florida has blocked protections by outdoor workers. they are not allowed to take regular rest of the c c to pull down their findings. there's this kind of mentality that if you're a person of color, you can handle the fault lines investigates deadly. he, why would you ask for the governor to do the analogies even as well as when it was formed, 5 minutes of gaza is amongst the most destructive in history. and now is there a investigation? reveals the extent of us and u. k. support but as well as a so what's the impact of this a system has on as well as war? i'm vision's under that needles. this is inside story, the

editor and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. west of nations. have provided as well with substantial military assistance, despite cues, ations of genocide and global calls for a cease fire with the war and garza showing no sign of ending and israel's campaign of arabs and nothing. and intensifying a patent of sustained aerial activity as a much an investigation by out is there a sign of monitoring and verification agency has revealed the extent of international military involvement, as well as military strength is undoubtedly significant. but what does this feel about is when lines on the west, almost all the ethical, moral implications of west the nation supporting as well as was we'll discuss these issues with all guests in just a moment. but 1st, let's take a closer look at the report. i'll just say we're used open source flight data to show the scale of american and british involvement, and as well as military operations between them over 2023 and up type of 2024. the

data shows more than 6000 military flights over the region in a yeah, including hundreds of transport machines, farming almost as well as well flu only 20 percent of the 1600 reconnaissance missions recorded was the u. k accounted for nearly half. the report reveals the extent of the weapons a bridge built for as well move in $1200.00 military congress lights may not be left within a year. several bases in europe. we use with hundreds of flights, each from the u. k. germany, italy, cyprus and greece, and it says average together with the boss number of savannah's flights and at a refueling that had sustained as well as brutal on garza and helped to expand its operations into southern lab. and then the, so that's a lot to get stuck into with a gas. let's bring them in. now incomes were in the u. k with joined by. so how

temporary electra and international norm, the university of kent, and also of a full is coming book called corporate war, profiteering and international no in london is michael spa, get a professor of economics at royal holloway, university of london is almost at the trip house of every casualty comstock, so you can't charge. he's supporting the recording of old casualties of violence and in brussels. elijah might get a for a minute tree and political unless specializing in the middle east of i will welcome to all of you. thank you for joining us here. on inside story now elijah, we know we've met in for a long time. the us and the u. k. all heavily involved in supporting as well as will in gauze that but how surprised all you to hear about the extent of this support? i mean, this report, it talks about 6000 flights over the past yet that's more than 16 a day on average. thank you for having me,

given the extensive us you guys for an intelligence precision bombing to is really days that is going to the pricing, the high level of west and commitment and how they, uh, sort of pause in this full covered with. it'd be easy way to use of advance a on a system like the, or on the all to main point that images here. first, these really the vulnerability and 2nd date, the ethics of not only is right but the u. k. and you, us, these really find a bit too, because the narrative of these read is the strongest only in the mid the least had supported it into pieces. because just to be available, data is right. if he's not fighting but a little bit seems incapable of finding no state in very small area and required the support of superpower and i, the us, and they doing dental vision gathering man, as well as the deception task pulls is sort of aliens emanation supply and with all

these reconnaissance missions, it showed that only 20 percent. what carried out by history was 80 percent by these really odd eyes which reflect the scale intelligence gathering and sharing. and that takes me to the 2nd point, which all the ethics to through the hind and significant civilian casualties and brought destruction of cities in critical infrastructure in gaza. and we beginning also with that. but then the consequences raises serious issues here. present them by the starting job as yeah for them to live and said that there are too many civilian casualties. which means that either the intelligence are wrong. and uh they are failing to distinguish between come back and a non combatant full. everybody. it has

a serious question in the operation of ethics and effectiveness of the day of operation joining these relays in the prime and crimes against humanity. okay, so what i want to get more into both the ethics and then the gala t o in the galaxy of all the support in just a moment festival. can you just help us understand why countries like the us and the u. k. all so ready to provide such extensive supports to as well and for so long as well. insurance it's there's, there's a political interest within the reason they're not doing this out of let's say, as far as for, for the dr. just as self defense. but rather in ensuring is or is dominance within the region. this is indeed not just as or as war, but a war that represents all of these different nations. and the more that 6 to 2 s 13 specific positioning in the region. and of course, this war is that anything away from the got it see,

this is completely and illegal war where you have a multi faceted layers of the galaxy and the level of the sheer force that we do when you look at the data presented in today's report, it's as if we're reading a page that comes out of a science fiction movie where we have a deep level of a symmetry between the colonized people and they're called advisors and a huge alliance coming from the nato. and these, the numbers only show what is it normal. the nato alliance at thanks digit is when we look at the as 35, a program that has been going on for quite a long time. we find that this is simply that certified program in action. all of these, all of that effort in order to protect is there is capacity to wage war against finest in use is simply day to day activity within the alliance of life and the pin the so i, because i'm trying to get to the number of why that is so why the u. s. m u k a so

came to preserve israel's position in the region. well, it goes towards that's a very good question. and it goes towards the, as it goes towards one deciding that the proliferation of war in the region serves the overall economic interest in the sense that the more we, we have, the more we're able to burn excess capital. so in general, the logic always leads us towards that, and the arms industry is making a lot of money out of that. and so is it making a way for the energy industry as well as preserving a lot of the supply chains that go through the reason is there is not as strong and ally as it is. then both the economic and political interest of these big states will be at stake. so that's being assigned to, along with the fact that these states have historically stood right. it right next to secular colonial projects and like australia, for example,

and the hope that there's hoping to see here is that fund stein would one day become like australia, which is simply a place that a student with settler colonizers and that seeks to facilitate any level of power and feelings within that region, elijah, don't accept. would you agree with that? that there is a historical elements and indeed a prophet to build the element to the support that we're seeing on the tools as well. it is an interesting point. however, i would see it a bit different the, where the americans are back not with the british, is right, because be sure it is showing vulnerabilities. and by having these read as a vulnerable entity in the middle east, that brings the whole change to the conception of the necessity to have relationship with these res. i'm just stopping it from a cold. therefore there is no need for having the relationship with ease, right?

that is responsible also in many crimes, and is inc, capable of fighting non state actors in this morning area. but by sending weapons, if this is not the not to just define everything that is happening and these read the objective is really to make sure that these are these know using this will because is right there is no waiting. okay, well let's just take a moment now to highlight the impact. so the smoke tree assistance from western allies is having on the ground. and garza is really the types of killed almost $43000.00 palestinians. so many of them a women and children and estimation, 1900000000 palestinians or 90 percent of the population of been forced from the homes of global hunger monitoring body as well. all of gaza is at risk of famine because of the as really, is very minute tree blocking the entry of food entry, monetary and aid. and the world health organization sets up on the bottom of the mass displacement. i'm the lack of access has forced it's teams to postpone

a 2nd round of polio vaccination campaign, which is due to begin on wednesday. we'll say a new you and report is wanting, that it could take 350 years for golf as economy to recover from the war. mazda is very important, isn't it, always bring these discussions back to the actual humanitarian impact. but all of this has on, on the ground, give us an idea of how this bridge that we're talking about supplying is constant, where the supply of weapons to israel relates to israel's operations on the ground. well, it is, i think you did a very good job of summarizing the, the, the damage i would add to that, that, that there's a huge amount of infrastructure damage that causes our coping with right now.

for example, what the water supply is, is severely damaged. so they said that there is precious little pressure water available to drink, but the medical facilities have been damaged. so don't have any, any need for, for medical treatment is, is, is likely to go on find answered or um, you receive an inadequate written response. you know, quarterly, all of these flights that you've done a great job in uncovering is a huge part of that. the, the think about the report that struck me the most was the reconnaissance flights. the, the, the huge contribution that you k in particular is making to, to the reconnaissance flights. and i think with all of that recognizance comes a certain amount of responsibility for,

for the results of that recognizance. we've seen pictures of the damage in, in this program but, but also kind of all over the internet and it's a, it's nothing like a, a precision operation doctor, get a large number of, of buildings that have been either completely leveled or rendered uninhabitable. uh, you know, i think that that, that people providing that recognizance have to take some responsibility for that even though it's the, is, is rarely so ultimately dropped those bonds. so how do, how much responsibility ultimately do you think we will see the us of the u. k. been forced to take hair when it comes to the destruction of gauze. i'm the shoot, lots of life. and so to begin with, the processes that are currently undertaken by both the us,

the u. k and all the other european states are competing illegal states have a duty not to transit weapons to israel at the moment. and further what the, the level of action that we can see in those papers that has reached complicity. this is active material contribution to an ongoing gave and the got it and international law. so on paper, when you look at it, these dates are in violation of both of the international court of justice, the decisions and this is not something that the u. k. doesn't know, or the us doesn't know. it is simply a lack of width to adhere to international law and a consistent feeling the day a lie somewhere that says exception outside of the international legal system. are we going to see any accountability? the reality is engaging with you and me, kind of them at the moment is what you call a state of orchestrated mediocre. see you get to responses the law is clear to what these days are doing. and yet, the historical colonial attitude of these institutions is now very clear. the

question is whether or not they realize the existence of crisis, the level of violations committed by the states has put the whole international legal system at it is either that this system reaches a point of absurdity ends thrown away along with its main institutions or but it's a response to this crisis that we have. you are looking at the major powers of this world being directed, complicit, and the act of the international court of justice has deemed as a plausible genocide. not only that, we are looking at an illegal occupation, but they're not allowing only if they're not only facilitating what they're allowing it to expand. as we see the main, the issue that is where it is getting up now is it says seeking to annex gaza in a society which is one of the greatest legalities that could be committed in international law. at the end of us criminal cause, the i c, c has requested arrest warrants for benjamin netanyahu,

and these were the defense minister you of the land over the allegation of war crimes. interesting, this is the 1st time it's 22 year history, but it's actually targeted a west and a major west and leader. but those restaurants were requested 5 months ago and the warrants have not yet been issued. do you think festival if we just take it back to the very basic, all we going see israel held accountable lesson, learned then perhaps the defense innocence from the u. s. and the u. k. for their involvement as well. again, this is institutional mediocre scene action. the fact that the people engaging with the international court of justice are taking it seriously is very telling. and again, if people are not sounding their alarm for a crisis, i don't know when there is a time for a crisis. but the reality is that the, it will break because the system in front of us cannot handle. what we're looking at is that to the state to find a sign we soon be pushing towards on see think is right from the united nations. we

will also be seeing movements towards establishing a new we cognizance of accountability came to what happened in the case of south africa. so the problem is, is that the accountability and these metabolism is, are coming, is that they're coming at a very slow pace until this becomes a already a, something in the past that we can romanticize about identified has already happened by the time we look at these accountability, we kind isms in action. and the reality is when you speak to people at the un, i don't think that there of the and i believe it's a conscious decision not to really conceptualize and understand how bloody is this reality that we are talking about. how up a clip take this is. and again, this all trend states into historical tendencies that we hope to see breaking, but sadly the process is too slow to a, as in response to the level of blood that we are seeing a lot when it comes to the racking,

which will surely come at some point maybe in the distant future bus at some point, will countries like the u. k. m, the us be compelled to share whatever footage they have from the surveillance mission given there were numerous involvement in these rec, like constant missions. will they be compelled to share what they have seen from those missions in a course of low what that would indicate how to visit the day off. i mean, what spoke guys was saying is for the right and adding to the data, i gather the initial quote. the importers of this comes from different aspect that needed to be highlighted when these really brigadier generating the, brought down the heads of the admitted research and development of the defense that we just sent. a said that these right has created along with the us and machine that knows how to produce and expose thousands of targets in seconds covering all

the countries around is right, including iran, shows that this technology along with precision. this size has been created to avoid civilians by targeting such, such a high number of civilians being got the navy and it showed that there is an intention behind it. and this intention is the complex. it's all the us and u. k. this is why it is not possible for the you get and you guys to say that we being sharing this intelligence information. either this intelligence permission is wrong or we are aware of the kidding cost extra last number of civilians. and we all student boss of banking and it's an odd thing. they also beeping and it because the bridge that was created between the u. s. u. k, and nato never saw supply more than 50000 tons of it. i'm in addition to these

really was aware of what these readings altering on the ground in not only targeting combat in but also targeting civilians and infrastructure. that's why to answer your questions. the answer is, i don't think these readings and you guys would have data enough, how they are equally responsible with the age read for what's how ending in god ended up in notes. because these read would not the way such a non wallet, protesting and amenities without their support and complicity. michael if we look at the a i that as well uses and indeed the other countries to pull sit with. of course the, probably the of a margin of error when you're using a i, but it seems that as well is able to stomach best and bytes. it offers collateral damage. to what extent does not exceed normal levels of collateral damage that

would be deemed excessive acceptable. in fields of will. so we've seen in some particular incidents but this really some and a half the to a bomb, a target to kill say, one or 2 militants. that they're interested in killing at the expense of $56070.00, maybe more civilians. if it, if need be, uh, and i think that the a i is, is kind of consistent with that. and in, in that, you know, there's, there's no way in a real life situation that's dynamic, can evolving over over time, that you can identify so many targets so fast and have to have those targets because it's, it, it just doesn't work that way, you know, in in any, any kind of a i, you know,

for even the most mundane task. but there are going to be errors. so there's, there's going to be an error rate and the. ready side is for the particular application that you're using your content to live with that error, right? and, you know, here i think, i think it is really something content to live with, you know, really high. yeah. error rates, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean in, in specific instances. but the point to the bombing, for example, was, was the killed civilians. but, but you know, they're, they're, they're willing to tolerate. it seems quite a terrific number of, of civilian tasks in order to, to achieve. so some kind of objective i think the use of ai is really consistent with that attitude and shopping thing use of a either use of bunk combusting bombs, the use of so called dum buttons, which specifically are supplied by the us. uh,

the same question to you, how does that compare with the normal nose of war that we might see other we've come to accept to the global sense? so one of the most recent reports by the owner operator on the occupied palace, the entire truth francesca had been, is discussed how israel is using a very reductive interpretations of international humanitarian law in order to justify its logic of genocide. and here we are talking about the state that has insistently put the lawyers next to the military decision making inside one group in order to use these very outdated laws. really the last time they were updated was the 1940s. if we're looking at them and the factors they went updated because they don't serve the interests of states that make the most money out to for. so why do we have that in mind? and we look at the, the question of proportionality is there is war in gaza is in its totality in legal, not only that is written allies continue to forget

a very important facts. and that is that part of the news do indeed have the legal right to resist. and that was invoked again by judge hillary charles ward, in the most recent case at the international court of justice. so to say the owner of these, the targets are in their nature lawful is a very big question. the whole more is on the phone. then when we look at a, i am precision. the fact is a, i entrenched as a cemetery in warfare for a previous to be caught in isaac states. so you're actually allowing this logic where once they've dominates over another, using technology that's been, you claim to be at precision. and that's again, the use of technological superiority in this case is just allowing those who have more power, those will already have power to have more power rather than and really saved guarding the lives of civilians. it is clear that is or is odyssey is not very carey about. ringback existence of policy isn't done or they even deny that policy

means have a legal right or identity understand elijah to support that is being revealed to be given to israel is described as unparalleled. the advantage that it has in this was why is it proving to be such a difficult and prolonged baffled because the official intelligence, the quality deals and munitions, the intelligence that the eyes offering and the deception of mississauga and drown the upcoming from the red c o and committed to re and whether or not decide the bottom on the ground on the ground. there must be soldiers who can capitalize all of that. and we have seen the difference between these really and the police teen and resistance in god. and also in the between that if in these and these really the difference between the 2 sides is that in both

cases, these really need to go and do the job themself. and they fighting against the owners of the land. even in the very small area we have seen have very surprising behavior. all these really all me being capable of controlling 360 full square drama is in god and being failing to make significant advance in what they have set up a 500 square moment. it's indefinite. but that's all the support they can get is use to destroy you the infrastructure. it doesn't need that off to the intelligence, you know, where the water is and the electricity. that's okay. i just want to jump in that because i want to give of the last word to michael is we're just wrapping up the time for this come conversation, michael, to see us new case stops the support today. well, it's him pots was that have on the shoot casualty figures that we're seeing on the

ground a i think it might not have an immediate impact because it will do is really support will still be provisioned with a lot of warm material. but, but then i think it would, it would certainly start to bite on top of that effect over over time. i, i do think that the is really, is, are highly dependent on the bombs in particular as uh, maybe less so on the, on the, on the surveillance given, given that the nature of the but the bombing, you know, i'm not, i'm not sure it's benefited that much from, from the surveillance, but i, i do think that you would, you would see a reaction, right in the casualty numbers if, if the last squared to somehow cut his rail off or overnight, which is not going to happen. but you have skype pathetic question. mm. indeed,

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