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hello and welcome to the program. i'm several of any a completed the words of israel after it's military carried out and attack against iran. it said the strikes were in response to what it called months of continuous attacks from iran. wildcat run said the damage was limited. israel has stepped up its attacks against the ring and backs groups and 11 on and syria and iran. now the range and leadership is threatening to retaliate, the cycle of violence lead to a broader regional conflict. we'll get to our guests in a moment. first though, this report from alex baird it's another escalation for region on each israel launching what it's called. targeted and precise strikes across it on its attacks of military bases and dismiss all sides to move the capital to front and in the waste and provinces of him. and whose s done to advances to military personnel with kills. but the damage was limited. it is

rarely official. say there a tech was in response to iranian missile strikes earlier this month. the is real, defense forces has fulfilled its mission. even the regime in the wrong word to make the mistake of beginning a new round of escalation, we will be obligated to respond to our messages, clear all those has threatened the state of israel and 6 to drag the region into wider escalation will pay a heavy price that runs foreign ministry, has condemned as reynold's latest strikes, calling them a license, violation of international law. and it says iran has an inherent right to self defense. this is the latest attack and a cycle of violence that has intensified since as well launched its war on gaza in april as well. bummed runs consistent. domestic is killing 13 people. this done to 2 weeks later to run responded by launching hundreds of missiles and drones

at his royal and its 1st to such a direct attack the following month. so a number of these various explanations of how most and his qualities and on october 1st it runs. so i said those cummings, launching nearly $200.00 missiles towards israel. the lead is across them, at least have contained the light just as really strikes. and then now cooling for come at like speed which is 0 for inside story. the that's bringing our guest smell in tel aviv you'll see, belen is a former is really minister of justice. we initiated negotiations for the also piece of chords into ron mohammed, burundi. professor of american studies at the university, if they're hon, you're also a media advisor to be a ring in negotiating team at the international atomic energy agency. and in cambridge, in the u. k. rocks on the farm and from my on a professor of modern middle east politics at the university of cambridge,

a warm welcome to each and all of you. mohammed your intent run. we're gonna start with you as the uranium presidents and perhaps more importantly be a range and supreme leader were being given in the last few hours as we record this in the last few hours. a precise damage assessment of israel's attacks on iran, given that they've been expecting this in some way, shape or form. how do you think they felt about these attacks? how do you think they analyze that? i think they steal that to the damage that was caused as a result of the attack was much less than they had and participated ronnie and miss all defenses were able to bring down a significant number of miss house. and also there are a lot of decoys and dummies use and false intelligence given so that

some of the marseilles mistook those decoys for the real thing. there was damage, of course, but to today we see that the markets across the country and in toronto in particular are very positive. so it would seem that the society of large also believes that the israelis did not do well in this attack. since you mentioned society at large, what's, can you give us sort of a flavor of the color of pork on the streets into her on it, across the country on how people are processing this? well, i can only give anecdotal. so evidence. but in general, perception seems to be that uh uh, this was much less effective than the iranian, uh, retaliatory strike that was carried out. the ghost is rarely resumed

a few weeks ago. then the perception is that uh, for example in tat, ron says that no explosions in the city. many people didn't even wake up. i only woke up because alex is here on our to call me a. so i think that in general, people felt that, uh, this was not a major event. of course there were strides. they were targets, but it didn't. uh it what they didn't have this sort of impact that uh, maybe many people were kind of concerned about. okay. yes. say being in, in tel aviv, how's the attack being perceived in israel? i mean, he is really military of course says it is a success that they hit what they want to hit. we understand that they hit mostly misfire production facilities and some miss i launching system surface to air missiles is what i'm reading. but there's also criticism of the prime minister for not heading iran harder. you know,

the always people who are the quickest size a they, they need the shape of the day. so not a heating gale striking. get how the a i am not one of them. i was not show that today the whole day i d l striking a few run and now was them a relevant a deal and so it was i will tell them so clothing i will kindle golden a but i'm glad that they keep it is not the major a duck and a big boss, the side. so a pending the public opinions on the union side, the due date was not no harm or most on these various side that it was successful and at your rate and day all the plans today retail and the, the reason i am so because the situation which doesn't a quarter for a continuation of the say,

a visual sell good and the enables us or to think about the future. what's the same question that i asked mohammed, what's the word on the street in tell of even just in jerusalem and israel, how are people feeling about the attack? how are they perceiving it and talking about it? or what do i, i don't know much better than you'll says a do subtle day and, and it is, this is a very, quite a day to day a, i don't see people dancing in the districts and know the other one wrong. okay. let's take this to roxanne, farm on from a and how do you analyze the attacks and i will add this. we knew these attacks were coming. that's not a surprise. the big question was, how big were they going to be? what was going to be struck? were any symbolic, really high value targets going to be struck the light force iran's hand and would

they ultimately lead to further escalation or de escalation within that context? how do you analyze those attacks or? well, i think there's general release. i think there is a sense that this was a tit for tat, rather than an escalation. i think there is a great deal of the lead up that went into this there. probably there had been a sense that the retaliation from israel would be greater. um that the plans for that were leaked in the midst of a great deal of american pressure to ensure that the nuclear sites and that the oil sites were not hit in iran. and therefore, i think this comes in the wake of a sense that there's been some collaboration that the is really, is have taken on board the concerns that the us put forward. and that this was largely symbolic. of course, there were a couple of already announced fatalities by the iranian military. probably there

will be a few more, but it is definitely not a large scale attack. so there's no sense that this has escalated the situation. and or in fact hit at iran in ways that iran did not hit originally at israel. so i think there's very much an evening the, the game here, and a sense that both states can step back without feeling as though they're complex, or those that are there allies will consider them to have been week or week delivered about it. it rocks on the ringing farm mystery, publish a statement saying it now has a duty, a right and a duty to defend itself. so what do you expect we are? that means, i guess it's fair to expect iran to do something. but what that something will be, of course we don't know that we don't know, and i'm not so sure we've heard this kind of language before on both sides by the way. and i think that that does not always trigger an immediate military response.

i think it is simply a strong response by a sovereign state saying we have this, right? should we decide to take it to do something and re, uh, you know, because we have had our territory attacked. but i don't think that there is much reason to, unless some of the other parts of this rather diversified war creates a situation where the iranians, again, feel as though they need to move. so in the past, the reason they did send the badge of the 2nd marriage of missiles towards israel was in the wake of a several major assassinations, including the thrall of hezbollah in lab and on. and i think if there's something large that happens again like that, there will be this opening because it has made the statement, but i think at the moment there's little reason to expect that it will make a retaliatory move. okay, but that's, that's kind of the reason i wanted to put in our, yours radar. you said they,

they can sort of claim and i'm paraphrasing here correctly. if i'm, if i'm paraphrasing wrongly, but they, they have, they can kind of keep this claim to having a right to strike is real again and use it if and when they choose to. we've seen around do this before, right? when it's melanie a was assassinated into ron, iran spent 2 months saying we are going to respond. they responded on october 1st so full, 2 months. and then, you know, when they, when, when the ringing leadership saw it as expedient and in their interest, that's when they struck tel aviv mohammad, this duty to defend itself that is announced and claimed by the arranging a government. where do you expect that to go? without a doubt, the run is going to retaliate. the ronnie ends a show of strategic patients for a number of years that's rarely something americans carried out to major cyber attack, go serrano. it was the 1st a cyber attack on the country. and since the antoinette was born,

they assassinated a number of uh, iranian scientists, including a colleague of mine at the university of chat, ron who was murdered in front of his wife. and they carried out other assassinations in syria when the running officers were fighting against viruses and by then other a terror groups. uh, this ran, these would attack them. but after the time on the embassy in damascus, that changed around for the sides of that policy. and decided to retaliate, and after the martyrdom of it's my time of year, the ronnie and the said they will strike again. and after this, try to run will again strikes days where the machine, because we have to remember the ryans are the ones who are retaliating, not as riley's is re, these were the ones who bomb the embassy. and then it was those raves was fascinated. an official guess of the president elect who came to participate in his inaugural so somebody but 2 other things i just real quick because i have to point

out one is that the only reason why is rarely jets returning to is what it was because they came nowhere near the running board of the joint in the regime facilitated the jets to fly over the air space. and they fired missiles from there with the run. these were capable of doing was it. they down over half of those missiles? and because many of the other messages to hit the, as i said earlier, decoys are dummies and to me so targets and some, some hit their targets as well. uh so there's really a air force came nowhere near the ronnie and border you'll see is benjamin netanyahu. these really prime minister still trying to re shake the middle lease because 2 weeks ago officially. that's what he was about. she doesn't then worry about these plans. so i don't know, i know that,

but what do you read into what he's doing? i say that i believe that these a mo plaza, then the somebody will think that he's going to, we shape a, the middle east. i mean, i think that that's the one here we can understand better. what is the situation? okay, right. to right now, how much is much we kill them before? and they, the full me, at least it is good news because how much was the most important case? polio on the police danielle's side of the peace process since many years and, and full me, the main reason why i begin to us, the pros is, was the feeling the come us is becoming stronger and stronger in the police, being in a, in the protesting in a camp and that the you come us is leading a and how much does a lot do i have any kind of peace, which is what it doesn't want to recognize, use right, or whatever. then we'll do. now on the on day is no to in a front

a if he's by law is wico, then before but the degrees and it is acting a. and it is possible for state to vary a flow state, but it is a state. and i hope that we come us, it would be possible to get to this hispanic would be possible to get to an agreement. drew phillips, a south side on what ends up a about the future, which would be which we do is input very much of the un. was it region 17? 0, $1.00 about a about a year i room did not participate directly a against easily a full many years and refilled the proxies. mainly a if he's by law and a mass, but also the who is a to a to add the gain stay is when they think is the 1st time that they find it. the same facing is right. and so it is conform patients which was actually new for both

sides. it is i believe clear that none of us is going to destroy. busy and that even if, if a wrong doesn't want to recognize the existence of these, right. and then once we to be eliminated dollar, which is a member of the u. n. if i don't, if i'm not wrong, then we have to to see whether it is not impossible to think about a, a model of the van d. maybe it is impossible, but i would like to think that there is a possibility that they wouldn't be through it. so it's about the some arrangements that least the arrangements is not going to be based apparently. but the arrangements in which we can work and live in the future, even much a safer situation done before. so i asked her whether not, you know, who is still trying to reshape the middle east, because those are words that he used a couple weeks ago. the, the most obvious re shaping that is taking place in the middle east right now that,

that i can see is in does that it's not in ron, it remains in gaza and it's what's been going on for a year. i mean, northern guys is being emptied the so called humanitarian zone of all the wasi further south. and the strip is being a white. and it does not seem that the attack in iran is going to bring major changes based on what you're all telling me. i think is agreement on that, but the ongoing attacks and gaza those and rocks and i'll put this one to you. those are reshaping the gaza strip as well. and i think it's also important to note that this does a tac last night on a rod was accompanied by quite a significant attack on damascus and different parts of syria. yes, and i think simply a reminder that this is quite a distributed war, a part of which i think has served to take the attention off of gaza. but i think

it is quite clear that both the south of loveland on the west bank and gaza are all undergoing significant change as a result of the degree of attack that is being taken place. and therefore, there is real question whether there might not be quite a bit of change in the border area or even in the settlement area of a, of israel and hounding. yeah. who sees that? and i think it will be quite difficult to find a mode is to bring in other powers to help rebuild because of what's out there being a real possibility that it could be defined by a change in a policy, in jerusalem as to what will happen to that land where you'll see it was only a few days ago that the is really security minister to more vandevere attended a resettle gaza conference. that was the official name of the conference re settled gaza. and it took place symbolically, of course, just

a few kilometers away from the strip based on the as really media reporting that i read. you could hear actually the bombing taking place in gaza from the side of the conference that was just 2 or 3 kilometers away. um, do you see a future where the is really government would allow the ultra nationalists to get their dream and resettle gaza in whole or in part? no, i don't see such a situation even it doesn't. you all said that a no way that they use a with reset the as a street and they think that they bring it in. it doesn't deserve a any reaction. why he's lawyers though he's and he's account looking why? he's a cabinet minister. i agree. i agree or dreadfully, he is a cabinet minister and i hope that the one that they belong and he's not. yeah, but he, i understand what you're saying, but he is right. you know, when you say he's not worthy of a reaction or we shouldn't pay attention to him, i understand that that might be your opinion,

that you'd rather not pay attention to him. but it says no my get i you can have, you can react to him. i usually when he is in, is the tv still do i am i am going out of this to deal. i never agreed to it. bill became more use. he. i mean, he is bad news, but what the hell did, but he's been telling me that's why i ask you about him. being that is crazy. is crazy. and i don't read that to you but your goal, so you'll have your phone right directly. yeah, but it's not because it's sensationalist or makes headlines or it's a juicy story. that's not the reason i ask you about this. the reason i ask you about this is he seems to get his way pretty often, and it seems that netanyahu is trending in the been very slow to which direction more than he's trending in any other direction. as far as i can tell you, book instead of mckinney, i'll be in a situation. when will it will? he is a dependent on these people. this was not a must, but you decided to follow me government. we people, we,

we told she had said in the bus it would never seem to get to. this is the, the for world he's paying the price for wheat and you're right. i mean the, he has a bangs, it has the microphone is smart because the, his microphone and talking nonsense and the, i'm not in the situation to tell you that they have no follow at all or i never react to them. yeah, no i guess the point i'm making isn't saying they're talking nonsense. i think for a journal listing standpoint, it could be a very generous interpretation of what is really going on. um, they are cabinet ministers, these 2 men and they are in a government and they're saying we want to reset whole gaza and what we're seeing on the ground suggest that actually you know what that could happen. why do i say this? because civilians are being forced out of northern gaza. and you know, when you connect the dots, the picture that is formed is more consistent with maybe is real resettling parts of gaza then. then the opposite point. i don't think that it will have the

same day. i, as i said, i have, i hope that these people are we not staying the government phone on because it gives us thing this thing on our state rocks. and it struck me as i was preparing for the show. the benjamin netanyahu has done something that many commentators for the past year. these guys are worth told me, he was trying to do, which was to outlast job. i were now 10 days away from the us presidential election . joe biden will not be the next president, regardless of who wins on november 5th. and so we can already say at this date, the benjamin netanyahu has outlasted job i. it's, it's, it's pretty crazy when we, you think back to where we were in october 2023 as well. i think we need to step back and see how we got here. i think the, the hope that joe biden is certainly putting forward is that his party remains in

power. and that even if it is not him, it is carmella harris. and so far were seeing that she is more or less fond of following the bite and policy towards this area of the world towards this, this more and towards israel, that bite and has. and i think that should she, she, when there is a hope that perhaps that might shift somewhat. and if after, if, after all, she does it, when it is trump that wins, then i think that we have already a pretty good blueprint of how he supports netanyahu. and a number of the claims that israel has made in the past and that this will and in a different way. so i think in that case is more likely that there will actually be quite a bit of changing the borders of them, at least mom and let me bring you back in and, and thank you for your patience. as you look at this from different,

i mean the guys are part of this. um, how, how do you and lives this, where do you think it might be good. so in gaza we have a genocide, we have an ongoing holocaust. we see the northern casa being starved, and people being massacred with the support of the west. so the west here is also destroying it, say, major, across the world. the world sees what's going on and gaza. this is not like the china sides of old to these are being carried out in front of our eyes. and this is going to have an enormous impact on this in the future. because the world has changed and attitudes towards this riley regime has changed. yeah, the martyrdom of yes, yes. and why is the current to we can how much it's going to make it much more popular. and today, when we see that there's riley regime is being defeated on the borders with 11 on has a policy emerging stronger despite the martyrdom of say,

it has suddenly sort of the fact that there's really reason can't make inroads into 11 on half a month. says a lot and these miscalculations are based upon the fact that they don't recognize that this the world has changed, but also the region has changed and the people of 11 on and palestine have changed . so ultimately i think that we are going to see a defeat. nothing. yeah. who will not succeed? he can't expand all he wants, but he's in the past the, there's riley's, when they attack the trip, they went all the way to this was cut out here. they can pick it up on the map called kaiser. in the, in 1982, they invaded lebanon with all the way to be rude in days. here, they're stuck on the border after a month, even though they've murdered. yeah, he has seen water and say it has some natural lots and i think that shows that the world has changed and that the americans and europeans are going to have to face reality. and that's the time we have. so for today,

i want to thank all our guests as for taking part in this discussion. as you'll see, bill in mohammed, randi and rocks on the farm and from my on thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website alpha 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x or handle. there is at asia inside story, from me serve any and the entire team here in the life of the a marion shaheen, a sole maker and i've been working in and around garza for 30 years. as i watched the 20232024 devastation of tanza by the israeli army, i looked back at the place i knew from the optimism of 2005 when these released

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