stranded helene is the 2nd deadliest hurricane to hit the us mainland and a half century at the storms peak over north carolina. within 7 meters of rain fell in less than 72 hours. entire communities were swallowed up under the fast rising waters that have yet to subside the front door. the water pushed it in and it pushed in the back door. and within 30 seconds, it went from the ground to nick level. we've had conversations with people who haven't seen their loved ones and a week, and that's completely heart breaking loud slides and slash flooding, knock down electricity and cell service at the height of the storm. almost 5000000 lacked power about a 1000000 remain that way. in the dense mountains of north carolina, thousands of residents are completely cut off with no access to food or water. i don't think there's a word to describe it. i don't know how long this is going to take on friday, president 5 and announced 45000000 and assistance for helene survivors. but with

homes and businesses destroyed and major roads washed out, the total damages estimated to be more than $225000000000.00. we're going to have to deal with unforeseen cost of what this, this, this hurricane costs across a lot of money. and we're gonna probably have to ask the congress before we leave for more money to deal with some of those problems. with parts of 7 states now under federal disaster declarations. republican presidential nominee donald trump's accusing vice president comma, la harris, the democratic presidential nominee of not doing enough to help. the hours by the administration says they don't have any money. they've spent it all on. and they spend all of the money to have almost no money because they spent it all on illegal migrants. the white house is a ques, trump, of lying leads. wrath is concentrated in at least 3 battleground states, florida,

georgia, and north carolina. the could determine who wins the white house. that's why vice president comma la harris is returning on saturday for the 2nd time this week. to survey the disaster damage perceptions that the democratic presidential nominee is miss handling the response had cost her the election. kimberly healthcare alger 0, the white house. well that's it for me down, jordan, you kind of course find much more information on our website. i'll just come there . it is on his screen. the news continues off to the bottom line. searching comes to watching the is really for us, is seek to sign into the truth in garza, i'm the occupied westbank by indiscriminately killing jermel is now just here with john list, a paid the price. this is not just an attack on journalism. it's an attack on the

world's right to know. the truth must be protected and heard. and the stories of real people must be told. journalism is not a cry. pressing its a. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. a full year of war in gaza. and now with this really troops invading lebanon, are the us in israel working to reshape the entire region. let's get to the bottom line. the what started on the morning of october 7th, 2023, with the surprise attacked by how mos on is really military bases and towns killing 1200 is relays and taking hundreds captive has had ongoing consequences and reverberations since that day. nearly a year ago in response is really is killed, tens of thousands of palestinians starve millions and turn the gaza strip into an

old, livable house gate. now it is broadens the conflict with the tax against 11 on and the killing of house on the swallow and the rest of the leadership of hezbollah, which was engineering attacks against israel in support of gauze. but that's not even a half the story around the world. the epic violence has spark debates on the nature of racism, of colonialism, of double standards and a free speech. so are we witnessing major ships in the middle east, or is history repeating itself? wakeham all by israel against his enemies without seriously addressing the injustice against the palestinian people and are these developments taking place according to a grand us strategy for the region or in spite of it. today we're talking with political science, a steven wall, who teaches international affairs at harvard university. steven, thank you so much for joining us today. let me just start out with the fact that we've got a lot of conflicts going on in the region. we've seen now the death of hospitalized leader. we've seen the death of the political leader of hamas is,

is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu succeeding in the short term. yes, israel has achieved a number of really impressive tactical successes. some of them were not in any real doubt, it was obvious that if israel wanted to use its military powers to decimate guys, that it could do that. but some of the more surprising the page your attack against has again, testable forces for example, is something that i think to almost everybody by surprise. the big question is whether or not you can translate those tactical successes impressive though they might be into larger strategic games. and that's much more difficult to do. i have my doubts as to whether or not it's actually going to be a transformative moment in the middle east, even though i think that's probably what these realities are hoping for. we've all watched the conflict over this last year since how mazda attacked israel in october 7th. and i have to tell you, i've interviewed on this show

a general. so i've interview political leaders, senators, talk to senior us military officials and even white house officials who of cautioned israel, cautioned this leadership and said that it needs to not confuse its short term security needs with long term strategic objectives. and yet it seems like it's really leadership has lost that caution off and followed a plan to destroy, to do what it said it was going to do, destroy those people that were out to get it. and i'm just sort of interested that after a year of this caution, is there a point where those advising caution kick in to being actually correct? i don't think so. i mean, 1st of all, how mazda has not been defeated in gaza, it's been seriously damaged, but it's still in existence, as well as continuing to fire rockets at israel, preventing you know, his release from returning to homes in the north, despite the death of their leader and a lot of their senior leadership as well. um,

it's a funny thing, but you know, dropping bombs on people and humiliating them, tends not to make them come over to your side and suddenly want to cut a deal, particularly when they don't have any really attractive options in front of them. i've been reminded actually for the last several days about that, that famous moment in 2003, when george w bush flew aboard the us as abraham lincoln instead before a band or saying mission accomplished again, the united states that achieved a short term tactical success in iraq, but it turned out to be the beginning of parts a strategic night here. and i think that is really, it should be to be more careful in trying to think that they can translate these tactical successes into a real change in the strategic situation. you know tween it's something steve that i found very compelling. you said this is pretty simple. if you don't want someone to do something, you don't give them the means to do it. one must therefore conclude the us

government is not object to what is real has been doing for the past year. and i'm just interested in whether or not us leadership is trying to have it both ways. are they on one hand saying, hey, we tried to caution them, but at the same time, they're sending them all the bombs to make this possible. yeah, that's actually a good way to characterize it. i mean, uh, binding and blinking. it certainly try to distance themselves. uh, it least, you know, positionally from israel in a variety of ways and try to convey that they don't really approve of some of what is real is doing. they're really not supporting it. they're trying to get them to stop. they're trying to get a ceasefire. and i think they're doing that for larger diplomat like purposes. they want to try and salvage what's left of america's image in the world. well, not doing anything that's going to cause them problems in american domestic politics. and i think in the case of both by vin blanket may or something of true believers, you know, both, both of them openly declaring that they are genuinely committed scientists as well

. what's interesting is you don't see them trying to defend their policies by claiming that it's in america's national interest. i find that quite striking you never here blinking, articulate why, continuing to send israel billions of dollars of military is making me united states more secure are making the united states more popular around the world. doing anything for ordinary americans as well. i think they're not trying to make those arguments because they're extremely difficult to make at this point. so yes, i think they've been trying to have it both ways. the problem is the longer the work continues, the more it expands, the more israel continues to defy. america's uh, you know, advice with no real consequences from america. the less compelling, the less convincing that attempt to play both sides is going to be to most observers. okay. are very, very few relationships in the world in my view of unconditional love. let's just

see there, but this, there are, there are no conditions to this alliance. is, is real making strategic choices for the united states that it can't extract itself from. but it's certainly that they're not choices we can extract ourselves from. it's a question of whether or not we're willing to there's no question that there's a relationship of nearly unconditional american support. it's rather one sided support and that we back israel to the health. and israel does pretty much want whatever it wants, even if that's not in america's america's interest. what i think is really, in some ways tragic about all of this is that this kind of unconditional support is in the long run, not good for israel, right? it's allowed israel to continue the occupation for 40 plus years, which i think does threatened israel's a long term future. it has strengthen the extreme is in israel, who have a sort of messy and a view of israel's future and are increasingly powerful in his really domestic

politics as well. it's supported, the war allowed israel to continue and not have a ceasefire, which has done enormous damage to the israeli economy. and despite the sort of short term tactical military successes, they've achieved in gaza and now in love and on it hasn't done anything to help israel's long term future. and may in fact, really actually cost it a great deal. something that most americans don't appreciate is that there are now roughly 500000 is riley is living outside of israel. 80 percent of them have just told the pollsters that they have no intention of going back. and the number of israelis trying to leave has increased the locked in the last year. most of them are, of course, are the well educated, secular israelis that are the backbone of its high tech economy. so this has really a serious, long term consequences. and that is being unwittingly aided and abetted by the kind of unconditional support that the united states has been providing. you know,

the other major relationship and the region relevant to this conflict is that between iran and has belong, died as the same thing. are there conditions on iran relationship with its proxy organization? and i think it is rainy. as i said from the very beginning of the, this conflict, you know, back a year ago that they've made it clear that they have no desire to expand this, no desire to really escalate. what one does have to ask though, is whether or not this will lead iran to simply sort of run up the white flagpole, it's tent and i think there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they're likely to do that. i think the thing that is of considerable concern or ought to be of considerable concern is at what point to the iranians decide that they can no longer be just a lazy nuclear power, which is what they are today. was the capacity to build a bomb. if they want to, but they haven't tried to do so, what point to this side?

it's time to go past the red lines to try and build a bomb in secret. so they can become a nuclear power and have a nuclear to turn the same way that israel does. i don't know if that's going to happen, but every time you get an event like the things we've been hacked, seeing in the last few weeks, any time, something like that happens, it increases iran incentive to want to have a deterrent of its own. and at some point, i think they're likely to try and make that decision. that's very risky for them. it might provoke a wider war. it might eventually drag the united states in, which is something of course the united states doesn't want either on. so you ought to be thinking about the long term strategic consequences and the nuclear dimension as well as we try to evaluate what the long term here is going to be. this sounds to me a lot like george bush, richard cheney the golf for the thinking that you could come in and, you know, fundamentally change the entire region. i mean, i'd be interested in your thoughts,

are we back to america thinking that the, the us and it's ally have the ability to completely reshape the region and make the region safe for democracy. create safety after the kind of militaristic dimension is taking now. yeah, well, as i said, as a very beginning, you know that this did remind me of george bush and the mission accomplished moment when we suddenly thought we were going to re shake them at least. and it didn't work out any of the ways that the neo conservatives invoice expected people have been predicting that iran would have another revolution. another of people that the clerical regime would collapse and be replaced by a pro american roofing. they've been predicting that over and over and over again for probably 30 or 40 years. no one can never rule out something like that happening. but it hasn't happened yet, and there is no evidence that it's likely to happen any time soon. so to that, that, that somehow these events taking place 11 on guys and elsewhere are going to suddenly

cause enough people in iran and more or that that a people will then bade or break in a pro american direction. i think is to assume an awful lot of that sort of wistful thinking is not the kind of thing one lot of baseball strategy on see what is the state of play as you see it of the international court of justice and the various arrest warrants in his put out for his really leaders and how is we'll, we'll continue to function with an international system of rules and norms. you think that ignore level um as you look at israel's future as well, the international criminal court indictments and the international court of justice rulings, you know, they have no enforcement capacity and they're going to take a long time to play themselves through the system. i think what's happened inside israel is they're simply, you know, have their fingers in their ears, they're not gonna pay any attention. they do not regard these institutions as a,

as credible or legitimate, particularly when they're the ones being criticized. so they're going to ignore them. and of course, we unfortunately seem united states for all, let's talk about a rules based order and all of its alleged commitment to international law largely dismiss these activities as well as part of the unconditional support we're providing. but i think over time this can help but have a negative effect and reinforce the idea of israel as a pariah state. a state that has wandered all of the sympathy it had on october 8th of last year after those attacks. when many people around the world were deeply sympathetic to what israel was facing, i think that's all gone now. and when you see all those investors walk out of the un general assembly when yahoo started speaking. on the one hand, it's just a symbolic action. but on the other hand, it conveys a deeper sense of those governments. recognizing that they don't want to be in uh,

showing any signs of approval. in fact, it's in their interest to show signs of disapproval. and over time, i think that hasn't corrosive effect on israel standing on the ability of it. citizens to travel prosper, do well around the world. and that's not israel's long term interest either. i think the united states is often tried to position itself as on both sides, but where the air of leader is where. 1 it has, is jordan threatening to rip up its priest, peace treaty with israel over what it seeing and gaza. how do you see that palestine and this question of resolving palestine? has anyone seriously willing to put political leverage on the line for their interest as well? that's the tragedy of the palestinian, is that by and large they have certainly been, you know, horribly treated by israelis and originally by the scientists. but they've also been repeatedly disappointed or betrayed by other parts of the world. and

ironically, this is what gave her wrong the opportunity to begin champing the palestinian cause, not because they were in initially so dedicated to the plight of the palestinians. but because it was an effective way of countering american efforts to monopolize politics in the region. and also the positions that a number of error per james that they had bad relations with, we're taking on. so yes, the palestinians have had supporters along the way as well. uh, iran. the who sees in the m and as well, but they have not had a major power of backing them in more than largely rhetorical means or providing humanitarian assistance. unfortunately, of course, that's allowed the conflict to persist and versus to get worse. i'm in great suffering for the palestinians. the fundamental problem of course, is you still have roughly equal numbers of palestinian arabs and is rarely choose

trying to share or cohabitate roughly the same territory. the problem is that one of those groups has all the power and all the political rights, and the other group has little power and no political rights. and as long as access the situation persists, you're going to have a conflict and you're going to have a conflict that outside powers are going to try and exploit from time to time. so how do you see the future of the westbank given what you just shared? do you think the westbank is going to face the same kind of reality a well, it is a done unless you scale it already. years violence against palestinians has gone up, land seizures have gone up, is rarely settlers are taking more and more land. and again, they're doing it largely with impunity. goes to the united states has decided that's to uh, politically controversial trying to deal with it at the moment. i think you know that there's no real secret here either. it has been israel's project ever since

the 6 day war to try and colonize the west bank and created greater israel. that's been pursued by labor governments by le crude governs by coalition government consistently. and we now have these really government where and yahoo is one of the more moderate members, even though of course his entire political career is based on trying to prevent a palestinian state. what this does is it puts the palestinians in a position where they don't really have any options other than resistance and what are their alternatives? they face either extermination or expulsion or permanent apartheid. well, if those are your only 3 choices, because a 2 state solution is an option and political rights within israel as an option, you have nothing left about resistance. and as long as it conforms to the laws of war, worth noting that resistance to a belligerent occupation, which is what is really, is conducting in the west bank is legitimate in international law. so again,

it without a and is really leadership that wants to seize short term advantages, like the ones they currently have and use those to try and develop a genuine and legitimate and lasting political solution. i fear that the short term gains will be squandered and both sides are going to suffer more as a result. so it begs the question of whether we're looking at the, essentially a forever war situation. and i've got a add to that day, one of the interesting bright spots in this story, at least in the united states, where a lot of young people coming out and saying, we don't want to be a part of this that, that we see the world differently that there's a generational shift and looking at some of at least america's foreign policy equities in these issues. i'm not saying that they won or they were influential, but they certainly created a shock protecting american universities. so i'm interested in this question of a forever war that sort of stuck in place for

a long period of time. and what does it do to america's politics? what does it do to america's ability to even discuss these issues as we've seen so many cases of, of censorship around this conflict? yeah, this is a, i think somebody that should worry lots for americans. and what's happened in the past year is that israel supporters in the united states have started playing real hardball to try and prevent any sorts of criticisms of israel. and so they put enormous pressure on american universities on some media organizations on individuals as well to try and silence them, possibly by making things illegal. you have universities in acting speech codes that probably violate the 1st amendment, that alone principles of academic freedom in some state and local governments trying to do similar things as well. this is essentially sort of mccarthy i tactic . what's most appalling about it is it's being done to try and insulate or protect

a country. it's currently engaged in a genocidal campaign and now seems to be expanding it into other areas as well. certainly expanding the war into other areas as well. and i worry that this will inevitably have a backlash in the united states that it will, in fact, re, kendall resentment. it will re, kendall, some of the worst forms of anti semitism you've seen in the past. is people don't like being silenced. they don't like being marginalized, but don't like being bullied. and unfortunately, i think that's what some of israel's more over zealous defenders in the united states have started to do. i think they're playing with fire and i hope that their efforts do not succeed. look, i'm gonna ask this uh, an interesting question cuz i think you and i are both largely in the realist school of foreign policy. but i am interested in what this does because the american brand, when looked at from abroad about western values about civic discourse, about civic justice and inclusion. these things that we largely believe we stand

for. and i think part of the question is, can you really promulgate them overseas or not? and, and we can debate that, but how are we as, as americans looking in this moment when we're not when there is such a double standard. and there is such a hypocrite, see about the freedom of speech and about you know, essentially self determination and civic justice for the victims in this conflict as well. you know, it's good, realistic, we tend to put most of our emphasis on hard power and things like that. but i think there are at least 3 big problems that this situation cause causes to the united states versus you've just alluded, uh, you know, our brand looks terrible. right now. we look deeply, hypocritical, uh, you know, if anthony blinking talks about the rules based order, you expect eyes to roll around the room at this point. and that's a problem for the united states. other states are, will pay a larger cost for lining up with us. and will be less likely to do so. a 2nd

problem we face, of course, is just were distracted if we just think of the amount of time energy bandwidth that the guide and administration is spent on the middle least since last october. and of course, that means other problems that may be actually much more important than the longer run, i'd get ignored. but the 3rd problem with faces that makes the united states looking confident, it makes us look like we have no idea of what we're doing or no idea how to get what we want. other states are going to be more willing to take our advice if they think we know what we're doing. and i think we're good in getting it done. so bite them in blank and they've been saying for a year that they wanted to cease fire and they've gotten nowhere precisely know they've been repeatedly stiffed by an ally that's dependent upon their health. this does not make them look particularly competent, and it may even end up costing them neil, extra or costing harris the election, which would be in my view truly a disaster. so again, this does

a lot of harm to the united states, even if the stock market is up, even if the american economy is doing pretty well. even if it added states is still very powerful and influential in other ways. it's not good for the united states. i want to thank political scientists and harvard professor steven wall for joining us today. thank you, steven. a great target is dave. so what's the bottom line? anyone watching the multiple crises in the middle east today will know that is really prime minister. netanyahu looks like he's got a plan where leaders counsel caution to not broaden the conflict to tap the brakes, but is real just keeps going? well this all payoff is real security and is a ron wicker likes the day then it was a year ago. many right now are engaged in chest thumping triumphalism about israel's military successes. but we've seen the tops cut off from austin has a lot in the past. and guess what? they grew back stronger. the fact remains, it is real, shows no interest in turning the real victims of these conflicts into people with

whom they can peacefully co exist. and that means that this tit for tat war is not nearly over. the cycle is going to continue. and that's the bottom line, the israel fix to deliberately silence the troops launching a war run journalism targeting, which is 0 banning all operations and israel on shutting down on bureau in jerusalem. this is not just about this back on journalism. it's an attack on the world's right to know. the truth must be protected and heard. and the stories of real people must be told. journalism is not a crime oppressing it. on

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