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there's no limit to how far dream continue to study in your own adventure. now counter and we donald trump will return to the white house after a sweeping victory against vice president. campbell, i harris. so what will the 2nd trump presidency look like in what role for the democrats me to discuss the fall out of the 2020 for us presidential elections are christina greer, an associate professor of political science and american studies at fordham university . katie help or a journalist and host of the katie help her show. ryan grim reporter and co founder of drop site news, and m a. doyle, former white house of principal,

deputy chief of staff under the trump administration. good to see. well, i'm going to start with you. this is a historic come back. i mean, this race was projected to be close, but it wasn't that close, we saw a trunk tide overtake the united states. i mean, this was somewhat unforeseeable for many of us. you've got more than the necessary $270.00 electoral votes. he's favorite when all 7 swing states any set to be the 1st republican to win the popular vote more than 2 decades. wow, why does this happen? and i think the voters thought about what life was like for them under the 1st trouble ministration. i think if you turn off the news, you're not on twitter, you're not a, you know, inside the beltway or perpetually online vote, or you're thinking about the economy and you're thinking specifically about the cost of living. and you've seen for years of comma harris in not in the white house, but in the administration as vice president. and for years of donald trump as president, comparing those 2. if you liked the way your life felt personally under the,

for under the trump administration, you're pulling the lever for trump again. how do you make sense of that against the backdrop of your life under trump, being just cold with this pandemic, there's somewhat levels of economic collapse on dividing. some would argue the county was stronger in stock market look stronger, things look stronger. uh, how do people make sense of this idea that life under trump was better? and what kind of person makes that? i think that the pandemic took place sort of out of time for a lot of voters. i think 20202021. if you're to ask most voters, how much of that was donald trump, how much of that was nearby and i think it blurs together and people were living in a very strange had space for it for that amount of time. so i think, i don't know that either administration really gets blame or credit for the kobe to years specifically. i think people are thinking, when i think people think about donald trump, they're thinking about 20182019. they're thinking about no new foreign wars. they're thinking about record low unemployment. that's my theory. i think that's

what motors are thinking about when they picture a trump administration. not maybe, you know, june of 2021st thing. let me turn you. how are you making sense of this? how do this type of loss happen for couple hours? well, we know that all democratic voters and not voters go to the polls based on economic issues. and often times, democratic presidents have to clean up the messes of republican president to give to experts, to their friends, and destroy that social safety net. and so in a post trump post cobit presidency, the bi harris administration had a heavy lift in this particular race for coming here as a short one. at that, she had to make the case, you know, sometimes running as an incumbent and a new come or that the current state of the economy, even though it was getting better, still felt differently than did under the trump administration. and obviously a woman's right to choose and reproductive justice in a financial spectrum, mattered a lot to the democratic party policy initiatives and thinking about what health

care would look like for women and families. those are much larger conversations that the democratic party was trying to have with the american public. and clearly the type of populism that donald trump sales type of white supremacy, the donald trump sales is still very attractive. and so there was a lot of, there was a lot of hope that, that this country had taken our turn. and clearly it hasn't. if you look at the data that's still coming out getting, what did you think after you saw the results? i mean, just for years after he attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, we say that's trump victory. what are you surprised by? and i wasn't that surprised. i think that the argument about this being an existential threat and trump being a fascist, was a bit undermined by democrats refusal to change tracks on gaza. they knew the world knew from pulling that that would have been a popular thing to do and seeing them refused to budge at all. st. cromwell harris

refused to budget all from biden's position, which was very unpopular with the bass while claiming that trunk was this x, a central fascist threat. i think i kind of was the less than convincing. but i also think that as a previous guest said, people vote for bread and butter issues. and i don't think that the harris campaign really addressed those issues. i don't think that anyone can think of any policies or, or slogans that she was using or memorable signature issues. and i think that that's really what in large part depressed the base, ryan harris had a different time table than most nominee. and she had basically 3 months to campaign of to buy and dropped out of the rates are step that of the race in july. you should do enough to distinguish yourself. clearly, not democrats shows the one person who, who had the hardest time distancing herself from the number one, because she was the number 2 that was a choice, like they chose her once they chose her. but i hadn't even told her and said

publicly, i understand that she is going to be critical at times of what we didn't just gonna present her own path forward. she decided not to do it. one of the things that people were so frustrated about uh, when it came to the 2021 price hikes was the price of overs unless it takes a chunk out of people. the only thing she could do is go after corporate greed. she starts doing that then she is told by tony west her brother in law, not to do that anymore. tony west is the top lawyer for over. it's absurd. yeah, that's the democratic party. and they set themselves up to fail. i'm even wondering when tony west went into the about the human vote for a while now you probably did because he'd like to sit here in the white house because then he's in the oval office all the time. but he was actively sabotaging her campaign whether he knew it or not. and the problem with democrats is that they

have those people in their inner circle and they listen to them. the only way that she could argue that she was gonna do something different. vine was that she's gonna go after corporate reading and prices down started doing it, and then, and stop or, or, and guides, or, i mean, if she can do that too, there's several issues that she could like. what else could i separate myself on? well, is there anything where his approval rating is like 20 is handling of israel palestine? i mean, it seems like the right now, am i going to say no it, i don't know. i would have thought that there would have been more fear about a 2nd. trump presidency that would have translated into more bullets for harris. not even if people, even if people were not infused about harris, they may have just said, hey, this trump thing may not be so good the 2nd time around. i mean, he's openly expressed admiration for dictators. he's a spouse violent and author or 3rd, terry and rhetoric. he said that he would rule like a dictator on day one. but only on day one, only the only thing i mean,

the grateful one to out violate the principles of american democracy. just to start things off, get the ball rolling. then we'll get back to the old thing that you worked on to trump, from the 1st trumpet ministration. or are you at all concerned about what the 2nd top administration might look like? well, 1st of all, i want to respond to part of what you said there. and i think something i found really interesting was the washington posted some polling on, on undecided voters in spring of this year. and what they found was, when you asked the question, do you care about protecting democracy? a lot of those voters actually broke for trump. and i think the reason for that is that phrase means different things to different voters. if you're a progressive vote or a democratic voter, that probably means i'm concerned about trump changing the structures of u. s. government or using a dormitory language. but if you're a conservative vote or libertarian voter and decided vote, or it might mean i'm concerned about the weapon ization of the department of justice. i'm concerned about the governments uh, you know, that they were receptive to the message that trump says when he says i'm,

they're coming after me because i'm fighting for you. so i think that that phrase that we saw in polling of protecting democracy, cuts different ways for different voters. and if you went into the selection, assuming that quite a well pro democracy, voters are inherently, here's voters, you're surprised this week to see the outcome. i am i concerned about a 2nd term term? i look back at the 1st term and say, i'm not. i think that he uses a lot of language that appeals to people who come out to his rallies. and when he's actually been in government, i've seen it firsthand, he's asked me, you know, can we do this? and i've come back and said that we've looked into it. the answer is no, that's not legal. and he says, okay, then we're not doing it. he never says, how can we get around that? how could we sniggle this? not in my experience. wow. i find that hard to believe. i mean, he came into government without a strong, you know, a political history or sense of what government can and can't do. so i do think he asked the question, what can government do a little more frequently than, you know, president bush or somebody is growing up in a political dynastic family and been around politics their whole life. he generally

doesn't know he's not looking for it. yes, he wants to know that you know how government works. yeah. which is probably before the president of the united states. but that's, that's another question for another type of christina, a preliminary exit polls show the truck made inroads among black and latino men. a record high number of latino men voted for trump and trump doubled his share of young black male voters. the support was particularly significant when you look at like the battleground states. i mean, it really was a difference maker. but how do you make sense of this trend among males of color? but why does that happen? right, so when i did focus groups, what i found really interesting was that so many young men, black men in particular blamed campbell, a harris for some of the failures of the brock obama pressed into years. and so he promised them x, y, and z. he didn't deliver and so she wouldn't deliver. so i think that there's the baked in democratic punishment that we saw there. and i mean, let's be clear, there's also some baked insides needed for men and women across the board. we can't

deny that this is still america and it's only 2024. so, you know, where as far as latino voters, there are a lot of folks who don't believe his rhetoric as far as the protections and you know, and trying to camps they don't think that they will be affected. they do like the promises of this economic freedom, an economic topic populism that donald trump espouses. and so in battle, ground states where he had it taken time, you know, and let's be clear. black men did not overwhelmingly vote for donald trump. he had made some inroads into the previous point. you know, when donald trump 1st collect the 1st time and he had unified government and didn't know how to use it was try to use executive orders for muslim band. and he's literally asked me questions because he doesn't know that is true. but i think that 1st term he's chasing the joint. the 2nd term he's got more of the landmarks of the world, more billionaire class behind g d bands. we have a specific agenda and they know that they might have a small time timeframe the 1st 2 years for the mid terms to actually do some really damaging things. not just about women and reproductive rights, but education,

the environment. so many policy issues. but donald trump didn't really think about the 1st term, is that time to think about in ways to punish people in cities, in particular, who didn't agree with him? katie, what do you think? yeah, i mean, i think that the issue of foreign wars, you know, trump, whether or not it's, it's an sir, he certainly presented himself both times as the anti war candidate. and as someone who's going to train the stop and then he didn't train this off. but i also, i think that people have a lot of fatigue about feeling like they are government is spending money and resources to fight in wars abroad that don't protect americans and that they're not spending money here to protect them. and i think another thing that we have to remember is there's a lot of focus from pundits who are very close to the democrats on how people, uh, switch to trump. but there's not going to be a lot of reflection on why so many democrats stayed home,

and i think we can understand why i think now the democrats nor their allies and the media, want to look at that. they want to blame people for switching. the trump, instead of looking at how many of their base stayed home, because if they looked at that they'd have to reckon with what they did, did not get their base out. right. what's your take on this? like a couple points on this and curious where your guys take on it, but the, the non mainstream media space is now, maybe it's half the countries like media environment like joe rogan, all of that pod cast and youtube world. katie, katie, myself. you know, we're reaching maybe half or more of the country at this point. and if you go into any kind of gender male gendered spaces that otherwise wouldn't be politically coded sports uh, video games like health and wellness stuff. you know, to the end of that a lot now, body building or all of the influencers, who are doing content around that stuff. you are now becoming coated republican and

right wing and are presenting right wing ideas through they're like so they're talking about video games that are talking about body building. but if you're doing a 3 hour stream, you're going to talking about the news the day. and the way that they talk about the news is generally right wing. i'm you broke and went from kind of a left wing center left guide. so like endorsing trump. this year and, and you know, people will call in a white supremacist or something. i bet i got half his audiences non white. and there's just no left wing competitions, no center left or center left as the pod, se browse, but they're not the same. it was the radio, there was, there was like air america, which was like this much in the dollars by name went bankrupt and yeah, yeah. and so, and so i think those things go together. i think in, in denver, in democratic spaces as for like 10 years and the 2010s are so you really couldn't say anything nice about boys or man without getting asked what wire like entering

into problematic territory. yeah. like the men and boys mail became coded as problematic and, and young young men picked up on that and then like will fine then what does it does it, does it track with you with the i've been trying to figure out how a certain populations are getting these messages and kind of normalizing them. and what i'm hearing ryan say is mediaspace, as for example, are an opportunity. how are right wing messages getting to these new demographics? yeah, i think, i think, right, that's right. i think there, i think the landscape has changed the way people get their news has changed. and we've, we've known this for awhile now. right. the people aren't sitting at home watching the evening news. i'm hearing one perspective and then switching the channel and changing, you know, and no longer taking in news or political content. it's coming in lots of different ways. i think especially with somebody like donald trump, who is so ubiquitous, any american cultural landscape and has been for so long. i think that's something we forget a lot in political circles. you go back to the eighty's and just what

a has that. yeah, and he's like, he's on every magazine cover. um, his weddings are covered, his affairs are covered like he's just been around in such a way that he sort of seats into the american consciousness in a way that i think would be very hard for it for any other candidate on the right or the left to um, to, to imitate or try to, to capture in the same way. so he's, he's in those spaces because he's in the national conversation in a, in a way that's very different from anybody else. i'm not sure anybody can replicate it. there's only one trump. yeah. that's for sure. uh it could. uh, katy uh, media trust has hit a historic low for at a 10 americans they, they completely lack trust in the media. how do we get there? but more importantly, for this conversation, how does trump benefit from that? yeah, i think that that's a really good question. i mean, i think that the, the media has been very a, everyone knows that fox news has an agenda, right. they don't hide that. but i think now people say the same thing with m. s m b c, m s, n, b c would like to think it's different from fox. and i think you could argue that

there's probably more veracity in some cases on m. s m, b c. but not in all cases. i think that it's very clear that the, the media is kind of in bed with, with the 2 political parties. and the thing about trump is that, say what you will about him. one of his cons to legs up, i would say is that there is no expectation of any consistency from him. and that gives him a huge advantage because he can call up peoples topography and it sticks. but no one expects him not to be hypocritical, because he never really pretends to be principled in any consistent way. which means that he can't get called out for being a hypocrite because none of his supporters care when the progress of democrats looks hypocritical. where's the popularity of donald trump doesn't really look type of credit because it's kind of based into who he is. and so you have him calling outcome le harris for courting and running around with live cheney. and even though donald trump has said that israel needs to finish the job, he gets to call out the chaise for their legacy in

a rack and being anti arab and anti muslim. and now another thing about trump that i think we have to remember is he is both a pathological liar, but he also can be a radical, i don't mean this in a very positive way, like a real truth teller, very disruptive. so going back to the issue of palestine, i remember during his debate with joe biden, joe biden lied and said that only him off want to keep fighting. israel wants to stop fighting. and donald trump is like, what are you talking about? the 1st israel wants to keep fighting and they should finish the job, which is this phenomenon i liked the call. who said it a trump r. chomsky which is when they come from says something that that john fee could have said like calling out israel for wanting war except the take away is different or the same thing with of course we want the oil in syria or course we're not going to sanction saudi arabia over ca, shogi because they just bought a bunch of weapons. so i think people also really resonate with that. this is another critical, i think turning point in the election. i'm gonna go to christy 1st. that would

bring you back in. okay. people were dissatisfied with jo biden's response to october 7. in fact, they were outraged by it rain from dissatisfied to outreach. and when talking with harris enters the scene, she had the opportunity to do something different. and i think that at every turn, she echoed the language of bite. and how much did the guys, the invasion and the genocide in guise of affect her not just the, the, the act itself but her response to it? absolutely. so, you know, one is someone who is the honor and privilege of teaching young people. i mean, this is something that they care deeply about. and so unfortunately, that is 0 and pound center. so to put in the far left corner of democratic party policies in what people care about. and so i think the couple of harris strategy with stripe, we think about politics as a distribution curve. she, her campaigns that, well, let's try and capture all these people in the center. and so is young people and

people care about that that's or israel cup got a conversation. and paulson and level not written large are saying, why are we moving to the center to say the list changes of the world, and are we going to stay there? and so there are 2 conversation that needs we had. who do you want to be an opposition? and so democrats were saying, well, eventually, if we get in, you'll be in opposition to us and there was wiggle room and we can have a conversation. because donald trump, you know, you just need to be the last person to bring, to flatter him. and he'll say, what is, whatever he needs to say. but by ignoring the base by catering to a certain lobbyist or certain past policies and politics of the by inherits administration, there was a real last opportunity. and i think, as the democrats spend the next 4 years re evaluating what happened in this particular campaign. we know that if you're trying to get that the center of the distribution curve, you cannot ignore the base part of the base or people who care deeply about palestine and love it on. there also people black women who cared deeply about being at the table for all these marietta issues because we're very diverse,

ideologically. and so this is sort of running a quad like 20162020 campaign in the 2024 space and into point that was made. you know, a lot of people echo. and donald trump are asking, why are we spending money on something that i don't agree with a lot of tax money, billions upon billions of dollars, things. i don't like my public school. i've got titles and my street affordable housing isn't here. and so these are, i mean have international method conversation, that's a great point. ryan, as the party has a base that's asking for x. and it seemed that the democratic response in this cycle was to move to the right event based. yeah. well, you know, what's, what lessons learned from that and in some aggressive ways. you remember when she went to michigan and she met with our american voters there. and they, and a lot of them told it deeply poignant and moving stories about their family members being slaughtered in either 11 on or, or in gaza. and her,

her response was to this crowd that she had come out to try to lou was, well, what we all have to remember is that the greatest tragedy it was october 7th and then goes into some fabricated stuff about october 7th and then some real stuff about october, something long. talk about october. second. okay. everyone gets october 7th bad. but did you, did you have to fly to michigan and respond to us telling stories of our loved ones being slaughtered by telling us about october 7th, which was now more than a year ago. so it is, they weren't, they were just quite simply unwilling to do anything. and we do republicans, bank on democrats and making these kinds of preventable airs. i don't think we did this time around. i think there was a concerted effort to make sure you're reaching as many voters as possible because it was so close. i don't think anybody was sitting around going well they're,

they're really budging. this role out. i think a lot of people were very nervous when the candidates, which happens that there was so much initial, immense him around connell harris and a real question of how much the voters care about what she says versus care about having a democratic president who looks like they can stay awake past 2 pm. i think that was a really, was a real sense of that in the republican side of the aisle of okay, the democrats felt they could, they can beat donald trump with anybody who wasn't job. i didn't, i don't think we've seen that. well, you know, and they're gonna have to learn that less than kate on the last word here. new democrats move forward with any lessons learned like when they next time around, i don't know. listen to the base. absolutely not, i mean that's what so scary about this. i don't think they will. and you see, you know, morning joe and al sharpton. their take away was that um uh, black man or massage. and this and mx and latino voters are um, racist. also,

you see a lot of the pundits, we not distinguishing between latinos as in the people who are here, who are born here, versus people who are undocumented. they're kind of all put in this monolith and no one who knows what they're talking about when it comes to the, their politics. and the other thing is that you see people on m as nbc saying that the problem was that. com la harris was too progressive and you people, you see people saying that on cnbc, no, she didn't do anything progressive. i mean, she ran away from her progressive policies from before. but that i bring those things up to show that the democrats and the media lead to protect them and enable them are looking to not have to deal with the mistake, but the democrats made. and that's, i think, the scariest thing of all because what the democrats are doing is just going to keep enabling more from being candidates. and they are not going to learn the lessons. and again, they, they showed the world that they would rather continue with genocide. then defeat

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