devastating us a raise on tokyo. each firestone on a densely populated area of wooden and paper houses by sunrise more than a $100000.00 people, but that 70 years later, those who survived seek recognition and compensation for the event that defines their lines only to find themselves still cost aside. witness paper sitting on a chest. it's been a year of mixed fortunes for green politicians in the us, jo stein could have a big say in the presidential race, get the greens fed badly and european elections this year. so as the climate crisis lessons on greens, winning or losing influence around the world, this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a, them now green politics will ones fringe issues promoted by radical voices. you can say on the sidelines protesting about protecting the environment. but today the worsening climate crisis means green policies all send to stage. it's seen the one time protest movement, make it to government and 11. you're paying countries and also in new zealand and recent times. and, and next week's us presidential election. first is in many states can pick green policy candidates. jill stein. high performance could have a big se on whether it's donald trump pull campbell harris, who makes it to the white house. but what is the real influence of the greens in global politics at a critical time in the climate crisis? can they meet the political challenge from both opposed to policies intended to meet climate change targets? always speaking to long guess just

a few moments after this report from my costume chevy as to us presidential candidates or for contrasting views on climate change. republican donald trump has called it a scan when he was preston. people the us out of the pad is climate agreement. democrats coming to have is consist, climate change and existence has tracked as much in american politics, environmental issues a yet not the dividing line in a form for the pose of rice nation. the voters have as the choice, the green party candidate. some believe the bodies phone climate stones has been overshadowed by another issue. jim stein is on the ballot in almost all states that have caused in israel as well on costs. a have been heard more loudly, perhaps than have close to address the climate emergency. we are the one pro worker,

anti war, anti genocide, climate emergency pro reparations pro, abolishing student debt free public higher education. we're offering what the american people are demanding. meanwhile, in europe, green parties performed poorly in the european union elections in june, wiping out spectacular games made in the previous 4 greens, especially in germany. how strongly supposed that sanctions against russia for the ukraine full impacting fuel prices of cost of living prices and economic uncertainty. and joe to have his voters hard, tough times have made implementing to use clean policies. the so called green dean more difficult and beyond the attack from research in populace than like, think parkins the far right is not interested in doing that. just nation on degree deal. if you look at the last 5 years, they almost voted against all the elements of the degree dates. so i think the

center now really needs to them together and, and work on the green neil field. it's almost bonded against green policies of the past 2 years. protecting polls to limit the use of chemicals in agriculture and other environmental regulations. some full to see, the opposition reflects the why the political difficulties in implementing cream policies, fins and toys and stuff, including this list. it's disappointing, the greens performed so poorly. they're the only party that actually does something sensible, but they're being sabotaged because everyone wants to protect the environment, but never at their own expense. while petitions and voters argue exploits, boom, the climate crisis is listening across the board. countries have been rubbish, with floods, floats, and water fires with lots of life livelihoods and huge economic triple cushions. walden clean slept we as a protest movement in highlighting these issues decades ago. they faced new

challenges today operating within the political mainstream, across the world. because some checking on to see the inside story. well that's to bring our guests into the show and have joining us from washington dc. hands know, professor of government at georgetown university in south devon, england. george mumbo an ofa and environmental activist, and then bush and bore. i'm already here a back a she's the vice president of the burgundy in green movement and president of the east africa green federation. welcome to old. if i could start with hands. so the news pag, of course, is we have an election very soon in the united states. let me start hands by asking you what do the green stand for but in the united states. so the green party

is the attempts to be sort of the reflection of the green party um, internationally. but it also is just a 3rd party challenge. protests type party because most of the interest that the green party stands for are also incorporated into the democratic party. and so it's really people who are not satisfied with how much the democratic party is paying attention either to those issues or in this election to other issues, particularly the united states handling of the conflict and gaza. so people who want to see a more um pro guys a position out of the united states government, i want the democrats to do more than they already are doing. the republicans are on the other side for sure. and a lot of voters are going to use the green party as a vehicle for expressing that idea. that is a really interesting point. and i'm wondering george in devon. we've got to ask then listening to hans what attracts people to vote for the greens is a belief in the principles and policy agenda. or is it often simply

a protest vote against one or both of the sort of establishment policies? or they can be either it can be both, we've seen the green. i'm and go over many decades. sometime the thing really well and i like some, some i'm not for that. well, i didn't quite cod attribute that happened there any clear. i don't know that the fact that i've been in so many times it's and you know, i would love to say things every way doing much better than they are. but they don't weight in optical reading in your doctor and you think about, you know, brain if these are one from the probably like they're still on the 5. i'm bad now the being a time when environment 22 on and i'm given the home and then they did the but now they said being right in the front of our mind, this is the greatest predicament you might have to pay. and yet we ghastly

talk about that, but anything up at the news but then write down that to hold the bottom if it direct toll. interesting to i'm the rainbow jim bora, i guess green's in africa like other people elsewhere all around the world. they must be watching this us selection, how they seeing this and all the priorities full greens in africa, in the global south, the same as full greens in the global knowles in places like the us festival of brings in all the same. we defend the same, i don't see the as a also it presents africa gluten free edition. the whole africa, i'm the vice president and the i'm the most will already presenting of the kind example beings clear dimension as grants we have the same advantages. so the

greens of sin, the festival in africa as the woods. so a good day and for both of protecting the limits of protecting the human rights we for, to me, but any t issue monday, brooke meant in the front of every still we had a guess divided this we 5 the what if i come to, to fact people issue money to should be in the central or all the look meant will have to defend ecological wisdom of the management of do the sources. let me take the question back to hands in washington dc, and we know how to, how strong the coming green ground is. we'll deal stein's major role in this selection. be simply to decide how much votes of pallet the kind of how it's

get. so whether she makes it into the white house on, on, depending on how much she eats from support the democrats. is that the way you see it, hans? yeah, i mean, i think that's definitely what it comes down to. i mean, one thing we can be pretty confident about with this election. here's that jill stein is not going to be the next president of the united states. we don't know much else. it's very, very close. i mean, when it's close, any little thing, get matter. so it's quite possible that the margin of victory in the handful swing states that end up determining the outcome will be smaller than the number of votes that joe stein gets. we can't be sure where those votes are coming from. maybe those are people who wouldn't devote it off, but probably those are people who would have voted for the democrat because the green interest, those common interest we were just discussing. and they are, you know, reflected in the green party here. but they are also reflected in the democratic party, the way we build coalitions in the united states is just different. and so the green interests are very much also represented in the democratic party. and i

honestly, if just on draws a lot of votes away from people who are with my otherwise vote democratic because they want a bolder agenda, she may end up actually helping donald trump when the election. all right, so they're not going to make it into power in the us in this election. but george, they did make it into powell, as part of coalition governance and a number of european countries that was a bit of a green surge. i think we can say going on the last few years in europe, but then when you look at june parliamentary elections in the you to local elections in september in germany, you start to wonder of the greens in retreat. now, i know quick and i almost everybody they've been in the back class. they've been green policy and the sleeping well, it may have been driven by the rise of the fall, right. all right,

and the family and packing. they take the green part of things and on board that they, you know, object from the faith and often correct that they didn't all the case of people plan, right. would we had left the black about environmental a fuse or we a bad thing. if you took a pinball been green policy, that climate scientists that aren't, they are trying to rate me a lot. because obviously if you want to get really rich, but on my time i did not think an oil leak that to get, you know, nothing really new paid narrative around. they've been buying climate fund, denial often funded by parts of the company. and unfortunately, a lot that people have put on, but if it matters it, i'm sorry, i don't pay a thought the depressed and happening. you know, we're home simply and comfortable with the being a very effective, the prep, the from the really important the food. and of course, the most important to do the whole thing into putting on like the pool that they

pick them. i'm going to bring in a new way to live in kind of will continue to be at the building of physical environment humanity or whether it becomes a south or every 2. know they in the background by comparison to the creston, it could be from i'm center all the time. it constantly quick. the type and the re as parts of the north at least get embroiled in want george's describing there is false narratives and distractions. i'm wondering to greens in africa, feel the global move is shouldering its responsibilities towards the global south. the typically time, because uh oh can say that. and so we, we, we, we face, we, we have fixed it by the but, but this is meant by quote robots. and we given the request for

depression for, to the, they have to pay what they, they, they, they, they've done much. so the global not affecting large, i think to know to the climate change. so we enough, because we and we, we sofa, it loads up for the, the but the, but the policies, the but i've since the dad's name to say i have a session to we do the needs to then they would think about how the they add we caught up on the discuss that'd be to from them hands. how important is what happens in november elections in the us, not only to the greens in the us, but also to the face of greens elsewhere around the world. well, at least in terms of the policies that the greens advocate for it's, it's a, it's

a big impact to really is gonna matter a lot. you know, that actually is, does need to, you know, be, well, needs to be a leader. if this is a policy area that you care a lot about or to put in a different way, whatever the nice thing is does just has a huge impact on how things play out elsewhere. and so if don't try was elected and he either himself or the coalition he puts together doesn't care about addressing climate change things. it's a hoax and a scam. and you know, there's a mix of people in the public inside. some of them feel strongly about that some of them don't, but that's the direction that a republican administration would go. or if there is winds, then you would see an administration that, you know, wants to embrace um, a brand new deal and wants to do some of these things that are advocated for. possibly not as much as some green voters would. one, but a lot more. i mean, it's important to know that, you know, because are we organize our coalitions differently in the united states. most of the green interests are in the democratic party and those interests are going to

translate into what kind of leadership united states demonstrates on this issue, in frankly others in the next 4 years. okay, so those, those, the idea of the voters expecting more of the elected leaders on some of those, we can call them green issues. but i'm wondering george have green policies themselves lived up to expectations. wednesdays, participated in government on some of those key issues. we've just heard now from marie and bush in boy, and we heard a moment ago in our report from jill stein talking about, you know, confronting with violence, supporting human rights, protecting the environment. i mean, let's face it, the, the greens, the positive, a government in germany. and i looked up a report by t and e in june. that cited germany is one of the 12 you countries, which are projected to failing meeting by 2030 environment targets is the same german government which human rights groups like human rights watch a war. and i'll risk in complicity and war crimes by supplying weapons to is

running the current conflict. you know, things like that. does that undermine the success and reputation of, of what green policies stand for? and it's in germany, the green part need to put back in there cuz they've been granted to it hasn't been and so on and have an a. and if, and that's the next public and you don't get everything you want. so you know the green to keep trying. yeah. do you think people make that decision? let's old. do they put some of the blame on the greens to know her weight? i'm government and apartment thing, government get plane crew to the things that they don't control. the boat is on necessarily vary depending about who's responsible for walk or why they, they might be in a difficult situation. and i, we often feel important that a people can vote directly against fellow named pat internet that happened again

and again and again, repair that it might happen in the us very slowly. so, you know, yes, i'm bring the, bring the whole way being on the back. but in politics you know, politics doesn't respond very well to the green again, because a huge amount of politics has been by money and being organized 8th and for the break. but then think that the fall of money into politics for the 5th and my pension paper go write them. because if they don't whole money in politics, they will be recognized throughout the existence. so there'd be a lot of times and paypal go grayson. i'm to dominate public that called the police in power now. and we end up with the word comfortable people exercising the break that they have about the very difficult environment for bring parties anywhere in the world corporate in 1st thing. so we're talking about how the system

may save or not save us some policies. i'm going to take this back then to hands in the us. does the system that prefer the 2 mainstream policies that will prefer to policies hands? is that what makes it even more difficult for people like the goal parties like the greens to make progress as well, is definitely true that our system favors a 2 party system for a whole host of reasons. are we, with a single member districts and 1st pass the most voting it values of being able to come in 1st. which means if your are, you know, a 3rd or 4th party, then you're not gonna be able to do that. also, our party system is really preferable so that if you want to influence politics, you don't need to farm a 3rd party. you can enter into the existing parties and re shake them, which of course is what's happened with environmental politics in the united states . and one reason why the green movement doesn't seem to be as much attached to the green party in the united states that move in is playing out within the democratic

party. so we say for example, sounds like when, when joe, by the announced the green transition and these green agenda that, that basically is part of a pass and those main stream policies adopting the green agenda, leaving green policies with little just to, to appear relevant to vote as well, i mean, yeah, so little to appear relevant to voters, but i mean, the other way to say it is your, if your, if your interest are being represented in a different way. but it doesn't matter whether or not green parties are winning or democratic party is waiting. if the democratic party is doing what you would like them to do. and you know, there's different, you know, different organ that weighs, of organizing, things have different consequences. we were just discussing about in germany, the difficulty that the green party has building and coordinating with its governing coalition when it joins that. it's the same thing in the united states. it's just that it's not the green party that is in that governing coalition. it's the green elements, the green interests that are part of the democratic party. and if i care about that

issue, i don't really care whether or not green party, both the politicians get into office. i care about whether or not those policies get implemented. and i think in multiple cases what you see is a struggle um for, for those issues, for the reasons that we've just been discussing. all right, let me take it back to ann marie and bmw bora, as we see green politicians struggle in the us as we see the greens on the retreat taking a step back in the european elections. how does that impact greens around the world and of the fix in the global south and africa as you could you much in your enough should cut it was because of, you know, the, know what country is the test to move to look at the police at the good 40 says the duluth to cut the, i don't know just the look to those additional pretty to call, but please that's kind of give something the was that to have funds. it has

a every, any substance in the country. so, oh, we struggle in the whole countries in africa, we said look to get him to go on to on vinny. sure finish. all countries have m p 's have edited people. so we, we do this, i was there because we would love to have enough for the so says to mobilize people . and that's the so says to it, i can say that's enough because there is a lot of corruption. so people are going to vote just because they have what else to be sent to because they have something. so oh, we get it looked a program to, to interest to police is to get into into power into the big preventative issues. grow them. i can say, george, what does the future hold for the greens? do you think when you look into your green christabel as well,

i'd like and very much more interested in what home for environmental promising and it home, but reading pocket didn't mention. i mean, not because i want to feed them prospect and here's the policy that sounds good, completely right about that. and we need to see the product. the main thing resolved is that the with coffee is in power. unfortunately, that stuff does not happen. weight is why we build me between proctors drew out of a kind of a refund of i've, i've, i've, i've approached to the other party to say, why aren't you dealing with it now? you know, i am worried that kind might take away cruise to vote from harris in the you ask them to come in on. and i think you know, that a, the real thing that of the same time, they're really important that we have people outside the 2 main political part. this thing could be putting my honda on the 15th. and i've been very starting in

the higher pain in a while. we know that the role different prophetic taking them to prevent climate breakdown. the her that they thought about that i call it is the break. we're going to do that. nobody it there in about out a deposit beat the lot in this so that when a to and yet from the, the environmental point of view, this is a night. it's been like, i'm going it don't pop a power then. yeah, that would be the end of effective global climate acts and he's gonna hire up. i have a nic and with the aiming to prevent climate breakdown and he will be the lead clinic, pride about environmental rules that right. and then i'm, i'm for, you know, we urgently leave the 50 to the main fame. why don't we hearing much more of it? all right, that's, that's a good point. i, i, so i'm ready for

a moment. nodding your head. i think you do have something to chime in to say about that. the idea that the most important thing is the green agenda makes it through to the main stream, rather than who makes it to power o o, o people or the need to be at least take the clements in negative insect. and in the end, do we need we need to be so to buy those or to see we need to 10. so we need to big question. that's a claim insurance. we need to follow politics. the think about that because, but i'm the reducing green policies in africa say that sort of sentiment, which george was talking about, the main, they know, for example, that the main success is impacting the policies of mainstream policies, rather than realistically hoping to take power in africa. we yes, yes, you sent him said we can we need to, to, to main screen the,

the, this files are free and do we need to put into action and to put in this. so says input tech team environment and protect implementing the agreements in the all clubs the they make good agreements, but they don't go to medication what they they, i agree. so we need greens, right? but the political rooms, but is to implement the agreement to a need to implement, okay, the purchase agreement to need to implement the agreement to and may be right back on that and let me try and bring in the subsequent final word. if i could, sorry, i'm the reboot. well, i think we've just got 30 seconds that's i'm gonna try and give a quick find them with the hands in washington dc. hands, given everything we've discussed, is that a role for the greens beyond simply impacting the mainstream policies. is there a pasta pals for the greens and is there a pasta pallet beyond simply coalitions?

i mean, i think in the united states, the path to power for green interest runs through the existing party system. it is not going to displace one of the existing parties, short of some radical change in our institutions. and so the past, due to influence and power is to be make this issue, be one of the issues that is very, very central to what it means to be a democrat. i think actually the green interests have done a lot of progress on that front and there's a lot more to be done. and that's certainly the place where you will will see any change, not whether or not you'll stein gets about testing this been a really good show into thank all of, i guess we managed to get in a lot of different issues. a lot of different suspects is right around the globe. let's think hands. no, george moby out and i'm very be headed up. okay. and thank you for watching. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website out to 0. don't com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward

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