to charge the rise of the still religious states from an imperial proxy to an indispensable copy of the west and examines how this alliance has granted design is project global and punitive civic picture. how israel won the west part 3 on the jersey. and here's where the ministry has already killed out. is there a john listed as go on java, now it's accusing others of being harris. the network says the claims are placed an attempt to silence the few remaining reports. as in garza, why is israel targeting out of there and what are the risks put you on the list inside got this is inside story, the hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle baseless and i'm found that

that's the response from out. is there a media network of the israel, a q 6 of it's journalist and goals of belonging to palestinian on groups these way the army maintains it has documents proving the correspondence or per tips of how much atlantic g had. the network has rejected the allegations, it says it's an attempt to silence reports from the grounds of the relentless is riley involvement. it is the latest in a series of his way to crack downs on alta 0 since as well, and gone, so began moving a year ago. so what's behind it and put this passing of hostilities fall of the network will get to that, but i'll guess and just a moment. but 1st, this report what alex pad killed for doing the job reporting from one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a journalist and now which is 0 correspondence. and garza coming under is rarely a tech. yeah, it's a game. these really military has released these docum. it's which it's maintains

as evidence that 6 of elgin's 0 is doing unless a members of the wings of the palestinian groups hamas and islamic jihad, which is there, a media network, saves the allegations a baseless and has released the stipend saying it, views these fabricated accusations as a license attempt to silence the few remaining gentlest in the region and obscure the harsh realities of the war from audiences wills wide. because the government media office says, is there any forces have killed at least 177 reports is and media work is during it's for a number you a secretary of state and to be blinking sees is far too high. we are equally determined that journalists be protected far too many of lost their lives and gaza, were determined to do what we can do to ensure that again, they can do their work safely and securely as possible by or early of this month and is really drawing find at l. g 0, a cameraman, for the other. he hasn't him in the neck. he's now in a coma is ready for us,

is also killed. 5 family members of gaza, corresponding while the 2 among them. his eldest son, homes, also, and elders are a journalist and in july, and it's really a strike tugs of the kind of i will just say or correspondence a smile ago, killing him. you can see how this space has become stained with his males blood. what did this male do to deserve this? he conveyed the suffering of the people, and the true image of the committee to protect journalist says israel has repeatedly made unfrozen claims, spelled l d 0 is correspondence without provide incredible evidence of the coming is smile. it produced documents, maintaining he'd received how most, some of the treat ranking in 2007, when he would have been 10 years old. the last month is rarely forces rated elgin's

here is office and the model and the occupied we spank, and ordered it to close immediately. but followed the decision by the government and made to ben, which is 0 from a pricing and is via the network is the only international news outlet. it's still on the ground in northern garza telling the stories of palestinians on the israel as licensed c. h posted invoices, it's food, could be silenced. alex bid out to 0 for the inside story. the. well, that's bringing, i guess. now i'm from copenhagen. were joined by mohammed. sure. how to the chief of programs and communications. i think you're a mediterranean human rights monitor. in new york is jodi ginsburg, c e o of the committee, to protect john lists, which is spoken out against the accusations that as well have leveled out out of there at john list and in tennessee, gideon levy columbus at her read these paper and all through of the punishment of gaza if i will welcome to all of you,

mohammed wants to stop with you because you've taken a close look through this evidence. evidence that israel says is provided to accuse these 6 journalists and goals of belonging to palestinian on groups. all these documents are available on line. what did you make of them? basically to start with some of these general list have been threatened repeatedly by the idea of what is being the authorities to stop doing what they were doing to stop their credit can work particularly and move in gaza or is face consequences. so this is very convenient, so it suddenly is really the finds out all of the mark militants. but basically if you look at the documents itself, you get the immediate impression that is a very, very badly connected fraud. for example, take for instance, and the sensor view is as easy as main generalist and loading cars at the moment. basically, they claim that he was recruited in the cassandra gates on his 17th birthday on, on the day of his actual birthday, but that he was wounded with a lot of problems. we kia and a lot of problems with his side constant migraines and incapacitated in one

document. they say he's quote, suspended in the next document. it shows him as a foot soldier in the next document. it shows him as a north militant, that is how much is the lead special force unit. if you look at another one like a lot, i don't see. it shows that he was recruited in homos at the age of 50 and something totally unheard of. usually how much membership you can only join them after you pass high school. and so at the age of 18 presumably. so it's similar to how they claim that it's my little own. after the blue, his head off, they said he was recruited into how much is mean if you wouldn't get the age of 10 . but if one is gullible enough to phone for is fields and evidence, unsubstantiated propaganda and believe them, although they've been caught lying thousands and thousands of times since october 7th, if you take their claims at face value and you presume the standard is to have some connection to how much or these linux you have, it's not sufficient to establish them as legitimate targets. you need to establish that we are active combatants taking parts and will still it is because the funding

is really side. many is really janet mists are themselves reservists in the id f, for instance box of each one of his genes most prominent gen and s t is suspended his reserve duty on the left ear in protest against me from the apple. you have a lot janet. it's, for instance, like nits on ship here with a gentleman in these readers. most watch television channel channels with who is actively now combat them taking part in the war in leap along with the soul. just be fighting as a combatant. so it's not sufficient to just claim that they are affiliated, come on, i assume gaza is a government, a political party, military group, and a part of civil society. these are on the level of charities. so me, your affiliation is insufficient, but even they are in the document. it says for instance, if i let say that man is a member of the p, a g media committee, so no active cool drone whatsoever. that's that's for instance, a separate arch has been excommunicated. fired, so it's not sufficient to establish them as you give them a targets. so

a lot of discrepancies. badge i know you have to have a translated documents on the same page at st. p. j has responded to them. what do you read into them? when we say this as a pass in from israel, frankly, it is not the 1st time that israel has accuse journalist i the in advance. so most frequently of the killing them of being terrace refilled with homes of the to the so that with a smart alcohol. but we've also seen that before, this coverage will in 2023 and may 2023. so if you do produce a report code that'd be passing in which we identified this continue a pass and by is read of alleging dots done, and that's a terrorist. and, and as we hubs just now, got through all the convenience when they want to stop people from reporting. and we know that this war has been going on for a. yeah. and we know that these 6 men,

they always have like celebrity like status on houses. there are a bank, they be well known to the is rainy's. why tall get them now? why? because he is urge it laura, if you do that because but his right there wouldn't be under the 0, there would be only these weighted convenience. mainly. is there any propaganda to blame? but i, i don't know that there's about extra volta and i have my doubts because i know the way that these are the propaganda throw. the army spoke person is working. maybe they were affiliated, the, maybe not. but didn't get premier did best buy according just they say. now think of premier just doesn't make any want to target and it's above board. lucas boss is writing sure varies. i mean, do we a, we read all these very shortly, started quoting independently before or too big a really,

to the hard jewels. all the serving get very clear they're up to you and they are booked ready on 3rd over there. so i'm going to so they are serving only one, there didn't go one story, not showing anything from guys that both of them are serving the army and the reserves of the know, but it doesn't mean much they or them by us. that means it's bundled the dock this time. so these are the media these last year, which will be really presentation, which i probably want to the board is ready to be because it became such a propaganda tool. so to come in to say that and just 0, they only give the nation or alter which is present. the grounding browser is the just you already know nothing about what's going on in garza. and that's essentially what steps is. right, is what it wants domain to be spine, to make this more,

to make these met screening without any disturbance. and then he come to us. and this is impossible in the democratic world ending the modern world. and therefore, is earnings trying to, to target can be which fuse is full targeting. and down to we all know, over 150 killer jewelry switch binds central the show these way, by the way to the shop is worth more than you should have. so it just 0 because the straight result is the 0. most of it is getting points out the, the death toll for john list is so high in garza, it is the most dangerous place in the world to act as a john list. husbands about, he's one of the people who have been one of the 6 we've been targeted here by is what he has said that these aren't cues. ations intends to turn them in to quote killable targets. do you now fit for these men safety and goza? moving perhaps you would already i was shaking as soon as i heard the news

yesterday. i couldn't believe that is read would take this very blatant step of silencing. basically the very few remaining gen and this to live in northern gaza at a time. where is the is now at a peak moment of mass extermination matthews mix. they split cleansing, masturbation in northern gods in particular in japan and be back in bit tunnel. and they've been there now for over $24.00 days of just non stop the populating go 5th part of gaza. so it's very, very, very frightening spec to can. but as you mentioned earlier, i have friends in god's award genet as to who's been telling me throughout the war that they are very terrified, very afraid to put on the gen that is the best or mark themselves with any distinctive marking that says press or else them as jen, it is because the fear that this is just going to put a hip target on your hip. i even have clinics, we're afraid to do their jobs as generous. they just decided to hide throughout the war and not perform any sort of activity. so that they don't become targets,

this is unheard of, of any of the conflict that you can think about in the last 2 decades, at least if not more. it, it's basically is field is now launching a target at assessing nation against international law and international humanitarian new, particularly the principal of distinction and proportionality. you'll see this very conscious effort to label everyone in gaza, not as a civilian combatant, but even as a terrorist or a human to you for a terrorist. you don't, here is the same, doesn't civilians anymore. you machines. org. and that is a very frightening expect. again, it is part of this is really very close, which is probably genocide that they are committing to finish off the guns. a question with absolutely no restraint. but it's very creative can once they start targeting gym and it's, it's mainly about burying evidence because it's janet it's, it's a gatekeeper to huge amount of information. it's also about an information that a blacked out why the older out the gaza strip, so that no more information comes out. that's why we see is really kind of fueled

and, and the supplies to northern doesn't allow at the moment to disability complaints. so that you stop hearing what is going on and they're making life extremely difficult for everybody, including douglas, jody. when you hear about this, when you head, but just unless costing aside the press jackets, which is supposed to protect them, but now make them a target. what do you feel because you work for the committee to protect chatting lists, what protections exist in goals for john list today? none whatsoever, and i feel totally and utterly broken. it is, and i have never experience anything like this. i've worked for more than 2 decades as a journalist and i have never experienced anything like this. the sight of done this morning that colleagues on the almost daily basis um the, the, the side of for the anatomy and hospital still denied medical treatment,

which again, feels like another way of punishing. now is, is there a way of preventing further information getting out of garza, there is no protection. there is no protection. as we, we've heard the international rules around who john and as a civilians and should never be targeted. no civilians should be targeted. no civilians should be indiscriminate lee in the way that we are saying in gaza. and one of the challenges that we have is not only that journalists are being swept up in these indiscriminate killings, but that as we have seen in this latest attempt to submit the, i'll just there, a journalist journalist a being set up as legitimate target. so being accused of being tyrants, so have a being accused of being used as human shields to excuse and justify that. no full killings will crimes essentially. but the really terrifying thing is,

you know, that works because as we've heard then people decide that they're not going to report. and we absolutely need that information. we need those individuals who are going to give the evidence, provide the information, show the photographs, show the videos, the what is happening inside caused them with every journalist killed with up redone and us who decides not to report whether it be journalist injured. would that be done list this place we have less and less information coming out of good and all of that, of course, is part and positive. a much bigger citizenship regime that we seen. some is around them, which they've hit minutes. they started, they've had media buildings, media facilities of civilian infrastructure. they've closed out of their, they've closed out as aaron is run on an carmella. they've, they've prevented international journalists getting in to cause of which again, is unprecedented in more, over the past 2 decades, 3 decades,

even the most egregious was international, done. this have been able to find some way in, we have not seen that in this last 12 months. maybe even had the us house democrats racing and that's, that's a present joe biden, demanding that he pressure is really government from that in, for an journalist to get in. do you think that the, the problem is, and that's and you know, who is paying any attention to those sort of the moms. oh, obviously notes and it's even though tony's day, but is that always dedicated to continue their role in any price? you can also request the american administration. so you were told to the to know are either a jesus from or kind of as soon as society organizations is far away from our base human rights. never interested in, by the way the boss initial enrolled for the like, for most of these ladies,

isn't aunty, send me to the toner gate, stays right and nothing but these therefore user controlled, unique north. and we don't do the ignoring until the words we wake up and moved in and we, i mean that's what's to pick up, get in on something that uh, jody said just a little earlier. she said that as well as trying to justify his actions in providing this so called evidence, the alleging that these 6 journalists are linked to palestinian on groups. i just want to know who is israel trying to justify his actions to because it's shown scanned for a golf, international opinion, even international humanitarian. lo, you know, kids that are booked unit to use. they found those forms where those things appear . why and not destroyed they're not that you're in any one tests ability. by all means no. i mean they couldn't continue to, to, it's mary to an israel, won't care about you do cruelty my colleagues. the drone of these will never say

the word that about this mesquite and go to have is been garza. so i don't see that good special ed quotes for just the by themselves. but the thing is that i'll put you on a do use the of those forms. we show that someone are recruited for the months and the age of 10 or 15. why not short then? somebody's right is we believe we spend some european in america and may be, we'd really need and by the base they were just before the cubicle or one of the state. georgia is that they queued because they're or tell me is this. we know most of these ladies or the people guys out there is the understanding and therefore they can all be talking to the own, committed the crimes of the 7, so full, but then they're called or is the best model is given the extraordinarily difficult conditions, the old gallstones are living in and especially gentlest living and as they try to

continue the work is they try to get the message out. what do you think it is that drives these people? all the people who we see out there, our back. how does their english fix as freelance as people who are blogging people who are on social media. anyone who's twins getting the message out is getting and says becomes more of a target for the as riley's, what drives people to keep doing it a hi, it's basically the will to live this sort of, i'm dying when to, to survive. it's basically people are, they are going to create plans every day going like i have friends who have to will kilometers and kilometers for just charge of phone with the solar panels out in the open under air strikes. just hoping that may be a video of the population or something the managed to feeling might move the contents of sleep in conscience of to what there is this sort of persistence to try to do whatever you can do to make the war stop at it at any point that i don't, and basically i hear from a lot of people at this particular moment. it's very frightening and depressing

where people are saying, no, it doesn't matter anymore what i post or right. we're not gonna change, we're not going to sweet. we're not going to win any sympathy. why keep doing it? that's a very frightening moment of disappear. but nonetheless, you have this very energy that is tied to survive. and where people understand that if the cameras stop, if the noise stops on social media, in and dizzy or in other news channels is free and we get away with much, much, much worse than what it is inflicting on guns at the moment. so it is some sort of disparate at defense mechanism to survive, to just want to live, to try to move the sleeping country as of the world. and unfortunately, it's not working. that's a depressing part. tardies right, isn't it? i mean, no matter what pictures come out, so have gone to of the devastation of the horror. of the depth of the stall invasion of a seed of the hospital flows covered in blood and covered. and people who've been injured in bombings, no matter what pictures of being shown. and this is not how mass propaganda is.

israel would like to have us believe these are pictures. this is video that the pictures to lie. what impacts has it had? do you think? because it doesn't seem to have shifted the dial on international opinion. it certainly hasn't shipped, it's the, the governmental political action. although we are beginning to see some movement from some countries, not the us unfortunately, but, but from some countries, i just want to get back to something that you us get in about. and why is why might do that? so i think it's a really, this is a really important question. why it might bother to kind of release this information it's, it's causing positive an attempt to discredit the information coming out. if you say, well this, it, these people are just terrorist. you can of piece get you can you can that create as a kind of sense amongst people that the images that they say should not be trusted, thought deliberate. that's absolutely deliberate to make the international

population down 20 to see is a form of kind of gas light saying, right that if, if the people taking the pictures, the people producing these reports or terrorist, then what they're producing cannot be credible. and so it's intentional to make of doubt the images that we see. and i think we need to stress over and over again. is that those images coming out of gauze or from goals and done this that goes in janice, have been producing for over a year despite the most atrocious conditions. images that we must take extremely seriously. they are trustworthy images, they are trustworthy videos. these are not made up by a propagandist, they say is what is happening in garza and the international kit community needs to wake up and they need to take action. jay davis, this is neil who and you have columbus defense mess. so there are the ones by the i see, see, is what your request out for an arrest warrant for them for will crimes. do you see

this thing to that list of war crimes? alleged will crimes. well, yes. and one of the things about why during the, let's do what they do is, is a bearing witness here. you hope that by documenting the as far as the so that something will change and it's something always quit to be important. but the important and the key thing is to buy witness to have the evidence. and we know that in other was the images and the information and the stories documented by journalists have been used to bring justice and suggest accountability. so as you know we, we hope them, we pray that these images will, will move something in this world. but we also know that the evidence that has been gathered will, will be useful for many years to come as, as the, who's been wrongfully killed. seek justice. okay, a get in, i'm taping and the respective states has just been in the region. to what extent do

you feel the u. s. has turned a blind eye to this targeting of john list. i want to just recall a report from the early days of the war and october a year ago went on c, blinking reports of the off, the guitar, a prime minister to quote ton down the volume of alger 0 is gauze a coverage. today we had him say, john list must be protected and fall too many lives have been lost. but towards extensive cus enabled, it analyzed the way that the blinking is describing the situation is just very cool to team who in the lives of jo. notice most of web taken, known as the blinking during the shoulders, which is why these are the army. that's the way to say their life was still taken by gold or by fates their life was taken by the east red y'all. me that you simple . you finance you, um and you use that'd be i'm be so busy book receive really those big total

declaration. so blink and again and again, let's improve the many terry and a progress. uh, let smoke q so many should really splits get a little bit less to release. and then we have our piece for my this, we wish this shows the weakness and the focus of the american administration. nothing but these. but how about just the last word to you as long as this will continues? do you believe that john? this will continue to be at risk? is this? absolutely, as you mentioned earlier, is field is launching a very sort of determined campaign on premised on 2 things. banding goal international gymnast from excess to gaza? absolutely. banning all of them unless they are willing to be embedded with the idea of and feeling only what the idea of want them to feeling and, and what they want them to see as part of what is the propaganda. and then the 2nd treatment is basically the legitimizing threatening, intimidating terrorizing,

and outright killing existing kidnapping. one thing jenna missed on the mass key right now and gaza. the amount of gentleness that is the less scales is about almost 3 times as many as old gentlemen. that were killed in only 20 years of the american war and vietnam, and in, in the entirety of the 2nd or more it's, it's on the president and in every sense of the word. and as long as there is no sort of pressure on history. and as long as there is no red line being drawn in the sand, very genuinely, not just victoriously because of american elections, as long as that is not based as being with continues to target gender, this lot of stuff. okay. i want to thank all of you very much for coming in today on the program to talk about this very important topic. of course one that's very close to our hearts here at out is there mohammed show how to dirty cans bug and get in and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by

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