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hello there and welcome to the program. i'm more a kyle. united states says 10000 north korean soldiers and now on russian soil preparing to enter the war against ukraine most to in russia's cost region while ukraine north account to invasion, almost 3 months ago. fighting that has been intense in some unless say, the addition of north korean troops could change the dynamics of the conflict of the crime and struggles to in this new recruits. feeling young has placed unwavering support for most game, those bottom f. hooton's rates for north tran, troops reveal and military stretched a breaking point. what was this? a sign of russian strength as it builds new alliance as well? those deeper into these issues with all gas shortly. but fast. this report from excell donovan, which we don't use thousands of soldiers from one of the world's most isolated nations heading to the battlefield for the 1st time. we know, assess that there are some $10000.00 north korean soldiers in total in russia. and

the recent information indicates that as many as 8000 of those north reinforces have been deployed to the cursed region. we've not yet seen these troops deployed and to combat against ukraine and forces. but we would expect that to happen in the coming days. the crowd work was late the september last year when it came home to and made the rear for a trip to meet vladimir, put in and rushed as far east for russia facing heavy casualties. in a recruitment challenges the soldiers help feel a crucial gap without risking another unpopular domestic mobilization, which is pretty they have to solid foods in his checking the reaction of the waste foods in this checking the reaction of nato countries. susan is also checking the reaction of south korea, and i believe that after all of these reactions, susan will decide and increase the contingent of pushing for north korea. the benefits are several. it's military hasn't seen major combat since the korean war

armistice in 1953. the war and ukraine provides a rare opportunity to gain battlefield experience with modern weapons and tactics. there's also money involved. it's estimated that each north korean soldier pool or in around $2000.00 a month. but most of the salary will go straight to the leadership and beyond gang, combined with weapons sales worth an estimated $5500000000.00. this deployment is a financial lifeline for the heavily sanction nation bianca and also helps russia bill share military technology, including nuclear and a missile expertise union in conjunction with you. and we have no doubts under the wise leadership of the esteemed president of the russian federation. vladimir putin, the russian army, and people such in the achieve a great victory in the sacred struggle to protect the sultan, rights and security interests of the state. and we once again assured that until the day of victory, we will always find the style next to our russian come rates. as washington says,

the deployment violates you and security council resolutions. as north korea has been under sanctions since 2006, all rates of nuclear programs and it's built but moscow is defiance, which is about they do motion for those vehicles. i want to put one question to you . even if every thing that's being said about cooperation between russia and north korea by our western colleagues is true. why is it for the united states and its allies are trying to impose on everyone the flawed logic that they have the right to help? the zalinski regime mobilize for military and intelligence of nato and russian allies have no right to do a similar thing. you will do us says any north korean troops entering combat and ukraine and will become legitimate the military targets. and now south korea is considering direct the military a to crane, further straining relations on the korean peninsula. axels, i merge alger 0 for inside story. the, well,

that's welcome. ok. now in the single pool graham on web, i don't follow at as much about them. school of international studies. it must go problem focused, how much list and political commentator and integrated craig mach electra at jose university. and also of all the restoration contemporary japanese politics and reformation of a welcome again to all of you. now pabo, we've heard from the us and they to, i'm the you, the newest korean troops, all in russia. we've not yet had confirmation from either rochelle or north korea all day. the of o officially use leave their opinion on their moscow are confirming but they're not free with the 9. ringback and they just put them the reason to just happen, the buying the north tray and prime minister to moscow. she was talking about standing with the russian military supporting the russian army fully to victory.

and that rhetoric well could indicate that to the entry, the north koreans for soldiers into the fire, it seems rather email that i would say, okay, how do you think this has been to what and the district if we could just talk some best people from name and because of good north korean troops sort of being trained and very different ways and they have a very different language. so how is this going to work on the battlefield? it was basically the luxury of the training is so yes, so that will help a bit better. my very weaponry that they use as a surprise to grow. so the adult there, there are also some problems. there are reports that the north koreans are being there with. ready from the far east or to europe and russia and handed out to weapons when they arrive and the means. yes. so her role. so again,

go wash. think of a so dr. elizabeth, there are different solar to much more modernized, different ballistics, different caliber and they are not trained to use uh, uh, drones that are right. they're used to massively, by both sides in the degree of war. of course, they don't speak russian at all. and the man that means that there's going to be a language barrier there. so yes, there's going to be lots of problems of trying to integrate them directly into the fight since north korea and russian mo, trace of not had the maneuvers together, didn't train for many, many decades since the korean war to be co op or a boat on the battlefield, so they'll have to lay a word in it as they go, eh, hi, given all these different says on the relatively small of them. but if you're looking at it in terms of the number of options, soldiers on the bottle failed. no difference of these nose quin troops likely to

make to the war? well, i think it all make a marginal difference in millage features a box in terms of symbolic importance. they obviously have a great appeal for vladimir prudence, given that the russians have suffered grievous losses. uh estimated of 800000 did half a 1000000 wounded and much probably high up even 10000 down north street. and troops can make a bit of a marginal difference, particularly if the guy to be employed on the coast cross has a report suggest. but essentially, a glad to be put in a piece to be making a statement through this deployment that some russia is uh, taking advantage of its uh, a lights with your career, which it has been steadily building up of the past couple of years of close this

been reports which but the russian, north korea initially denied that. and north korea has been supplying munitions to russia and previously possibly some advisors on the use of the technology such as me, solves and rockets box. this is such a dramatic historic intervention with the cause. this being the 1st time north korean troops have been deployed in combat and overseas seems to create a more it's obviously much more of a diplomatic stipends. the then i'm the one i think according to what extent do you agree with that the best deployment on the bottle failed at least, will only make a much no difference. well, thank you for having me on the show. i respect creates comment, i think. and in the on so this looks quite symbolic. it's a diplomatic gesture,

a commitment to an agreement that was made as beat as june and thumbs up the signing of a mutual defense. pat. oh, usual defense clause at features within a strategic comprehensive partnership between russia in north korea. but i think we need to watch a situation a little bit more closely. i think we get down into the prospect. so what's going to happen in the cost region? i think the picture looks slightly different, so i think right now it is true that these $10000.00 all sort films assignments are using and adapting themselves to the conditions, the weather conditions and it's a reading and the way in which direction. but if you operate, at least within the cost region, which they will be committed to. but i think we need to want to put an in swing weeks and months. that's how these 10000 troops before. what are the rules going to be exactly what's available on one open media, right? no media reports yet appear to be playing a support me to be expected to, well,

you know, logistical rule. the support rule will contribute to publications and to the supply tree and, and whatnot. with a small portion of this $10000.00 troops, presumably, but the lead soldiers from the storm full. but i think as, as we go along, these troops can be expected to become more optimal as the level of the job, and will be expected to fill other rules as rocking troops fees, challenges on the ground. so i think we need to watch it. the other thing i'd like to add is that it's not a static situation. we because of the full for to the possibility that north korea, i mean get more troops, all the title to and pebble. i mean, we get to the question, that is why north korea would do this. why would it deploy its troops? as craig says, this is historic. it's not a deployed troops and come back from many, many years. what would also be giving in return

a little russia has to be given money to begin with and actually uh, the properties you became earlier than, i mean were sending troop is dramatic. but the doctor is providing a motor for the russian 50 guns. the person houses on the south to reinstate is up to 10000000 rounds, which is a lot. and that is what really strategically important them for the russian military because they present credit, present fighting into your brain consumes norma somehow. so a heavy house or shells for north korea, it's a newer i. so it is for many, many years, especially after the end of the cold war, they were almost done for isolation. and now they, they tried to boot under the president, donald trump, a better relationship. ready with america that didn't work out, and now they have a nuclear super power as their sort of ally, and that's for them very,

very important. and it also has one could be a supply of money also from the troops, most of their salary, which is mastery in terms of the, my very high russian soldiers that pay the minimum of about a 2000 dollars a month. and then the for the premium war, and that's a lot for north korea. and of course hold them back to that one is going to go direct to the coffers and can young a. so the has a lot to wind. there also are most likely you're to get the rest of the technologies. you'll have to see russian weapons. so you are you fighters because of the one they have are very old, some other in the russian new weaponry. and that's for them would be very important . politically, technically, and they are, frankly, may have actually initiated, more descending of these troops. the mosque. ready that, you know, craig, obviously asia east asia especially is watching the situation very closely.

probably with some alarm to see north korea's involvement so closely tied with russia in the ukraine. if we focus on the korean peninsula, it's been 70 years since the korean war ended in a truce. but salma sang, the north korea and south korea and now engaging in a proxy war in europe. would you agree with that? i'm to i lose that extends, it depends to my mind is to be saying how south korea especially relax um is, uh south korea uh carries out large scale supplies of the weapons and munitions to you, cried. then that would certainly make the case that there is a bit of a proxy indirect war happening because it hasn't he and no i have not yet, but that is that done the bridge. why that would happen?

um, in the past year, especially since uh, the unit administration relations have been steadily to tear writing between north and south korea. and just recently, uh, a couple weeks ago and the north koreans around a spectacularly destroyed blew up the road and right weeks just over the border between north and south korea, a re, uh, uh, industrial area where in the past the been uh, negotiations to create across the board of trade, so uh, in fossil side is being uh, the cycle. the delivery was, uh, you know, i'm sending some williams basically to garbage over to the south. and the south korea was originally sending dryer and supposed to balance to north. so this diplomatic deterioration between north and south korea is also i potentially

escalating through this proxy if it's in ukraine. oh, graham taurus, and do you agree with that? let me know if chris saying now that he does not want to seek reconciliation with the south is craig said it's tested, it's fast, intercontinental ballistic missile this year. it's rhetoric is the heightening saying that it's an explosive situation on the peninsula. is it seeking conflict at this time? it's an old career seeking conflict with the solve you're asking? yes. well, well i, it's, it's hard to save. it is explicitly so, but i think it is clearly being very, but address the recent posturing or does it in, by north korea to sending troops into russia to assist the russian side is clearly not constructive. i mean, the solve 3 in the government is up in arms clearly and be watching the new cycle closely. the national intelligence service, which at the intelligence agency under the salt to the government, is providing

a lot of ongoing reports and statements or concerns about what this can mean in north south relation. so clearly it's not, it's not, it's not a constructive development. it is, in fact the destructive development and it remains to be seen how software is going through yet. it's interesting that was a study that was conducted of those, published by the center for strategic and international studies that us based thing tech about how south korea indications that south korea me seek to move away from. it's not legal aid policy under the unit ministration to, to more to something a little bit more. and so there is this um, the discussion of all of supplying the premium ministry with more often every i'm in ish admission to which the solve korean with looks like it has an apple supply pocketbook cloth, amunition, uh, the $105.00 millimeter artillery shells to which it does not need so much anymore,

and presumably this supply will be useful to the ukraine into the treaty. so are you supposed to be watching this, the bottom of the sea? oh, wow. south korea is going to do next. i got the country of coast to be keeping a close eye on the middle. this is china, capital china as being growing closer to russia since it stops and it's war in ukraine. it's never old. it's also never sent weapons to most go. but what it support this north korea troops transfer right now john is saying that this is a problem, but we must have been young and that it's their summer and bright to do what they ever want of use on the though there be an indication the child is not very happy because if this was a additional pension in the korean peninsula of, that's not what china actually once they're just happened, they want stability,

they're, china will not be germany. and then this set for the 1st because trays review are from the united states as mary, very strategically important for gender. they won't do anything. ready that we decide shows a secondary sanctions on on them, but they won't those so either they won't condemn it too. so china is going to keep trying to keep a low profile and hope that this doesn't bring any kind of serious escalation just from the left turn. it really doesn't change the strategic out the way on the front lines in your brain. so it's politically the symbolic se, but it's if it doesn't really infringe on chinese insurance, jazz interest is mostly stability in the dream peninsula. child is going to try and therefore have her hands off of the kids. i believe in grand. do you agree with

that? because china real estate has kim cohen's even though with chris one of his main allies, it also has a certain degree of influence. i have a china and it's enjoying that position in the region. but to what extent does this new alumni is a stronger alliance between russia and north chris threats and china is influence to the degree. i concur with the populace assessment. um, you know that uh thoughtful for some time trying to had um, well not quite a monopoly of its influence over north korea, but the dominant into until the north korea and even even the americans have tons of time. no, no, and then to sort of get the north koreans to come down on wretched things down when things got cheap, cheap at all. but now china has to compete with russia. been having influence volvo, of what north korea can, will do. and this creates a problem for china, particularly at a time when north korea is attracting too much attention. on ne agent, security of this to north korea's recent overtures, it's seem a rattling,

it's icbm test and what advice to come down the road which is not working very good . and this is just just building the sheet on the region in china. would like things to stay state as cool because things already like tennis between china and the west, possibly the united states and as part of the trying to sell them a balanced situation. because it's interesting to be tied to the wisdom of san francisco with the economy and so kindly, if you could only interest from at this time as well, and not to have things go talk to you thought of you. so right now i think that is a fair amount of concern within the chinese government. my want to do regarding this recent development and it seems to be losing a little bit of control over the overall influence in uh, north korea. oh yeah, that makes well bed every tense relationship between the us and china, but that's not stopping to us all skiing china to try to prevent north korea

sending troops to russia. craig, the question is, is china willing to do that? and indeed, kind of do that. you know, i don't think there's much china can do uh, to restrict, uh, the uh, any deployment by north korea to russia. whether it's our troops or weapons for that matter. since of course, china has been in the same thing directly supporting the rushes war. shooting you crying through uh, supplies and critical uh, technologies and also diabetes just in general way of important training partner for russia. and of course, the north korea. north korea overwhelmingly remains dependent on shawn or at least 90 percent of its trade. and so in that sense, china does have some limited leverage over north korea. and

china also, as was mentioned, is, will not be enthusiastic to say, north korea, escalating tensions too much in the region, including through it's on this all testing. but ultimately, the is the kind of limits what shawn it can do to stop by jim jones rising and letting me cooperate and to the extent that they have. oh, i'm pablo. the us are that's amazing. that china is recruiting a whopping 25230000 soldiers, new soldiers every month, just to replace the dead and the wounded on the battlefield. how desperately does russia need these north korean men? the numbers right now, the according to president, for the more portion, there is over 600000 russian service move deployed in the war

zone and your brains. so additional troops most likely will be welcome. but i don't think search if they've changed that much because the numbers are not very high. it's how it will be problems to integrate them on the battlefield. so most likely to be gone very gradually. and so that's more symbolic, but uh, supplier 3, north korean support is important politically. and it's important very much that they have been sharing their stock files. uh, a heavy thoughts are the 1225 inch and 150 to 6 inch guns. and the that is strategically important. so most to yeah, as a a. now why is this ready to stand with russia? because a lot of us 3, it was isolated rushes by the way because of course, but do we have to use the front of supplying the supporting on the battlefield

would be very important. and hopefully it won't bring or additional aspiration either in the far is nor, and the opinion which was and then for that for the rest of that would be advantageous. i would say, craig ross is war and you claim that as being see now is a war of attrition. the longer it continues and the known good news career is sending troops to russia, we understand that dialogues are continuing between the 2 sides. so we are likely to see more troops arrived in the future. but of course that would then mean more money for the north korean regime and it folks thought doesn't it? so was impact. is this going to have on north korea as a country, as well? is vladimir treatment supplies? uh no, normally um, money in funds, but also technology that will only enhance and encourage that can germans rising to continue the development of nuclear weapons,

particularly icbm and also the north korea has one of the largest land armies in the world over 1200000 trips, so there is a potential for conjunction to supply the russia with a troops for months and possibly their use to count. so that is quite a, it, this threatens to only exchange of the war and you try and put the further pressure on the president zalinski government. and uh, it really uh, ups the ante and puts the diplomatic pressure on you cranes back is particularly the, the european union and also got it states in the other countries like japan and just generally outside of your pin america, which is also supported you crime mostly for natural, but some equipment supplies as well. so north korea,

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