or a visual anti or something decent. awesome. and i mean, i was here, i shot him dead. the controversial us know, stand your ground. you're saying are these laws actually encourage more violence? giving your savings the right to kim. we're sending the message that you can just do this. this is ok and denying justice to victims. families, lines investigate, license to you on out to 0. donald trump selection victory was driven by domestic issues, but it's consequences will reach far beyond us borders. with wars in the middle east and europe intention high with china. how is this victory being received around the world? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much in june. they say all politics is

local, and donald trump to make america great again slogan, reflects how domestic us issues drove his election victory. but his return to office will have major implications for the rest of the world. given the positions of us as the number one, economic and military power, since he left office israel, his ways the relentless war on gaza and launch the tax on lebanon, iran, syria, human and other targets in the region. russia has invaded ukraine, starting europe's biggest military conflict since world war 2. tensions between the us and china have increased, while the shadow of economic uncertainty has to send it on many parts of the world . so how is trumps when being seen around the globe in gaza? there was little celebration with people there saying there was no difference between comma harris and trump. he come out of hers is the same as administration, the enemy and his student. again, this is about a senior beeble. a game is the well

a seen an issue is fix will not change a lot by lot of had a little hard to admit. i 7, i expect the next stage for the palestinian people to be very difficult. despite the destruction, dates and displacement in that we witnessed last year. however, what is coming would be more difficult than it would be politically devastated. with world political figures gave the customary congratulations, even if for some it was maybe through gritted teeth. not so for hunger as prime minister of extra or by seen as you, as am o'clock, you got the pull it to go to a thing. i see a 1000000000 victory, perhaps the biggest come back and john struggling in wisdom, political history. the fact that even with james, the 2 piece property, they wanted to kill him, the entire american media then against difficult and he's the one caught on the ball, not piece of. trump says he wants to end wars, including the one in ukraine where his, when is being met with on east us support is vital for the fight against russia. in office. he was severely critical of nato saying that you asked was paying too much

and other members to little. and it was even speculation he might withdraw from the alliance congratulating trump on his election when the foreign minister of germany, which is strongly back to crane, indicated that a new security relationship. maybe you needed to make sure someone's this class for me. for us, it is clear to read your opinions will now have to take on even more security policy responsibility. him today, tomorrow, the day of tomorrow. for ourselves, for our children, we are prepared for visiting no rush. it says, ties with us, read an all time low. but moscow was open to dialogue with trump since he left the office 4 years ago, us relations with russia, a plunge to lo, has not seen since the cold war. the kremlin says it hopes for an improvement, which is pretty skinny, less more. it's almost impossible to worse than us russia ties further. the relationship is at its lowest point, historically. it will now depend on the next lead of the united states. president

putin has repeatedly said that he's open to constructive dialogue based on justice and equality and a willingness to take into account each other's concerns. and beijing, there was mixed reaction to trumps victory. i houses i said to, to, i think is too bad. i mean, even one by them was in charge. us china relations. what very good the differences trump is an open book while the other biden isn't. uh, trying to trump is not particularly surprising. he does what he says. so then we have to pay more attention to the impact of trans election on a country's trade. and now that trump is indeed elected, there will be good and bad in our trade relations. the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests. and berlin is steven airliner. the chief diplomatic corresponded in europe for the new york times at oxford to meet her betcha, senior fellow at carnegie europe, and then boston from equity,

distinguished public policy fellow at american university, a beta with a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story, steven, let me start with you today. and let's start by talking about what impact all this might have on the middle east. what will a trump presidency from your vantage point look like when it comes to the issues that are playing out in the middle east? how consequential will this be for this region at a time of such attention? it's a very good question. i'm not sure. of course we know the answer, we do know that's better than not to now who wanted trump to when we do know that a different find starting the campaign, trump said to israel, better hurry up and get it done because you're hurting yourself to the other point . seems sort of said do what you have to do, but it's not clear ever what trump actually talking about. so same with ukraine. so nothing yahoo will feel in bold and empowered. i mean,

i think the likelihood of, of american military and now being restricted to israel seems far away, but trump doesn't take offers for a couple of months. so the body administration still has a bit of leverage. but since, since had so little leverage, mister netanyahu so far, it's hard to imagine that it's going to be much, much different. the big question to me is iran, because trump has, has a ron in it, in his sites and nothing yahoo has a wrong in his sites. and it does raise the question of whether trump would be more flexible. but that way in letting netanyahu a deal militarily with a ron or even helping him to do that. so i think these are some of the big questions and then of course has the abraham accords relationships with the saudi

is it is possible, i suppose if one wants to be optimistic that trump will want to get the gaza war over width and something sustainable. put it in its place from me as you heard there from my stephen. it's no secret that is really a prime minister benjamin. that's and you always been hoping for a trump victory. and the israeli prime minister was one of the 1st leaders to congratulate trump on this victory. what can we read into that from your perspective? what kind of impact do you think this is going to have when it comes to israel's wars on gaza and the conflict and living on you know, i think we shall not to put too much emphasis on the change of leadership that's coming. i've been following the american elections on the list level is relations since i was a college in the us and 1966. so just before the 67 war. and i can tell you that the local badge from here, from the middle east, and certainly from the vantage of all of the leaders of this region. the consistent

record is that the united states government probably with the approval of its people, gives as real, almost everything it wants only occasionally applies a little gentle pressure here and there. but basically, the presidency is not the major factor in american foreign policy. electoral politics is, and we just saw this with the outrages behavior of pamela harris and refusing to say anything on guys other than the talk with points that she got. and this is the consequences is that she lost. so i don't see a huge changes, but certainly erotic behavior by trump dramatic behavior. let's quality he's interested in 2 things. he's interested in drama, not pertaining purchases, a background. and i was interested in making deals deals politically, to benefit him and deals for financial aid to benefit his family and friends. so i

wouldn't have disappeared a more of the same, but we saw last time. the problem though, is that one of the reasons that the october 7th attack happened from the us as involved now and fighting in the rack and the m and then 11 another. what was the place is that the abraham accords that are so widely lauded in the west, we're seen as a catastrophe. then them at least to try to resolve the regional tensions without addressing the core problem in israel palestine. and that was prompt to do it because there were some of the of jared customer who really, you know, knew nothing about them at least and showed us so the explosion of the, of that was recently reflect back on what trump did when he was in the white house, so i think hopefully he'll learn his lessons and try to go. it's good that he might go for a big deal and i wouldn't rule out the grand bargain. i deal with the wrong palestine, israel. so the regular nuclear stuff,

security guarantees. i wouldn't roll that out of that has to satisfy the needs of all the key players, which he has never done around me. let me ask you about something else that stephen alluded to, which is the fact that trump has indicated over the course of the last several months that he'd like to see him into the war in gaza. but even if that works very out, um, should it be expected from your perspective? should it be expected that trump would most likely accept some kind of an outcome that was heavily weighted and israel's favor, including perhaps israeli military control ultimately over the gaza strip? oh, i think that's a little sick. i mean when he touches is real, get it over with this is just go do any thing you have to kill. don't destroy the place of trash. while i gather some that underwater he doesn't care. a one point is on the low wanted to talk about the potential. the casino is on the beach. if that potential is not there, there's no gain for trump in his family, them. he doesn't really care. he doesn't know gaz of from the rules. so yes,

he'll go along with anything is really wants if it benefits him out of the difficulty here is that his core constituency. hey core constituency for trump is even general kilometers. i'm christians, cooler. why believe pro, is rarely why, believe ignorant of the realities of the region and wildly from caring about what happens as long as they can fulfill their biblical prophecies. and i think the pump is telling israel, do whatever you want, just a get this off to use pages because he understands that that's what triggered the process in the us, brought down camera harris and created new tensions. so even if i could shift gears for a moment or 2 and talk about nato, because nato chief mark root congratulated donald trump. he said his leadership will again be key to keeping our alliance strong. cannot really be the sentiment currently at nato because trump's 1st term was very fraud for the alliance. and

those years, trump lambasted european allies that just germany for weak defense spending. and he reportedly even mold pulling washington out of nato. so how was made a really feeling right now? well, one of the reasons mark wrote that it was charles, that was because he gets on with trump. and people were thinking about trump possibly women's no, you know there's a new law in america. so it's very hard for the united states to pull out of nato without a 2 thirds vote of the senate. but trump can undermine nato. but simply by saying, you know, those aggressive montenegrins which is what it's called them. i'm not going to fight for them. or by saying, as he's also done in, in the past, those who don't pay enough, don't pay their dues as he likes to think of it. i'm not going to protect them. at the same time, it is worth saying that more countries have been paying 2 percent of g d p,

including the countries most vulnerable to russia, poland, the baltic states, etc. they've all been paying considerably more than 2 percent. so trump shouldn't have to be complaining about them, but he doesn't like multilateral alliances. he thinks they weak and the united states rather than strengthen them. and he does kind of think of article 5 as a kind of protection racket. i mean that you have to pay him to get protection and this is a long time obsession of his so it's, it's kind of a rocky road. i don't think he's going to pull out of nato. i think he just wants to take credit for nato members. particularly your european members spending as they should, as they should do much more money on defense if the ukraine war, if russia is a serious security threat to europe, which i believe it is then europe must be paid more. it's ridiculous to think

that there's a major threats and um, you're not gonna spend more than the cost of a couple of cups of coffee a day per, per person. so, i mean, this issue will royal us for some time, but i, i don't believe an armageddon. a demeanor. i, i noticed something you posted on x earlier since we're talking about europe. you, you said on ex, that europe's relationship with trump to us would be reminiscent of e u. turkey dynamics. what exactly did you mean by that? will do with the most of the say, so the tremendous states to, especially with the joint. uh, but uh, the st. but the us and the key, right? these, you know, get, we'll get this relationship as humans complexity. there is a little fashion to show, but it is also working on kids of dependence and overlapping interest, least in the area of migration of medicines and visual rhetoric and all that sort

of thing. sort of similar my time between trump and, and do you abuse? i mean, to be, of course, the rhetorical method of a separate order, but to be getting down to the business and trying to what cults deals, the china, the national goals, visual, actually europe, if you look at the whole as me, hold on to the us position that actually they might be some given they, whether you will be as will be picking them up for the position. the us with the whole of the listing business matter. or let me ask you about ukraine because before the election trumpet claim that he would be able to broker a deal in the war and ukraine, even before he takes office, now ukrainian president will let him or zalinski after trump's victory congratulated trump saying, i appreciate president trump's commitment to the peace,

through strength approach in global affairs. but what, what does the lensky really feeling right now? how concerned is he about what all this means for, for ukraine going forward? his very cuz of and he has a dispute with from the show. um oh so that was a 100 percent of the phone. no. what did you might be a except for the city don't because you at some point maybe. so what was easy, the conflict? uh, but uh, either way you're cleaning is what we're trying to say. we have to suppose to be able, are we willing to go extreme well, but for the ability of the relationship buying from you trading along side and the same values as you're getting more sol bolted countries and another honda place is nice to you're going back to students that have goals, multilateralism, adobe, it covers fault but not big. but lots of governments,

the biggest part of europe will be trying to build a special relationship with the, from the white house. be because of the purchase of a high end. american electric is a $35.00 in the czech republic, romania in palm phrases know us as a base of play of a big we find visual gas off. the roof is full scale invasion. so there's a little bit of a leverage points that people are politically. these governments will be bringing to the table one they talk to from the play to to very stater sales with this of nutrition. steve and i saw you react to the demeter was saying, there are let you jump in, but i also want to ask you about something else as a landscape mentioned in that statement, he added, we look forward to an era of a strong united states of america under president trump decisive leadership, we rely on continued strong bi partisan support for ukraine in the united states. kensel landscape actually rely on a continued strong bipartisan support,

as he implies in that statement. um it's, i'm sure he's very nervous, but there are people around trump like lindsey graham, who have been pushing him very hard to understand that what trump does on ukraine will affect how the rest of the world sees it. if trump makes it crane abandon its country, this will be seen as a failure of american policy, which will, which will have an impact. lindsey graham argues on how she's in thing looks at taiwan. so it will be shaped as trumps the legacy because that's what works with trump. and don't forget trump's. in his 1st term he brought more tanks and troops to europe. uh, obama had taken them out after 2014 trump put them back in. trump was the one who

agreed to to sell you train offensive and to tank weapons, which obama had been reluctant to do. so trump is a little hard part to gauge here. i think i can imagine him saying to bruton luck, you've got 80 percent of your train is not occupied, just let's stop where we are. and if you don't, i'm going to let the trainings shoot whatever they want and i'm going to help them do it. and say to the lensky lot, you know, the killing has to stop. you need serious talks with put and we can talk about what happens to the rest of your country down the road. but now it's time for a serious talk. no one's ever tried that. i don't know what makes fruit and talk seriously, but trump might be able to do it if he's willing, as he has been often in the past to go along with the narrative on the train that

it's def golf country. its across country is not a real country, and um, it should be neutral. so, i mean, this is one of the big questions that we don't know if i were to lensky. i'd be very nervous. mm hm. but i, i wouldn't assume things are gonna collapse right away there. a lot of people around trump to see it as a very important part of trumps legacy in his next term. but i mean, i want to re focus for a minute or 2 on the middle east earlier in the show. we brought up the ron and the role that iran is going to play. and all of this going forward, you're on the government, in response to trump being elected said the election of the president of the united states doesn't have a direct impact on us. in any case, the general policies of us and these law maker, public are fixed and this matter won't undergo significant changes with different individuals. but considering how tens things are in the region, what would leadership, any ron really be worried about or thinking about right now?

that would be certainly looking at the larger conflicts directly with israel, or with sorry, with the united states and israel together. the fighting here on the us, mainly in a defensive world, subordinates, really is really, is all sensibly attacking your honest i've been doing for about 1520 years. the. the main thing that the wrong wants is to stop being used as the boogeyman of the great evil that american political elites make it to be. democrats, republicans in defends, and doesn't matter who it is in the us. they all see here on there's a big trouble like, or whether it's, you know, proxies as they call them. and i sent that goes, come out as well. that would have used to be the soviet union. china is blinding up to be given the role and wants to, to get out of the situation and be respected and treated the decently. and they're

not asking for any privileges. they just want to stop being sanctioned and attacked and stratton and surrounded by 40 military bases of the us. only because of allegations by american politicians to half the time. don't really know what they're talking about, but respond to talking points from the lobbies that work on them and their evangelical base. so that's what they want, that they're not the out to conquer them in place. they just don't want to be abused, as has been the case. you know, they're all bama agreement and they know clear. and the sanctions deal is an extraordinary example of what happens when you actually engage you or anybody. you talk to them, you negotiate your work out a deal that satisfies both sides. i'm in response to international law. i think that's what essentially there's like they just saw from hub, the sophistication in a way or the subtlety to push the process. the new wrong person has talked about

the uh, uh, modifying the policy uh, related or modifying the relationship with the us and the what else to get back to a given taken. and let's hope that happens. i still believe that a grand bargain idea of addressing links with the wrong the item is really conflict, palestinian statehood loving their security. so age, that's after all i'd say is can probably be wrapped into an agreement that is reasonable and satisfies everybody's needs and reduces everybody's fears fits. so that's a big challenge way beyond the technical, political and personality capabilities of american diplomats. i fear for them are a few of them are able like bill bands and others who can do this. but most american diplomats over the years have not been able to do this because they're afraid of challenging they is really position. demeter, i know we're jumping around a little bit here, but we just have

a lot to cover geo politically. let me ask you specifically about noun, gary and prime minister victor or bon. he didn't hold back. he called trump's victory. brilliant. how happy must or bond be right now, would he be thinking that this trump victory bode well for his strong man style of politics going forward? he also looks at him. he has deals are based on personal relationships and leave to remember. but he was the only 40 leader whose name was licensed into the bank between carson phone. he has to come calls to go on the phone when you get the republican policy. and he is the role of bravo, the abuse of the services, the whole of they will. well, this name is bob 100, which is why because historically dungarees come to you this introspective for language to be understand. the even essential you know, uh you have a ticket with punching of the old is always in these countries where there might be problems down the line because it kind of refund the country that is very close to

china. i mean, people discuss what you know about the big book, which is a big game, choose your sheep, a visit to parents, and then the person both. let's say he's company still gets hungry as a professional battle. it could be best location electric vehicles bothering making so it will be difficult. the baby tricky. maybe you know, the both of the whole or bunk side, a search when keep this through the solution d as in from words that as a plane continued business, as you know with us i maybe russell, be less, looks us. that's one of the busses. and uh, steven, uh, the meter there was talking about china. you mentioned it earlier as well. and i want to just talk about that. we don't have a whole lot of time left, but we know that china has said since it was announced, the trump one that it hope for peaceful coexistence with the united states. but

when it comes to china, trump has threatened to expand terrace up to 200 percent on chinese made goods. that's far beyond the bite administration. is existing tariffs, what is china thinking about trumps when and does china believe the trump will actually do that when it comes to the terrace? well, china, so i think it's happy to have a president who john bolton says as mine is like a pinball machine. trunk goes from topic to topic. now, tariff certain obsession with drum, for the last 50 years. he believes tariffs are wonderful. despite the fact that they raise prices for the people who actually buy the goods, who are americans. but i think again, this is a big bargaining chip. trump throws around all kinds of numbers. he does believe that the balance of trade should improve. and i'm not sure how that's going to

happen. he thinks, by making chinese goods, chinese cars, much more expensive. so in a sense, trump is kind of a protectionist, the china doesn't like that, it's kind of, he's already slowing down on taiwan. i don't know. i mean, i mean my, my sense is, trump is less obsessed with taiwan. and then many people in his own party, people like the bridge, colby, so we'll have to see. but right now i think trump sees china, he admired she's in pain. and his control of the population. but sees china as a big economic competitor that he wants to bring down a little bit in terms of size. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're gonna have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest saving her layer dimmitt to our batch of and around the equity. and thank you to for watching. we can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'll just share a. com and for further discussion,

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