to north island on such a day with a wintry and much cooler field coming into the south island. now for south east asia, we're going to see the development of some what, whether or not just to close the philippines on friday. but we'll see some big bus of rain for borneo and indonesia on friday. the it's been a year of mixed fortunes for green politicians in the us. gil stein could have a big se in the presidential race. get the greens fed badly and european elections this year. so as the climate crisis lessons on greens, winning or losing influence around the world, this is inside story, the

to hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's. i them now green politics will one's friends, issues promoted by radical voices. you can say on the sidelines, protesting about protecting the environment. but today the wilson in climate crisis means green policies all send to stage. it's seen the one time protest movement, make it to government and 11 europe in countries, and also in new zealand in recent times. and and next week's us presidential election. first is in many states can pick green policy candidates. jill stein, a performance could have a big se on whether it's donald trump pull campbell harris, who makes it to the white house. but what is the real influence of the greens in global politics at a critical time in the climate crisis? can they meet the political challenge from both opposed to policies intended to meet climate change targets? always speaking, to on guess just a few moments after this report from my costume chevy as to us

presidential candidates, or for contrasting views on climate change. republican donald trump has called it a scan when he was preston. people the us out of the pad is climate agreement. democrats coming to have is consist, climate change in existence as trapped as much in american politics, environmental issues a yet not the dividing line in a form for the pose or vice nation. the voters, habits the choice, the green party candidate. some believe the bodies phone climate stones has been overshadowed by another issue. jim stein is on the ballot in almost all states, but have caused in is runs for on costs. a had been heard more loudly perhaps than a close to address the climate emergency. we are the one pro worker, anti war,

anti genocide, climate emergency pro reparations pro, abolishing student debt free public higher education. we're offering what the american people are demanding. meanwhile, in europe, green parties performed poorly in the european union elections in june, wiping out spectacular gains made into previous vote. greens, especially in germany, had strongly supported the sanctions against russia for the ukraine, full impacting fuel prices of cost of living prices and economic uncertainty. and joe, to have had voters hauled, a tough times have made implementing to use clean policies. the so called green dean more difficult and beyond the attack from research and populace than like, think politicians the far right is not interested in doing that. just nation on degree deal. if you look at the last 5 years, they almost voted against all the elements of degree. so i think the center now

really needs to stand together and, and work on the green new york almost vanita dennis green policies of the past 2 years. rejecting polls to limit the use of chemicals in agriculture and other involvement of regulations. some food to see the opposition reflects the wind to political difficulties in implementing cream policy. fins and toys and stuff including this list. it's disappointing, the greens performed so poorly. they're the only party that actually does something sensible, but they're being sabotaged because everyone wants to protect the environment, but never at their own expense. wonderful editions and voters argue exploits. boom . the climate crisis is listening across the board. countries have been rubbish, with floods, trouts, and wall fires with lots of life livelihoods and huge economic drip of cushions. walden clean slept we as a protest movement in highlighting these issues decades ago. they faced new

challenges today operating within the political mainstream, across the world. because some charities, obviously the inside story would have to bring our guests into the show and have joining us from washington, dc. hands know, professor of governments at georgetown university in south devon, england. george mumbo an ofa and environmental activist. and then bush and bull. right. i'm already here back a, she's the vice president of the bundy in green movement and president the of the east africa greens federation. welcome to old if i could start with hands. so the news pag, of course, is we have an election very soon in the united states. let me start hands by asking you, what do the green stand for the in the united states. so the green party is

the attempts to be sort of the reflection of the green party internationally. but it also is just a 3rd party challenge protests type party. because most of the interest that the green party stands for are also incorporated into the democratic party. and so it's really people who are not satisfied with how much the democratic party is paying attention either to those issues or in this election to other issues, particularly the united states handling of the conflict and gaza. so people who want to see a more um pro guys a position out of the united states government, i want the democrats to do more than they already are doing. the republicans are on the other side for sure. and a lot of voters are going to use the green party as a vehicle for expressing that idea. that is a really interesting point. and i'm wondering george in devon. we've got to ask then listening to hans what attracts people to vote for the greens is a belief in the principles and policy agenda. or is it often simply

a protest vote against one or both of the sort of establishment policies? i mean, it can be either, it can be both, we've seen the green. i'm and go over many decades from time to thing really well and i like some, some i'm not for that. well, i didn't quite hard or maybe that happened there any clear? i don't know that the fact that i think i'm insane and you know, i would love to say things every way doing much better than they are. but the way to not simple or even injuring. can you say? well, you know, mean if these little on from the sidelines, they're still on the bike on bed. now the being a time when environment 22 on and i'm given the home and, and they did the but now they said being right in the front of our mind, this is the greatest predicament you meditate by the other day. and yet we ghastly

about the burning up at the news bulletin. write down that to hold the bottom of it, the rental. interesting to anne marie and bush in bora. i guess green's in africa like other people elsewhere all around the world. i must be watching this us selection how they seeing this and all the priorities full greens in africa, in the global south, the same as full greens in the global knowles in places like the us. first of all of brings in all the same we defend the same, i don't see the as a or sorry, presents africa gluten free edition. the whole africa, i'm the vice president and the i'm the most will already presenting of the kind example brings coordination as grants we have the same adult to do so. the

greens us in the festival in africa as a woods. so a good day, a football field, to take to the planets of protecting the human rights we for to me pretty t issue monday brook moment in the front of every still we have a gas to via this we 5 the what if i come to to fact people issue money to should be in the center or all the look meant will have to defend it political wisdom of the management of do the sources. let me take the question back to hands in washington dc. and no matter how strong the coming green ground is, we'll deal stein's major role in this selection. be simply to decide how much

votes pallet the come on, how it's get. so whether she makes it into the white house on, on, depending on how much she eats from support the democrats. is that the way you see it, hans? yeah, i mean, i think that's definitely what it comes down to. i mean, one thing we can be pretty confident about with this election. here's that jill stein is not going to be the next president of the united states. we don't know much else. it's very, very close. and when it's close, any little thing get matter. so it's quite possible that the margin of victory in the handful swing states that end up determining the outcome will be smaller than the number of votes that joe stein gets. we can't be sure where those votes are coming from. maybe those are people who wouldn't devote at all, but probably those are people who would have voted for the democrat because the green interest, those common interest we were just discussing. and they are, you know, reflected in the green party here. but they are also reflected in the democratic party, the way we build coalitions in united states is just different. and so the green interests are very much also represented in the democratic party. and i ronnie cli,

if just on draws a lot of votes away from people who are with my otherwise vote democratic because they want a bolder agenda, she may end up actually helping donald trump when the election. all right, so then not going to make it into power in the us in this election, but george, they did make it into powell, as part of coalition governments in a number of european countries that was a bit of a green surge. i think we can say going on the last few years in europe, but then when you look at june parliamentary elections in the you to local elections in september in germany, you start to wonder all the greens in retreat. now, there's no question about everywhere there's been a backlash. they've been green policy, and the 3 be, well, it may have been driven by the rise of the fall, right? all right, if it dreamland packing it take to green part of face and on board and that they,

you know, operate from the date and often correct that they didn't. all the kids have people planned, right. but we had left the exact about environmental issues or we have 5 things. you know, we don't been in green holidays, climate scientists, but aren't they assigned to write me a lot? because obviously, if you want to get really rich become a problem, it did not say an oil leak that to get, you know, nothing really put narrative around, proven by climate fund, denial often funded by parts of the company. i don't fortunately, lots of people i've been on, but i keep it matter. i'm sorry, i don't have a problem and i think, you know, we're home simply and comfortable with the being a very effective the prep, the from the really important issue. and of course, the most important to do the whole thing into putting on like the pool that they

pick them, whether it is a new way to live in kind it will continue to be habitable in the physical environment to humanity, or whether it becomes a bouncer every now they input the background by comparison to the credit it could be from, i'm center all the time. it constantly put the bike and the re as parts of the north, at least get embroiled in want george's describing. there is false narratives and distractions. i'm wondering do greens in africa, feel the global move is shouldering its responsibilities towards the global south. the typically time because uh, who can say that. and so we, we, we, we face, we, we have fixed it by the but, but this is meant by growth, global knots. and we given the request for depression, for that,

they have to pay what they, they, they, they, they've done much as so the ability to global, not sick to large effect and low to the climate change. so we enough because we and we, we sofa in loads of for the, the but the, but the policies, the but action. so there's name to say i have a session to we do the needs to then they would think about how the they add we caught up on the discuss that'd be to from them hands. how important is what happens in november elections in the us, not only to the greens in the us, but also to the face of greens elsewhere around the world. well, at least in terms of the policies that the greens advocate for it's, it's a, it's

a big impact to really is gonna matter a lot. you know, that actually is, does need to, you know, be, well, needs to be a leader. if this is a policy area that you care a lot about or to put in a different way, whatever the united states does, just has a huge impact on how things play out elsewhere. and so if drug was elected and he either himself or the coalition he puts together, doesn't care about addressing climate change things. it's a hoax and a scam. and you know, there's a mix of people in the definitely republican side. some of them feel strongly about that. some of them don't, but that's the direction that a republican administration would go. or if harris wins, then you would see an administration that, you know, wants to embrace a green new deal and wants to do some of these things. that are advocated for possibly not as much as some green voters, but one, but a lot more. i mean, it's important to know that, you know, because are we organize our coalitions differently in the united states. most of the green interests are in the democratic party and those interests are going to

translate into what kind of leadership united states demonstrates on this issue, in frankly others in the next 4 years. okay, so those, those, the idea of the voters expecting more of the elected leaders on some of those, we can call them green issues. but i'm wondering george have green policies themselves lived up to expectations. wednesdays, participated in government on some of those key issues. we've just had now from marie and bush in boy, and we heard the moments ago in our report from jill stein talking about, you know, confronting was violent, supporting human rights, protecting the environment. i mean, let's face it, the, the greens, the positive, a government in germany. and i looked up a report by t and e in june. that cited germany is one of the 12 you countries which are projected to failing meeting the 2013 environment targets. it's the same german government, which human rights groups like human rights watch a war. and i'll risk and complicity and war crimes by supplying weapons to is

running the current conflict. you know, things like that. does that undermine the success and reputation of, of what green policies stand for? and it's in germany, the green part need to put back in both the perfect and then i thought it hasn't been in the dog and have an a. and if that's the next power nic and you don't get everything you want. so you know the green to keep trying. yeah. do you think people make that decision that's old? do they put some of the blame on the greens to know her voice? i'm government and apartment thing, government get plane cool. the things that they don't control the boat is on necessarily vary depending about who's responsible for walk or why they, they might be in a difficult situation. and i, we often feel important that a people can vote directly against their name, but you know that, that happens again and again and again,

repair that it might happen in the us very slowly. so, you know, yes, i'm bring the, bring the whole way being on the back. but in politics, you know, all that doesn't respond very well to the green again, because a huge amount of product that has been by money and being organized 8th and for the break. but then think that the full of money into politics for the 5th and my pension paper go write them. because if they don't whole money in politics, they will be recognized throughout the existence. so there'd be a lot of times people go, grayson, i'm to dominate public schools, the police in power know and we end up with the word comfortable people exercising the break that they have about the very difficult environment for reading parties anywhere in the world. corporate and in 1st thing,

so we're talking about how the system may save or not save us some policies. i'm going to take this back then to hands in the us. does the system that prefer the 2 main stream policies or prefer to policies hands? is that what makes it even more difficult for people like the goal parties like the greens to make progress as well? is definitely true that our system favors a 2 party system for a whole host of reasons. are we with a single member districts and 1st pass supposed loading it values of being able to come in 1st? which means if you're are, you know, a 3rd or 4th party, then you're not gonna be able to do that. also, our party system is really payable, so that if you want to influence politics, you don't need to farm a 3rd party. you can enter into the existing parties and re shake them, which of course is what's happened with environmental politics in the united states . and one reason why the green movement doesn't seem to be as much attached to the green party in the united states that move in is playing out within the democratic

party. so we say for example, sounds like when, when joe, by the announced the green transition and these green agenda that, that basically is part of a pass in those main stream policies. adopting the green agenda, leaving green policies with little to the to appear relevant to vote as well. i mean, yeah, so little to appear relevant to voters, but i mean, the other way to say it is your, if your, if your interests are being represented in a different way. but it doesn't matter whether or not green parties are winning or democratic party is waiting. if the democratic party is doing what you would like them to do. and you know, there's different, you know, different organ that weighs, of organizing, things have different consequences. we were just discussing about in germany, the difficulty that the green party has building and coordinating with its governing coalition when it joins that same thing in the united states. it says that it's not the green party that is in that governing coalition. it's the green elements, the green interests that are part of the democratic party. and if i care about that

issue, i don't really care whether or not green party, both the politicians get into office. i care about whether or not those policies get implemented. and i think in multiple cases what you see is a struggle um for, for those issues, for the reasons that we've just been discussing. all right, let me take it back to ann marie and bmw bora, as we see green politicians struggle in the us as we see the greens on the retreat taking a step back in the european elections. how does that impact green's around the world and of fixing the global south and africa? as you could you much any enough should cut it was because the you know, uh the network countries the test to move to look at the police at the good 40 says the duluth to cut the i don't know just the look to those additional pretty to call, but please that's kind of give something to was that to have funds. i have it every,

any substance in the country. so, oh, we struggle in the whole countries in africa. we said look to get him to go on to on venice. sure. finish all countries have m p 's have edited beautiful. so we, we do this, i was there because we would love to have in love for the so says to mobilize people in of this us is to consider the semester because there is a lot of corruption. so people are going to vote just because they have quite often, but it's just because they have something. so, oh, we get it looked a program to to interesting police is to get into into power into the big preventative issues. grow them. i can say, george, what does the future hold for the greens? do you think when you look into your green christabel as well?

i think like i'm very much more interested in what home for environmental thomas and it home between pocket and pensioner every month because i want to feed them prospect. and here's the policy that i'm not 100 percent be right about that. and we need to see that part of the main thing resolved as to which coffee is in power . unfortunately, that stuff does not happen, which is why we feel maybe between profit and through, out of a kind of a refund of i've, i've, i've, i've approached to the other part is to say, why aren't you dealing with it now? you know, i am worried that guy might take away group the from hiring and the you ask them to come in on. and i think you know, that a, the real thing of the same time, they're really important that we have people outside the 2 main political pop, his same could be putting my honda on the 15th. and i've been very starting in the

higher campaign, but you know, well, we know that the road didn't pathetic taken back to the prevent climate breakdown. the her that they thought about that i told it is the break. we're going to do that . nobody appearing about of a deposit be logged in to select power and yet from the, the environmental point of view, this is a night. it's been like, i'm going it don't pop a power then. yeah, that would be the end of effective global climate apps. and he's gonna hire up and have a nic and with the aiming to prevent climate breakdown and he will be the lead clinic here by about environment, the room left. right. and then i'm, i'm for, you know, we urgently leave the 50 to the main fame. why don't we hearing much more of it? all right, that's a good point. i i so i'm ready for a moment. nodding your head. i think you do have something to chime in to say about

that. the idea that the most important thing is the green agenda makes it through to the main stream rather than who makes it to power. oh, oh oh people. what if i don't need to be at least pick them clements in negative insect a in, in the end, do we need we need to be told by those or to see we need to 10. so we need to be question. that's a claim insurance. we need to for the police fix the think about that because the, but i'm the really do think green policies in africa say that sort of sentiment, which george was talking about. the main, they know, for example, that the main success is impacting the policies of mainstream policies rather than realistically hoping to take power in africa. we. yes, yes, it was the extent we can. we need to, to,

to main screen the. this files are free and do we need to put into action into put the resources in protecting environment and protect implementing the agreements in the all clubs the the make good agreements, but these don't go to medication what they they, i agree. so we need greens, right? but a political means, but is to implement all the equipment to we need to implement. okay. the 1st, the agreement to need to implement the agreement. we made about that and let me try and bring in the sub coin. final word, if i could, sorry, i'm the re but i think we've just got 30 seconds afternoon. try and give a quick find them with the hands in washington dc. hands, given everything we've discussed, is that a role for the greens beyond simply impacting the mainstream policies. is there a pasta pals, so the greens and is the repost, the pallet beyond simply coalitions?

i mean, i think in the united states, the path to power for green interest runs through the existing party system. it is not going to displace one of the existing parties, short of some radical change in our institutions. and so the past, due to influence and power is to be make this issue, be one of the issues that is very, very central to what it means to be a democrat. i think actually the green interests have done a lot of progress on that front end. there's a lot more to be done and that's certainly the place where you will will see any change, not whether or not you'll sign gets about testing this been a really good show and to thank all of, i guess we managed to get in a lot of different issues, a lot of different dispatches, right around the globe. let's think hands know george mobile and i'm very bad, obligate. and thank you for watching. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website out to 0. don't com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash

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