of how western mainstream media obscure the genocide israel was able to perform a mass for class in manipulation of the media with inside their testimonies from user rooms as well as those on the ground. if you're saying that i've never seen in the vietnam and then your dismiss immediate failings as behind the lens of western media list, the both special on the jersey, utah is israel. still infective, st. theresa jews worldwide. hundreds of thousands have left since that loan spits war on golf or last year, with the violence and hostility only was today. how is jewish conception of israel changing this assigned this model? failing. this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the show. i'm sammy's i, that it's a yes since this rel style to the mid 3 offensive on garza now it's turning its focus on lebanon prime minister. benjamin netanyahu insist hulu chief, is goals of destroying the groups that threaten the security of his riley's, but also suggests hundreds of thousands of them have chosen to leave and search for safety. somewhere else, official is right. if it gets show the trend of reverse immigration has grown on a scale law seen in decades. the government is aware of the growing crisis and has introduced incentives to attract new immigrants. but will that work? what could be the long term consequences of this exit is from israel. ok, that's why i guess in a moment. but 1st this report. busy from alexandra bios and it's described as the biggest security failure in israel's history. october the 7th. an unprecedented

attack by him are members of all cosign brigades. the armed wing of the group and other palestinian resistance fighters infiltrated is really territory by air, land, and sea. 1139 is really is were killed that day. 251 people is released and for nationals were taken captive from us coined the operation a locks of floods for retaliation against is really occupation and aggression. but for israel, it was one of its darkest days. prime minister benjamin netanyahu pledged to eliminate the group because of her. so i am and i hope they me come a little bit and it's a little bit slow. the baby will come off, israel's were on god that has since been march fights, indiscriminate killings of civilians and calculated genocide. the violence has sparked this belief shock and outrage around the world. and also within israel,

that's known for its highly militarized society and supposed security. many is relays, have left the country nearly half a 1000000 in the 1st 2 months of the war alone. and recent surveys found 80 percent of those living abroad do not plan to return. immigration to israel has plummeted down as much as 70 percent in the early days of the war. the jewish, the opera is reporting a growing divide between israelis living abroad and those being back home, many of whom support the war within is really tens of thousands of its citizens, but months protesting against prime minister benjamin netanyahu. angry over his failure to reach a deal to bring back the captives and demanding his resignation, the attentions cut to the heart of the very idea of the state of israel founded on

the promise being a safe place for the jewish people of the world. it depends on increasing its jewish demographics. the violence and in security of the last year has room that into question. and as it struggles to rebuild it, citizens trust in its ability to protect them. the government is facing a potentially existential crisis. alexandra buyers, algae 0 for inside story, the spring and i guess now we have from the fame and southern israel, i've shut them and it. so he's a, in his right, the quantum mechanics physicist and philosopher in new york, eva bulk quote, the national spokesperson for, if not now, a movement of american jews campaigning to and us support for israel is a pop type system and demanded quality justice in the thriving future for old palestinians and israelis. and in london, daniel levy,

president of the us middle east projects and a formalized by the government advisor. a warm welcome tool if, if i could start with i've shut on. so we looked at also published in places like the times of as well. they refer to a 285 percent increase in the numbers, leaving israel for good off to october. the 7th and a decrease in the numbers of jewish immigrants arriving. are you seeing actual trunk and communities when you look around you? you know, i, i heard about the cases in wasted the leaves and it is the reason so concerned academics, expectations heights as people. yes it gives of weight them on the phone. so is it no reason so panic for the spouse? no, this is a 10. 35 is we will overcome it. here is how i see the problem. as we have somebody to say about 70. yes, we have a stronger than the ads. wanted to be strong as we have been stronger for the

simple reason defeated, the more advanced moving more stimuli we have been a democracy. now democracy is compromise on i was asked to jump in if it gives me a good one. when you look at reports by several international human rights groups, they might take exception, including is really human rights who's the might might take exception towards like most civilized democracy. in fact, they say there is a, there is a system of a pop type. when you have, you know, the people living without the same rights that jewish citizens enjoy those that high on those that him the, to the jewish i, early on this i solely confessed that we are guilty of apartheid shame. i have the same one as i confess that i have for the use ready for us and for the sleeping within us. we have been a democracy, not the best democracy between democracy. this is why we have been stronger

democracy. it has is now the same thing writing due to the was prime minister we ever had the sending out. that is a temporary crises. yes, i'll be leaving. i heard this. it's not to the degree that to see because us and all but the truth. we shouldn't be concerned, i believe that this is better i democracy will be of a story. yes. right. and will become candidate come and shouldn't be calm again. a piece speaking concrete, i wholeheartedly believe in the states and okay, tuesday of donations. all right, let me bring and how, how's this last year impacted the way that jews out size is ralph view. the country has been a change. eva a yes. i mean, i think for a lot of americans use watching our government,

the us government use our safety and the safety of jews in israel as justification. first, funding, billions of dollars and weapons to the netanyahu government to enact a genocidal assault on gaza and drive the entire region toward a broader regional war. sacrificing the hostages and the process as i think for us a lot of people to say, this is not only morally inexcusable and horrifying. it's also putting jews in further danger. and so the question is, is military domination, an unconditional us weapons cannot bring safety if safety doesn't come from decades of apartheid an occupation, what's the alternative? and that's freedom. jewish impulsivity and safety are tied together and that means freedom for past means and a quality in geneva is even let me talk to you as well and present to you, but perhaps the, the opposite opinion as well, which is often put as what else can we do and attack happened,

people kept his with taken. and the perception amongst a least that you have for me is right, the officials is. what else can we do? this is the o'neill. this is the only course of action. how do you view that? as a due living outside of israel, i think that for a lot of people, this what they're, what this thing is the collapsing of what they've been taught, which is that this is necessary to be is really army, is the most moral army in the world. and this is all necessary for security. and then you just suppose that with children in gaza carrying their siblings in brace bags, what's worth to the remains of their siblings and is really soldiers, you know, documenting on tape talk the war crime is there any can be all time and so as netanyahu continues this assault on gaza while sacrificing the hostages and dragging the entire region into war, endangering is really is i think people are saying what is the alternative. and

again, the alternative has to be ending the occupation apartheid and siege that has drag house means is really into this nightmare. daniel levy is design is ideal. the idea of a state that symbolizes security. stability for jews. is that being tested? is it failing? it's hard to offer a positive answer to that question and it goes back much further. of course, there is a notion of scientists and that sounds absolutely inoffensive. there is also actually existing designs, as practiced by the state of these route for several decades. and it has reached something off of a crashing point. perhaps we could call it. what you see today is the

coming to fruition of the inability to accept and acknowledge palestinian lies palestinian rights for all those decades. and today, what is written on the 10th, which is b c's, the guarantor of jewish security, the shelter of last resort. it's probably the most dangerous place in the world for jews to be today. that broad cost out on to jewish safety everywhere in the world. and it will transition into something good to positivity contributes to jewish life unless it unless it can come to terms with palestinian life, i'm pretty candle the candle. look in that region of the world on the

vision of more bloodshed and more dislocation and displacement match way. if only we can get back to the lives lost since october 6, but not tobar sick is not something to strive for. we have to address what was going on previously, an opposite functions of that. all right, let me bring back half shut on because you might mentioned a moment ago that you feel life show on. this is perhaps a temporary trend. do you see the challenges facing israel and inspiring jews within the country and worldwide as a temporary challenge? one that can be fixed or is this more of a systemic long term challenge now? or i believe it's going to be amended. i strongly agree with my to us. we have been all the pricing the tell us danielle stop to know that we've been writing the seats, the probably the seeds of the pricing for too long. still not a few. a lady general that as

a say anything about what you're going to watch them, that's the going to have happened. what could we do? i mean i'm crying. my heart is breaking. it's a hot day to day. my heart is breaking for every have a senior and casualty happening. i see that your advice might pop. i still have, i mean, 5 minutes. so that's melanie. what do you think i will do? what to do to the man? well, do, what do you do that then? you know, i mean, the problem is now that we are in a, well, we had remembered that this morning. we saw people cheering smoking last thing. first thing we had to do is to wipe out though some of the smaller the flat the because we. ringback swelling if we didn't do that, you have the sonya shut on the account. i'm, you know, advocating of course, war crimes. i trust sony when he told about no arms. i mean,

you only when you say what you, what could, is the mean time, you know, how to not engage in walk, even the us president has cold indiscriminate. it's a bit of bombings, right? i mean it's, and you know, it's been a left a little that pass on. i would like to see as of either of us, maybe, you know, i'll tell you and your best man is a unique phenomenon. he sets people come was still centralized. he looks right, he's the men who called the bank that arrested from us. he's been man who preventive the killings. oh yes. in law at least 6 times. this is what we yeah. we only did from the i don't the night that we have the enemy is best. yeah. those a so now and got the best bet she i to just 1911 on in my country and my my motherland that your finance wants to destroy us. and we had

that a by the government and we are doing a small city is be a meeting that's most of these in the week. i am deeply shamed and i'm sorry for bass. the yes, i strongly believe in this one. a few. remember you talked about be we had, he's way way is feel comfortable if you feel not supposed to return to the way of peace, of having to stay just meetings together. one another, as you'll say via email, our phase of times is ready then as the phase of tied here autonomy is one of if it's best for us, if you right is not a good place to leave for dues. other states aerospace will not be a good place to be for us, so we have to come for a solution. okay, i'm gonna bring uh other guests back here and i want to give you 1st daniel opportunity since i've shuttle. i'm kind of laid down the invitation for you and,

and eva, and what else? the question was very briefly to address it before we move on. what else could have been done on october? the 7th? well i sure because of what we've already heard from, from i've shut on, but i had nothing yahoo not being that one wouldn't have got one's self to that predicament in the 1st place. and yeah, this is why it's so important not to deacon texture lies. it justifies nothing. it doesn't justify decades of the do not have the rights about capacitive apologize. it doesn't just by what was done on october 7th, it doesn't just fine. what's the done ever since? but there is no scenario where people kept without their rights for decades on and anywhere in history and geography. this isn't about us raising palestinians exclusively. i love the political lab and use a close to them and something 1000 past that, which okay, leaves us with that option that because let me address, is that what our options?

steve white's option is never to commit crimes and target every one. then have your own president? no, that's it. got the president. that's all from the lady because it just a week after october 7th say what is the there is no distinction which civilians. there was no such thing with the innocence of a in the tennis like so, sammy is, will have an option for instance of say, we will, we will deal with this. we will open the gates of southern this route and create a space for palestinians from garza to be for a period of time and any one who stays behind then we can see how we address these military vehicles. these route didn't do that. and what is really dropping the minnesota talked about to you. of course, you know, daniels about military. it's a response that has gone off of the sabine discoloration of on this the daniel, i'm going to find on shift the discussion back home trying was. so we don't get too

far away with what you know, bringing eva back into the discussion and looking at the demographics of demographic changes which are going on. is there a reason to believe that israel is not looking so attractive to professionals any more that there is a brain drain, that is rather is losing professionals and the professional jews outside. i'm not seeing themselves in the environment that exists in these right. the state right now. yeah, i mean, i can't speak as much to the emigration of professionals, but what i will say from the perspective of jews living in the united states is that we're watching our president joe biden say over and over again. if it weren't for israel, not a jew in the world would be safe. while he is sending billions of dollars to the not in yahoo government to escalate regional war sacrifice the hostages and continued to carry out massacre after massacre in gaza and now 11 on. and i think

what we're saying is everyone deserves to be safe, no matter where they live. and the current approach is just dragging everyone into further and further danger. obviously, palestinians loving these people, people throughout the region as well as rallies and jews throughout the world. ok, dragging people further and further into danger on that same ab shalom. are you concerned with what impact that might have on 2 sectors of is riley society, the entrepreneurs, the, the elite, the people who need the stable environment in order to, to innovate and innovation has been very important in his rails history and its economic history. right? is a concern, do you see that this might impact key sectors like the i t industry and so i can understand the impression that you are trying to make that we are losing the

best people when we are losing some they may return the cautions i'm making i'm closing here, but it's been reported all of these right now. yeah. yeah, sure. but let me tell you another thing ever seen. some guy that happened happened ever since it was happened. use the phone within itself is that we did not believe that we have the young people, the young generation folks to be sold with sauce for sol strong. so the vote and so nothing. we have no need, no shapes. we have people, we have, we seen. so much a no power within the house. absolutely. mention these maybe out our brothers. and we love very be they to, to be extremely loyal. amazing. they loyal, ever since the server has had. and remember that for a year and a half doing this, how call them to come? you all were game. we had another government and other government with 2 young prime ministers. and you know, it was another paradigm,

but it was the beginning of the whole. and it still the best to do, you know, she is doing the just it is the dia, a, they cut all the time the out which is still strangling us. but the to not stay for an on demand is facing charges. the man is going to jail for many years behind reason. the many sick he's likely of psychotic. he's son. i don't know why he's all mean it does have him. so please understand that the time you out with game is temple, right? yes, rarely be fine. nathaniel is not he is about and that he is well that daniel know the use my are which looks to be is which began piece is filled out. why do i kind of policy or that it will not be crossed by, by the beginning of the, by the attendance saves products page. you'll see also and those higher colors in is the extreme right. we saw this big enough, but there is still there. so do you

a question? yes i, i am concerned i'm concerned to see the patient's moving of academics moving up. i don't think that they are a, this is a such a why some phenomenon. and this is a temporary crises. we have and door prizes like that. i believe that was you and. ready this one. okay, thank you. i've show, i'm, let me take the, i've kind of made an interesting observation that daniel, about basically the cloud will list. do you agree with that? do you see that if there is a change of government, if the current prime minister is replaced, will that deal with the, the sort of long term challenges which have posed a challenge to? is riley's feeling secure? will it give them the stability? will it tackle issues like the occupation, we've had a routing from the well

a finding i should say, by the international court of justice on july, the 19th saying that on the patient is illegal. it's going on for faults who long it's part of what's causing this, the cycle of instability that, that everybody is, is failing with a change in government and you probably minutes to deal with that and the occupation and the what the international end is ready. human rights fits cool, a pol type and this concept of a state that has to be based on the majority, one particular religion or ethnicity is all of that going to change or is that wishful thinking? look, i think i've shown say some things that were very important for me as well. nothing yahoo and this, this tilt towards this mess, sciatic regime. this is a danger and the rest of the world is treating this is normal now. so 1st, let's just establish that. secondly, i think it's important to acknowledge that we will be difficulties in this route

with this out migration with the brain dry with the can only difficulty. this is not about to collapse human ugly. and i think that correct too, is an important corrective and any such collapse, he's not going to go smoothly. so we do have to be very focused. oh, more back to the future for his re choose his own offer, as well as a permanent fixture of this region. however, what i'm not seeing is the political alternative. that was a vote to me is randy paul, i'm it just a few weeks ago. but one's on its members to mess it. opposed to resolution, say no to it was the getting state. what not peter bennett, too were referred to offer when they were in government. was the criminalizing of binding of palestinian, and joe's was higher restrictions on the pallets the engine international is going into the west side was the restarting of extrajudicial kings. in the west bank was

calling every thing to criticize, including that report from human rights. switched on to skip special dismissing it all this all type reports as anti semitism. nothing really. other than increasing security cooperation with the co op the policy and you know, already nothing to do to build the spaces of equality on. and that's where these re opposition have the inability to have an alternate to narrative and actually existing design as it is. so stop with that doesn't mean that we shouldn't look for a policy, but we will come together. it's up to me. it's all likely now to be premised on politicians. it absolutely has to be premised on these really choose on palestinians having their ecology. they can go to what happened during the not making good on what has happened in this last year in these last decades. we need from from red to see action, but a tall b prentice on a jewish as no national state that does not offer equality to its palestinian arab

citizens who will be they are not being treated as people are in the west bank and gaza. right. but they do not have the quality the that's, that's not giving us a weight for the need that what we're gonna, i think we've got about a minute and a half less. and i want to give eva or a chance to come in listening to, you know what we're discussing here and what was saying and bring it back full circle to what we want to focus on in this show. how does that impacts the way that jews see the future and that connection with the state of israel? and does that perception? is it tied only to the sort of events that go on in the occupied palestinian territories and israel or is it also tied to some of the demographic changes going on in the us way, way you are. and the rising and the changing perceptions of things like the civil rights of african americans and, and the racism and the struggle they face and how that is shaping how to use face

the o. c. the palestinians. yes, i think i for me, and i think for a lot of others in my generation, i was born after the oslo accords. i've never known a real horizon for a 2 state solution. and what i have known is deepening occupation and apartheid netanyahu has been prime minister for the majority of my, of my life. but as daniel said, we also witnessed hertzog um say that there are no instance in gaza. echo this rhetoric of, you know, schumann, animal. busy is and things that the, that and yahoo and you'll have kalonde and those in charge of the current assault on gaza. we're saying that the humanized palestinians, and i think that for american jews who have cost and in peers and college or, you know, meet palestinians as their colleagues, their friends,

their coworkers. i think if you look streamlined, clear that there has to be a different answer then unless military domination massacre and das, an occupation apartheid. and that's why we're advocating for equality and justice in order to have a thriving teacher for every single person who lives between the river and the see . all right, i've 5 run out of time. so going to have to time call guests very much for the contributions. i've shut them in for a fame in new york and daniel in london. and thank you too for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just say we're a don't com for further discussion head over to on facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash, hey, j inside story can also join the conversation on x l handle. there's that a inside story from me, sam is a that and the whole team here. so now let's go by the,

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