to leave that unflinching gentleness of how many people are in detention. victor, let me be philosophical, no, don't be focused on giving any miracle international filmmakers well clause. so what's the plan here today? question? the most important part is that we get attention to the climate prizes, bring programs to form an expire on how jesse are from the economy to immigration and emotion rights come with harris and donald trump offer to virgin plants. but who are we? american voters trust more particularly on domestic issues. this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much i'm john. 2 candidates, 2 opposing visions for america's future. as combat harrison,

donald trump battle for the white house, their plans for the nation couldn't be more different from their approach to the economy, to questions about democratic norms and immigration policy. but with inflation still biting and border crossing is dominating headlines. which vision will resonate most voters can harris successfully distance herself from the challenges of the bottom years. and how my trumps legal troubles affect his ambitious agenda for a 2nd term. we'll explore these questions with our guest shortly. but 1st, this report from axles i'm of which across the united states, the same conversations keep coming up. it's not just about who will be the next president. it's about what kind of america people want to wake up to. both candidates say democracy itself hangs to the balance. it should be emphasized that on like donald trump, i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy from with she's a threat to democracy because she shouldn't even be the candidate. they should have

picked a candidate fairly not just given her because they want to be politically correct. the 1st presidential election since role versus wait the federal law to protect it . the abortion rights was overturned as put the issue at the forefront. we will vote because we also understand if he was elected he has been pretty clear in his behavior and his deeds. he will ban abortion nationwide. he will restrict access to birth control, put idea of treatments at risk enforce states to monitor women's pregnancy. this issue has torn this country a part 52 years, so we got it back in the states. on immigration, the battle lines are clear. trump promises what he calls the largest, the partition in history. while harris backs treat their border controls with a past due, legal immigration, the united states is now unoccupied country can you believe? i have to say that the united squared and occupied countries are coming in there by

the thousands and they have equipment that's military great equipment. how did they get that? they've military great equipment, but it will soon be an occupied country. no longer american waters remain divided on the economy to paris. once tax cuts for the middle class and the new child credits trump pledges large tariffs and 4 and made goods and deeper tech scots for big companies. as president, i will be laser focused on creating opportunities for the middle class that advanced their economic security, stability, and dignity. together, we will build what i call an opportunity economy. those who don't make their product in america, they will be forced to pay a rather stiff tariff for the privilege of competing with our cherish companies that we're going to take care of. now, the campaigning is largely over. it all comes down to

a simple mark and the ballot paper, the one that could change the course of the nation for years to come. x was i much how to 0 for insight story. all right, let's go and bring our guests in to have paul muskgray of an associate professor of government at georgetown university in the pop up in minneapolis, minnesota, amy coke, a republican political strategist and in dallas, texas. ronnie of a tree is a democratic political strategist. it's great to have you with us all. thanks so much for joining us today on inside story nadia. let me start with you today and let's talk 1st about the economy and how big of an issue that is for this election . because economic experts largely given the current american economy high marks. but most americans don't agree. there are lots of poles that have found that a majority of americans feel worse off today than they did 4 years ago. how much of a challenge does that pose for cala harris and how much of an advantage might that pose for trump or might that be rather for trump?

i think there's 2 things that play here. one is that often times the political class refers to a strong economy as the strong start stock market. and the reality is the vast majority of people in this country are, are not invested when they're talking about the economy. they're talking about the price of gas, the price of groceries, the price of rent, you know, all those sort of every day items that are required to live in take care of your family. and so there, that's sort of the missing piece. i will say however, in, in the us right now, you know, the cost of gas has gone down a there items that have actually decreased and costs. is that mean that, that everybody's just doing great. of course not. but i think just as a rule, we should start thinking about the economy just in the terms of stocks and investments. cuz like i said, the vast majority people aren't, aren't living that life. the amy donald trump, when it comes to the economy,

one word that comes up again and again is of course, care of he keeps talking about, he's going to impose tear ups or taxes on all imported goods going forward. but the economy is by and large, continue to warn that this could have disastrous ramifications for the economy that it could ignite a dangerous trade war, that it could cause a recession, throw millions out of work, our voters buying this plan from trump. all right, so i don't think, i mean, is a republican, i'm not support of, of, of the terrorist that he's proposing at least as widespread as he's talking about. so that's a problem. however, most americans are thinking that broadly they are thinking about what they're paying at the grocery store, what they're paying at the gas pump. you know, the cost of everything has sky rep, rank rocketed under the bite and here's administration. and that's what's going to be at the top of their mind when they go to the polls, not the tears. for me, it's a deep concern. i think for many, it may be,

but we're not there yet. we're feeling are the immediate effects of this inflation, and that's what's going to impact us out. paul, if i could just dig into this a little bit deeper with you as well, many economists agree there are on the same page that america's economy, they believe is getting stronger. the unimed unemployment rate is low, inflation is down, economic wrote seems to be solid and job growth has, according to these economists been strong. if the economy is doing better, if inflation is decreasing, why do so many polls reflect the opposite the sentiment from american voters. and why hasn't the bible administration been able to capitalize on this or to benefit from an economy that, at least on paper, is growing healthier? well, you put your finger right on the cheap paradox of this entire election compared to pure economies compared to other countries. the united states is doing great. this is something where if you look at how canada the u. k, western europe, anybody else is doing, you'd rather have the us economy than any of there's. the problem is that people

don't look at comparative statistics to understand how they personally are doing. and when you're looking at housing costs that have skyrocketed when you're looking at wage increases that are just outpacing inflation, it feels a little bit hard. the tricky is that everything could have been worse. the only reason that this election is competitive is that inflation is actually got temp down, is that an employee meant to kept, you know, itself, download a lot of that and not all that. but a lot of that has to do with the policies that present in binding in congress put into place in the 1st 2 years of his administration. some of that it's just natural working out, but it's really hard to take credit before the line. things aren't as bad as they seem. i think about, you know, famous british prime minister telling people you've never had it so good. that's a wildly clueless remark when people are looking at the fact that they can't say,

in this case, buy a house. so it's very hard to take credit for something where the entire argument is, well, it would have been worse. even a frankly, that's basically the case. things would've been worse. it built back better than the inflation reduction that hadn't been passed. the fact that we're looking at the cutting interest rates on wednesday just goes to show that the economy is, you know, past the inflationary phase, and ready to start moving into a phase where will need assistance to keep growing. amy, i saw you reacting to a lot of what paul was saying that looks like you want to jump in. so if you do, please go ahead. oh, you just, i was just good. he said it perfectly right. it's. that's not a great sell for the american people to say. yeah, but it could have been worse and other countries are so much worse. it's. that's not people's reality. that's not what they're feeling. ronnie, let me ask you about the fact that kind of le harris has been unveiling the past few weeks. more details about her economic agend. uh, what she's calling an opportunity economy. do voters feel at this stage like they

have enough detail about her plan and what it entails to i listen, i think that you know, she's been putting more meat on the bones in the last. she obviously her campaigns only a few months old. i do think that there are some people who probably would like more details, but what i will say is obviously she's got way more detail. and then donald trump does not that that you know, makes it. i also just have to say just going back a little bit. this is one of my biggest frustrations, aside from the current abysmal foreign policy of this administration. there have been some good things out of this white house as far as the economy goes and they have not communicated that to the american people. and frankly, that's on them. um, so i, i do, you know, i do think that she's the vice president hasn't put in more detail together and been putting more detail out there. are there a swap the people that would like to see more?

of course, there are paul, is it fair to ask if perceptions of the economy and the united states, if they're split down partisan lines? i mean, do democrats feel better generally about the economy than republicans do? yeah, this is one of the strongest findings that political scientists have found over the past 10 years. um, it used to be the people lived in the world with the same facts these days of people's partisan filters, how they interpret the world really have a lot to do with how they see things going. that's why, you know, when you ask people about inflation, when you ask people back gas prices, you see big splits in how the public perceives that one of the interesting things coming into the home stretch here of this election has been that donald trump began with a solid edge on the economy on voters perception that he was the right candidate to handle that economy on that issue. cala harris has done a lot to catch up. i don't think that she's consistently overtaken, but this is something where as the economy has continued to grow,

as the headlines have caught up with where the economy is, harris who has wrote it, translate on that issue. so again, if the economy were doing worse, if inflation kept going higher, then this would not be a competitive election and donald trump would be cruising to re election. the only reason this is competitive aside from complet harris, being the nominee now is that the economy is good enough to make a re election possible in the 1st case. i mean, i want to try to use this as a segue to talk about immigration because donald trump, he does continue to demonize immigrants. that's one of his core messages. he continues to promise the largest deforestation in history if he is elected to a 2nd term. and if trump actually were able to deport millions of immigrants, what kind of an impact would that have on the economy? because there's a lot of economists say that that would be detrimental. you have millions of immigrants who work on farms on construction sites in meet packing plants,

for example, what kind of effect would that kind of an action have on the american economy? now, what, what would be? it would be very devastating to the american american academy. and i don't think that's the solution that needs to be done. but the but the concern about immigration, the border itself since the day of biden's inauguration, the levels were at on manageable levels, which is $2500.00 illegal crossings a day by the, by the administration's own definition. since the dave is an operation except in the last couple of months. and so i think what it reflects is that americans are concerned about what we've been seeing at the border, which has been a humanitarian and a security issue that seems wildly uncontrolled by this administration. and so the rhetoric is high again. it's sort of like the tears. it's not something that i support in his policies. i'd like to see

a common sense reform done around immigration. but you also have to figure out what's going on at the border of and secure that 1st before i think americans are going to ever allow a reasonable conversation around this. and that's just not been the case. last 4 years running, i saw you reacting just now to what i may have to say. i know you want to jump in, but let me also ask you about this issue. because as we said, trump continues to demonize immigrants. this is one of his core messages. it has been for a long time. harris, of course, back stricter border controls with a pass to legal immigration and legal citizenship. how much is the issue of immigration? a concern for voters right now? even though i think historically has been a really big issue and i'm not saying it's not an issue now. excuse me, but the reality is in the country, we are also talking about just like you were saying, the economy. we're talking about women's autonomy. we're talking about the genocide and gaza, so there are other issues i think that has overtaken immigration at the top where

we use either we would usually see it as a top 2 or 3 issue. i think it's kind of an overtaking a bit and polling now that doesn't make it any less important. i personally find the things that donald trump says, absolutely atrocious and dangerous. of course, we've seen the the impacts of some of his rhetoric. but the other thing i will say, sure, like secure border pathway to citizenship, all of those things are important, but 2 things to remember. one, there's a reason that that there are so many people seeking refugee status. there's a reason so many people are trying to migrate over from their home countries. and to there was a bi partisan piece of legislation on the table that we all know no matter what donald trump says, he blew it out. and did i like it? actually no, i didn't, and i know a lot of people didn't either but, but there was a negotiated piece of legislation that died on the vine because of donald trump's

involved. but paul, from your vantage point, the issue of border control, the issue of image ration, is this going up list of priorities for american voters right now, or is it decreasing in their minds as far as important? yeah, the numbers, i see it's still top to the top for i it's not nationally a number one issue, but it is definitely a big, big issue in this race that's magnified by the fact that you have a competitive senate race in texas of all places. that's magnified by the fact the arizona and nevada or swing states that's magnified by the fact that a whole lot of working class and middle class white americans view border security as tremendously important. these are the places where the campaign is being file. i think that what lies behind it, your questions about tier to your questions about immigration is that americans have really strong concerns about how the economy about how immigration is going. donald from promises bold,

sometimes vague and sometimes terrifying policy details, but people often respond to the boldness without engaging with for or even believing that he specifically means. so things that he's saying. cala harris, it's easier to see from her tone. what she wants to have law enforcement at the board or some sort of a tech there, craddick appeal to the nationalist, political, economic policies for the economy. but then people don't really seem to want to hear the details. so this is, you know, a to say it in some ways, vibes election and what we have going into tomorrow's election is to respond to these big issues. but none of them really sitting down and having a, uh, you know, particularly detailed discussion around. yeah, this is the 1st presidential election since roe vs wade. that's the federal law that protected abortion rights. since it was overturned. i'm a couple of harris. she's been a vocal proponent of reproductive rights. even before she became the nominee,

she's always been much more impactful and effective. and in talking about reproductive rights, then joe biden ever was. um, you know, she's been assailing trump and republicans for creating a health care crisis that has led to preventable depths of women seeking abortion care. how effective has harris been on this issue with voters the way i think you kind of hit the nail on the head with, with her advocacy as a messenger on this issue. and the reality is, you know, we're seeing women from very, very conservative states, even self identified conservative women and certainly independence. and of course, democrats who have felt that this has gone too far, the jobs decision has gone too far. the fact that health care workers are afraid of being criminalized for performing actual health care. i've gone too far and we've seen the that we've seen the impact. women have died literally died. this is not

a scary go story. we tell any more that, oh, this is what could happen. it's happening. and i'm in texas one of the most restrictive states in the country. and we're seeing the impacts and where it's literally we're talking about the death of women. and often times women who have other children often times women to watch children who are being impacted in this way. if they don't die, often times they, they, they lose the ability to, to have children afterward because of the severe impacts of, of, of, of, not intervening in time. so, you know, we saw the pole in iowa, which i'm not, you know, holding my breath, waiting for come on here as to when to when i went. but i do think that this, this idea of choice, but the decision, the impact that so many communities have spelt directly is having an impact on the race. and obviously, just like you said, come on here is,

is that much more effective messenger than joe biden? ever was on this issue. amy, let me ask you um, since rovers the weight was overturn abortion rights? supporters have prevailed on all the ballot measures that have gone before voters in several states across the united states, even in republican states. how much does that worry? republicans in this election. psych well, it just worries. i'm a great deal. and so i think it's the 1000000 dollar question in this, in 2022, we saw women go to the polls very quietly. it wasn't really reflection of the polls that should have been a good year for republicans. and well, it wasn't a devastating year very well because it was because we still under performed where we should have been given where the economy was given public safety issues. and so that is the question, are women still going to, are they kind of just quietly gathering themselves and going forward? you've even seen commercials reflecting sort of a woman going to polls their husband and he's voting. he's clearly

a vocally boarding trump and then she's just quietly voting for for harris. i'm not sure that that is at the top of the list, but i think it could be and we see this iowa pool, which does seem to be a bit of an outlier. and with him i will goes for tumbling harris. then everyone's bracket. his bus on the electoral map and it's going to be, it's going to reset the table. but, but if that is still something that could be reflected in the outcome of this election, it will be a problem for president trump, for president trump. and that is also why you've seen him solve and his own changes down. he talks about, but it wasn't about abortion. this was about giving the, you know, the rights back to the states to decide individually that you saw. milan is book that came out and said, well, i'm pro choice and, and, and i hate what i've been seeing happening. and so i know it's,

it's interesting whether the campaign has done enough to sort of a delay some of those beers. it also is interesting to see if women are going to still go to the polls on that kind of number one issue in the way they did in 2022 . and paul, i saw you reacting, looks like you want to jump in, but, but also let me ask you something to follow up on something that amy was saying that because she mentioned the fact that you know, donald try it has been, has been touting this line on the campaign trail, but essentially he's gonna leave this to the states going forward because there were concerns that perhaps if he's voted back in the office, that maybe he would sign into law national abortion band. i wanna ask you what folders believe this messaging from the trump campaign as to him, potentially leaving this kind of a decision with reproductive rights up to the states going forward? yeah, i think that this is something where people will have very different evaluations based on how much they trust donald trump based on how much they trust the supreme court tuesday out of this issue going forward and not to go further on abortion

restriction, of course, and then they have, if you look at the polls, donald trump and the supreme court, not really trusted entities in american politics anymore. so i think that what you have is a situation in which women are mobilized to vote. they are clearly extending the gender gap even further than they've had been some of the crossed outs. and polls suggest that this could be a very big winning issue. and you know, the number one thing is when i pull somebody, i'm going out and asking their opinion, when you have an election, people have to get up and go to the polling place or find a valid and turn it in. and any little difference in marginal enthusiasm to vote matters, women seem to be much more energized to make that last trip that last walk to the ballot box to actually put their votes in. then perhaps they have been in previous elections. and i think it's amy points out that could make the difference. i should also point out that when we talked about polls, we're talking about holes that have

a lot of assumptions about who the electric is going to be. and if ronnie is, and you know women and out for form where posters have guessed that they will be, this could be a very short election. i don't think that's likely. but it is possible that the polls were seen, reflect more of the guesses about where pollsters believed the election will go. then any of you know, certainty about where actually will be you, ronnie, we don't have a whole lot of time left but, but one of the messages the voters are hearing over and over again in this election cycle is the democracy hangs in the balance. how much of a concern is this for voters in this presidential election? because many say that it's, you know, close to the top as far as the concerns that they have the state of democracy in going going forward in the united states. what do you say? what are you hearing from folks? absolutely, that is a top issue among democrats, that comes up, whether it's at the doors, whether it's a, you know, sort of the rhetoric that's, that's put out there. and, and it's real, you know, there's the quote, the,

my angela quotes when somebody shows you who they are, believe them. so we've got the full, you know, this whole project 2025 thing that has been drafted. it's in black and white. there is, there is this, there's donald trump saying things like, you'll never have to vote again and of course turn the campaign turn to walk it back. there's all these sort of proof points about donald trump's intention with democracy. and i think regardless of what party you're in, regardless of your ideology, you patriotism and freedom in this country are very, very important. and the in democracy lies at the core of that. and so if we're talking about the rights to vote, being a tampered voting at all being tampered and for any anything sort of upsetting or democracy, i think you're seeing across the board. that is, that is an issue people care about. and when i say across the board, i even mean the, the excuses that are made on donald trump's behalf. but oh, he didn't really mean that. so i do think it's important. it's not necessarily the

1st thing that somebody says when i talk to them or when others are talking to them . but it's, it's definitely top of mind. um, amy, let me just ask you one last question. we just have about a minute left. um, i want to get your opinion on how donald trump's legal troubles might affect his agenda for a 2nd term. if he is re elected. is it just widely expected? but if he does when that he would just pardon himself, and that would be the end of that. yes. very interesting. right? because that discussion and that sort of a historic moment of having of our president indicted has largely disappeared. and i think that is because it is baked in, or at least a baked in assumption that should he win the presidency. all of that, just, you know, it disappears at least for the next 4 years. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests. paul musgrave, amy coke, and ronnie and patrice and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a. com and for further discussion,

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