to who i want to get to the most stuff with the leukemia and the child. the devastation visited up on the under can describe the resistance because no were safe on that just to you. is israel spill in fact they've century seduce world wide? hundreds of thousands have left since it lost its war on golf and last year, with the violence and hostility only was the thing. how is jewish conception of as well changing this assign this model failing. this is inside story, the hello welcome to the show. i'm sammy's i, that it's a yes since this rel style to that smooth tree offensive on gone. so now it's

turning its focus on lebanon prime minister, ben, you mean nothing? yeah. who insist hulu chief is goals of destroying the groups that threaten the security of his riley's, but also suggests hundreds of thousands of them. i have chosen to leave and search for safety somewhere else. official is right. if it gets show the trend of reverse immigration has grown on a scale not seen in decades. the government is aware of the growing crisis and has introduced incentives to attract new immigrants. but will that work? what could be the long term consequences of this exodus from israel? will go to our guests in a moment about 1st this report from alexandra bios. and it's described as the biggest security failure in israel's history. october the 7th. an unprecedented attack by him are members of all cosign brigades. the armed wing of the group and other palestinian resistance fighters infiltrated is really territory by air, land,

and sea. 1139 is really is were killed that day. 251 people is released and for nationals were taken captive from us coined the operation a locks of floods for retaliation against is rarely occupation and aggression. but for israel, it was one of its darkest days. prime minister benjamin netanyahu pledged to eliminate the group with her. so i am, i know who the me to come a move to a little bit of, of the ben will come of israel's were on god that has since been march fights, indiscriminate killings of civilians and calculated genocide. the violence of sparked disbelief, shock, and outrage around the world, and also within israel, that's known for its highly militarized society and supposed security. many

israelis have left the country nearly half a 1000000 in the 1st 2 months of the war alone. and recent surveys found 80 percent of those living abroad do not plan to return. immigration to israel has plummeted down as much as 70 percent in the early days of the war. the jewish, the opera is reporting a growing divide between israelis living abroad and those being back home, many of whom support the war within israel, tens of thousands of its citizens, but months protesting against prime minister benjamin netanyahu. angry over his failure to reach a deal to bring back the captives and demanding his resignation, the attentions cut to the heart of the very idea of the state of israel founded on the promise being a safe place for the jewish people of the world. it depends on increasing its jewish demographics. the violence and in security of the last year has room that

into question. and as it struggles to rebuild it, citizens trust in its ability to protect them. the government is facing a potentially existential crisis. alexandra buyers, alj a 0 for inside story the spring and i guess now we have from canada fame and southern israel. i've shut them and it . so he's a, in his right, a quantum mechanics physicist and philosopher in new york, eva bulk quote, the national spokesperson for, if not now, a movement of american jews campaigning to and us support for israel is a pop type system and demanded quality justice in the thriving future for old palestinians and israelis. and in london, daniel levy, president of the us middle east projects and a formalized by the government advisor, a warm welcome tool if, if i could start with i've shut on. so we look at the author published in places

like the times of as well. they refer to a 285 percent increase in the numbers, leaving israel for good off to october. the 7th and a decrease in the numbers of jewish immigrants arriving. are you seeing actual shrinking communities when you look around you? i know i heard about the cases in wasted the leaves and it is the reason so consign academics and physicians heights as people. yes, it gives the voice on the phone. so is it no reason so panic for the spouse? no, this is a $1035.00 if we will overcome it. here is how i see the problem. as we have somebody to say about 70. yes, we have a stronger than the ads wanted to be strong as we have been stronger for the simple reason to be a be more advanced, moving more savvy like we have been a democracy. now democracy is come from. i was to jump in and forgive me, i have

a long when you look at reports by several international human rights groups, they might take exception including is really human rights. who is the might might take exception towards like most civilized democracy. in fact, they say there is a, there is a system of a pop type. when you have, you know, you know, the people living without the same rights that jewish citizens enjoy those that high on those that him the, to the jewish, the only on the 5th, i solely confessed that we are guilty of apartheid shame. i have the same one as i confess that either for the use ready for us and for the sleeping within us. we have been a democracy, not the best democracy between democracy. this is why we have been stronger democracy. it has is now the same thing writing due to the was prime minister we

ever had to send you out. that is a temporary crises. yes, i'll be believing i had this. it's not to the degree, the 2, because us and all of the troops we shouldn't be concerned. i believe that this is temporary. democracy will be of a story. yes. right. and will become, can become and shouldn't become again, a piece seeking concrete. i wholeheartedly believe in the states. okay. and okay, to state donations. all right, let me bring a good evening how. how is this last year impacted the way that jews out size is ralph view. the country has been a change. eva. yes, i mean, i think for a lot of americans use watching our government, the us government use our safety and the safety of jews in israel as justification for sending billions of dollars and weapons to the netanyahu

government to enact a genocidal assault on gaza and drive the entire region toward a broader regional war, sacrificing the hostages and the process as i think for us a lot of people to say, this is not only morally inexcusable and horrifying. it's also putting jews in further danger. and so the question is, is military domination and unconditional us weapons cannot bring safety if safety doesn't come from decades of apartheid an occupation, what's the alternatives? and that's freedom. jewish impulsivity and safety are tied together and that means freedom for past means and a quality in geneva is even let me talk to them and present to you, but perhaps the, the opposite opinion as well, which is often put as what else can we do? an attack happened, people captives with taken, and the perception amongst a lease that you have for me is right, the officials is. what else can we do?

this is the o'neill. this is the only course of action. how do you view that? as a jew, living outside of israel, i think that for a lot of people, this what they're, what this thing is the collapsing of what they've been taught, which is that this is necessary. that'd be, it's really army is the most moral army in the world. and this is all necessary for security. and then you just to goes back with children in gaza carrying their siblings in brace bags. what's worth the remains of their siblings and is really soldiers, you know, documenting on tick tock, the war crimes their clinic in real time. and so as netanyahu continues this assault on gaza while sacrificing the hostages and dragging the entire region into war, endangering is really is i think people are saying what is the alternative. and again, the alternative has to be ending the occupation apartheid and siege that has drag

house means is really into this nightmare. daniel levy is the zionist ideal. the idea of a state that symbolizes security. stability for jews. is that being tested? is it failing? it's hard to offer a positive answer to that question and it goes back much further calls. there is a notion of scientists and that sounds absolutely inoffensive. there is also actually existing designs, as practiced by the state of these route for several decades. and it has reached something of all the crashing points. perhaps we can call it. what you see today is the coming to fruition, all the inability to accept and acknowledge palestinian

life palestinian rights for all those decades. and today, what is written on the 10th, which is b c's, the guarantor of jewish security, the shelter of last resort. it's probably the most dangerous place in the world for jews to be today. that broad cost out onto jewish safety everywhere in the world. and it will transition into something good to positivity contributes to jewish life unless it unless it can come to terms with palestinian life, i'm pretty candle the candle. look in that region of the world on the vision of more bloodshed and more dislocation and displacement. right. and that's where, if only we can get back to the lives lost in salt total of 6,

but not tobar 6 is not something to strive for. we have to address what was going on previously and an opposite spoken to that. all right, let me bring back half sure long because you might mentioned a moment ago that you feel life show on this is perhaps a temporary trend. do you see the challenges facing israel and inspiring jews within the country and worldwide as a temporary challenge? one that can be fixed or is this more of a systemic long term challenge? now? i believe it's going to be amended. i strongly agree with my to us. uh, we have the pricing to tell us danielle, start to know. we've been writing the seeds. ready probably gonna see it's all the pricing for too long. still not a few, a lady, james, matt as a say anything about what his rental wants, domestic. i have happens. what color could we do?

i mean, i'm crying. my heart is breaking. it's a hot day to day my hot breaking. so if we have a senior and casualty happening, i see that your advice might pop to still have i mean 5 minutes. so that's money. what do you think i will do. what put you to then ma'am, what do, what do you do that then? you know, i mean, the problem is now that we are in a, well, we had remembered that this morning. we saw people cheering smoking last thing. first thing we had to do is to wipe out those some of the smaller the flat because we will be the swelling. if we didn't do that, you have the ones, the sony has had on the account. i'm not advocating, of course, war crimes. i trust sony when he told about no arms, i mean, you know, when you say, why don't you what could easy to do that? i mean, can you know how to not engage in walk even the us president has cold indiscriminate

. it's a bit of bombings, right? i mean, it's, and you know, it's been that a little that, that person i would like to see as of either of you may have, you know, i'll tell you know, and you were the best man in a unique phenomenon. he sets people come once to centralize, he looks right, he's the man who called the bank that whoever asked him to come us, he's been man who prevented the killing of us in law at least 6 times. this is what we yeah. we only the problem, i don't deny that we have enemies bash those a so no and got the the best bet she i to just 911 on in my country and my my motherland that your finance wants to destroy us. and we had that a by the government and we are doing a small city is we are committing that's most of these in got the week i am being shamed and i'm sorry for that. the yes,

i strongly believe in this one. a few. remember, you talked about be we had, he's way way is feel comfortable if you feel possible to return to the way of peace, of having to stay just meetings together. one, another s you'll say via email i'll face times you're is mad even as the faith tide here, attorney if want to, if it's best for us, if you right is not a good place to leave for dues, other states arab states will not be a good place to be for us, so we have to come for a solution. okay, i'm gonna bring the other guests back here and i want to give you 1st daniel opportunity since i've shuttle. i'm kind of laid down the invitation for you and, and eva, and what else? the question was very briefly to address it before we move on. what else could have been done on october? the 7th? well, i sure because of what we've already heard from, from i've shut on,

but i had nothing yahoo not being that one wouldn't have got one's self to that predicament in the 1st place. and yeah, this is why it's so important not to d, contextualize, it justifies nothing. it doesn't justify decades of the do not. augustine writes about capacitive apologize. it doesn't just by what was done on october 7th, it doesn't just by what's the done ever since? but there is no scenario where people kept without their rights for decades on and anywhere in history and geography. this isn't about us raising palestinians exclusively. and all of the political avenues a close to them. and something 1000 passed out which leaves us with. but that was an option that because let me address, is that what our options steve white's option is never to commit crimes and target every one then have your own president?

no, that's it. got the president. that's all from the lady because it just a week after october 7 said, what is the series of distinction which civilians? there was no such thing with the innocence of a in the tennis like so, sammy is, will have an option for instance of saying we will, we will deal with this. we will open the gates of southern this route and create a space for palestinians from garza to be for a period of time and any one who stays behind then we can see how we address these military vehicles. these route didn't do that. i'm what is right, the top of minnesota talked about to you. of course, you know, ronald's about mandatory. it's a response that has gone off to the supreme discoloration of on the so daniel, i'm going to find and shift the discussion back on track with. so we don't get too far away with what you know, bringing even back into the discussion and looking at the demographics and the demographic changes which are going on. is there

a reason to believe that israel is not looking so attractive to professionals any more that there is a brain drain? that is what it is. losing professionals and that professional jews outside, i'm not seeing themselves in the environment that exists in these rarely state right. now, yeah, i mean, i can't speak as much to the emigration of professionals, but what i will say from the perspective of jews living in the united states is that we're watching our president joe biden say over and over again. if it weren't for israel, not a jew in the world would be safe while he is sending billions of dollars to the night and yahoo government to escalate regional war sacrifice the hostages. and continued to carry out massacre after massacre in gaza and now loving on. and i think what we're saying is everyone deserves to be safe, no matter where they live. and the current approach is just dragging everyone into

further and further danger. obviously, palestinians love and these people, people throughout the region as well as rallies and jews throughout the world. ok, dragging people further and further into danger on that same ab shalom. are you concerned with what impact that might have 12 sectors of is riley society. the entrepreneurs, the, the elite, the people who need the stable environment in order to, to innovate and innovation has been very important in israel's history and its economic history. right? is a concern. do you see that this might impact key sectors like the i t industry and so i can understand the impression that you are trying to make that we are losing the best people when we are losing some they may return the cautions on making. i'm causing him, it has been reported all of these records. yeah. yeah,

sure. but let me tell you another thing ever seen. some guy that happened happened ever since it was happened, use the phone, we can itself, but still says that we do not believe that we have the young people, the young generation folks to be sold with sauce for sol strong. so the voted, so nothing. we have no need, no shapes. we have people, we have, we seen so much a no power within our step. so let me mention these ready out our fathers. we love very be they to, to be extremely loyal. amazing. they loyal, ever since the server has had. and remember that for a year and a half doing this hell call them to come. you all redeem, we had the government now the government with 2 young prime ministers and you know, it was another paradigm, but it was the beginning of the whole. and it's still the best to do, you know, she is deal of the just it is the dialogue they,

they cut all the time the out which is still strangling us. but the to not stay for the on demand if pricing and charges the man is going to jail for many years behind reason of the many sick he's likely of psychotic. he's son. i don't know. well, he's all mean it does take him. so please understand that the time you redeem his temper, right? yes, i'll be fine. nathaniel is not kias about. and that he is. well, that's danielle. know, the years later which looks to be which began piece, he's killed the white thing. i can't promise you that it will not be crossed by, by the beginning of the, by the attendance save for the state to see also also and those higher. busy as in is the extreme right. we have a phone since between us, but they always build their socio question. yes i, i am concerned. i'm concerned to see the patient's moving of academics moving up. i

don't think that there are a, this is a such a why some phenomenon and this is a temporary crisis. we have indoor, defies us like that. i believe that we can and. ready this one. okay, thank you. i've show, i'm, let me take that. i've kind of made an interesting observation that daniel, about basically the cloud will, will lift. do you agree with that? do you see that if there is a change of government? if the current prime minister is replaced, will that deal with the, the sort of long term challenges which have posed a challenge to is riley's feeling secure? will it give them the stability? will it tackle issues like the occupation? we've had a routing from the well, a finding i should say, by the international court of justice on july, the 19th saying that all the patient is illegal, it's going on for fault too long. it's part of what's causing this,

the cycle of instability that, that everybody is, is failing with a change in government, a new prime minister deal with that and the occupation and the, what the international end is, right? even write scripts, cool, a pol type and this concept of a state that has to be based on the majority one particular religion or ethnicity is all of that going to change or is that wishful thinking to look, i think i've shown say some things that were very important for me as well, nothing yahoo! and this, this tilt towards this miss janik bridge. she is a danger and the rest of the world is treating. this is normal anomaly. so 1st let's just establish that. secondly, i think it's important to acknowledge that we will the difficulties in this route with this out migration with the brain dry. we can only difficulties. this is not about to collapse a monopoly. and i think that correct too,

is an important and corrective and any such collapse, he's not going to go smoothly. so we do have to be very cold cuz that's what, that's the future for re agents is on offer as well as a permanent fixture of this region. however, what i'm not seeing is the political alternative. that was a vote to me is randy paul, i'm in just a few weeks ago. but one's on his member to mess it up. who's the resolution? say no to have a city and state what not peter bennett, too were referred to offered when they were in government. was the criminalizing of binding of palestinian and joe's was higher restrictions on palestinians, and internationals going into the west bank was the restarting of extrajudicial kings. in the west bank was cooling every thing to criticize, including that report for human rights, which have escaped special dismissing it all this all type of force as anti semitism. nothing really. i was an increasing security cooperation with the co op.

the other thing, you know, already nothing to do to build the spaces of equality on, and that's where these re opposition have the inability to have an alternative narrative in actual existing design as it is. so stop for that doesn't mean that we shouldn't look for us, but we will come together. it's up to me. it's all likely now to be premised on top . patient absolutely has to be premised on these really choose, i'm palestinians. i think there are quality making due to what happened during the not making good on what has happened in the last year in these last decades. we need from from reconciliation. but it taught the practice on the jewish at the national state. the does not offer the quality to it's palestinian arabs. citizens who will be there. i'm not being treated as people are in the west bank and gaza. right. but they do not have the quality but that's, that's not giving us a weight for it. okay. need that what we're gonna, i think we've got about

a minute and a half of that. so i want to give eva or a chance to come in listening to, you know what we're discussing here and what was saying and bring it back full circle to what we want to focus on in this show. how does that impacts the way that jews see the future and that connection with the state of israel? and does that perception? is it tied only to the sort of events that go on in the occupied palestinian territories and israel or is it also tied to some of the demographic changes going on in the us way where you are and the rising and the changing perceptions of things like the civil rights of african americans and, and the racism and the struggle they face and how that is shaping how to use face the o. c. the palestinians. yes, i think i for me, and i think for a lot of others in my generation,

i was born after the oslo accords. i've never known a real horizon for a 2 state solution. and what i have known is deepening occupation at apartheid. none yahoo has been prime minister for the majority of my, of my life. but as daniel said, we also witnessed hertzog. let's say that there are no instance in gaza. echo this rhetoric of, you know, schumann, animal. busy is and the things that the, that and yahoo and you'll have kalonde and those in charge of the current assault on guys that were saying that the humanized palestinians, and i think that for american jews who have pals to me in peers and college or you know, meet palestinians as their colleagues, their friends, their co workers. i think if you look streamlined, clear that there has to be a different answer then unless military domination massacre and das,

an occupation apartheid. and that's why we're advocating for equality and justice in order to have a threat to share for every single person who lives between the river and the see. all right, i've 5 run out of time. so going to have to time call guests very much for the contributions of shalom in gulf are a fame in new york and daniel in london. and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just say we're a don't com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash, hey, j inside story can also join the conversation on x l handle. there's that a inside story from me, sam is a that and the whole team here. so now let's go by the it is really for us, is seek to sign into the truth in garza,

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the hello on sort of hide at the top. stories on al jazeera is radio strikes of killed at least $77.00 palestinians in gauze on monday homes in the north of the strip would targeted with several people killed in jamalia and bethlehem. the bodies will take him to come all odd one hospital full burial mazda fluids has moved from the in northern garza, the overall situation. you know, that goes to move the ars those way, the only advance in certain areas in the east, lots of the venue that you can.