one of america's pores, counties, struggles to cancel those most in the least able to afford it. so many of the people out here can't pay for care. so that's all to your how long can she keep the doors as i'm have spent all mirror? and so basically, you can't just walk away. i'm going to sail witness. the only doctor on out is there. is there any minute tre has already killed? i'll just there, which on less than it was on java. now it's accusing others of being harris. the network says the claims are placed an attempt to silence the few remaining reports . as in garza, why is israel tom getting out of there? i'm one of the with put you on the list inside the office. this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle baseless and on found that's the response from out. is there a media network of to israel, a q 6 of as journalists and goals of belonging to palestinian on groups is where the army maintains it has documents. proving the correspondence all protects of how much alignment jihad the network has rejected. the allegations, it says it's an attempt to silence reports from the grounds of the relentless is rarely involvement. it is the latest in a series of his way to crack downs on al jazeera since as well, and gone, so began to move in a year ago. so what's behind it, and could this passing of hostilities fall of the network will get to all that, but i'll guess and just the moments. but 1st, this report had expand that killed for doing the job, reporting from one of the most dangerous places in the world to be

a journalist and now which is 0 correspondence in gaza. a coming under is rarely a tech. it's a game. these really ministry has released these documents, which it's maintains as evidence that 6 of elders 0 is journalists, are members of the wings of the palestinian groups hamas and islamic jihad. oh, does there a media network, saves the allegations a baseless and has released a statement saying it views these fabricated accusations as a license attempt to silence the few remaining gentlest in the region and obscure the harsh realities of the war from audiences wells wide. the guys of government media offices is there. any forces have killed at least 177 reports as and media work is during it's for a number you a secretary of state and to be blinking sees is far too high. we are equally determined that journalist be protected far too many of lost their lives and gaza, were determined to do what we can to ensure that again,

they can do their work safely and securely as possible, right, or early of this month and is rarely drawn. find at l. g 0, a cameraman, fuzzy, l a. he hasn't him. and then nick, he's now in a coma. is ready for us, is also killed. 5 family members of gaza, corresponding what old to among them. his eldest son comes also an old. is there a journalist and in july and it's really a strike tugs at the count of l. g 0 correspondent, a smile while ago killing him. she wants to send me. you can see how this space does become sustained with the smell of blood. what it is smelled do to deserve this. he conveyed the suffering of the people. and the true image of the committee to protect journalist says israel has repeatedly made unfrozen claims belt l. d 0 is correspondence without providing credible evidence of the killing is smile. it produced documents, maintaining he'd received

a how most some of the treat ranking in 2007, when he would have been 10 years old. the last month is really forces rated l. g 0 is office and the model and the occupied we spank, and ordered it to close immediately. that father the decision by the government and made to ben l. g 0 from a pricing and is via the network is the only international news outlets still on the ground and open gaza, telling the stories of palestinians under israel as licensed c, h pellets to the invoices. it's food could be silenced. that like speed, which is 0 for the inside story. the. well, that's bringing all guess now and from copenhagen were joined by my how much your how to the chief of programs and communications. i think you're a mediterranean human rights. most of the time in new york is jodi ginsberg, c e o. if the committee to protect john lists, which is spoken out against the accusations that as well have leveled out out there

at john list and, and kind of if get in levy calling this perhaps these pay for the end of through of the punishment of gaza. if i will welcome to all of you momma that wants to start with you because you've taken a close look through this evidence. evidence that is well says is provided to a choose these 6 journalist and goals of belonging to palestinian armed with all these documents are available on line. what did you make of them? basically to start with, some of these general list have been threatened repeatedly by the idea is bring the authorities to stop doing what they were doing to stop their critic and work particularly and move in gaza or is face consequences. so this is very convenient. so suddenly is really the finds out, all of them are militants. but basically if you look at the documents itself, you get the immediate impression that is a very, very badly connected fraud. for example, take for instance, and the sensor view is as easy as main generalist and loading cars at the moment. basically, they claim that he was recruited in the cassandra gates on his 17th birthday on,

on the day of his actual birthday, but that he was wounded with a lot of problems. we kia and a lot of problems with his side constant migraines and incapacitated in one document. they say he's quote, suspended in the next document. it shows him as a foot soldier in the next document. it shows him as a north militant, that is how much does he need special force unit? if you look at another one, like a lot, i don't see. it shows that he was recruited in. hum us at the age of 50 and something totally unheard of. usually homeless membership, you can only join them after you pass high school, and so at the age of 18 presumably. so it's similar to how they claim that it's my little own. after they blew his head off, they said he was recruited into how much is mean if you wouldn't get the age of 10 . but if one is gullible enough to phone for is fields and evidence, unsubstantiated propaganda and believe them, although they've been caught lying thousands and thousands of times since october 7th, if you take their claims at face value and you presume the standard is to have some

connection to how must or these limit jihad, it's not sufficient to establish them as legitimate targets. you need to establish that we are active combatants taking part simple still it is because the funding is really side. many is really janet mists are themselves reservists in the id f, for instance box of each one of his genes most prominent gen and s t is suspended his reserve duty on the left ear in protest against me from the apple. you have a lot jen, and as for instance, like nits on ship here, we is generally as the news readers most watched television channel channels when, who is actively now of combat them taking the part in the war in leap along with the soldiers be fighting as a combatant, so it's not sufficient to just claim that they are affiliated, hum, honestly and gaza is a government, a political party, military group, and a part of civil society. these are on the level of charities. so me, your affiliation is insufficient, but even we are in the document. it says for instance, that i let say that man is a member of the days media committee. so no active cool drone whatsoever. except

for instance, that separate arch has been excommunicated. fired. so it's not sufficient to establish them as we give them a targets. so a lot of discrepancies the judge. i know you've seen a translated documents on the same page at st. p. j has responded to them. what do you read into them? when we say this as a pass in from israel, frankly, it is not the 1st time that israel has accuse journalist i the in advance. so most frequently of to killing them of being terrorist. we saw that with homes adults do. we saw that with a smart alcohol, but we've also seen that before. this coverage will in 2023 in may 2023. so if you do produce a report code that the passing in which we identified this continue will pass and by is read of alleging that's done. and as a terrorist and,

and as we hubs just now, that throughout the convenience when they want to stop people from reporting. and we know that this war has been going on for a. yeah. and we know that these 6 men, they always have like celebrity like status on houses. there are a bank, they be well known to the is rainy's. why tall get them now? why? because it is urgent. laura, if you go to the 3rd but his right there wouldn't be under the 0, there would be only these weighted convenience. mainly. is there any propaganda to blame? but i, i don't know that there's about in sure, but uh, i have my doubts because i know the way that these are the propaganda throw. the army spoke person is working. maybe they were affiliated, the, maybe not, but didn't get burned irritated as by cutting just they say now think of failure to doesn't make any want to target. and it's above board. you can fast these right,

initial letters. i mean, do we a really read all these very shortly started quoting independently before too big a really so the hard jewish all the survey gets very clear. they're up to you and they are hooks ready on 3rd over there. so i'm going to so they are certainly the only one there at the technical one story. not showing anything from guys, that part of them are serving the army in the reserves of the no, but he doesn't mean much they or i've been biased. that means it's bundled the dock this time. so these are the media these last year, which will be really presentation, usually product. what are the boys ready to be recording? became structure propaganda to so to come in to say that and just 0, the only in the nation alter which is present the ground thing. does it felt that

just your, you know, nothing about those going on in garza, and that's essentially what steps is. right? use right wants domain to be spine to make this more to make this mess, screening without any disturbance, any color s. and this is impossible in the democratic world ending the modern world. and therefore is earnings trying to cool targets can be bitch fuse is full target t and l. so we all know over 150 cheated children of these which binds some sugar shop. these were, by the way to choose the shop. these are all the short of so it just 0 because the straight result is the 0. my way to get in points out the the death toll for job list is so high in garza, it is the most dangerous place in the world to act as a john list husbands about he's one of the people who have been one of the 6 who being targeted have by is what he has said, that these aren't cues,

ations intends to turn them into. quote, killable tall gets to you now fit for these men safety and garza moving perhaps you would already i was shaking as soon as i heard the news yesterday. i couldn't believe that is read would take this very blatant step of silencing, basically the very few remaining gen and this to live in northern gaza at a time. where is pete is now at a peak moment of mass extermination matthews. next, it's me cleansing masturbation in northern gods in particular in japan and be back in bit tunnel and they've been there now for over 24 days of just let us talk the populating gulf that part of gus it. so it's very very, very frightening spectacle. but as you mentioned earlier, i have friends in god's award genet as to who's been telling me throughout the war that they are very terrified. very afraid to put on the agenda is the best or mark themselves with any distinctive marking that says press or else them as jen. and it's because the fear that this is just going to put

a hit target on your hip. i even have clinics were afraid to do their jobs as generous. they just decided to hide throughout the war and not perform any sort of activity so that they don't become targets. this is unheard of, of any of the conflict that you can think about in the last 2 decades, at least, if not more, if it's basically is read is now launching a targeted assassination against international law and international humanitarian. know, particularly the principle of distinction and proportionality. you'll see this very conscious effort to label everyone in gaza, not as a civilian combatant, but even as a terrorist or a human teen for a terrorist, you don't, here is the thing doesn't civilians anymore. you machines or and that is a very frightening expect. again, it is part of this is really very funny, which is implausible genocide that they're committing to finish all the gods. a question with absolutely no restraint, but it's very creative can once they start targeting gen, at least it's mainly about burying evidence because each generalist, if it's

a gatekeeper to a huge amount of information. it's also about an information that a black out. why the older out the gaza strip so that no more information comes out . that's why we see is really kind of fuel and, and the supplies to northern doesn't allow at the moment to disability complaints so that you stop hearing what is going on. and they're making life extremely difficult for everybody including douglas study. when you hear about this, when you head that job, unless costing aside that press jackets, which is supposed to protect them, but now make them a target. what do you feel because you work for the committee to protect chatham lists, what protections exist in goals for john list today? none whatsoever, and i feel totally and utterly broken. it is that i have never experience anything like this. i was moving to decades as a gentleness and i have never experienced anything like this. the sight of john and this morning,

the colleagues on the almost daily basis um the, the, the side of for the money and hospitals still denied medical treatment, which again, feels like another way of punishing now is, is there of preventing further information. getting out of garza, there is no protection. there is no protection as we, we've heard the international rules around who john and this the civilians and should never be targeted. no civilian should be targeted. no civilian should be in discriminatory in the way that we are saying in gaza. and one of the challenges that we have is not only that journalists are being swept up in these indiscriminate killings, but that as we have seen in this latest attempt to submit the, i'll just there a journalist jealous of being set up as a legitimate target. so being accused of being tyrants, so have

a being accused of being used as human shields to excuse and justify that. no full killings will crimes essentially. but the really terrifying thing is, you know, that works because as we've heard then people decide that they're not going to report and we absolutely need the information. we need those individuals who are going to give the evidence, provide the information, show the photographs, show the videos to what is happening inside caused them with every journalist killed. with that redundant as who decides not to report whether it be done, it is injured. with that redone. this displays, we have less and less information coming out of gauze. and all of that, of course, is part and positive. a much bigger citizenship regime that we seeing some is around them, which they've hit minutes of the story. they've had media buildings, media facilities of civilian infrastructure. they've closed out of their they've closed out as aaron is run on an carmella. they've,

they've prevented international journalists getting in to cause of which again, is unprecedented in more, over the past 2 decades, 3 decades. even then the most egregious was international done. this have been able to find some way in we have not seen that in this last 12 months and that way they even had the us house democrats voicing, and that's, that's a present joe biden, demanding that he pressure the is really government to me that in for an journalist to get in, do you think that the, the problem is, and that's, and you all who is paying any attention to those sort of the mom's so obviously notes and you'd see the note on his day, but he's always dedicated to continue the role and any bryce, you can also request the american administration. so you were told to the, to know our other a jesus from board. kind of 1st secret society organizations is far away from our

base human rights. never interested in, by the way the boss initial, they're all for the light. for most of these ladies, isn't aunty, send me to, to, to gauge stays right. nothing but days that the user can don't janitta north and we don't do the ignoring the wake up and moved in and do it. i mean, so what's the pick up, get in on something that uh, jody said just a little earlier. she said that as well as trying to justify his actions in providing this so called evidence the alleging that these 6 journalists linked to palestinian on groups. i just want to know who is israel trying to justify his actions too, because it shone scans for a golf international opinion and even international humanitarian. lo, you know, keeps there, is it a book unit to use? they found those forms where those things appear. why and not destroyed today or

not that you're in any one case ability, by all means no, i mean they couldn't continue to kill. it's married to an israel. don't care about you do cruelty, my colleagues, the drone of these old never say the word or that about this mesquite and go to her as being gaza. so i don't see that gold special efforts to adjust it by themselves . but the thing is, i don't put you on a d, h the of those homes, which show that somebody recruited to the how much and the age of 10 or 15. why not the shortest then somebody's right is we'd be beat and some european in america, and maybe we'd really need. and by the base they were just before the cubicle or one of the state. georgia is that they queued because they're or telling me is this . we know most of these ladies or the people guys out there was the for the spending and therefore they can or be target. they implemented the crime. so the 7 so full, but then they're called or is the best model is given the extraordinarily

difficult conditions, but all gallstones are living in and especially gentlest living. and as they try to continue that work is they try to get the message out. what do you think it is that drives these people? all the people who we see officer arabic, how does their english fix is freelance is people who are blogging and people who are on social media. anyone who's twins getting the message out is gideon says becomes more of a target for the israelis what drives people to keep doing it the right. it's basically the will to live this sort of on dying when to, to survive. it's basically people are, they are going to create lens every day going like i have friends who have to will kilometers and kilometers for just charge of phone with the solar panels out in the open under air strikes. just hoping that may be a video of the population or something the managed to feeling might move the contents of sleep in conscience of to what there is this sort of persistence to try

to do whatever you can do to make the war stop at it at any point at all, and basically i hear from a lot of people at this particular moment. it's very frightening and depressing where people are saying, no, it doesn't matter anymore what i post or right. we're not gonna change, we're not going to sweep. we're not going to win any sympathy. why keep doing it? that's a very frightening moment of disappear. but nonetheless, you have this very energy that is tied to survive. and where people understand that if the cameras stop, if the noise stops on social media, in and dizzy or in other news channels is free and we get away with much, much, much worse than what it is inflicting on guns at the moment. so it is some sort of disparate at defense mechanism to survive, to just want to live, to try to move the sleeping contents of the world. and unfortunately, it's not working. that's a depressing part. that is right, isn't it? i mean, no matter what pictures come out of golf, of the devastation of the horror, of the depth of the stall invasion of the seed,

of the hospital flows covered in blood and covered and people who have been injured in bombings, no matter what pictures of being shown, and this is not how mass propaganda is. israel would like to have us believe these are pictures. this is video that the pictures there lie. what impact has it had? do you think? because it doesn't seem to have shifted the dial on international opinion. it certainly hasn't shifted to be done on governmental political action, although we are beginning to see some movement from some countries not been us unfortunately, but, but from some countries, i just want to get back to something that you, us getting and about and, and why is why might do that? so i think it's a really, this is a really important question. why it might bother to kind of release this information it's, it's causing positive an attempt to discredit the information coming out. if you say, well this, it, these people are just terrorist, you can please get you. can you can that create

a kind of sense amongst people that the images that they see should not be trusted . that's deliberate. that's absolutely deliberate. to make the international population down to wants you to see is a form of kind of gas slide saying, right, that if, if the people taking the pictures, the people producing these reports or terrorist, then what they're producing cannot be credible. and so it's intentional to make of doubt the images that we see. and i think we need to stress over and over again. is that those images coming out of garza from gauze and john isabel garzin janice, have been producing for over a year despite the most atrocious conditions. uh, images that we must take extremely seriously. they are trustworthy images, they have trustworthy videos. these are not made up by pop again. this, this is multi is happening in garza and the international kit community needs to wake up and they need to take action during this a lesson. yahoo!

and you have columbus defense mess. so there are they want to buy the i see. see, is what your request out for an arrest warrant full them full will crimes. do you see this adding to that list of all crimes and that will crimes one yes. and one of the things about why done and let's do what they do is, is a bearing witness here. you hope that by documenting the as far as the so that something will change and that something will move quit to the important. but the important and the key thing is to buy witness to have the evidence. and we know that in other was the images and the information and the stories documented by journalists have been used to bring justice and suggest accountability. so, as you know we, we hope them, we pray that these images will, will move something in this world. but we also know that the evidence that has been gathered will, will be useful for many years to come as, as the,

who's been wrongfully killed. seek justice. okay, good. and i'm taping and the respective states has just been in the region. to what extent do you feel the u. s. has turned a blind eye to this targeting of john list. i want to just recall a report from the early days of the war and october a year ago went on c, blinking reports of the aust, the guitar, a prime minister to quote ton down the volume of ours is 0 is gone, was a coverage today we had him say, john list must be protected and fall too many lives have been lost, but to was extensive cus enabled, it analyzed the way that the blinking is describing the situation. you're just re quoted. he who many lives of jo. notice most of web taken, known as the blinking joined the soonest, which is why these are the army. that's the way to say their life was not taken by

going to by faith. their life was thinking by these read y'all, me that you support you finance you. um and you use that'd be i'm be so busy book receive really those big total declaration. so blink and again, and again, let's improve the you many tell me on a progress uh let smoke q so many should really splits get a little bit less thrown at least. and then we'd have our piece for, by this we wish this show the weakness and the bulk of the american administration . nothing but these ball. but just the last word to you as long as this will continues. do you believe that, john? this will continue to be at risk. it's just absolutely. as you mentioned earlier, is field is launching a very sort of determined campaign on premised on 2 things. banding, goal international gymnast from excess to gaza. absolutely. banning all of them unless they are willing to be embedded with the idea of and feeling only what the

idea of want them to feeling and, and what they want them to see as part of what it is be propaganda. and then the 2nd treatment is basically the legitimizing threatening, intimidating terrorizing, and outright killing existing kidnapping. one thing jenna missed on the mass key right now. and gaza. the amount of gentleness that is be less skilled is about almost 3 times as many as old gentlemen. that were killed in only 20 years of the american war on vietnam. and in, in the entirety of the 2nd or more it's, it's on the president did in every sense of the word. and as long as there is no sort of pressure on his feet, as long as there is no red line being drawn in the sand, very genuinely, not just victoriously because of the american elections. as long as that is not based as being with continues to target gender, this lot of stuff. okay. i want to thank all of you very much for coming in today on the program to talk about this very important topic. of course one that's very close to

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. and i'm for me to bundle all of the top stories and altura is ready. um it is again, boomed ohms, and the jamalia refugee camp in northern garza. the civil defense is a large number of people have been killed or injured. northern cause has been under is really siege and a heavy bombardment for 3 weeks. more than 775 students have been killed and about 400000 people. remain tracked is really forces had been systematically attacking homes and shelters, forcing civilians out of gunpoint and carrying off to mass arrest.