to who i want to get to the most stuff with the leukemia and the child. the devastation visit up on the under can describable decisions. because no, we're safe on that just to you. on the, i'm sorry on land. this is london known for non stop bustling from october to december. one of the busiest intersections, the iconic take it any. so this will from for 10 minutes. these high definition commercial screens will blurry, honestly, hunting for the ad. but the abstract inviting causes by reflect requested in the environment they rushed through this l. e. d. papers that isn't laces wide, by honest allies, the guidelines that danish office known for challenging the way we in games that are well. this new was life was, will also appear in sol,

sullen and lisa in new york. but in a world widely driven by consumer as internal volume is of interest section makes any difference. in the time of conflict growing in a high rise ation in climate crisis. how people are for the kinds of cells and reflect, reflect on it for a lot of houses there. the fabulous and thank you for talking to i know you've said that. ok for you is about examining our relationship with the world and with ourselves. tell me how you knew what life well tries to achieve this. it was i'm doing now is outdoor in public space and also on the computer screen, elizabeth, but on a number of places. and that is times when you get to the surface in london and cape of square. and so,

and uncle 1st and that inputting to have them on what it is. it's the work that is on these very the screens that normally use life attachment. and so, and for a few minutes and every night. so a couple of months now that would be a lot of thoughts in between these and my work there is of course going to be different than what you normally see. so your question about the relationship between me and my with you and your was other words and people is something that adds to it, as i said, always have does, is. and what i think is interesting is, of course, the fact that the world is changing and we could ask us as well, how am i, how am i doing, how am i coping with it, how,

what's going on was that was around. and as we know, these particular places figured this at times, but i say there's information that there's no mas amount of information. and that's kind of reminds us a little bit about the, those in all, most information we have been we have become so used to, i would like to say this overload this, this amount of stuff like that. there's just so much and maybe just the space maybe is needs a bit of openness, a bit of slowness, a bit of what tends on this if you want. so in this particular case, i have what was what is called what i called the, the something blurry scene of memory for me is not like making asset is like over the past, like a, with new to something. know is a set of, it's

a vs. something that is actually going into public space and a dressing was how do we feel about these spaces? so you've chosen not to quiet, contemplative space of a museum or an institution, a very deliberate, vastly commercial space. what are you hoping people will will do in those moments? what are you hoping people will reflect stone in that quiet publish space as opposed to rhetoricians? what we believe it is our values are reflected in publish this, we plan series accordingly. we make our say so according there's all kinds of things going into public space. so that is reflects what we, what we believe. i really like to think that the public space does what we have

done now, or is that lead as a case and is public space actually as hospitable as we would like to think? does it on my values? is that what i paid tax for? is this what i wanted? so one could take that document that public face has been privatized, is not actually the public, and it is not as we would think, maybe supporting diversity. thus, if you don't have money, you shouldn't really be the major difference. there shouldn't be there if you don't believe in the same political system you shouldn't be there or published basis, not quite as public. i would like to ask you as we say. so what is needed? what is the response to this? and i think my interest is to sort of give space spaciousness, but you're working, spend 2 decades now. you've worked on all 7 continents and you've made some of the most ambitious installations in contemporary or non, to be dealing with the, with

a wealth of a well, what is it? do you think about your, what that resonates so strongly with people say you're making those sound so great . that's so kind to now sometimes i like to say, i don't know this could be a good one. and so here, just as a, as a valid isn't that an answer, but i'm not really loud in these types of situations. just this is not the culture of these types of tests that i don't know. and so is that. but i'm actually, if i've just been quite uncertain, but something that i think the rest and is across a say across continents, less of a vision. so something that resonates is if people say, oh, i know how this is done or i, i get it. this is a, i don't personally,

i even like instances of my thought, i could have done this at home in the garage. i like it because that means there's something, there's something i'm not easy and that there's something convers, how many i said i could even afford this is tinfoil. i have that in my kitchen. i could have done that. are we talking about the weather project? yeah, but maybe not necessarily, but in the, by all means the by the approaching boss, actually, you know, i don't want to say what's not how to do, but it was not complicated. it was not and, and this is not necessarily what is right and wrong. and i, but what people relate to, i think if it is team is to 5, is this not some kind of magic? las vegas kind of situation where people are like, well, the way spectacular is, has become taken over by the commotion to the interest. the spectacular can also be something that is done just with the update of the secretary at home. so that is

one element. i think, but i also find the incentive to meet that people comfortable with a 5 and that's not just my work, but i think i think that is it's a sense of a people when they engage in culture when they read the book, look at this is a play a look at dance, they go like that's how i feel. this is me and that's what i would have done in the book. that poem gifts structure on language, a space to a feeling that i have not yet particularly the i feed reflective i it is as if this painting saw me it. i went to see the painting of the machine and left him a see i'm feeling, see. it was if what i am dealing with is somehow acknowledged. i wasn't allowed to relax my avoidance of pain. this is very essential because it doesn't happen very often. my defensiveness came down,

i became more water, but i'd be huma on this. we talked about paying this. we are now living in times of extreme global in the quarter see conflicts paid to rise ation climate crisis. i'm interested to know what role you think culture can play and tackling these issues and whether or not you consider your as a this form of activism. i say puzzle plays a significant role in, in society says, you know, i think culture is a transformative power. it's a power that is vastly also quite slow. it's contemplative. it's very focused on body. man is not, it's not a, it's of a media fancy. it's not a fast. i don't think i'm a nicer is i respect as to is too much to it. so i tried to take that has actually this can be a fast response. immediately race, an issue,

no odd is and, and i'm general, i see a bit of a slow different type of a response. i don't wanna say slow motion, i suppose, but uh this co producing reality is, is more like culture and can offer other spaces, different spaces than the one we know. we have spaces from economy politics, you know, consumer space available, all kinds of spaces, educational spaces. they all have intents and attitude built into them and they do things. so i think the influence of culture office a space for reconsideration of things that we have may be evaluated in other spaces contra office space for reconsidering rating reconsideration, attention on attention and. and in that sense is, might be interesting to see like here we have society is divided into sectors,

composites of us, private, 6 public sector difference of systems and so on. so then we have the civic sector integrated into the services of have the concepts such as messy and it doesn't have a seal. it doesn't have a prime minister issue. but it does something every bit. there's poetry, there's music, dance because commercial parts of it that it's not necessarily so much culture anymore, but that's it. so is culture a part of what saves the what a very much the was would not have been is if it hadn't been for culture. i think that and i, i, i think as an artist, i'm not any more important than anybody else or the i, there's not any more important than it is, but it's another space. it's another quality is another language with which we can say things. you cannot say in other spaces, well, what would you say is in saying, you don't see your, your work is a form of items. most of it's active as i speak to do see it as a long,

long game. no, to was reactionary. but what would you say to those activists who actually attack ok as a way of highlighting big issues. most recently the stopped boil. he threw seats on the volume go some size at the national gallery. as to the ext who is to uh yeah, acting out using statements optics, putting soup or paint on, on, on the famous pages and so on. it's a complex, it's a complex method because as an access of course i'm terrified that i should be useless. but on the other side, i just want to acknowledge how this, but some people say it's understandable. i am desperate to i say with great caution that it is on to go against the system is i know how decisions it is. i don't things i think is going to, they're doing,

but they are desperate because these are not just some sort of marginalized young people who doesn't know what to do. some number of kids who are simply a freight of taking over the future that us, the older ones has left and i don't blame them. so in the context of, of, of, of, of, uh, should i say, the idea of reaching out a meeting as a table. i think there are people who feels so unfair that they do stuff like this . and i, i cannot blame what london women busy for the projects in 2003, when you literally brought this on to the tate modern. and it was 2000000 people experience that work. and i say experience because they were really interacting. it was in very unexpected ways, but interaction is a very key component of your why tell me why? so we spoke a little bit about space and the hospitality of space because of the hospitality of

presence of how do we knowledge each other in that's in the space. so it's not just space as a box is more like a space as an atmosphere that is actually sets that can have a conversation. we can be together in my interest. i try to de materialize, but this normally consider that the so this, the 5 is not necessary anymore. the painting of a subset maybe this, the relationship with the painting of the relationship between people of between space and the people across the tools. there's, there's many kinds of us, there's no, nothing other right and wrong when you do have some critics. and that comes with the success and whether by the project that you know was celebrated. but also, sometimes you, your work is described as to a spectacle entertaining rather than intellectually engaging. how do you respond to

those credits? as has he is, has, i says, is that's not very much, which is in my references. no they, they, they say is, and i, from the outset us, has a very strong interest in democratizing the accessibility to a lot of really was very focused on dealing with things that people without an education in ad without being professionals who to relate so. so that's what i did that at the table, the develop felt i felt very much of us on the people that have the wizard mode that wasn't more sort of accessible than the weather, british and, and, and the, and the, you know, i don't know if people can imagine that most of time before social media and, but there was no social media. and so there was no, uh, you know, like on these platforms. so i said, how do i now reach these people who are not normally come to the machine and the weather forecast. it was from the not from your station, but from

a colleague of yours, the read them and came in and they did for the 1st week of the so the weather focus in the show. and there was ends up saying here at the take button to so this was like social media. and of course some people said that's not at it and i, i get it. and you could say that is maybe some medication or anything for us. but it was, it made enormous amount of 1st time you seem to us come and see the show. so that is a part of the answer. the other thing is there is the need for having very academically savvy and, and, and, and you could call it like highly critical that i embrace, you know, very politically confrontation of countries in tape engaging. i said, i'm not that type of and i'm happy about it. my, you know, my, my language and the way it was and how i addressed things. that sound very positive

. and sometimes i think that was in that there is, and the ability to not colorize because i see the need. so me to focus on see, i nominate, i'm quite optimistic. it is not so easy to forward this to be optimistic. but normally i would like to consider myself an optimist. and that means that sometimes i think you don't have to sort of others. i believe in the better end of the discussion in thinking about optimism because often your work is dealing with the climate crisis. you don't, you show tactics, but i'm interested to know how your creative process has evolved from say, in 1998. when you were dying, rivers bright green to i switch and beyond how, how have you kind of changed your language as, as communicating the climate crisis to be well, i do still believe in the you know, the doom and gloom is

a so the short term impact behavioral change doesn't come from the field threatening field based but i do think people tend to fall back into that comfortable presence for a long time change. we need a more positive bias and so, so inspiration. so this is how i normally, what i, the complexity of the matter is that now i'm actually mobile here on a reputation. because it's that there's nothing that's shows us we are on the way to tabulate time in $56.00. is that not at all, not even remote and the, and i don't mean to then become life said, but there is, it is not easy. i am totally honest. i have faith in and i am not afraid of say it says brother is going on. it's not meeting up with

a visit and patients or promises and so as of now we're looking at something else while we're looking at adaptation, what are we going to do now when they seem to have arises, come because is this gonna come? i don't see anything that's so with us. oh wow. so you never, russ might just now be at least somehow type. it was not even close so. so out of taishan means that, well, how are we going to now live with this new situation? and i think this is where i'm very interested in. so there's a 2, is that a sense of nature? she wants to human nature to whom is very interested in acknowledging more than human perspective. psych rights of persons to animals and plants. but i'm very interested in the notice and wisdom that comes from indigenous people from 1st nice and people from people who have lived thousands of us was not list that was sustainable. that the rest and modern science phase. so it's not, it's

a failure to make use of failure to commercialize and so i think that if anything my with thinking has become more nuanced in the sense that there is a difference that responds to what appears to me to be like a pretty crisis. is a crisis of crisis. the times the price is not just $1.00 prices, the prices of the business environment that could take those notes. but this is the crisis of, of a nice agent of a psychiatrist this awesome, but also it's a number to divide in justice at the so, and was of course the, so the complexity of this. so the messa price is require much more detail responses on the local spots. and i don't know if, if anything i, i, i use the advice on the so, so that isn't with us or for the need for the let's with, with us. well, don't look at the horizon, looked down at your feet as it was 0,

right underneath your feet, earth is collapsing. and what's your response should be, is maybe not out the rice and level. it's gonna be sorted out. nope. is right here . you to do some things, especially as long as there's a few as far right into this collapse, uses this immediacy, this sort of the need for us to react right here with, in our reach us civic. so say the civic people, this does not mean that the global corporations independents of assistance and out of those who have known as power. they of course, okay, i know most of responsibility as well. but as for my past, i'd become most sensitize to was this not looks fairly down and around and, and see what happens when one of the projects you've had is little sun, which is creating any d powered lamps full communities in, in africa. tell me a little bit more about that project and how that how that comes into

a big body. what it was some 1415 years ago in the run up to the london olympics, i had this idea of decentralizing detox. why would the torso assist be one person by every node or running with thoughts? and that is exactly the time where the price of solar says that, you know, for children to pandas became low in the industry, efficiencies and finally got expensive. and the price of sort of pens come down. and suddenly, suddenly there was the, the phenomena upside off. actually competing with the fossil fuels because it went back and forth a few times and it in the course, the oil prices went down and this all depends was a more expensive again. but it was very interesting for us, for the 1st time we suddenly had a situation before the voluntary systems could compete to now in the sphere, the holding the totes, i thought, why don't i together was

a sola engineer and frederick artisan slide to sort of treat a part of the hands, his did a power station. my interest was the imposed on the feeling charts. i can chop because the images literally falling down from the sky is that all i need to do is, is, is have something to catch in with. in the meantime, lives on has moved on a has now become a more established system in the, in the number in 3 countries in africa. and i am less involved because my progress being just a spokes person and designed for this beloved lives on is a, is a, is a different thing with a different economy and to i'm so proud to have them give us. i believe it's about 2 and a half 1000000, portable power stations as 2 people notice his work regularly of his in option selling for tens of millions. i'm interesting to know how you define success

as well. question. well, how to define success in, but it certainly not oceans. essentially if you're an oceans, is means that people doesn't work well under what, right? so that's for sure if you and options this as well. so i mean for an access to see people saying good bye. so that was that's not a success. of course. no. i think also one has to separate. there is the markets and there's the as what i was over with the us market. and those are those as soon as i'm not going to say that there is no connection but and the successful meet license as was whether you have a phenomena to success or not makes life easier. it has rather impact. this is one thing you can say there is for some people is important in that type of success. if

was, is a success indicate that you can, the ad was, is, is, is, is going to be difficult for the market. it's going to be used. i would normally say that success comes from trust, excuse me, testing is so difficult today when to if you say, how do you feel safe and, and the so i think success is something much, much small person to do. i do, i dare to lower my defensiveness so you can move this into, do i have it in my says to re less my numbness, i have numbs my says to be able to withstand the attention that all of the people who is going to us. so, so i'm like, i like this right to now. success is the day i feel capable of

lexi, my avoidance of pain, numbness, defensiveness. if i am not defense and defensive, i've successfully collect that definition. and can i ask you what is next? what is in the future? what is down the pipeline for you and your students? i started working so 2 years ago out of high school and i am so grateful for all the people who have made it possible for me to students and something that i have i'm i, i have a 2 in showing a so i'm, i'm truly blessed with an amazing team who are so hot. so if anything is nice, it is to acknowledge on the people that were so hard to make it possible for me to be in the situation i'm in today. i'm so grateful and giving back. because i also, admittedly sometimes takes for granted, says here i am talking to you. and that is the moment that is the most dangerous

because the moment i start to say things for granted i stuff i stuff seen how wonderful everything is. so i have a solutions coming up, i'm doing public commissions, i would love with the public se service governments with regional governments and, and so i'm, i'm, i am, i don't know how to say thank you. i am being asked to cease by tax payers. money is being spent to match. i also asked the one that is like one person who was just wealthy and one something right? but imagine somebody who a position a like that, who says, let's spend some of the taxpayer's money on us. i think this is one of the most prestigious thing one can do in the know to, to, to ask you to do something business copy with public money in a public context. and to get a list of people on the list. and thank you for talking to of is there

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