill baby drill. one of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about it. if a truck driver is paying 40 percent more for diesel than the lumber he is delivering to the job site to build a house is also going to become a lot more expensive. if we open up american energy, you won't get immediate pricing, release the relief for american citizens, not by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods to or sunday or vance. you still have 23 seconds there. do you want to answer? i know where the governor we will get to you in a moment. but senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands? can you clarify what donald trump, as soon as we have a lot of sort of lands that aren't being used for anything that aren't being used for national parks,

they're not being used. and they could be places where we build a lot of housing. and i do think that we should be opening up a building in this country. we have a lot of land that it could be used. we have a lot of americans that need homes. we should be kicking out a legal immigrants who are competing for those homes. and we should be building more homes for the american citizens who deserve to be here seminary. your time is up, governor. i do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in with my friend who in again as well back back. so i guess i agreed not to fact check, i'll check it. the look crossings are down compared to and donald trump lift office, but it's again blaming and not trying to find a solution i was going to asked on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land? and i think when people hear federal lands, there's a really important pieces of land that minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands. i know in the western part of the countries we do, there's not a lot of federal lands in and around minneapolis for example. so the issue is, i don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this and i worry about

this is someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. look minnesota, we protect these things. we've got about 20 percent of the world's fresh water. these lands protect, they're there for a reason. they belong to all of us. but again, this is when you view housing and you view these things as commodities that there's a chance to make money or let's take this federal land and much sell it to people for that. i think there's better ways to do this. we've seen it in minnesota, we're able to refer be some of these houses. we're able to make some investments that gets people in and i'm still on the fact on this economist, you center of entry said you don't like the economist, which economists are saying that it is immigrants, it's adding to the cost of and are definitely are. so i'm, as i think there's our time is up, but, but senator, on that point i'd like for you to clarify, there are many, any contributing factors to high housing costs. what evidence do you have that my grants are part of this problem? well, there's a federal reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate we opened up on social media, actually that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of

migration, especially illegal immigration at higher housing prices. now course murder, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices, it's also the regulatory regime of commer harris. but we are a country of builders. we're a country of doors, we're a country of explorers, but we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources. makes it harder to build things and wants to throw people in jail for not doing every thing exactly as calmly. harris as they have to do. and what that means is you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes, actually agree with them all. we should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity. but the thing that is most turn housing into a commodity is giving it a way to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here. what are the federal regulations i deal with as a governor? you can very quickly reply. i'm sorry. i get, this is a governor and, and i don't necessarily disagree with that, that in some cases, many of those are local. many of them are state,

i don't know which ones are federal, but i think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them. i think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire. i think you want to make sure that it's fire proof and those types of things, so which are the regulations because the vice president is not responsible for those congress, right? stults seminar. thanks your gentlemen. we have a lot to get through your passionate about the housing crisis. i can tell. but nora, thank you. one of the top problems facing americans is the high cost of health care sen advance. at the last presidential debate, former president trump was asked about replacing the affordable care act in response. he said i have concepts of a plan since that, and senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill americans get health insurance. can you explain how that would work? and can you guarantee that americans with pre existing conditions won't pay more? i'll give you 2 minutes. well, of course we're going to cover americans with preexisting conditions. in fact,

a lot of my family members have gotten health care. i believe, you know, number members of my family actually got private health insurance at least for the 1st time switched off of medicaid on the private insurance for the 1st time under donald trump's leadership. and i think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark. it's very simple, common sense. i think it's tim olsh notice from 12 years and congress, you're not going to propose a $900.00 page bill standing on a debate stage. it would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything. because part of this is the given take of bi partisan negotiation, that when donald trump was actually president and again, he has a record to be proud of. prescription drugs fell in 2018 for the 1st time in a very long time. but a couple of here it says leadership, prescription drugs are of about 7 percent under donald trump's entire 4 years. they were up about one and a half percent. he introduced to pricing transparent. so you think about health care, you go into a hospital, you try to buy something and nobody knows what does actually cost that price. transparency will actually give american consumers

a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs. and we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what i was talking about with donald trump. it has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both a chronically ill but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan. he actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the united states. and i think you could make a good, really good argument that it's salvage to obamacare, which was doing disastrously until donald trump came along. i think it's an important point about president trump. of course, you don't have to agree with everything the president trump has ever said or ever done. but when obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs down, stop could have destroyed the program. instead, he worked in a bi partisan way to ensure that americans had access to affordable care. it's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do. but i think that donald trump has earned the right to put in place some better health care policies. he's earned it because

he did it successfully the 1st time cutter. all right, here's what, being an old guy gives you some history. i was there at the creation of the a ca and the reason it was so important as i come from a major health care stay home of the mayo clinic. home to medical alley, 3 m med tronic. all of those we understand health care. it's why we're rank 1st on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care. and so what i know is under comma harris, more people are covered than they have before. knows if you listening, this is critical to you. not donald trump, all of a sudden, once you go back and remember this, he ran on the 1st thing he was going to do one day one was to repeal obama care on day one. he tried to sign an executive order to repeal b, a. c, a e, signed onto a lawsuit to repeal the a c a but last at the supreme court. and he would have repealed the ca had it not been for the courage of john mccain to save that bill. now fast forward what that

means to you is you lose your preexisting conditions. if you're sitting at home and you got asthma to bad, if you're a woman, probably not broke your put during football might kick you out. your kids get kicked out when they're 26 comma air negotiated drug prices for the 1st time with medicare. we have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there. but look, this issue. and when donald trump said, i got a concept of a plan that cracked me up as a 4th grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. but what senator benz just explain might be worse than a concept because what he explained is pre obamacare. and i'll make this as simple as possible because i have done this for a long time. what there's saying? yes, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more? so what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure because guess what happens, you pay your premium, it's not much their figure, they're not going to have to pay up to you. but those of you little older grey, you know, got cancer. you're gonna get kicked out of it. that's why the system didn't work.

complex errors will protect and enhance the ca, the governor. thank you senator. you have not yet explained to how you would protect people with preexisting conditions or laid out that plan what we currently have a laws and regulations in a place in place right now that protects people with preexisting conditions. we wanna keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better than what governor walters said is actually not true. a lot of what happened in the reason that obamacare was crushing under its own weight. is it a lot of young and healthy people were leading the exchanges. donald trump actually helped address that problem. and he did so in a way that preserved people's access to coverage who had preexisting conditions. but again, it is something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about. it's donald trump's becomes president. all of these terrible consequences are going to into but in reality, donald trump was president, inflation was low, take on pay was higher. and he said the very program from

a democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed. absent his leadership, he did his job, which is governed in a bi partisan way and get results. not just complained about problems, but actually solve them. governor did enrollment under the affordable care act, go up under the trump administration. it's, it's higher now that we tend to go up like people are using it, the system works. and the question about this, of young people, whatever. that's the individual mandate piece of this. and republicans fought tooth and nail, saying, well, american should be free to do this. well then what happened is, i don't mind. it's a good idea. i'm shrinking. i think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover it, but that's the only way insurance works when it doesn't collapse. as you are asking pre a ca where we get people out. look, people know that they need to be on health care. people expect it to be there. and when we are able to make it and we are making it this way. when we consent, advise people to be in the market. when we help people who might not be able to

afford it, get there and we make sure then when you get 2nd old, it's there for you because i people say, well i don't, i don't want to buy into medicare, whatever. good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70. so look the a c a works we can continue to do better. commer harris did that. the way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on medicare for the 1st time in american history. thank you. all right, can i or i was, i apologize, we're out of time in a number of subjects to discuss margaret, let's talk about families in america. there is a child care crisis in this country and the united states is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents. governor walls, you said that if democrats, when both the white house and congress, this is a day one priority for you, how long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taken care of their new warrant? you have 2 minutes. yeah. well, that's negotiable. and that's what congress worked,

but here's what the deal is. americans sending out there right now. you may work for a big company. look, we're home in minnesota to some of the largest fortune 500 companies. commer harris knows that in color are in california. those companies provide paid family medical leave. one is i think they're more when they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. we in minnesota pastor paid family medical leave, you have a child, you and i had to go back to work 5 days after my kids were born. this allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. what we know is that gets the child off to a better start. the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that. so calmly, harris has made it a priority. we implemented in minnesota and we see growth. that's how you become a pro business state, but the negotiations on it. and here's the issue. those big companies are able to offer it. those of you out there who don't have it. just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. we know what happens, you end up staying home in some places that that means no paycheck,

cause you've got no protection on that. this is the case of an economy that donald trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us. these willing to give those, the tax breaks to the wealthiest. he's willing to say, bustles unions are do whatever. what we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us. and so a paid family medical leave program and i will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them as far as childcare on this, you have to take it that both the supply and the demand side. you can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, or our parents to get paid the least amount of money. and we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business. and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that, we were able to do it in minnesota. and i'm still telling you this. we were listed as the best state. we're still in crisis on this federal program, a paid family and medical leave and help with this really enhance our workforce, enhance or families, and make it easier to have the children that you want governor, your time is up,

send it or do you support a national paid leave program and if so for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn? you have 2 minutes. it will, 1st of all, margaret, a number of my republican colleagues and some democrats to go forward on this issue . and i think there is a bi partisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue. we look, i, i, i speak from this very personally because i'm married to a beautiful woman who was an incredible mother to our 3 beautiful kids, but as also a very, very brilliant corporate litigate her. and i'm so proud of her. but being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife is extraordinarily difficult. and it's not just difficult from a policy perspective. she actually have access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. but the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, i think makes it really hard for people to choose the family model. they want a lot of young women who would like to go back to work immediately. some would like

to spend a little time home with the kids. some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. we should have a family care model that makes choice possible. i think this is a very important steps and the difference between donald trump accomplish here as this approach. i mean look, if you look at the federal programs that we have, the support paid family leave right now. the community development block grant, and there's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government. these programs only go to one kind of child care model. what's that? you'd like your church maybe to help you out with child care. maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide child care. and the way that makes the most sense, you don't get access to any of these federal monies. we want to promote choice and how we deliver family care and how we promote child care. because look, it is on an acceptable. and you know, of course simon, i've been on the campaign trail a lot, the past 7 or 8 weeks. and one of the biggest complaints i hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care of for their kids. that

is an incredible burden to put on american families where the only country that does it. i think we could do a heck of a lot better. set it up. thank you. you have also said senator vance, many things about the american family. the federal reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month. so want to get your thoughts on this. uh, president trump recently said as much as child care is talked about as being expensive. it's relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers will be taking in is present from committed to the $5000.00 per child tax credit. but you have described your one minute president trump said margaret, i just wanna defend my running maybe or a little bit is that we're going to be taking a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas. and penalizing countries who employ a slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and under cut

the wages of american workers. it's the heart of the donald trump economic plan, cut taxes for american workers and american families. cut taxes for businesses that are hiring in building companies in the united states of america. but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas. that's the heart of the economic proposal. and i think what president trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, child care options that are viable and workable for a lot of american families. can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? well, because as tim said, a lot of the child care shortages, we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options. and we're going to have to, unfortunately look, we're gonna have to spend more money. we're going to have to induce more people to want to provide child care options for american families. because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got a way to few people providing this various central service. thank you. center

governor walls. your ticket also has some child care tax credit proposals. do you think congress will agree to the $6000.00 credit for newborns and $3000.00 credit for children over the age of 6? as your campaign has promised, is a realistic. well, if these members of congress are listed, anybody i can tell you and, and this is the biggest issue. everybody listening tonight knows, i mean, i'm sure they were shocked to hear. it's not that expensive. and let's be clear whether it's $5000.00 or $6000.00. that please you about 3 or 4 months. let's be clear of where we're at on this use because we got out of it in balance on this. we thought we were going to get by, by not paying people. i don't think center banter that and i or that for a part, i'm not opposed what he's talking about on, on options. we've done scholarship types of things. i think we need to be open to making the case. but the issue areas, the question you asked is you're not going to pay for it with these terrorists. that's just adding another $4000.00 on the family and taking less. so not only do they not get the money to pay for that,

there are $4000.00 in the hole that toward in school. that's it. that's his alma mater. and so i think the issue areas, those members of congress, i can't believe they're not when i go to businesses. sure. they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with child care and they will lead with housing because we know the problem is especially the state like minnesota. we need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need to workforce governors. thank you. we need to move on. nora, let's talk about the state of democracy. the top issue for americans after the economy and inflation. after the 2020 election president trump in pain and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. judges, including those appointed by president trump, and other republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no wide spread fraud. the governors of every state in the nation. republicans and democrats certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to congress for january 6th,

senate advance you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors that has been called unconstitutional, and the legal would you again seek to challenge this year's election results, even if every governor certifies the results. so i'll give you 2 minutes when you are, 1st of all, i think you were focused on the future. we need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by comma here is as policies make housing affordable, make groceries affordable. and that's what we're focused on. but i wanna answer your question because you did ask it. but what president trump has said is that there were problems in 2020 and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues to beat those issues peacefully in the public square. and that's all i've said, and that's all. but donald trump is said, remember, he said that on january, the 6th of protesters out of protest peacefully and on january the 20th, what happened, joe biden became the president. donald trump left the white house. and now of

course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the harris biden administration. i believe we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that comma le harris and tim was want to talk about. it is the threat of censorship. it's americans casting aside a lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics. it's big technology companies, silencing their fellow citizens. and it's couple of harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow americans, she liked a sense for people who engage in as information. i think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last 4 years in the last 40 years. now i'm really proud, especially given that i was raised by 2 lifelong blue collar democrats to have the endorsement of bobby kennedy junior and tulsa gabbert lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition. of course, they don't agree with me and donald trump on every issue. we don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind the basic american 1st and in that principle that we ought

to beat our differences. we have to argue about them. we ought to try to persuade our fellow americans calmly. harris is engaged in censorship. at an industrial scale, she did it during cove it and she's done it over a number of other issues. and back to me is a much bigger threat to democracy. been what donald trump said when he said the protest or should peacefully protest on january the 6th governor? well, i've enjoyed tonight's debate and i think it was a lot of commonality here. and i'm, i'm sympathetic to miss speaking on things that i think i might have with the, with the senator buddy to manage why there's one know that this will, this one is troubling to me. and i say that because i think we need to tell the story. donald trump refused to acknowledge this. and the fact is that i don't think we can be the frog and the potluck, the boiling water go up. he was very clear. i mean, he lost the selection and he said he did. a 140 police officers were beaten up the capital that day. so i'm with the american flag supple later died and it wasn't just in there. in minnesota, a group gathered on the state capital grounds in saint paul and said were marching

to the governor's resident's and there may be casualties. the only person there was my son and his dog was rushed out crying by state police of that issue. and mike pen standing there as they were chanting, hang mike pants. mike pence made the right decision. so senator, it was a jew, dictated over and over and over. i worked with kids long enough to know and i said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election. you shake hands and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side when that's, that's what was at stake here. now the thing i most concerned about is the idea that imprisoning your, your political opponents, already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this and a president's words matter. a president, words matter. people hear that. so i think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box shaking hands when we lose being honest about it,

but to deny what happened on january 6th, the 1st time in american history that a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election in a peaceful transfer of power, and here we are 4 years later in the same boat. i will tell you this bit when this is over, we need to shake hands the selection. and the winner needs to be the winner. this has got to stop. it's during our country part margaret to serve as did you want to respond to that? yeah, we'll look to them. first of all, it's really rich for democratic leaders to say that donald trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on january the 20th . as we have done for 250 years in this country, we're going to shake hands after this debate and after the selection of course, i hope that we went and i think we're going to win. but of tim waltz as the next vice president, you'll have my prayers who have my best wishes and i'll have my help whenever he wants it. but we'd have to remember that for years in this country,

democrats protested the results of elections. hillary clinton in 2016 said that donald trump had the election stolen by vladimir putin because the russians bought like $500000.00 worth of facebook ads. this has been going on for a long time. and if we wanna say that we need to respect the results of the election, i'm on board. but if we want to say it's tim also saying that this is just a problem that republicans have had, don't buy that governor january 6 was not facebook ads. and i think of revisionist history on this look, i, i, i don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was, that happened, donald trump, can you do it? and all of us say there is no place for this. it has massive repercussions. this idea that there censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to kill someone threatening do something that's not, that's not censorship. censorship is banning. we've seen that. we've seen that brought up. i just think for everyone tonight and, and i,

i'm gonna think sen bands. i think this is the conversation they want to hear, and i think there's a lot of agreement. this is one that we are miles apart on. this was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen. and it manifested itself because of donald trump's inability to say he is still saying he didn't lose the election. i would just have tried. did he lose the 2020 election? tim, i'm focused on the future did calmly harris sensor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 cove. its situation that is, that she didn't like that. is it damage not answer as she is, it may not answer for you to not talk about censorship. obviously, donald trump, it, i think that there were problems in 2020 we've talked about it. i'm happy to talk about it further, but you guys attack us for not believing in democracy the most sacred right under the united states democracy is the 1st amendment. you yourself have said there's no 1st amendment right to misinformation complet harris. what's the government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds?

that is a threat to democracy that will long outlived this present political moment. i would like democrats and republicans to both reject censorship. let's persuade one another. let's argue about ideas and then let's come together afterwards. you can't, you know, fire in a crowded theater. that's, that's the task that's just bring court task. tim fire in a crowded theater. you guys wanted to kick people off of facebook for saying that and toddler should know about our debt. how about for us to rely on a crowded theater? that is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every american center. the governor does have to for, for one minute to assign to you. yeah, but i don't run facebook. what i do know is, is i see a candidate out there who refused. and now again, and this, i'm pretty shocked by this. he lost the election. this is not a debate, it's not it's, it's not anything anywhere other than donald trump squirrel. because look, when my parents made that decision to certify that election, that's why mike pennsic isn't on the stage. what i'm concerned about is,

where is the firewall with donald trump? where is a firewall? if he knows he can do anything including taking an election. and he's vice president stock and it's down to it. that's what we're asking you. america will you stand up? will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't? and i think calmly, harris would agree, she went to pick me if she didn't think i would do that. because of course, that's what we would do. so america, i think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's gonna honor that democracy and who, who's got honor donald trump summoner, your time is up. thank you, gentlemen. we will be right back with both of our candidates to cbs news, vice presidential to be continued. well, we will be returning to the debate shortly. but 1st, let's turn to other news and iran has launched a major missed all the time on israel. nearly $200.00 rockets were fired,

which is described as a reaction to these ray, the killing of hezbollah. lita house on the sort of law, how much data is mine? him a and seen the all g c come on to israel says, or responses coming bots, iran ones is ready to attack again if provides how much them june has this reports the intel of eve, the sound of sirens reverberated throughout the city and explosions, lit up the night sky is overhead israel's air defenses, intercepting some of the almost 200 ballistic missiles iran launched towards the country. israel's army called the wrong as actions a serious attack. when prime minister benjamin netanyahu addressed the nation, he insisted the attack had failed, while vowing it would not go unanswered. you're gonna stop it or run, made a big mistake tonight and it will pay for it. so i'm still,

you're writing writing doesn't understand that determination to defend ourselves or our resolve to strike back. it means you're wrong, revolutionary guard course says the attack was in response to the assassination. that has been the leader has and those sort of law in beirut. how much political jesus made honey into iran, as well as the killings of several iranian army officials. iran is president must, who would possess gan, posted on ex, saying, based on legitimate rights and with the aim of peace and security for iran in the region. a decisive response was given to the aggressions of the zionist regime. this action was in defense of iranian interest and citizens. and that's an yahoo should know that iran is not war mongering, but it will firmly stand against any threat. this is just a glimpse of our capabilities. do not engage in conflict with a ron. for his part us president joe biden reiterated americans full support of israel. my direction nice is military actively support the defense of this. and

we're still assessing the impact. but based on what we know now, the tech peers to have it defeated and in effect. and this is testament is relative military capability and us. and i'm also also testing it to a testing plan between the united states and israel. dentist, pate, and defend against praise of attack, we expect the big question now. what comes next in this dangerous cycle of escalation, uncertainty throughout the region is very much on the rise and fears of a broader conflict engulfing the middle east. are in all time how much into the disease celebrations were held on the streets of to her on the route bung signs and garza thousands gathered in their rooms, palestinian square waving the excellent trees flying as well as the lebanese and his bullet flies. this was the wrong 2nd recent door ready to attack them. israel often earlier operation in april, which is said, was a response to

a deadly is ready to strike on the range and close to that in damascus. around 40 minutes before that fully of a rainy and miss solves hit as well. that was the shooting, as well as the stopping attack in the city of ya. for at least 7 people have been killed and several others wounded. is ready. please save the shooters with shots that they have since rated palestinian homes in the city of hebron in the occupied west bank now is ready as strikes have continued in the southern suburbs all the route flames and smoke could be seen and the da here aerial, the lebanese capital is rarely against, as it was target st. hezbollah sites on tuesday. that was several strikes across bay roots, including an apartment building out the israel says its troops cross since the southern lebanon, ford is closing limits. and targeted raids against the group will

not be taking you back to the debate. so just being hosted by us network c b s. news the welcome back to the c. s. who is the vice presidential debate? it is now time for the closing statement. senator vance. one, the virtual coin toss and elected to go last. so governor was, you are 1st, you have 2 minutes. well, thank you centered advance. thank you to cbs news and most importantly, thank you to all of you. if you're still up and the folks who missed dancing with our stars, i appreciate it. but look, the support of the democracy matters. it matters that you're here and i'm a surprised does anybody of this coalition that com, what harris is built from? bernie sanders to dick cheney taylor swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there. and they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic. people, they believe in a positive future this country. and one world politics can be better than it is. and i have to tell you that, that better than it is,

is this sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone, not just to get by, but to get ahead. and the idea that freedom really means something, not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom, your exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself. now. well, we all know who donald trump is. he's told us and his, my angela said, believe him when he told you that his 1st inaugural dress talked about american carnage and any sport. it's about 4 years trying to maybe do that. so in advance tonight made it clear he will stand with donald trump's agenda. he will continue to push down that road. excuse me. kama harris gives us a different option. now i'll have to tell you how i'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that senator vance said that doesn't resonate with me. he said donald trump makes the people i care about afraid. a lot of america feels that way . we don't need to be afraid. franklin roosevelt was right. also we have to fear is

fear itself. calmly, harris is bringing us a new white board. she's bringing us a politics of joy. she's bringing real solutions for the middle class. tenchi centering you at the heart of that all the while asking everyone joined us move, but make your voices heard. let's look for our new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive. i humbly ask for your vote on november 5th, for com layers. governor ross. thank you sen, vance, your closing statement? well, i would think governor was you, you folks and cbs, and of course, the american people for tuning in this evening. and one of the issues we didn't talk about was energy. and i remember when i was being raised by my grandmother when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights. because ohio gets pretty cold at night. and because money was often very tight, and i believe as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every american, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat. in the middle of a cold winter night,

that's gotten more difficult things to come over harris's energy policies. i believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family. that's gotten harder because of probably harris has policies. i believe it whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house. you ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods. y'all did not have your communities flooded with fentanyl and that to has gotten harder with college because of campbell harris has policies. now i've in politics long enough to do what cala here is does when she stands before the american people. one says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges. i just listed. she's been the vice president for 3 and a half years day one was 1400 days ago and her policies have made these problems worse. the i believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world. i mean people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity to ask me how i'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family. what that is taught me is that we have the greatest country,

the most beautiful country, the most incredible people anywhere in the world. but they're not going to be able to achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in washington . they're not going to be able to live, they are american dream. if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last 3 and a half years, we need change. we need a new direction. we need a president who has already done this once before and did it well. please vote for donald trump and whether you vote for me or vote for tim was, i just want to say, i'm so proud to be doing this and i'm written for you. god bless you and good night, feder vance. thank you. and thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate this election cycle. i'm margaret brennan and i'm your o'donnell and a reminder there are just 35 days until election day. please get out and vote and for all of us here at cbs news. thank you. and good night the well,

we've been watching the 2 vice presidential candidates, timbales and j, the values go head side. and this had a volumes debate just the to 5 days out from the us election and should have returned to see whose life for us in new york just outside where the events been taking place has been following it, minutes, 5 minutes having a of the yeah. and i mean, it was, it was a very simple debase in the end, i feel a bit bad now actually before, and i kind of fit into this idea of it. i know that there's a potential for some comparative exchanges of the so i'm just as sensationalist as everyone else. i guess it turns out in the end there pretty clearly they, they understood they both understood that it didn't serve either that purposes, to end up having, i don't know, it was the come back to of debate, which just tends to turn particular swing voters, a defendant but it has to off take the balance to be more polished at the beginning to wells there will bring up certainly towards the end. very good one. talk about health care abortion issues like that guns. so yeah, i think,

i think both companies, we're pretty happy no great waves where we did see something fascinated clearly from our point of view. there was, we knew foreign policy would have an impact on this debate. more so than usual. we didn't necessarily expect them to begin. the motor exist to begin with foreign policy as expects at cbs should have a present, as of a mid lease being terrorized by iran. that's the end of the that's what's what's causing all the problems around just now very close to getting a new play away from them. other rates to say. so should that be a pre emptive strike on the wrong? that's what's causing all the trouble prospect. cbs, what was fascinating about it was 1st candidates chevy bonds. tim was given an opportunity to read the escalation, how know on once what were there on my ticket to waltz? rambled all a little bit about how come with harris was the best leader for foreign policy. the

donald trump is on stable adults about as crowd sizes, but either be say, as we used to have the us doesn't want escalation. that's not just studying leadership of paris, j. d volumes of a classic thing. even certainly taking a bit by surprise. does it? i really, really want to answer this question and then went on a 2 minute speech about his suppose it holds probably background for us. i want to talk a bit by myself might fly over face, and it seemed like you were trying to choke down the coffee by the time you going on. so as long as it was, raise more questions, spend it on. so he said in the end where it's up to israel, israel, you know, what does that mean? it's a, it's a man is up to israel to decide what's best for that site. was the, was the just sort of math is that mean? so what if israel tells tracy vance and donald trump to ball there on an a preemptive strike? they'll do it. absolutely. they'll tell you what is wrong. i won't say well that, that on cemented facts were about to go into the spin room. and maybe we'll see whether we can get some answers as to why both, both kinds of seem to be suggesting. yeah, it's not necessarily why not, you know,

and j. d violence is supposed to be the non intervention. this was the most bizarre saying, well, it's up to as well. what happens when it comes to a preemptive strike on iran? so we'll see whether we can find out what exactly are the kinds of men and why, but you say might, we don't want more with around. we don't want to ask questions for me. well, we'll leave you to a crack home with that then. so we should have your time see, i'm following those lights of the lines the from both vice presidential candidates symbols and j. d. vance in new york will leave you to get and get the see if you can find out more as you just say. well, the debate began by addressing both candidate positions on the writing and miss all the time on his relatives. he just had the democratic symbol says escalations between israel and the wrong well early possible because of fame is under donald trump's leadership. we had a coalition of nations that had boxed iran's nuclear program in the inability to

advance it. donald trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. so i ran is closer to a nuclear weapons and they were before because of donald trump to pick a leadership. look our allies understand that donald trump is fickle. he will go to who ever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him. steady leadership like you witness today, like you witnessed in april. both iranian attacks were repelled. our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that com layers is providing. diplomacy is not a dirty word, but i think that's something the governor waltz just said is quite extraordinary. you yourself just said i ran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. and governor wall to blame donald trump, who has been the vice president for the last 3 and a half years. and the answer is you're running may not mind. donald trump consistently made the world more secure. now we talk about what the sequence of events. but let us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore october. the 7th,

which i appreciate governor waltz spring up. but when did i ran? and how moss and their proxies attack is real. it was during the administration of come over here. so it's going to waltz, can criticize donald trump's tweets, but effective smart diplomacy and peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. baltimore analysis what it's got, it's laura brown is political unless joining me from washington dc. thank you so much for joining us just so that you were listening to all of that. now vice candidates seemed to what am i supposed to meet? so there are times they covered everything from foreign policy to health care, immigration. how do you think it went for either candidate? well, i think the strangest part about the debate was that neither candidate talked much about our current president, joe biden. if you saw senator vance consistently referring to

the vice president conway harris's administration, as though she were in charge of all the policies that have been going on for the last few years. and certainly tim walls didn't take the time to really go into the fact that yes, she and vice president harris do have some departures in their policy proposals. so the absence of kind of joe biden being on the stage and the desire of both sides to claim that they will be candidates. a change was something of an oddity in this debate. and especially, i mean, looking at using the changing of those closing statement. stacy vaughn said that we need change was how we ended as saying, a president, a president who we already had the full basically saying that someone who knows

what they're doing. but um, what did you make of so, and they obviously they started with foreign policy as you have response. he was saying to us, the 1st thing they talks about and then they look for domestic policy. how do you think that went for either of them when it came to foreign policy and when it came to domestic policy? a well look at, you know, i do think most american presidential candidates and vice presidential candidates. i tend to stay away from foreign policy. only because it is not at the forefront of most american voters minds. so you could see there was much more focus in this debate on the economy on health care, on gun control, on abortion rights. the debate really revolved around domestic issues and for the most part of the sort of the long held stands of american. so

sort of presidents having backs israel and standing with israel was really was both candidates, attempted to echo the walls, sought to be more nuanced. certainly as your correspondent noted, sen vans basically said, what it, whatever is real ones, is what should be done. and on nights is that it does seem to be a lot more detail with both the vice presidential candidates in this debate. then the actual presidential debates itself as it was, this was a policy heavy debate. it lacked a lot of sort of personal or, you know, individual clashes around visions. there was much more a conversation that made it sound as though these 2 tickets could. i actually agree on a set of principles and mass genora, the k,

laura broadway. we're going to have to wrap them afraid just because the programs come to and then nor brown that who's cloudless, joining us from washington dc. i'm sure we'll be speaking to very soon, but that's it really from me sort of highlights in the news room in the hall and they'll be more news ahead. but just to give you an idea of what we have been discussing was that we've been listening to other public and candidates. j. the vines, as well as 10 volts is the democratic vice presidential candidate, both holding that 1st debate that just more than a 30 days more than a month from the actual presidential us selections that will be taking place in november. i will be bringing more on that and as well as the rain and strikes on is roll robots us. and we'll be back in a moment with the latest the

the head to head is box with the man of the house on here at the home of ethical debate is steve conway. hold in london. the stage is set and i'll be challenging my guests in front of a live audience on immigration. populism and the rise of the fall right in the you test. and discovering what a 2nd presidential term for donald trump might look like. you are had to have allowed to east timor uses to, to the catholic nation, but scandals involving high profile priests play the church. all of us goes back. we were all abused, get some of the countries talk, latest, openly, stand by the clerics, even after one was sent to prison. $1.00 oh, $1.00 east investigate east t most priest candles on and i'll just say around is really forces seek to silence the truth in the occupied westbank storming and shutting down houses 00 in ramallah

is targeting of the done is i as in years a few minutes the ending of done it as well as seen in gunners. lebanese, done it is a disease done. and it's another example of journalists not being allowed to do their work in this conflict. it was just me that douglas detect everything is being undermined by government. a titles here with a 3rd grade to tear with use of to that address here and to authoration has read. journalism is not a crime for pressing it is i have the right, the boy taught anyone i want to and the state has no business getting involved in that was just opening my annual contract from the state of arizona. and i was rather shocked to see this 3 part series explodes, the implications of us and people who called lowest for freedom of speech and 1st amendment. brian got chosen and blessed us because we protect israel. i'm going to continue to do on a state level all that i can to support the one to build on,

which is a right the iran flies, nearly 200 missiles. it isn't calling it an act of self defense apartments. have benjamin netanyahu warns the to her on will pay for the i don't know about this and this is 0 life and don't have also coming up a shooting and starting attack. and these are the city of jeff, at least 7 people that israel continues.