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hello welcome to the program until mccray across the united states leading democrats. so looking at how and why they lost significant ground in the presidential election some uh, blaming presidential binding for the fate to a couple of harris who only had 4 months to run her campaign. and the list of critiques is long from now dropping out of the rice sooner to a disconnection with working class and mail versus at the polls, the economy, the walls in ukraine and guns and the surgeon illegal immigration who played a role. so what does this mean for the democratic policy, and will this decisive defeat full size to reassess some of its policies? will explode these issues without guests. and just a moment that this, this report from katia, look his hold of you on as a career politician, joe biden has served as he was president, vice president, and a long time senator. now it seems his legacy will become tied to donald trump's re election. on january 20, you will have

a peaceful transfer of power here in america running as a presidential candidate. it seems millions of us voters will come over here is didn't do enough to separate herself from biden's policies. analysts say she lost millions of undecided voters following an interview on a us morning function, which we have done something differently than president biden. during the past 4 years, us as there is done a thing that comes to mind and that became a growing issue, despite a strong economy and lowered inflation to invite his presidency. millions of people said they were living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to make ends meet. and the reality is when it comes to those economic indicators, the voters feel not the ones that are talked about on, you know, financial news programs and take home pay was reduced. you know, gas prices are higher home energy prices are higher

and many blaine, the bite and administration for a record breaking search and illegal immigration across its southern border abroad . his administration port billions of dollars into israel's war on garza, as well as financial support for ukraine as it finds the russia policies that also frustrated folders. i will never apologize for defending america. i will protect co workers. democrats were hoping trumps mounting legal troubles and the capital values 3 years ago with lead voters to harris. they were approved wrong at the polls. so though, ultimately highlighting cracks and democrats messaging, particularly with working class and mail folders. i think everybody's tried to do all of his hand wringing and understanding of why the democrats lost them in the end do is because they weren't catered to the people that matter, that the people that were actually the voters now faced with defeat, democrats are reassessing. what went wrong under biden,

and whether the party will need to redirect its course, katia, little bits of the yen, ultra 0 for insights story. ok, let's bring it out. yes. now in san francisco, stevens and is a professor of politics in the founding chair with me at least in studies at the university of san francisco. in brunswick, combine andrew rudy live which thomas brack read, professor of government at burden college and what all. and scott lucas is a professor of international politics at the clinton institute university college dublin. thank you so much for being with us here on inside story today. plenty to get through, because everyone's filled with the selection was going to be extraordinarily close . it wasn't from one. overwhelmingly, stephen, if we can start with you plenty of hand wringing going on by the democrats. how much of the blinds that harris lose and can be lied at the face of joe biden?

a very much so i think that the invited was really pretty tons us, i think, to a lot of concerns that ordinary americans had a. he was very much from the centers wing of the party of come an old style that i was not in touch with. the fact that the that the united states is falling behind many countries in terms of meeting the basic needs of people. we do not have universal healthcare that most a countries have. we don't have the social safety net overall public transportation and housing does not get the kind of support it does. the most advanced industrialized countries as a result. when you know, when, when things are tied, people don't, don't have as much to fall back on that to you and, and, and similarly, he alienated many people in the left wing of the party in special ed, and especially young people, as well as av americans. and, and those items because there's continued support for genocide,

a war in gaza. and not only did that lead to more people supporting a minor party candidates, but they have voter enthusiasm. the, they're kind of a campaign support the army of young people that come out and go to door to door. i was reduced as, as a result. so i think that combination of things inmate made it very difficult for harris uh to uh, to, to really or to next to folks. and in part because the dilemma of being a sitting vice president is that you can't really separate yourself too far from the sitting president without signed seeing this oil and divisive impact on about only for vice presidents and even at tried in the past 150 years and 3 of the mos now for. yeah, and andrew, do you think that your bottom will be remembered as, as the person who vanquished donald trump in 2020, and ended his own election campaign for the good of the country and the policy?

or will it be remembered as a one to in president for basically set up the democrats for 5? you well, i think we have a similar situation in 2020, and 24. and at least one respect, which is that an unpopular incumbent lost both a license of just happens to donald trump is in 2020, and i'm popular incumbent. and in 2024. he is the agent of change. and despite his record as president, that was a pretty quickly forgiven, frankly, even by voters who didn't like him for years earlier, they looked at him not as an officer more happily, he didn't wind. overwhelmingly, i've just put it back on that point a little bit. swing state by swing state. these are one to percentage margins. so it is when it's going to be 30, slightly larger than it was in 2016 about the same scale biden's in 2020. we don't think of those as mandate elections per se, but certainly the swing was broad enough and you can do have to, i think, a look at the, the leak decision by present,

by the not to run again in sort of the inheritance. therefore, the vice president harris has unable really to separate herself from an unpopular incumbent, fairly or not. he is certainly unpopular about 40 percent approval ratings. and you know, as you showed on your clip, she didn't do a very good job of separating herself from that administration, whether she could have or not open question. but i think biden's legacy is going to be one where you had a chance maybe to sort of vanquish trump is i'm but wasn't able to do that. i guess everything is much easier in hindsight to try and assess exactly. uh, we had campbell of harris and you a button fell short when it came to retaining the white house is scott, when it comes to assessing biden's time in office the last 4 years. i mean, how difficult is it going to be to actually sit right facts from a little of the misinformation that has been put out there by donald trump and says allies it, can you just explain the perception verse the reality of,

of what he's managed to achieve and his time in office since you're going straight to that fax versus perception difficulty already. by the way, a lot of this debate is being frame. uh, you know, we can talk about the facts of a bind administration. which having inherited a, a hi economy in crisis and a country in crisis. and that's the panda. and that's the attempt to co, donald trump in 2021. and we can talk about the fact that yes, inflation went up to 9 percent in 2022. but as you dealt with supply chain shocks, as you dealt with other compromises in the global economy, because of the company that you dealt with, rising energy prices. but you can say 2020 for the inflation been brought down to 2.4 percent. and the federal reserve also impressed certainly, and bought it a soft landing out of that period. you can talk about the fact that a g p is growing at 3.5 percent of which many countries in europe within that you

can talk about the fact that on employment for the search lowest rate since 19 sixty's while recognizing the questions, what types of jobs, do you have an economy? is an ongoing concern you can talk about all of the legislation problem. i'll shoot you a few questions. license is 1960 that was passed by the government ministration. so which will filter through now in terms of us subtraction from years from across the strong vice for lead back to the infrastructure bill to the trip side to the sun down. berkeley built that better for bringing economy, trying to expand obamacare and for trying to deal with issues such as education and housing. now, you know how that solve the of americans problem. definitely not. but the argument here is that, you know, it was arguably trying to make a difference in making significant efforts in an economy versus a truck administration that had actually damaged it. but facts versus perception is

what matters. let me just give you the new, fresh one second. so hang the 6 the despite all of the, all of his achievements, he wasn't able to sell that to the american people and, and he was deeply unpopular about, well before he dropped out of the rice. now and again, i think you have to talk about the fact that part of this is a communication question. uh and that part of it was the failure of bite and indeed heroes to communicate effectively measuring problems. the part of it is, however, a very damage. here are many americans will get their news from outlets. that in fact are just simply there to bash, you know, a certain part of the american electric, the century on the left. in other words, they're right wing pro shop college and they weren't gonna give any pausing to spend to buying the heroes. but even the mainstream a to try to play both sides quite all this. i'll give you that quick example very quickly. if you're talking about immigration in 2024. well 1st of all, integration search from 2019 to 2001 to which you know, span the trump and bind periods. mm hm. in 2024 on documented integration across

the us, mexico border is down 77 percent. but how often would you have for the, in the american media when the, the international media in the last few weeks. so even if we can come to you just staying on the economy, we'll get to into in the immigration issue in just a moment, but when it comes to the economy, when scott the outlines a number of buttons achievements over the last 4 years. do you think he'll be remembered for those when it comes to his legacy? i think academics probably will because these are 6 are pretty straightforward, are pretty clear. it wasn't very successful presidency in that regard. but unfortunately, a, a, as was noted, the media environment in this country is dominated by the far right to outlets. that happened to be a logical agenda. there was the problem of a bots from russia and others who were, who are putting our thoughts information on the,

on social media in the main stream. media trying to be balanced. he's, when the, the facts were pretty solidly on, on one side and, and, and this is right, this is rather disturbing, or that the, that things have come to this level. i mean, the one hand of the united states as one of the most highly educated populations in the world. however, there is this kind of loaner ability to very superficial entity, logically driven analysis that you know, that makes the democratic party, which is a very centrist party, by european and most a nation's standards appear to be far left. and the republican party, which has now been taken over by far right nationalist, very similar to the, the, the, the far right pop, pop, pop a powers. but we, we do see in europe as a minority to, to, to come across as main stream. and so i think that and that will certainly

a change of the way that americans will see the, the, the buying presidency and the, and the 2 party system during this period. it will mean, but all the candidates must have americans and you have fraction, especially the media is when it comes to america and the amount of misinformation and this information that was going to be spewed out through the selection that was all known well ahead of time why wasn't harrison bottom, why were they able to convince america that the, the company was actually getting bid around the, under their administration. andrew, why when they are able to cap through to the people in the same way that donald trump did so successfully? the yeah, it's the polarization that my colleagues have makes in 2 years intriguing. it's going to work the trucks benefit very shortly. i suspect that on january 21st, he will declare that the place is vanquished, and in fact, the economy is the envy of the world. he solve the problems already, and you'll see a big switch in republicans who think the economy is terrific,

and some number of democrats will think that suddenly it's also great as well. we tend to see even facts in this country at the moment through a party colored lens. is tricky. and i think part of the issue providing was that, you know, he did pass right. a very big coverage stimulus act at the beginning of his ministration that you know, didn't boost of people's paychecks. but that faded and certainly by 2024 people. forgotten about it or sort of rolled into the prior stimuli as well. uh, the inflation reduction act, which was the sort of version of build back battery that made it through. congress again has a huge amount of money for investment in green energy and other infrastructure combined with the sort of other physical infrastructure investments passed by cars . but those haven't actually hit the ground in many cases yet. so again, these, there's a lot of money in the pipeline, almost the literal pipeline in some cases, again, hasn't really affected people's lives. trump didn't play very well. i thought on

the fact that, you know, he got kind of a pass for the economic collapse of 2020. nobody blamed him for that. that was a world wide pandemic. i won't say nobody and how we managed it certainly is blameworthy in regards. but uh, you know, again looking back, people thought, oh, gas prices were low. that was trumps to trumps credit. but the fact that gas prices were low because the economy had crater, you know, you didn't get blame for that. and, you know, the campaign certainly played up those issues in ways that i thought the, you know, did resonate with people who had this sort of uh, yeah. again, retrospective, uh, you know, past memories of the trumpet, ministration as being rather more successful perhaps. and it was, and of course that's combined with a, a big tran ship of trump, fans who never given up in word boozy aspect about his return as we saw in the primary season. yeah, it certainly feels like a lot of people have short memories when it comes to looking back at trumps for

fiscal years in office. i mean bernie sanders as well as many others. scott, have it basically said trump one because democrats have banded working. class people do, i mean, do you agree with that sentiment? because we did here in the story that played at the very beginning of this program, that when people are sitting around the kitchen table, it's really they vote on how they feel. now i was off now than they were a few years ago, and the majority of people said that they aren't doing as well as they were when trump was present, rightly or wrongly. that's how they feel. well, i think we're in a period right now as happens with any party that loses an election and especially in a critical time like america has that you're going to get a lot of uh, self flagellation. and you're going to get a lot of sniping with. yeah, and that is going to be framed. i think it's part of the central verse as well. now i think there are, there is round to talk about how much further america should go in terms of health care. steven has pointed out how much folder it should go in terms of extending

that social net. and of course, we haven't even discuss 4 policy. how much further the by the ministration should have done to adopt a more progressive view. not progressing nothing. so saving lives in gaza, but i think to an extent to sanders is difficult washing out a bit as much as find hierarchy. sanders. he was there through the buying in ministration as it passed this legislation. he has been there, of course, through the obama and by him ministrations as you did get a for kara, which needs to be expanded, but at least you got obama care. he has been there when you try to help working class americans come out of the pen done it. so i think it's a little bit unfair to say that the administration didn't do anything to help or few people. could they do more, should they do more? absolutely, but actually part of a constructive discussion going forward rather than wanting to try to rip off the democrats in the center versus left. oh, okay. so you're gonna wanna go back to 2022. because

a poll found in that only 26 percent of democrats wants a job bonded to run again. yet as we know, he still did. i mean, could all of this have been avoided if the democratic leaders at that time actually stood up to him sooner and say, we don't think that you should run for a 2nd to him and actually have an open primary to choose the right candidates take on donald trump, i would have probably felt, i think, done on the one hand, the american election, the season is ridiculously long. uh, in any case, i mean to say it was only 4 months. i mean, most of our emetrius systems are election campaigned is maybe 6 weeks remote, so it's not the link to per se, but i think perhaps it some that thing would have been helpful in terms of it. people being able to express their, their preferences of the candidates and, and more discussion of policies where people will, would have been able to distance themselves, perhaps a more from biden's unpopular policies. and, you know, there would have been

a sense of more sense of ownership. i guess you could say of the candidate instead of the fact of a selection of the unpopular incumbents of vice president. and so, yes i, i do believe that he should have stepped aside the sooner that was certainly the wishes. you know, the majority of, of, of democrats and it is in popularity on a whole number of levels from his age a to the, to do the guys of war and other things they made of his vice president vulnerable. yeah, i want to get onto the counselor went out because obviously that is such had such a huge impact here in the middle east, but also right around the world and potentially from what we're hearing and seeing in the voting. when it came to paris. $33000.00 people, a didn't guys that i mean the tension in the entire region is, is at a level that we haven't seen in a long, long time by didn't spend billions of dollars in military. i given military i to is

ro. and you can just give us an idea of what you think buttons, vegas, so we legacy will be when it comes to the middle east, especially to gaza. yeah, well i don't think there was any question that after the hamas attacks and october 7th the, the, the us would come strongly to the defensive israel at that point. right as the, the war has gone on. i think there have been high expectations that the us would be able to use this leverage funding. what have you to uh, to n. thanks. right. to rein industry on more than spain will do. i think that's always been something of a misconception. the idea that the us with direct is rarely behavior, especially when you have a prime minister there who is fighting his own domestic political battles in ways that lead him towards i think, often extreme behavior and thought helpful to the wider resolution of these. and the reason i buy them, you know, has long experience, you know,

in us foreign policy. and i think he has struggled somewhat of you know, to serve himself in this regard. i mean, this more is not the united states fall, the warranty crane. it's not the united states, followed by and got tired with it somehow. i think maybe there's a sort of perception back in 2021. right. the withdrawal from afghanistan was a trump policy negotiated directly with the towel. then a actually sidelining the actual asked in government to do so. uh, binding though, actually agreed with the idea of withdrawing. but when the us did, of course it was chaotic and the media reaction and data stand by the taliban research and has been to crack down on human rights. and the reaction here has been largely negative to that. so the sort of veneer products in foreign policy, i think the more off for relatively quickly and his term. and again, i think us has been, you know, buffeted. so what i think in terms of ukraine of fine is actually from my

perspective, done the right thing has been extremely supportive of, of the cranes government trying to funnel weapons and money. and you know, i suspect present trunk when he returns, often as will not be so supportive. he's talked about ending the war in a day, which presumably means a line right for that have what? but he too will be, i think, even more supportive of israel than by and has been. and so i think those on the left and the last who held their noses refused to vote for the vice president on the basis of her position or binds position. and guys that are going to have a rude awakening with regards to what happens there under the scope that has been the criticism of button because it seems like there's been a, a failure to hold. benjamin netanyahu back at old lemon is no ceasefire agreement despite an engineer blinking coming to the region, maybe 11 or 12 times, i think it is now there's no to say to agreement with further away from any sort of cx, 5 deal. then we'd be enormous in the entire 13 months of the war has been going on

. i mean, how well joe biden, as many people blame him for allowing this in yahoo to do what ever he wants when it comes to gaza. and now what we're seeing and living on as well i to be precise. i think the buying the ministration pursued the tactics of trying to contain the yahoo. by 14 working with other is really leaders in the board cabinet. brittany, josh. the defense transferred you over to launch and it didn't work. you know, benny josh locked in. may, you know a lot was fired by netanyahu on your election day. oh yeah. you know, so the fact the matter is, is the, i think the by ministration should've been much struck on that. they should have cut military age. they didn't do it. i think it was a time for the state, but i want to look for it a little bit because i think this will go beyond job. i'm. i think what we have to

realize here is, is that as jar productive as the vinyl coach was, that you now have donald trump, who told me that yahoo on the phone a few weeks ago, do what you have to do here is probably set the bye to ministration was to we can support here as well. so even as he faces domestic pressure in his role, even as he faces that prospect, that if you ever stop the war, you face is legal and political jeopardy that yahoo has a blank check from the incoming trump administration to go even far. ringback in the killing, whether that's in love or not, but i think it will continue to happen in java. and so now the blood on people's hands, if you want to talk about it, it will be blood on trumps. and this is whether he'll be held to account like binding was. that's an open question. yeah, he's right. no secret trump has made no secret of his support of newton yahoo! and as well as saving just before we go it, can you just give us an idea or a sense of with this it leaves the democratic party. what are they going to do after all the hand reading and soul searching is i have

a way to like go next. i think they really need to heal their divisions because they are really pretty strong. i mean, 80 percent of democrats, for example, wanted to suspend the military aid to israel. and whereas the, the, the vitamin ministration, vice president harris, the democratic platform kept saying that this a was iron clad. they would not make it conditional. we're staying in other areas where there seems to be a degree of tone deaf nessa to where a lot of ordinary democrats are coming from. but the, the pressure from the funders, the pressure from the mainstream media is oh, you have to be more centrist. but the way, the only way to fight right wing populism is left wing populace a going to, to the center does just the opposite. and that the, the, the, the never had party really does. i think need to be more, you know, you know, the sensitive the 2 is working class days to the young voters whose support they're

going to, to need going further than that, the new new generation. and to really recognize that you know, that they, they, that, that the, the issues that are, that concern americans are not going to be those by, by this kind of cautious moderation. but the kind of excitement that could bring people for get back into the fold and move things forward. so you're going to see, you know, a lot of battles between those who have different interpretations of, of where to go next. but, but my sense is that there really does need to be a great or sensitive support for social justice, for human rights for international law. you know, for the, for the kinds of a forward looking progress. so that makes the united states less of an international outlier account just in terms of is, will the other things, but the one does more tune to the needs of people at home. unfortunately, we're out of time, but thank you so much. just even andrew and scott, we really do appreciate your input and insight into into this and,

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