stokes, at the world's biggest nature conservation conference, or heading into another day. but they're also running into deadlock delegates of struggling to agree and how much money is needed to hold and reverse the planets drop in bio diversity in the past are they have agreed to create a prominent bodies for the indigenous peoples is going to work with the united nations on decisions about nature conservation. indigenous communities are often most effective when animal and plant populations fall out of sandals. i'm here to report some colleagues in columbia this difficult negotiations are expected to continue until the early hours of saturday. here in columbia stared city kindly at the end of 2 weeks of this very important the united nations convention on bio diversity. a number of agreements have been reached throughout these 2 weeks. but the court of the issue, how to file from the many action plans that were the site in a framework and agreed upon 2 years ago by the countries are still being ironed out

. and actually at this point, there are only $400000000.00 that have been a pledge, the us for biodiversity when billions of dollars are needed, between now and 2000 attorneys. so this is a quick, over here. we'll continue to be negotiated in the next few hours. we don't know how long, but a, we're really urge potties coming together. find the solutions. because to deliver a plumbing on the part of montreal ballad, there's global, buy it or it's we work with only 5 years left. the crisis out there, the talk of teaching, we need action, we need action now. but despite these difficulties, there have been a number of important announcements, especially when it comes to the protection of the ocean of the great the marine systems and also regional new approach in the fence of the amazon forest. and on the recognition of the role of indigenous communities in the protection of

the biodiversity. however, what was expected to be an important new body for indigenous communities to participate in the decision making is still in the balance. the agreement has not been rich there. however, the expectation is that by the end of these negotiations, there will be a number of new agreements. and hopefully the ways to unlock new funds to address this critical issues that, that keeps the worst sitting and put the risk of the well being of the entire world . i listened that i'm get the address the colleagues got funds is next. i'm home office and stay with us on august the a full year of war in gaza. and now with this really troops invading lebanon,

are the us in israel working to reshape the entire region. who do americans trust to handle the economy? immigration, and the wars and ukraine and gaza? a quizzical look at us politics. the bottom line is away from one of the most consequential elections in us history. carla harris and donald trump are neck and neck in the polls. some on the left is saying that they woke back harris accusing her of complicity in israel's genocide and guys. so how will progresses vote that conversation is coming up. but 1st, as trump ratchets up his authoritarian and incendiary rhetoric, his critics say he would bring fascism to the white house. so what a truck wind bid, genuine threat to us democracy? alas trump's former acting chief of staff, this was headliner. big moving the mobility thanks so much for joining me on upfront. thank you for having mark. the

election in the united states is just days away and you're backing a former president, donald trump. now, this is a man who has been convicted of 34 accounts of corporate fraud been found liable for sexual abuse. he's talked about deploying the military to deal with the enemy within a term he uses for his domestic political rivals. his riley at madison square garden featured a slo speakers. we use racist rhetoric and called his opponent, vice president, complet harris. the anti christ implied about migrants eating pets in ohio is even called with a termination of the us constitution following his election laws. the last time around, i say you advocate that there is a level of certainty to this stuff. the list goes on and on. have the square, then i have the adjust the 5 voting for a candidate like that. oh mark you make it sounds a one sided? no, thanks for having me. look. you've raised a bunch of different questions. let's deal with a move in a couple of them in turn. look at it,

but let's deal with the personality 1st. there's a lot of folks who don't like them and style, i get it. i worked for them for 4 years. i understand why folks don't like it style . but for people who are more interested in substance over form, which is not your exact question, but we'll get to your question a 2nd. they like is policies they just do? they thought that the country was better off during the 1st term of the trouble ministration. unemployment was low, there was no inflation, we didn't have this current war, ukraine, etc. so for a lot of folks who don't follow it very closely, they're looking at it through their own perspective of their own household and saying, you know what, we were better off under donald trump. so i think he's doing well there. but i think you asked me a larger question, which is, why is a man with that track record still in the game? why is the, you know, a roughly 5050 chance to win the presidency during the election in the upcoming days? and the answer is you can poke a lot of holes and a lot of that for some people that satisfactory for other people, it's clearly not. in fact, for about half the country it is for half the country. it's not you yourself,

said that trump failed as a president on january 6th. you called in and attempted to, you resigned from the administration, then in 2023. you said he was willing at his base because of his co death and destruction stuff and having dinner with white supremacist you of course were referring to that more lago dinner you had with the holocaust in our nick of wednesdays. that i get saying some stuff happens in the past. but again, there's a character question here. and then there's the fact that he's cavorting with white supremacist and it least inciting, if not, being directly responsible for an attempt to pull on the government. that seems to push out a more danger, more harm, more violence, more bad news for the country to my what, what, what was my job as the chief of staff, the, i just press united states. my job was the only person in the building. they got paid to tell him the stuff that he didn't want to hear. i was suppose to be the one to say mister president, this was good today. and this was bad today. by the way. i was really good at that

job and i tried to maintain that after i left the administration. so when he does stuff that i think is stupid, like having dinner with a white supremacist. i have not hesitated at all to call that out. if he does something i think is good. i'll say that goes something. i think it's bad to say a lot of times people on the trunk team will only focus on this stuff. but i said it's nice and people in the harris team only focus on the stuff i say if it's negative, but i try to shoot it down the middle. your character question is a good one. and yes, character is an issue, i think is gonna pick some excellent people. i was worried about that at the beginning. mark back up a year half ago i was worried about who might go work for him. but now in talking to folks who are interested in the cabinet positions, there's some really good names. you might recognize some of the bi pompei, and we'll go back in, i feel like robert o'brien would go back in stephen. the notion is talked about going back in the robber lighthouse, there are traded, represent a go back to your character question for just a 2nd. look, it's important to me. it's one of these. i quit my job on january 6. he didn't live up to my expectations as a boss, my expectations for the boss, because i mean, that can sound like, oh, i mean it's like

a boss is what i mean an attempt to hold those beyond not meet my expectations as a boss. no, no, stop, no, no, it's not that the now you know, you're putting words in my mouth. i never said i quit because we attempted to, i quit because he failed to live up to my expectations as the president and he was my boss on that particular day. and as you know, sometimes when we are the person who is expectation, my expectation was that he respond much quicker. they did not take my phone calls during the day. i was trying to encourage him to go on television to tell people to go home. i felt like you have the ability to send those people home and i think that he acted too slowly. this is something that's, that's unique to me as an employee. if you do is, if your boss does something of work that you don't like, you could either be quiet and have people assume that you was sent in and agree with what that person is doing. or you can try to change things and failing those 2 things you can quit, which is what i did make if, if, if that will trump, uh, lose is. uh, and there is another attempted cool to use your language. but do you have any reason to believe, do i have any, should i have any reason to believe that donald trump will act any more responsibly

or do anything to prevent it from happening? yeah, it's, you know, it's, i, i, i get asked a lot about what, what, what, what the days after the election will hold. and i will admit to the same lack of visibility mark that i had in 2000. and and 20 of you had asked me in 2020, if there would be an arm to uprising to try and prevent the certification of the election. the president said, no, it's not possible this country. and certainly the find out what is called democrats and rapists. he has said that migrants have quote, bad genes. he called vice president complet harris lazy as hell. even question. her identity as a black woman back in july saying, i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black. are you okay with a presidential candidate that uses that sort of rhetoric? am i ok with it when i use it? no, i wasn't. i was elected office for me. i don't know, 10 or 12 years. i would have been killed if i use language like that and rightly so . donald trump has managed to get away with stuff in terms of his style that would

would ends the career of any other politician. that being said, look, the donald trump is not the only person in this country who talks like this. there's a reason he's doing better with a lower educated white man is reading the doing better with manufacturing workers. is this reason is doing better with a blue collar folks in this country because he talks a lot like they do sometimes. are you telling me that donald trump is the only person who's ever went to it? like that would you would you're inputting the wrong question. you're saying what, what happened? you're saying other people wouldn't do the same thing. other people wouldn't use that language. other people have use that language, i'm addressing the should question, shouldn't we be on that thing somebody else who's the so we shouldn't be liking donald trump? no, it shouldn't. should someone be using that not? why answered the god, we agree with. no one should use it, but what you're saying is he's not the only person says rates of stuff. he's the only one running for president to come to come back to the, to the, to the issue. right. which is okay. you've got a guy who says a come all harris. i didn't know she was black. okay. i thought you by the way,

i think it's come. it was, i thought she was asian because she used to run as the 1st asian center, whatever the deal was. i can't remember the exact context is that disqualify is, does that mean? okay, you know what? i don't like that so much that i'm going to vote for the other person who wants to raise my taxes and over my borders and all the things that were afraid the democrats are going to do. but i get the fact that he's a florid candidate. most people don't know about why the, you know, somebody was black, but how about the bad genes for migrants and the immigrants being raped with those types of things, sir, i have never liked that language. i've been like a part would. you call it? i just ask you, what is the coming of? i don't think it, listen. if i thought them it was racist i would work for him. i've worked with met with men and women of the minority community who would door working for donald trump. we are more than a year into israel's genocide and guides a during this time we've seen some of the biggest student protests on college campuses in decades. this will be at the top of the agenda for whoever becomes president trump has made one of his $24.00 campaign promises to the port, quote pro, a mass,

radicals and make college campuses quote patriotic again. what does that even mean? what it means to make college campuses patriotic. i disagree with be, by the way, just for the sake of the discussion, disagree with your, your, uh, your description of what's happening as a genocide. we can talk about that as probably a longer conversation for another david is a word you used, i don't use the word. i don't agree with that. i think that a lot of people are upset with what's happening on college campuses. the anti american attitude that's taking place on college campuses now. and i think he's tapped into something that, by the way, he's not the only one. my guess is the majority of americans don't like to see. it may be a narrow majority, but i think the majority of americans would probably side with israel on this as a defensive reaction to what happened on october 7th. it's a vis of issue that the cuts america nearly down the middle between being pro palestinian pros. really i get that for the sake of this discussion of but i don't think donald trump is outlined saying look, i think that we shouldn't be allowed to have free speech on an on college campuses, but we shouldn't have anti semitism. you've seen some of the same videos i have of

the way to do some jewish, stupid. i've been treated on american college campuses. and if i want us, that's not what donald trump we don't have. and guess what i'm saying? i'll quote a quote for you. what donald trump says, right, he says, he says no, but what i'm saying is you're misrepresenting what he said. he's not saying just get rid of anti semitism. we all agree, get rid of anti semitism, hasn't when someone with radical politics to be on campus, if you don't get rid of them too. but let me ask you about something else that was also said doing his presidential debate with joe biden last july. that the united states should let is real go and uh, quote, finish the job. what do you mean by that? i have no idea. i'm not asking my, my, my guess is it probably do whatever they think is necessary to ensure their, their safety. i don't find that particularly offensive i've, i've, i've surprised anybody else does. if you really believe that you weren't an extra special threat, did you believe as a nation, as a family, as a, as a business, whatever that there was a, an extra essential threat that someone wanted to kill you? what would the limitation be and what we would do to prevent that from happening? international law. oh, well no, no, no, no, no, no i,

i really wish that you were no, no, no mark i have i haven't interrupt you all day. you're questioning israel's right to exist, and that's wrong. what do you mean? you're saying that if, if someone really wants to exterminate israel, that could be international law that would allow them to do that. and i absolutely, but that's, that's and that's why it was representation of what i said. your question to me was if someone poses a threat to you, what would be the limitations of what you would do? and i would say the next step, and that's just the and my argument, the more my response rather was international law. meaning that i would have a right to defend myself, but within the bounds of the law i. e, i can't indiscriminately kill civilians. i can't use disproportionate force, i can't bomb hospitals. those are the, just as examples. those are things that know that engineers law prevent us from doing even in the defense of ones. so, and now you somehow turned that in the mean thing is the right to just have the right i do, i have the right to bomb hospitals if it's being used as a military facility under international law. i do, in fact the people using

a hospital as a military facility, as a shield or committee violations of international law themselves. the evidence shows that that's not the case. but beyond that, i guess the point here is the rest of the world much isn't worth calling for a ceasefire. they're calling for peace. and donald trump, this thing is we're going there and finish the job, isn't in the context of talking about the death of tens of thousands now over $40000.00 officially and probably many more people dead and die, but most of whom are not members opposite of him. as most of whom are not caring weapons. mark, i don't, i know this is you asking me questions. let me ask you a question. do you think you'd be different or harrison ministration? no dental, guys, what do i think that would make that incredibly terrible set of decisions biden is leading this administration and harris has read. i'm not going to do much difference. but with just enough harris's bed that we've talked about that on this very shows, just because the hair is, is bad, doesn't mean something, gets a pass, it's something has to be subjected to the same scrutiny. i,

i think that's probably fair enough to do with the other work you've done to the station regarding the harris felt about policies. but i guess my point is this, is that both parties in this country seem to be pretty much on the same place in defending what is real is doing well by any. thank you so much for joining us on upfront. i got the chat again. thanks very much with the election of the united states around the corner. many borders on the left are grappling with a familiar debate, both strategically or vote with their conscience even if it risk splitting the progressive vote as washington continues to arm israel, a minute's genocide in gaza. an assault on 11 on may say they won't vote for us, vice president cumberland harris, and call to vote for a 3rd party other se risking a 2nd. trump presidency could cause irreparable harm domestically and would do nothing to reign in israel's genocidal campaign. so which way were progressive vote in the selection and couldn't determine the outcome of the race? joining me to discuss this is brianna, joy, gray, political commentator,

host of the bad faith podcast and former national press secretary for the bernie sanders, 2020 presidential campaign. and danielle moody host of the danielle moody show on youtube, also co host of the new avenue. busy co pod cast, so good to see both of you. thanks. grab yeah. brand, we'll start with you. sure you've been in favor of supporting 3rd party is is a way of challenging the 2 party system. and you believe if i'm understanding correctly, that progresses to just the band and the democratic party? yeah, i think that this election, that particular has really revealed why that's necessary. often times progresses are told that the reason why the democratic party might not embrace that particular policy priority is because it's simply not popular. and if there's a trade off between democrats, winning elections and getting the bose that are necessary to win elections in pursuing some progressive priority, which is framed by the democrats as to esoteric to actually when, if it's on the ballot, i think that's off and not the case,

but with perspective gaza polls are really, really clear about comma harris would benefit enormously from supporting arms. and margot, against israel, particularly in the states that you've really needs to when i'm talking 30 plus percent of voters in storage are saying that they would be more likely to vote for commer harris if she were to support in arms and cargo versus single digit numbers . would say they'd be less likely to vote for her. so i think the question you will have to ask themselves is why is the democratic party more invested in sending arms to israel? as it commits a plausible genocide, then they are in winning an election to defeat fascism. if the sticks are really about high wired, they prefer and to prioritize the agenda of another country. that's breaking international law over the will of her own electorate that they know you have a different take on this. you are supporting vice president harris has run for office, but you support democrats and some time despite having certain i would say significant disagreements with the party. why is voting democrat, a better option?

in light of that, we're facing an ex essential threat right now. and donald trump and the model republican party, there, there is to me, there is no alternative place that would be viable to put my vote other than with the democratic party right now. there is no better way currently to help the people of gauze, as well as to help the people in this country without voting for vice president tomlin harris. i mean, what donald trump and the model republicans have laid out just in project 2025 for black people, for people of color for women's, for queer people in this country is like nothing that we've ever seen in america. and they are ready on day one. so i can't think to myself, well, let me consider either withholding my vote or voting for a 3rd party that would almost certainly confirmed donald trump into a 2nd term that by the way, he may never leave. right? because he has said that, that he wants to be a dictator on day one that he will protect and just recently all protect women,

whether they want it or not. right? so they are laying out for us what their plans look like. and if we decide to divide our boat, then to me that is a vote for donald trump. and i can't just sit by and watch our democracy fall completely into the hands of donald trump in the model. republicans, because i have and i believe in the disagreements and i understand where they are coming from. but the stakes are just too high to write it on a 3rd party right now that we know it's not viable anyways. and i would argue that every 4 years we're told we have the most important election of our lifetime. the most central threat we've ever had our democracy is precisely because we don't get a counter balance from the democratic party in the form of any accountability for the democratic party. this is we're lesser of 2 evils. i'm brings you, this is, we're both blue no matter who i will vote for democrats no matter what, because they're better than the republicans bring you. at what point are the democrats ever going to be pushed to the left or frankly,

the majority of the electorate is on issues like a living wage, medicare for all. i'm not having this a military that constantly funds interventions all over the world, including obviously and gaza. if you vote for them no matter what they do, no matter how often they campaign with dick cheney and bro progressive interface under the bus. at what point are we gonna stop letting democrats convince us that they have to literally become republicans on order to beat republican federal worst and the republicans before and what part are we going to invest in building a new party system that actually is accountable to the will of the people. so there's a interesting take from many people on the left, including political activist angela davis, who obviously has been a longstanding opponent and critic of these really occupation and found genocide who argue that this is not about an individual of articulation about virtues or i. values are principles per say, it's a strategy, it's always

a tactic. it's always a strategy. and she's saying this is about choosing your opponent. you know, you'd rather choose your opponent. you rather pick the person who you can have the most space to operate with. when you say that, well, for one, i would resist the framing that it's just a symbolic boat. i think that voting green is a strategic boat for one. if you run it deeply, blue or deeply red, state voting for one of the 2 corporate parties is quite literally throwing your boat away. instead voting for 3rd party like the green party enables them to get to 5 percent of the boat. it enables them to have access to federal funds, enables them to run more candidates and have a more serious campaign if they could just get 5 percent of the vote in, in various states. second of all, to the core of your point, i think that the nature of the gravity of the genocide and the response that we're seeing from the democratic party speaks volumes. people are arguing, particularly to muslim an air of americans across the country who are so disgusted by the enormous death toll and humanitarian crisis that we've seen over the past

year. but trump is going to be worse in the face of a democratic party by his senior, literally, principally under written all of the horrors that we've seen coming out of gaza. it is really rich to try to appear longer about fascism coming from the other side of the aisle when joe biden and conway harris as administration is administration responsible for funding this genocide. and without which this genocide could not have taken place. so something to that point, i mean guys it is, is a tough argument. me to hang your head on if you're a democrat, but that seems to be with many supporters of criminal harris and certainly argued right. if you think guys is bad, now me wait until you know, trump gets back in here. what. what do you make of that? here is the reality. we know that donald trump, his son in law jerry questionnaire, want to bulldoze. what is left of garza? we know that jared cushion are,

sees gaza as nothing more than beach front property that he would like to capitalize on to do i agree with what the harris inviting team have done over the last the year. plus, i absolutely do not think that it is atrocious. and i wish that they would stop sending funds to israel. i wish that they would have an actively workforce, east bar. i wish that netanyahu hadn't been playing 3 dimensional chess, while apparently they were playing checkers like. i wish that that had not been the case. the reality here though is that we are between a rock and a very, very hard place, and i can't again, i can't say that finding a now in this moment when america we have already lost robi wade, we have already lost the formative action. we've already lost voting rights. we're seeing gerrymandering beyond things that we have ever seen before. we have the supreme court been just said to virginia, go ahead with the 1600 votes, keep throwing them in the trash and that's totally ok. i cannot see. not putting of

putting a vote that could absolutely put donald trump over the top or staying home on just one issue isn't just about one issue. it is about a multitude of issues that are affecting every aspect of our, of the interesting aspect that i'd love to pick up on that democrats make choices. and if you want to cynically read into it, there's an argument that says they loved to be able to dangle a can a carrots, beset specifically in the room in the, in the framework of the supreme court. in order to induce people to go to the polls, even though they're desperately unhappy or financially and ms. read it and things get worse for them every year. and this is an important point park that i really want to get across if, if we had started mobilizing back in 2004 and alternative party instead of demonizing, someone like ralph nader whose fault it wasn't that the election was lost stolen by the way. mm. hm, and then maybe we wouldn't be in a place now or we feel like we're between those rock and a hard place. maybe we would have

a genuine robust 3rd party option to invest in. but they haven't done that. that's as we need to start doing it now. and the reason is because these 2 separate parties will never deliver. the democratic party is one when of this to in corporate bird. and it's, it's job is to create the veneer that someone in office was working for you, but the system is actually working. and if you just keep voting and get enough progresses into office, magically something's going to happen. but guess what? nancy pelosi was once a, a see the party change of you. you don't change the party in the were really important structural financial reasons why that's the case. they know, is it, and i'll give you less work on on this if i think you would agree that at some point with the break, the 2 party system, yes. and i think you would agree that the republican candidate keeps getting worse . uh huh. so then if the camera keeps getting worse, but the system needs to get broken, when do we do it? us? and i think that and unfortunately this is the, this is the place that we find ourselves one. i don't think that we have

a 2 party system right now. i think that the republican party has abdicated their responsibility to the constitution and to the united states. 9 years ago when they elected donald trump. and i can tell you that like, as a, as a, as a queer black woman in a, in a, in america like, i can't imagine, not having had a supreme court not having had, you know, passed marriage equality not having been identified as like as full human being inside of this country and so when we look at the way that things have devolved so quickly over 9 years. yes. at some point do i think that we need a multi party system? absolutely. but have things gotten to such an ex essential place that now do i think now is the time for that? i really don't because i would like to never other donald trump's name. again. i would like mother to go the way into the wind. well, that has to be the last word i want thing body to being here. we have to do a great danielle moody. thanks. john. got upfront everybody. that is our show

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