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i'm the occupied westbank by indiscriminately killing germ lives. now, just here with journalists, a paid the price. this is not just an attack on journalism. it's an attack on the world's rights to know. the truth must be protected and heard. the stories of real people must be told. journalism is not a cry. a 1st thing it is. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question with an ending war in gaza. an escalating war in lebanon? is israel drawing the us into a middle east quagmire? let's get to the bottom line. the, the fighting along the lebanese border is not new. it's been ongoing ever since the start of israel's war on god. so last year, when has the log out to keep attacking is real. as long as is real was attacking gaza. what is new is the intensity in a few days last week is real killed,

more than 600 lebanese people and caused tens of thousands of people on both sides of the border to fleet for safety, us officials or warning out of all out war moving even more forces to the region and doubling down on their support for israel strategy. so with no end in sight for the war on gaza, or the escalation 11 on, should the region be bracing for more conflict and instability in the months and years ahead? today we're talking with laura freedman, president of the foundation for middle east peace and professor roxanne vermont from ion at cambridge university. listen, thank you both for joining me. this is a very heavy subject, lara. i have to ask you and i and i'm not being facetious. but you as the president of the foundation for middle east peace as you look at your agenda and you look at the question in prospect, the middle east peace, what do we need to do to get to what your, your mission is all about? a look. i think at this point, no one's talking about middle east peace. and frankly, we haven't been for

a very long time. i mean, us policy has been about crisis in conflict management. at this point in this moment in time, what we're talking about is stopping genocide, preventing further genocide preventing ethnic cleansing. i think for folks we're focused on the day after and how we get back to piece. and i'm sure that's well intentioned, but unless you're doing everything you can right now to stop the bleeding and stop the escalation. so it kind of gives no credibility. it seems like a do loop. are we in a do loop now? i mean, if it's a do loop is because people are choosing to do the choosing to not actually use the power that they have to stop and to shift direction. i mean, to stop what's happening now requires the investment of massive political capital by the us, by europe, by others. it's not easy and it's not obvious how, how you get to a different outcome right now. but if we do nothing, if we continue in a way which basically says to israel, you have complete impunity. impunity is the name of the game. as long as there is

complete impunity, we're gonna keep repeating what we've been doing for the past now. almost a year, which is this game of bb, nothing else saying i want to cease fire. i support cease fire. people trying to get to cease by him saying, oh no, no, i don't want that cease fire and and systematically shifting everything. i'm, if you think of this is a board game shifting, everything on that board game to make it a completely different game. and to, to enforce that outcome on the u. s. than on the world. the world is, is accepting this for i want to jump to roxanne in a moment, but i'm going to ask you one key thing is the only party in the middle east that seems to be listening to the united states at all in this moment. is iran, i mean the, the, by the ministration council, the ron not to escalate not to attack after the assassination of, of the i'm us leader, honey a in, inside iran and iran step back. we now know that they, they did not, they listen to the united states,

but nobody else seems to be listening. i'd say it is this uh, an ongoing, very clear example of american impotency in the world right now, because i think it's remarkable that a clients state of the united states israel in this case, doesn't seem to be affected at all by what the white house is laying out yeah, no i, i think what you're describing, i think that's one way to describe it. i'm not, i'm not sure i'd say that iran is doing this simply because the us warn them or told them this is the course you should take. i think they have their own sovereign interest in play. i mean, when, when i live is the foreign minister of around, of the president said at the un that, you know where we stand with your, i meet with the lebanese people and don't escalate. i mean, they're buying into the argument which says it's not already a massive war on lebanon, right? they're choosing to frame this in such a way which says there's still room to step back from the brink because they don't want to move forward into the broader regional war. but they've got their own interest there. the bottom line is the israel has decided it has 0 interest and listening to the, by the administration, or frankly, any administration before the pilot in ministration. it has its own agenda and it's

carrying it out quite systematically right now and with total impunity rocks and you're one of the world's great experts on a ron. and i'm just interested in how you see it. ron's choices at this moment and we've been watching this conflict 1st with gaza grow. we've been watching westbank activity grow now with has blog. of course the who tease and wondering all along. will some of the runs proxies be demanding protection and support from the run. but as i just mentioned, my sense is iran has been relatively restrained in this moment, but i'm not sure how long that will last. but what's your take on how t ron is looking at this mess and what its options are? well, i would agree that is the position it's taking at the moment is quite ambiguous. and the reason for that is that the position that finds itself and is quite positive in the sense that it's on the same track with most of its neighbors.

the saudis, the countries the, the various other gulf states are very much on a par, they're doing the mediation, they're the ones that are often involved in the cease fire talks and all their a decision making to do with israel now also has a component w, ron so that algorithm, in many ways is working for it. and on top of that, i think the difficulty is that it faced with it's a allies are its proxy is regardless of how one's pulls them in the forty's and the rocky militias. and of course, hesper law when that focus for them at the time of the house that shifted from targeting the west to targeting israel. uh, that was a bit of a rough ride for everybody. it took some time to figure out where they all stood. but now i think we're seeing that things have even doubt there's a better sense of,

of how they all fit. but i think from the beginning it's worth noting that the access of resistance is we'd like to call the, the arrangement that you're on has, with it's proxies. was always designed to for them to be uh, supporters of ron's territorial integrity. it was never that iran was going to go and support them, and i think we're seeing that now as hezbollah is facing the onslaught of is really attack that the iranians are assuring them that they have their support. but i think with the iranians are trying to do is to garner support among all of the golf air ups and all the regional is lubbock states such as turkey as well, so that they can provide a larger front of support to hezbollah, rather than putting iran on the line because i think you ron is really banking on trying with this new president position on to open up

a dialogue with united states about releasing sanctions. and so i think it's got other fish to fry. i would agree with laura, i think it's got several sovereign interest in this that do not involve getting into a territorial roar, particularly one that might have all the us. so when you get so things extraordinarily important. and frankly, i think for a lot of people, including myself, honestly, we don't understand the one way relationship you describe between has blah the who is in a ron. and i any, any, any kind of seems as if you're saying that they are there to protect it. ron's territorial integrity and, and that there's no quid pro, quote about common interest. but that said, let's go back to a sound bite. of the iranian foreign minister, a boss, a rock. she was ask something about those who the pressure eat on really loves remain in difference in case of a full of scale of water 11, a really stand with the people of 11 on read all means 3 saying it wrong,

won't be indifferent. which is, you know, and very artfully crafted, phrase, he's not saying it wrong, will engage and all out war. iran will attack israel, iran, and it's not saying any of that. but nonetheless, it is laying down a marker that iran could and might take some action. but they also said they would take action, of course, after the assassination of a smile, honey, a, the former, the late leader of hamas. so what do you think about that statement? do you feel like there is some pressure on iran to go beyond what it might be comfortably not doing, which is, you know, to engage militarily in the re as well. he was also very careful to say that they stood with the people of, of lebanon. he did not say we will back has the law and i think there is a distinction there. it's a, it's, it's an attack on a sovereign state that it we're seeing happened right at the moment by israel. and so i think that that has the, you know, support within the when in terms of its laws and international law. and i think

it's also important to remember that the 11 and does not recognize israel. and on top of that, that was the last time that israel attacked 11 on which was back in 1982 and when it occupied as well for 20 years in the south. that was the reason that hezbollah was founded as a military and political force. and so, you know, all of this is integrated and i think that what are ok, she is certainly saying. and one has to remember he's part of the new group that is now there and place in, in e rom there reforms. and they're the ones that came up with the nuclear deal. these are people who want to negotiate and don't necessarily want to get cornered into a particular action at this point. i just as go ahead and move it into the as clearly as i could of before. i mean, that quote, for me,

the most striking part is when he talks about in the case of an all out war, if you talk to people in lebanon today, there is an all out war. right? it's a really a remarkable, sort of diplomatic framing that he's using, which matches the frame move united states and israel, which talks about the danger, further escalation to all out war. he is adopting that framing. i mean, i hear that and i hear someone saying, we're really, really trying to not get sucked into this. we're trying to give space for this to de escalate. but it's already there, though. i mean, from the perspective of lebanese has been all out war now for almost a year. it's been constant. if you look at the, you know, the rock that's going both directions, but most of the men going well, let me ask you about that. or because i mean not only there, but we've heard this also, you know, through different dimensions of the gods, a conflict. but is there an effort right now for israel trying to rearrange its neighborhood in very fundamental ways that we're all reacting to in some way. but we don't understand the design, i'm really interested in, you know, israel's strategic objectives in this moment. i think part of the problem answering

that question is it depends who you believe and it depends who you listen to. on the as early side, there is an entire school of sober analyst who will tell you, well, israel doesn't want all out war, and this is about being domestic considerations. i think for a lot of us starting pretty much on october 8th. and we looked at the, the, the constellation of political figures around b, b who is such as wagon too. and we saw it was starting to happen and gaza. mean, the simplest way i could say this is there is a, a strong political movement in israel that at this point has accumulated extreme amounts of power. and they see an opportunity here to undo what they see as the 3 biggest failures of israel in the past. decades, the gaza disengagement the oslo accords and getting out of south lebanon. and they are doing that systematically. and i think, you know, if you take the master word, if you listen to the people who are the most forthright about their intentions, that's what they say. they're doing and if you look at what they're doing on the ground, it matches up. you have to work very hard to look at what's happening and not come

to the conclusion that israel's int, tension here, is just fundamentally change the, the, the, the status school of part of power in the west bank and gaza and 11 on and, and that's i mean, if, if i'm united states, that's what i'm worried about. i take seriously, if i'm the united states, the voices that say, we have to control up to little tiny. we have to clear out all of the lebanese in the villages in the south for our national security. israel's national security military construct has always been, we fight our wars on other people's territory. that's what south lebanon was always about. i mean, there are other explanations. i mean, you can find other ways to explain this, but if you look at what the objectives are, if you try to line up objectives, what's, what's happening? it appears that we are in a process of trying to create fundamental change. not asking for permission, not asking for forgiveness, but establishing fits a company with the assumption that total impunity will enable them to go forward

and the world will simply suck it up and adjust after this that it's roxanne, or when it come back to something that you had laid out, which i found very interesting. there is a very compelling article by robin wright and the new yorker that has just come out about her own engagement on these issues. and observations of the president who seems to want to do deals, who seems to want to talk about doing things and negotiating nuclear controls. again, trying to look at what would suspend the sanctions that have been imposed probably against the run and, and it's people. so can you help us understand the tea leaves here? so to speak, of is this president in line with the supreme leader is this and gesture of trying to be say, hey, we want to discuss peace and we, we don't want war. something that is, you know, remarkably on the line with the realities of what's going on in the middle east right now. well, it is, it is a little bit like the old kremlin watching as an at trying to figure out what,

what's in the front and what's in the back and who's playing what strength. and i think it is very clear that there has been quite a bit of jockeying for position since the this new reform is president was elected because he's very much relied on one of the masterminds of the nuclear deal. the jcp away, who is, was the foreign ministers that if, who is now with possession on a executive vice president that does not have to be cleared by the very right wing parliament. and i think what we're seeing is that they have a certain mandate and he is a possession the on is pushing that at the you when and opening as much space as possible. there is no question that in the background, the revolutionary guards, the hardliners and in parliament, they're all still in place. so i think we're seeing a double game here and uh,

hominy. the supreme leader has at the moment, felt that to the uh, the lines that, that the previous president, who by chance was um, you know, killed in a helicopter crash was extremely conservative. that that line was actually not working either at home. where the mazda, i mean, the demonstrations, uh broke out, or very effectively uh abroad in terms of trying to get go sions back on track, but the united states. so i think he's giving, at least for the moment, a certain envelope of opportunity to this group of reformers. but i think they are having to walk quite carefully and until they start being able to really deliver, which of course won't happen or could not possibly happen until the american elections take place. and that's when possibly negotiations can restart. and i think there has been quite a bit of talk among those around cala harris that should she be elected

that she not make the same steps that biden did when he was elected. but move quickly to take this, a possibility of a hand makes a stretched out by iran to start negotiations as soon as possible. well, let me ask you a back into the is closer to is real. peter is westbank. the next conflict on the west side guardy is the conflict, is it's been getting a lot less coverage, obviously just based on the numbers of people dying. but i think it's over $600.00 palestinians and died in the west bank since october 7th of last year. there had been multiple communities that have been forced to move, which is a nice way of saying, ethnically cleanse due to the actions of is really settlers who are now indistinguishable from these really military. we've had ongoing attacks the pretty much every day. there is something in the west bank that is going on of

palestinians. basically they're very ability to remain in the west bank to remain in their homes challenge that is certainly going to escalate and we know it's gonna escalate because when these really army starts doing airstrikes on, uh, on the, on the towns nearest to the green line in the north, i mean you start seeing this, we have at least 3 cities that have had major incursions. israel says we have to go in, you know, total victory against hamas, or terrorist. mean these are, these are actions by choice and you and you, we, we now have language which guarantees them impunity which has been perfected and tested in the gaza laboratory. that is the language that is now being used when they go into the west bank. and at this point, when he is really army engaged, daneen, it isn't really news, but the pictures coming out of janine look a lot like the pictures out of gaza. the argument from these really side is being we have to do this to flight tear. yeah, the, the, the, the framing here is, is, so you,

for those of us who've worked on palestine rights and palestine issues for years. there's nothing surprising this framing has always been there. anything is real does is about vital security. it's about fighting terrorism. it's, it's about preventative offense, right? you, you escalate in order to prevent being attacked later. but it's at a scale now which and maybe it's predictable. if you get away with it for 2030 years, then why wouldn't you escalate it? why wouldn't you go on and actually pursue, i mean, this is all happening during a u. s. presidential election, lot of americans are watching us and wondering, you know, where our, where is america in this? are we beginning to feel as if is real, is making strategic choices about american power americans? workers we're throwing a lot more military forces in there, and it just raises the interesting question. is the tail wagging the dog, so to speak? i think for a lot of americans, this is not a giant shift. i mean, this is, there's been, i think, certainly across the progress of less discomfort was the us rule on palestine

issues for a very long time. but the problem here and you know, the idea that as well as making a strategic decisions for us, this isn't new, is what it does, what it wants, the us defends that of the un. the u. s. provides the weapons that this isn't new. i mean, this has been a long argued issue in washington. and generally when you start arguing about someone calls you an anti semite and you stop the fact that we now have israel waging war on gauze, us, not fun. there's not a war and gaza, israel's waging, it's battle on gas and there's a war 11 on. and so it was up in the west bank. it's harder to shut people up, talking about it. but the bottom line is, as far as i can tell, the democratic party believe they can win without doing anything on this or even worse. they think that if they try to do something different, it will cost them so dearly. it's not worth doing it. and for the republicans, particularly when you add the weapon ization of anti semitism to this support for israel and a lead support for the jewish americans,

which really is about supporting israel and damming to how jewish americans who don't support as well the way they want us to um, for them this is like the most valuable political tool they can find and they're gonna use it all. they can. thank you, roxanne, i would like to get your impression of this moment as well. and, and, and also ask you, you know, it's many of us are watching the kind of inputs into this moment for american power . our other powers in the region reacting. how are the saudis looking at this? not just the ron, but we've been defining a lot of what's been going on in the region in terms of saudi, ronnie and competition. china comes in normalized as a little. i mean, there's a lot of tectonic movement in the region, and i just want our, our listeners to understand that may be the way we used to see america as footprint in the region is changing. and i'm just b as in your thoughts. i think you're very right i um i think that what we're seeing is a diversification on the part of some of these heavy weight golf states. the way

you just joined bricks. for example, there's been a whole new trade set up with india, which has never been the case. it's now there's a whole new trade route being set up between saudi arabia and u. a and, and india. and i think that what we're seeing is quite a bit of different of the saudi arabian funding is beginning to be taken out of the dollar. and they are now accepting oil payments, for example, in other currencies. so we're seeing that diversify away from the united states and re balance. and as i mentioned before, part of that re balance is among themselves to be a stronger community, right in the golf and the that includes a ron. so there's a whole new dimension of thinking here, and i think that this whole period with garza, with the way the united states has played its cards and supported israel. and i completely agree with laura that it does so at the you, when,

regardless of what is israel decides it's going to do or how much it's going to listen to the united states. i think at a certain point the rest of the countries in the region are taking a card out of their deck and saying, you know, it's not going to support us. and it's not really playing that super power roll anymore. and china certainly has a great deal to offer. i'm not so sure about russia, but certainly china does, but we'll have to leave it there. what a fascinating and important conversation lara friedman at the foundation for middle east peace and professor rocks on farm on from my on at cambridge university. thank you both for joining us and sharing your thoughts with us today. thanks for having . thank you. so what's the bottom line? the reason we're on the verge of all out war between israel and 11 on and continued gross human rights violations and gaza is israel has almost no incentives to calm the situation or to quit these conflicts. it's been easy to ignore president biden

and the entire democratic party establishment, israel and many other countries in the middle east would just prefer to wait a few more weeks and have donald trump back in office. in the meantime, israel feels free to keep adding to his war aims and ignoring calls to move towards the ceasefire with absolute impunity as my guest bar friedman says, and with the us refusal to do anything successfully beyond words, to stop is real, nothing's gonna change. and that's sadly, the bottom line, the israel 6 to deliberately silence the truth. launching a war on journalism targeting, which is 0 banning own operations in israel and shutting down our bureau in jerusalem. this is not just them at the snack on journalism. it's an attack on the world's right to know. the truth must be protected and heard. and the stories of

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