very ambitious, very nice, very persistent, and very good not to talk soon. you may be comfortable right now, but you will soon feel the sim hicks, we feel every day from home come. then you've gone the 3 women grub who would be in fact of the front line after this the future children on a jersey to donald trump's. when is being celebrated by israel as governments, the north palestinians and other sounds is rarely as had promised to bring pace without saying how. so one could comes for terms of the white house means that is around palestinians and why the middle east? this is inside story. the

hello welcome to the program. i'm toma cry. it wasn't much of a secret that is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu was hoping for donald trump victory last time and office trump was surrounded by hob lines on the sand, supporters of his room and describes binding. yahoo as the most pro is randy. who is president, if a well, since trump was ousted in his best presidency by joe biden, and 2020, the situation for palestinians is going from bed to catastrophic banks by american arms money and political support, as well as war on guns that has killed more than 43000 of them trumps is he'll bring pace to the middle east just as he promised last time with a so called deal of the century that went nowhere. and the situation has worse and since then, hugely sorry for palestinians, but also in terms of regional tensions. israel is to be found at the center of most of these attacking living on a ron, syria, human and all the targets in the region. so what in israel and the palestinians and

the why the middle east expect from trump sick and presidency and who might feel hurtful? and who might be the most worried? we'll discuss this a lot small without this shortly. but this, this report from homes i'm a how much windows from forcing of these last time. he was widely seen as israel, as most simple to us president. they look what happens is the end of the election pick to this week is really prime minister. benjamin netanyahu was quick to congratulate him. he sees tom's sweet tongue is a blissful relations between the united states and these that are you, your historic return to the white house offers a new beginning for america and a powerful re commitment to the great alliance between israel and america. on the streets, many is really saved through tons of trump can only be a good thing for the country. i think it's good for is that right? yeah, no doubt. it's better than the carmella harris is very good for is that because the

pool and the last, the time he was the president, we moved the m as an embassy from the telling me to jerusalem. and the everything that he said he did my email. it's a man, shit, i'm very happy drunk one. i hope he makes peace here. and we will have a good situation in our country and we will go back to the north and to the south. he will come things down because i believe he's able to make peace with the arabs. a political energy saved is really government is detected a trumps when i think it's a celebration because it is a batch, but not in your place. decades ago on ties that the republican party, the christians, angelica base, the sort of democratic party, the lights move in an opposite direction because of its claim to represent something different. these guys genocide and was on god's asking more than 43000

palestinians. and indeed, over 100000 the us supplied, is it a, with weapons on funding, despite reported populations between president joe biden. and the thing, you know, but many palestinians in god's us see nothing, we've changed under the trump presidency in this, but that's what was the problem over whether it's trump or another president. nothing will change for the palestinians. unfortunately, trump on the of the support design is there to them. some experts say it's unclear how trump locked. i think the only thing that would bring them to an end is uh, you know, real pressure on the israelis to bring them to an end to bring it. and then to the genocide and cause and we're in love and on and the tensions with the wrong. whether trump is willing to take that type of step is, is a, is a complete on no, nothing, no pending claims come to be the best friend that is right and has ever had in the white house in 2018 trump,

the us embassy from that is really capital interview to get us send him. subaru, other countries also normalize relations, which is right, is doing trump's time. you know, if he's, he's promised to bring peace to the middle east without seeing how on these tough position on your, on the in line with nothing else whose is, i think the 5th, the conflict in the region could escalate the ends of how much you just need a for insight study the what is spring in august now and tell if he does it. i don't think it's a is a full minute. is riley government advisor and diplomats comparison team who are is the executive director of the arab reform initiative. also in tel aviv may arrives on sean is the senior is ready analyst at the international crisis groups think tank. thank you very much for being with us here on inside storage today. a festival along. if i can begin with you, i mean, you obviously have extensive experience when it comes to his ready,

us relations. exactly what changes now that trump has been re elected. i look in the media around probably not much, but mr. an attorney out of banks on a bank and now banks on donald trump for 3 separate reasons. that's why he's ideologically akin to him. he's ideologically close to him. they are both want to be tyrants. they both wants to uh um, install um semi or claws. i a storage area in there who in their countries. so in that respect on the, on the ideological level, their instinct. second, mr. newton, you all things to find that i'm a president trunk would not lean on him at all on the palestinian issue. and he's probably right because net because trump is not invested in that issue, doesn't care much about that issue at this point,

at least are judging by the past experiences and would certainly not the question i find the out to engage in a political process. i don't even want to call it piece process, but a political process with the balancing. the 3rd is that mr. nathaniel now is absolutely certain. i mean may be right again, that trump is not going to interfere or exert any pressure on his constitutional cool. the one that he's been instigating and his role since january of 23. now i don't know what, what times policies in the middle east are going to be. but let me say the following uh with, without the benefit of knowledge, trump is much more to choose to what the stories will tell him than to want that time. yeah, we will tell him number one, number 2, we still do not know whether trump intends to be tough with the wrong or whether because because joe buying the current president wasn't successful,

he will re engage with about with the iranians on a no nuclear deal. just to prove a point that he could make a deal weren't no one else did and he's the one, remember, one in 2019 who run negates out of the deal and withdrew uni laterally. so while mr. nathaniel may be looking forward to this and, and coming up with all these uh, hollow cliches about what a great presidency was and what a great friend he was. uh that's, that's a lot of nonsense. i think that the next few months may prove him wrong. well yeah, i'd like everyone will be watching and waiting to see exactly how things play out. uh the team didn't. yeah. who said that is one of the 1st to congratulate trump, as we've heard it. obviously they have a very, very close relationship. they are aligned on many things. trump said he wants to, in the bought the, by the time of his integration on january, the 20th the team is that something that you see happening, that netanyahu was actually going to want to do that. and if so,

how does he go about doing it? that's a good question because, you know, truck, a lot of these sorts of announcements, right? it makes them appear as a successful decision maker. i want this done. you have to comply, but he's not saying more done on what terms and how sustainable will a ceasefire be. what is clear? i think there won't be a pressure on me then, you know, and probably you're able to have desire by that to you know, because there's internal pressure within israel to try to, uh, and quote unquote, a little more in love in on. and also to provide some sort of role roadmap in the i think the sort of never ending more doesn't suit anyone now. well, what is the sort of new coke fries?

so for the, uh, the uh president trump can green uh, what is the leverage that and it's an yeah, house today to bring these wars to an end. that's not clear to me because we just heard the sector general of has been uh speak uh yesterday and he was very clear. i mean, his brother has not got a fault, not gonna just accept this fee or stop by and rockets because president drum wants them to. and we've also seen the how much despite the. busy incredible destruction and goes and all the losses they suffered, they can still show some form of symbolic armed resistance. uh, in the so i don't think, you know, i mean the copies are not going to disappear simply because trump's that so, or because trunks that, you know, acts more decisively than by then or assess certain things. i mean, we've seen a current us administration under by them that has actually been sol solved. busy

or to the israel. busy apartment, perhaps the exception of a striking eros nuclear uh, assets or, you know, look the reactors and uh, your ons, oil songs. yeah. it's hard to believe that anyone could be more pro is riley than joe biden, but as we've heard and isn't, yeah. who side the trump definitely is a layer of, i mean how big of relief is drums when full funded in yahoos coalition. obviously, he'd made no secret of the fact that he was hoping that trump would win. i mean, does it give the immunity to carry on and do exactly what they want, how they want, when they want, as well as we've been setting, i mean, under bite and israel has largely done what it wants. and this next 2 months of elaine, the finding is also very up in the air. you know, the us just send the offensive weapons here, be 52 bombers. so we have to see how that plays uh,

with the ron. but in terms of translating, i mean the far right, subtler far right in the coalition is very happy. there's been calls the ford trump line now that he has one to apply sovereignty to fully a next to westbank. this is an open agend done open platform by the government and it's also something that's been happening on the ground in the shadow of the guys of war and 11 and more. so we haven't heard necessarily as much about it, but the westbank is, is, is being re organize the rocky patient, the way it functions, the civil authorities, the fatalities to much rich has taken as finance minister and administered the defense ministry. so these things are bound to be accelerated, both now and in the post trump period. i mean, this farmer investor, david friedman, just published a book on how and why it is relevant to the next to west space. so on issues like that, i think is riley's been power, are very happy. and also when you look at what's happening in northern gaza right now, um, just an acceleration of the population of dispossession and destruction. i don't

really see trump stopping that either, and i cd is really government moving forward with the both again in the next 2 months and also and of course, you know, when trump takes power, i see that being accelerated. adam, if we can just stick with the with bank briefly now, i mean many in terms of the circle want to annex the west bank that made no secret of that. i mean, how concerned should palestinians be, i mean, is that a threat or something that could actually be carried through one? 0, you know, i talked to her, oh, i need to come in the house for finding the time to read the david friedman spoke with the with a gun into my head. i wouldn't read that. i talked to the headlines last year. i read it. i yeah, you can make all excuses you want. but but back to your question top, um, if i were the palestinians, i wouldn't be afraid at all. i would say you want to an excess we there you. let's

see you do that. obviously these early government is not going to annex the entire worst thing. what it may do is add to the reverse ability, who is really present slash occupation of the west bank by next things large blocks of a so called area. see, you know, that that's a huge area that's ignited as see since the oslo accords. but in terms of the mess that yon extremist right wing and israel that wants to an ext uh everything. oh trump is not going to care. he does know where the west bank is showing the blank mount and ask you more of the west bank. he's, he's, he's not gonna know he thinks the west bank is a club in new jersey, or i know that's not the point. i go back to the, to, to, to in the salient, i think that are salient points. number one is you would never dare to and next the entire which thing because it knows even this government understands around the degree. secondly, and i repeat the point i made earlier,

tom trump is going to be much more attuned to and influenced by the stories the cup, tardies and the me, roddy, is that he's ever going to be buying mr. nighttime. yeah. so if i were a policy and you know, given my, i'm, my frustration with the obama administration was a trump administration with a binder ministration. and now with the new, uh, um, fast forwards trump administration. i would, i would tell these really is, let's see, we very okay, let's stick with the pellets. and even people could, because arguably they have going to be the brunt of the impact of what if a trump decides or allows to happen when it comes to israel. a and uh, and the whole region, the team, you know, as we know, can you just explain this? what potentially could be the dia,

consequences for palestinians and the next 4 years with trump in charge. but we know what the trunk starts to earn those lottie, particularly in terms of recognizing the allocation of the golden hive. we also know that many of their key financial supporters of donald trump, including people like miriam, adults and others fully support the sort of masonic supplement movement and israel . so i think i agree, the biggest b, it wouldn't be on the west bank and sort of continuation of this policy. we already saw over the 1st time of moving the embassy to jerusalem and potentially 2nd term, recognizing more and more. israel sovereignty over a larger and larger part of the west was back. now this would probably be a continuation, i think the current us administration under, by the wouldn't, you know, never really pause the supplement endeavor. it would try to say things. so it never

called me to do my bit, but never fully supported. i think on the truck we might see more explicit support and the sort of symbolic gestures that he likes to do with and then opens the way for others. there's also, i think the 2nd step and i think there and it's on. yeah. who is probably feeling more comfortable with this is tramaso probably give him i would say more in units. the internationally again we, we've been waiting now for 5 months for the job as an international criminal court to look at the arrest lawrence of the i. c prosecutor requested a guest then. yeah, uh you know, the us under, i hate ministrations ever been a big fan of the i c. c. but actually, trump wouldnt totally undermine the i c c, i think for as court of upfront and then you know, and finally i would just add one point. i agree, the key issue is going to be how the strong at this stage balance between the

interest of our gulf states. and it is we are doing as far as administration. there was a general alignment as the in iran, as the main stretch. now many of the most of the golf country still see your arm as a key spread, but many of them have made some form of rep, right? small, whether you're wrong, you know, we saw the chinese, me use it, a personal piece of you, you're on. got to have good relations that even the u. e has better relation whether you're on today. so how was from sort of uh, navigate these 2 key allies, i think is probably where the space there is some space there to push for boston and rise. recognizing however, that the u. e and savvy are no longer on the same page. i think the way he would probably be happy to, to kind of sacrifice bostonians. right. so i think the conference and savvy has to take into account. busy or internal considerations around that, as they've made it very, very clear. they actually now have stick

a lot of the legitimacy and credibility behind the sort of a huge bush for a to stage. you know, sort of a, you know, renew is offer from the value and piece deal. they offered about, i guess, now, 18 years ago. okay. and there if, if we can just briefly talk about over what, because that can use it, as we know it passed different laws banning they promote for writing on is really controlled territory. on the a week ago, the trump actually cut off us funding to the you and i didn't see in 2018 when he was a last president. i mean, what will the 2nd trump presidency, presidency actually mean for the millions of people that rely on that agency every single day? well, i think, i mean, you pretty much have the answering the question. i mean, israel has now legislated what it has wanted to do for quite a while and it did so without finding alternatives and replacements, which is something that i think it wanted to do. but october 7th, i just made it kind of accelerated in a way that they would just basically get rid of lunar a. and really, i mean,

when i ask, is really officials of any idea, at least you know what this means and they don't have a good answer for how they're going to deal with it in the west bank, any serious went ahead and got it so. so this is something that, is it, trump is not gonna be, you know, refers that and as the team was saying, i mean the, the kind of war that israel has been waging against international institutions, international law. this is something that trump and that to me i who are very aligned to both in their foreign policies and domestically. i mean, we haven't talked about it but, and it's in yahoo is you just fired his defense minister. he's but trust is coalition. he's stabilized that he's solidified his place in power, and part of doing that is also spending off international arrest warrants and international law. and he's, he's doing that and he's remaining in power and he's also averting his own. uh, you know, a trial for corruption and, and he has various other scandals and security breaches that he's dealing with now

. and so this is a very similar truck, but it's all part of the same process of undermining the rule of law. and so this is all going to be accelerated, both internally and israel. and of course with regards to the posting is okay, i want to get on to a ron cuz we're going to go about saving right? minutes left in the discussion alone. i mean, is this trump victory going to allow israel to take it even greater risks when it comes to around? do you think i or no, i think it was. i think less res. um look is your watch take? well, i'll explain. i'll try to explain. israel for 2 reasons, one is trump is risk averse. trump is not going to go into war unless the ronnie does make a mistake, which i don't think they will add firstly, and that is attacking american best. this could happen in the early, but uh, this is speculation over conjecture, so i'm not going to go on. if the ronnie is stay away and refrain from for holding

the us, which i believe they have invested interest in doing. and this remains can sort of contains as a, uh, and it's really iranian to decide, or kinetic ping pong, if you will. and israel knows that it's cannot take your arms, no clear military program on. it's all, it cannot sustain an aerial attack. it does not have the munitions, nor the bombers to carry those issues. it can inflict a lot of damage that carries the uh, the danger of escalating this into the entire golf. and that is not something that donald trump, i think least, that is not something that donald trump is going to want to want. this is something that the stories, the car is the and we ronnie's a home in a warm hammock. number one, number 2. i look, he's not gonna, we, obviously this is all just 0 and we're all, we're all uh, naturally talking about them at least the middle east is not

a big preference. is not a priority, and it's not an urgent matter resolved. ukraine is taiwan. is north korea is unless he's being sucked into it, which by allow the us to be, but trump may not be so inclined. i'm used talking to care about much and and, and i know i'm saying this for the 3rd time whether it's really important in my lease, i think it's really important. the trunk is, is very impressionable, is more rather impressionable by the sorties that he's ever going to be minus 20 out a t z. his experiences with my tongue. i was manipulations of deception, a kind of a right to on a variety of issues that we don't have time to go and know that they might just want to pick up on that point. the saudi influence of the trump. i mean, what exactly will they want from him? a look, i think solid, the, now the commodity has invested itself again in

a 2 state solution. this problem, it could be adopted as, as there for causal. uh, you know, we'll try and be willing to push these really in that direction. i don't think so. um, so i don't think i'm gonna be much traction to kind of important to resolve or address in any permanent way. there is really costing an issue under the copper on the coming years. the salaries will want more security guarantees, which is actually basically what they were getting from from buying though it may be getting a little bit more deer, but they're not going to get the full package that they want. so i actually don't see a way a truck administration, radically changing the balance of power. and the reason you know, and the reason for coming off with a new wave of deals like we saw during the 1st or on the phone for the a brown record. mostly because guys that happened in between and i don't see any of

the country right now, winding up to sign a piece deal that is real, even if the trump tries to sweep and that. so i agree. i think we're love the you know, the general analysis of going to be more of the same and then yeah, i was going to sleep better at night. there will be some pressure, i think, particularly around the go on ice, possibly around northern does. uh oh, pushing for more supplements. we'll probably see you a ye uh trying to centralize a role in sort of in the, in the administration. i wouldn't be surprised if you hear a lot more about coming to atlanta and others. me to go. he's that you are e sort of bank 1st set of boston, and you're, he's been shot to me to come back to go back and try to govern guys up. but on the larger dynamics, i just don't see. it will have to wait to see who's going to who donald trump is going to stop the us, particularly on this one golf team, are they all going to be

a box? and between the sort of ideology of some of these thoughts and also is desire not to get, you know, bogged down and another major regional conflict will have to see, you know, how these are these end up suddenly? yeah. right, right. so if we can finish the discussion, talking about dancer, you test on this before and the rhetoric conditions that people have been facing the but some more than a year now, especially in the north, over the last months or so, which is just being besieged by is ready, bombardments, especially, and multiple attacks the dis, drums a re election. does that change anything for the people living in guns are right now? i mean, i think they probably, you know, it could always get worse. even though it's hard to imagine how things could get worse, but, you know, i think in the, in the geo political scheme of things. but my other pallets have been talking about the only, i mean trump likes winters. he doesn't like losers. this and yahoo started this war as a loser, and now he's re gain popularity. he's given

a major blow to the access to the rod to spell out. and so now maybe he's seen as a winner by tron. and so trop wants to go with that. if he wants to go with that, and the only thing i think that would change that dynamic of continuing to destroy guys or possibly eventually resettle guys, or whether israel does that or not. does it matter as well? defective controls, guys, and it's a big mess as far as what the day after is gonna look like. but the one thing that could change that calculus, which i disagreed to that extent with my name, is that sadie and trunk could decide that some kind of a plan that is off the abraham accords. that looks like a 2 state solution. but everybody understands is not a viable to state solution, could be put on the table. and that could be the one thing that would maybe change things and nothing else does. i think still want savvy normalization. so, so that could change the dynamic, but otherwise, you know, i don't see how trump is going to be a good for palestinians. good for, you know, any, any kind of stability in the region in that sense. but he has interest that could

change the way the by the industries and has approached israel's war. i'm positive, like so much of a trump presidency. we just don't know exactly how it is going to play out along the team. uh and my ref. thank you so much for joining us here on inside story. we really appreciate your time and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website. that's l just here, a dot com and for further discussion goes, well facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. l handle is at i. j. inside story for me. tell mccrae and whole team here. bye for now, the since he's whales, we'll run gaza thousands of the simians helping indiscriminately displaced. certainly forces are systematically targeting health care infrastructure,

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