once you yeah, to provide aids, are you looking back? are, you know, i'm not far but not in the eyes of this government to my life as being us. can you just me like i just said, because of these really toast. in the 2nd part of the series, we follow a british age work or as he prepares to cut a test, his citizenship revocation, the less than attitude determines increase. so you're only as good as possible. take listen sir. yeah, and i'll just 0 is where the minute tree has already killed all just there, which on less than it was on java. now it's accusing others of being harris. the network says the claims are placed an attempt to silence the few remaining reports . as in garza, why is israel tong thing out of there? and what are the risks? which on the list inside got? this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle baseless and i'm found that that's the response from out. is there a media network of the israel, a q 6 of as journalists and goals of belonging to palestinian on groups? these where the army maintains it has documents proving the correspondence all protects of how much. and as lubbock jihad, the network has rejected the allegations, it says it's an attempt to silence reports from the grounds of the relentless is rarely involvement. it is the latest in a series of his way to crackdowns on al jazeera since as well. i'm going to began moving a year ago, so what's behind it? and could this passing of hostilities fall of the network will get to all that, but i'll guess in just a moment. but 1st, this report, while expand, killed for doing the job. reporting from one of the most is dangerous places in the

wills to be a journalist. and now l g 0 correspondence and gaza coming under is rarely a tech. it's a game. these really minute tree has released these documents, which it's maintains as evidence that 6 of elgin's 0 is journalists, are members of the wings of the palestinian groups, hamas and islamic jihad, which is there, a media network saves the allegations, a baseless and his release to stipend saying it views these fabricated accusations as a licensed attempt to silence the few remaining journalists in the region and obscure the harsh realities of the war from audiences wells wide. the guys, the government media office says, is there any forces have killed at least 177 reports has and media work is during it's for a number you a secretary of state and to be blinking sees is far too high. we are equally determined that journalist be protected far too many of lost their lives and gaza, were determined to do what we can to ensure that again,

they can do their work safely and securely as possible, right, or early of this month and is rarely drawn. find at l. g 0, a cameraman fund, the o a he hasn't him in the neck. he's now in a coma. is ready. false is also killed. 5 family members of gaza, corresponding what old to among them. his eldest son comes also an old. is there a journalist and in july and is really is strikes hugs of the account of l. g 0 correspondent, a smile while ago killing him. you can see how this face does become sustained with the smell of blood. what did this smell do to deserve this? he conveyed the suffering of the people, and the true image of the committee to protect journalist says israel has repeatedly made unfrozen. claims about l. d. 0 is correspondence without provide incredible evidence of the killing is smile. it produced documents,

maintaining he'd received a how most some of the treat ranking in 2007, when he would have been 10 years old. the last month is really forces rated l. g 0 is office and the model and the occupied we spank, and ordered it to close immediately. but father, the decision by the government and made to ben elgin's 0 from a pricing is via the network is the only international news outlet. it's still on the ground and north and gaza, telling the stories of palestinians on the israel as licensed seems palestinian voices. it's food could be silenced. alex bid, which is 0 for the inside story. the. well, that's bringing, i guess. now i'm from copenhagen. we're joined by i'm a how much your how to the chief of programs and communications at the you're a mediterranean human rights. most of the time in new york is jody ginsburg. c e. o . if the committee to protect john lists, which is spoken out against the accusations that as well have leveled out out there

at john list. and instead of you get in levy on this. perhaps these pay for the end of through of the punishment of gaza. if i will welcome to all of you, well, i'm going to start with you because you've taken a close look through this evidence. evidence that is well says is provided to accuse these 6 journalist and goals of belonging to palestinian armed with all these documents are available on line. what did you make of them? basically to start with some of these general list have been threatened repeatedly by the idea of what is being the authorities to stop doing what they were doing to stop their credit can work particularly and move in gaza or it was face consequences. so this is very convenient, so it suddenly is really the finds out, all of them are militants. but basically if you look at the documents itself, you get the immediate impression that is a very badly connected fraud. for example, take for instance, and the sensor view is as easy as main generalist and loading cause at the moment. basically,

they claim that he was recruited in the cassandra gates on his 17th birthday on, on the day of his actual birthday, but that he was wounded with a lot of problems. we kia and a lot of problems with his side constant migraines and incapacitated in one document. they say he's quote, suspended in the next document. it shows him as a foot soldier in the next document. it shows him as a north militant, that is how much is the lead special force unit. if you look at another one like a lot, i don't see. it shows that he was recruited in homos at the age of 50 and something totally unheard of. usually how much membership you can only join them after you passed high school, and so at the age of 18 presumably. so it's similar to how they claim that it's my little own. after the blue, his head off, they said he was recruited into how much is mean if you wouldn't get the age of 10 . but if one is gullible enough to phone for is fields and evidence, unsubstantiated propaganda and believe them, although they've been called lying thousands and thousands of times since october 7th, if you take their claims at face value and you presume the standard is to have some

connection to how much or these linux you have, it's not sufficient to establish them as legitimate targets. you need to establish that we are active combatants taking parts and will still it is because the funding is really side. many is really janet mists are themselves reservists in the id f, for instance box of each one of his genes most prominent gen and s t is suspended his reserve duty on the left ear in protest against me from the apple. you have a lot janet. it's, for instance, like nits on ship here with a gentleman in these readers most watched television 10 and 10 and 12 who is actively now a combat them taking part in the war in leap along with the soul. just be fighting as a combatant. so it's not sufficient to just claim that they are affiliated, hum, honestly and gaza is a government, a political party, military group, and a part of civil society. these are on the level of charities. so me, your affiliation is insufficient. but even though they are in the document, it says for instance, if i let say that man is a member of the p,

a g media committee, so no active cool drone whatsoever is that that's for instance, a separate arch has been excommunicated. fired. so it's not sufficient to establish them as you give them a targets. so a lot of discrepancies badge i know you have to have a translated documents on the same page. it same p j has responded to them was, do you read into them? when we say this as a pass and from israel, frankly, it is not the 1st time that israel has accuse journalist i the in advance. so most frequently of the killing them of bang terrace. refilled with homes of the to the so that with a smart elbows. but we've also seen that before. this coverage will in 2023 and may 2023. so if you do produce a report code that the passing in which we identified this continue a pass and by is read of alleging dots done and as a terrorist,

and as we hubs just now, got through all the convenience when they want to stop people from reporting get in . we know that this war has been going on for a. yeah. and we know that these 6 men, they almost have like celebrity like status on houses. there are a bank, they be well known to be is rainy's. why tall get them now? why? because it is urgent. laura, if you do that because but his right there wouldn't be under the 0. there would be only these weighted convenience mainly. is there any propaganda to blame but i, i don't know that there's about extra volt. uh, i have my doubts because i know the way that these are the propaganda throw. the army spoke person is working. maybe they were affiliated, the, maybe not, but didn't get burned irritated as by cutting just they say now think of premier, it just doesn't make any want to target. and it's above board. you can fast these

right, initial letters. i mean, do we a really read all these very shortly started quoting independently before too big really. so the hard jewels, all these serving get very clear, they're up to you and they are hooked. ready all over there. so to so they are serving only one. there didn't go one story, not showing anything from guys that part of their by serving the army and the reserves of the know, but it doesn't mean much they or been biased. i mean that's one of the dock this time. so these are the media these last year, which will be really presentation, which i probably won't do any more. he's ready to be because he became subject broberg on the to. so to come in to say that and just 0, they only give the nation or alter which is present. the grounding browser is the

just you already know nothing about what's going on in garza. and that's essentially what steps is. right, is what it wants domain to be spine, to make this more to make these met screening without any disturbance. and then he come to us and this is impossible in the democratic was ending the modern world. and therefore is there it is trying to cool targets can be which fuse is full targeting and down. so we all know over $150.00 killer jewel know these which binds central the show. these way, by the way to the shop is worth more than you should have, so it just 0. because the straight result is the 0. mama does get in points out the the death toll for job list is so high in garza, it is the most dangerous place in the world to act as a journalist, husband, he's one of the people who have been one of the 6. we've been talked to and had by

is what he has said, that these aren't cues. ations intends to turn them in to quote, killable tall gets to you now fit for these men safety and goza moving perhaps you would already i was shaking as soon as i heard the news yesterday. i couldn't believe that is read would take this very blatant step of silencing. basically the very few remaining gen and this to live in northern gaza at a time where is the is now at a peak moment of mass extermination matthews mix. they split cleansing, masturbation in northern gods in particular in japan and be back in bit tunnel. and they've been there now for over $24.00 days of just non stop the populating gulf that part of gaza. so it's very, very, very frightening spec to can. but as you mentioned earlier, i have friends and guys of ward jen. it is to who's been telling me throughout the war that they are very terrified. very afraid to put on the genet is the best or mark themselves with any distinctive marking that says press or else them as jen.

it is because the fear that this is just gonna put a hip target on your hip. i even have clinics. we're afraid to do their jobs as gently as they just decided to hide throughout the war and not perform any sort of activity so that they don't become targets. this is unheard of, of any of the conflict that you can think about in the last 2 decades. at least if not more, it, it's basically is feel is now launching a target at assessing nation against international law and international humanitarian new, particularly the principal of distinction and proportionality. you'll see this very conscious effort to label everyone in does a lot of as a civilian combat and but even as a terrorist or a human she'd for a terrorist, you don't here is the thing doesn't civilians anymore you machines or and that is a very frightening expect again, it is part of this is really very close, which is probably genocide that they are committing to finish off the guns. a question with absolutely no restraint. but it's very creative can once they start targeting gym and it's, it's mainly about burying evidence because each janet is it's

a gatekeeper to huge amount of information. it's also about an information that a blacked out why the older out the gaza strip, so that no more information comes out. that's why we see is really kind of fueled and, and the supplies to northern doesn't allow at the moment to disability complaints. so that you stop hearing what is going on and they're making life extremely difficult for everybody, including douglas, jody. when you hear about this, when you head that job, unless costing aside that press jackets which is supposed to protect them, but now make them a target. what do you feel because you work for the committee to protect chatting lists, what protections exist in goals for john list today? none whatsoever, and i feel totally and utterly broken. it is, i, i, i have never experience anything like this. i've worked for more than 2 decades as a journalist and i have never experience anything like this. the sight of john and

this morning that colleagues on almost daily basis um the, the, the side of for the anatomy and hospital still denied medical treatment, which again, feels like another way of punishing else is ever preventing further information. getting out of garza, there is no protection. there is no protection as we, we've heard the international rules around who john and this the civilians and should never be targeted. no civilian should be targeted. no civilian should be indiscriminate lee in the way that we are saying in gaza. and one of the challenges that we have is not only that journalists are being swept up in these indiscriminate killings, but that as we have seen in this latest attempt to submit the out, is there a journalist jealous of being set up as a legitimate target?

so being accused of being tyrants, so have a being accused of being used as human shields to excuse and justify that no full killings, war crimes essentially. but the really terrifying thing is you knew that works because as we've heard then people decide that they're not going to report. and we absolutely need that information. do we need those individuals who are going to give the evidence, provide the information, show the photographs or the videos, the what is happening inside caused them with every journalist killed? with that redundant as who decides not to report whether it be done it is injured. would that be done? this displays, we have less and less information coming out of god than all of that. of course is part and positive. a much bigger citizenship regime that we seen from is running, which they've hit minutes of the story. they've had media buildings, media facilities of civilian infrastructure. they've closed out there. they've

closed others. aaron is right on an carmella, they've, they've prevented international journalists getting in to cause of which again, is unprecedented in more, over the past 2 decades, 3 decades. even the most egregious was international, done this have been able to find some way in we have not seen that in this last 12 months and that we've even had the lead us house democrats voicing. and that's, that's a present, joe biden, demanding that he pressure the, is really government from that in, for an journalist to get in. do you think that the, the problem is, and that's, and you all who was paying any attention to those sort of the mom's so obviously notes and it's even though tony's day, but me is that always dedicated to continue their role and any price you can always request the american administration. so you, you were told to the to know are either

a jesus from or kind of 1st thing is society organizations is far away from or based human rights never interested being by the way, the boss initial, they're all for the like, for most of these ladies isn't aunty, send me to, to, to gauge these? are i nothing but these therefore user controlled, unique north and we don't do the ignoring until the words we rank up and moved in. and we, i mean it's, so what's the pick up, get in on something that uh, jody said just a little earlier. she said that as well as trying to justify his actions in providing this so called evidence the alleging that these 6 jen lists are linked to palestinian on groups. i just want to know who is israel trying to justify his actions too, because it shone scans for a golf, international opinion, and even international humanitarian. lo, you know, case there is 0, but you need to use they found those form swear those things up here. why not

destroyed today or not that you're in any one case ability, by all means nope. i mean they couldn't continue to kill, it's very to an x ray, and it won't care about you do clothing my colleagues. and there's one of these will never say the word or that about this mesquite and go to his name garza so i don't see that goes special efforts to justify themselves. but the thing is, i don't put you on a do use the of those homes which show that someone to recruit people that come up and age of 10 or 15. why not the shortest then? somebody's right is we'd be, we'd been selling european in america and maybe we'd really need and by the base they were just before the cubicle or one of the state. georgia is that they queued because they're or telling me is this. we know most of these ladies or the people guys out there is the for the spending, and therefore they can all be target. they own committed the crimes for the 7th of october. and they're called it or is the best model is given the

extraordinarily difficult conditions, the old gallstones are living in and especially gentlest living. and as they try to continue that work as they try to get the message out, what do you think it is that drives these people? all the people who we see out there, our back out is there english fixes. freelance is people who are blog and people who are on social media. anyone who's trying to get the message out. as gideon says, becomes more of a target for the israelis. what drives people to keep doing it? a hi, it's basically the will to live this sort of on dying when to, to survive. it's basically people are, they are going to create plans every day. going like i have friends who have to will kilometers in kilometers for just charge of phone with the solar panels out in the open under air strikes. just hoping that may be a video of the population or something the managed to feeling might move the contents of sleep in conscience of to what there is this sort of persistence to try

to do whatever you can do to make the war stop at it at any point that i don't, and basically i hear from a lot of people at this particular moment. it's very frightening and depressing where people are saying, no, it doesn't matter anymore what i post or right. we're not gonna change, we're not going to sweet. we're not going to win any sympathy. why keep doing it? that's a very frightening moment of disappear. but nonetheless, you have this very energy that is tied to survive. and where people understand that if the cameras stop, if the noise stops on social media, in and dizzy or in other news channels is free and we get away with much, much, much worse than what it is inflicting on guns at the moment. so it is some sort of disparate at defense mechanism to survive, to just want to live, to try to move the sleeping country as of the world. and unfortunately, it's not working. that's a depressing part. tardies right, isn't it? i mean, no matter what pictures come out, so have gone to of the devastation of the horror. of the depth of the stall

invasion of a seed of the hospital flows covered in blood and covered and people who have been injured in bombings, no matter what pictures of being shown. and this is not how much propaganda is israel would like to have us believe these are pictures. this is video that the pictures to lie. what impacts has it had? do you think? because it doesn't seem to have shifted the dial on international opinion. it certainly hasn't shipped, it's the, the governmental political action. although we are beginning to see some movement from some countries not been us unfortunately, but, but from some countries, i just want to get back to something that you us get in about and, and why is why might do that? so i think it's a really, this is a really important question. why it might bother to kind of release this information it's, it's causing positive an attempt to discredit the information coming out. if you say, well this, it, these people are just terrorist. you can, of these get,

you can, you can that create a kind of sense amongst people that the images that they say should not be trusted . that's deliberate. that's absolutely deliberate. to make the international population don't want you to see it's a form of kind of gas light saying, right, that if, if the people taking the pictures, the people producing these reports or terrorists, then what they're producing cannot be credible. and so it's intentional to make of doubt the images that we see. and i think we need to stress over and over again. is that those images coming out of garza from gauze. and john is that god engineers have been producing for over a year, despite the most atrocious conditions. are images that we must take extremely seriously. they are trustworthy images, they are trustworthy videos. these are not made up by a propagandist, they say, as well too is happening in garza and the international kit community needs to wake

up and they need to take action during this a lesson. yahoo! and you have columbus defense mass. so there are they want to buy the i see. see, is what your request out for an arrest warrant full them full will crimes. do you see this adding to that list of all crimes alleged will crimes? well, yes. and one of the things about why during the, let's do what they do is, is a bearing witness here. you hope that by documenting the as far as the so that something will change and that something will move quickly. the important. but the important and the key thing is to buy witness to have the evidence. and we know that in other was the images and the information and the stories documented by john and this has been used to bring justice and guess accountability. so as you know we, we hope them, we pray that these images will, will move something in this world. but we also know that the evidence that has been

gathered will, will be useful for many years to come as, as the, who's been wrongfully killed. seek justice. okay. good in i'm taping. can nearest extra have states has just been in the region. to what extent do you feel the u. s . has turned a blind eye to this targeting of john list. i want to just recall a report from the early days of the war and october a year ago went on c, blinking reports of the aust, the guitar, a prime minister to quote ton down the volume of alger 0 is gauze a coverage. today we had him say, john list must be protected and fall too many lives have been lost. but to was extensive cus enabled, it analyzed the way that the blinking is describing the situation. you're just re quoted team who in the lives of jo, noticed most of web taken known, we stopped blinking during the soonest. which is why these are the army. that's the

way to say their life was still taken by gold or by fates their life was taken by the east red y'all. me that you simple new finance you. um and you use that'd be i'm be so busy book receive really those big total declaration. so blink and again and again, let's improve the many terry and a progress uh let smoke q so many should really splits get a little bit less thrown at least. and then we'd have our piece for my this, we wish this shows the weakness and the focus of the american administration. nothing but these ball. but just the last word to you as long as this will continues. do you believe that, john? this will continue to be at risk. is this? absolutely. as you mentioned earlier, is field is launching a very sort of determined campaign on premised on 2 things. banding, goal international gymnast from excess to gaza? absolutely. banning all of them unless they are willing to be embedded with the

idea of and feeling only what the idea of want them to feeling and, and what they want them to see as part of what is the propaganda. and then the 2nd treatment is basically the legitimizing threatening, intimidating terrorizing, and outright killing existing kidnapping. one thing jenna missed on the mass key right now and gaza. the amount of gentleness that is the less scales is about almost 3 times as many as old gentlemen. that were killed in only 20 years of the american war and vietnam, and in, in the entirety of the 2nd or more it's, it's on the president and in every sense of the word. and as long as there is no sort of pressure on history. and as long as there is no red line being drawn in the sand, very genuinely, not just victoriously because of american elections, as long as that is not based as being with continues to target gender, this lot of stuff. okay. i want to thank all of you very much for coming in today on the program to talk about this very important topic. of course one that's very

close to our hearts here at out is there mohammed show how to dirty cans bug and get in and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out there, a dot com for the discussion to go to a facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside story. it was enjoying the conversation on x, so homeless at a inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team here. bye for now the . the private sizes like this will be we have only 10 minutes to take our belongings and leave the office so they can shut it down for the victory for the government. get this one of those containing refugees coming the actions of israel's government

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