decades of talking, but little action is all about distraction, create confusion to create smoking mirrors, the shocking truth about how the climate debate has been systematic, except for just the oil industry. was a main bank roller or opposition. the climate act, the campaign against the climate to do success, the bad thing most you to have different spheres? absolutely. on, on, just even with didn't joe biden fail from the economy to integration and rules and ukraine and the middle east. the outgoing us presidents is widely said to have the cheese to little. so what went wrong and where does that leave with democratic policy? this is inside story, the hello welcome to the program until mccray across the united states leading

democrats. so looking at how and why they lost significant ground and the presidential election, some of blaming presidential bond and for the fate to a couple of harris who only had 4 months to run her campaign. and a list of critiques is long from not dropping out. of the rice are now to a disconnection with working class and mailboxes, as opposed to the economy. the was a new crying, and garza and the search and illegal immigration who played a role. so what does this mean for the democratic policy, and will this decisive defeat full size to reassess some of its policies? will explode these issues without guests. and just a moment that this, this report from katia locked his hold of you on as a career politician, joe biden has served as he was president, vice president, and a long time senator. now it seems his legacy will become tied to donald trump's re election. on january 20, you will have a peaceful transfer of power here in america running as

a presidential candidate. it seems millions of us voters will come over here is didn't do enough to separate herself from biden's policies. analysts say she lost millions of undecided voters following an interview on a us morning function, which we have done something differently than president biden. during the past 4 years, and there has done a thing that comes to mind and that became a growing issue. despite a strong economy and lowered inflation to invite his presidency. millions of people said they were living paycheck to paycheck and struggling to make ends meet. and the reality is when it comes to those economic indicators, the voters feel not the ones that are talked about on, you know, financial news programs and take home pay was reduced. you know, gas prices are higher home energy prices are higher

and many blaine, the bite and administration for a record breaking search and illegal immigration across its southern border is abroad. his administration poured billions of dollars into israel's war on gaza, as well as financial support for ukraine. has it fights of russia policies that also frustrated folders. i will never apologize for defending america. i will protect co workers. democrats were hoping trumps mounting legal troubles and the capital values 3 years ago with lead voters to harris. they were approved wrong at the polls though, ultimately highlighting cracks and democrats messaging. particularly with working class and mail folders. i think everybody's tried to do all of his hand wringing and understanding of why the democrats lost them in the end. it was because they weren't catered to the people that matter, that the people that were actually the voters. now faced with defeat, democrats are reassessing. what went wrong under biden,

and whether the party will need to redirect its course, katia a little bit. so again, i will do 0 for insights. story. ok, let's bring it out. guess now in san francisco, stevens and is a professor of politics in the founding chair with me at least in studies at the university of san francisco. in brunswick, combine andrew rudy live, which thomas bracket read professor of government at burden college and we're all in scott lucas is a professor of international politics at the clinton institute university college dublin. thank you so much for being with us here on inside story today. plenty to get through, because what everyone's filled with the selection was going to be extraordinarily close. it wasn't from one. uh, overwhelmingly stephen, if we can start with you plenty of hand wringing, going on uh by the democrats. how much of the blind harris losing can be lied at the face of joe biden?

a very much so i think that the invited was really pretty tons us, i think, do a lot of concerns that ordinary americans had a. he was very much from the centers wing of the party of come an old style that was not in touch with the fact that the, that the united states is falling behind many countries in terms of meeting the basic needs of people. we do not have universal healthcare that most a countries have. we don't have the social safety net overall public transportation and housing does not get the kind of support it. does it most advanced industrialized countries as a result? when you know, when, when things are tied, people don't, don't have as much to fall back on that and, and, and similarly he alienated many people in the left wing of the party, especially, and especially young people, as well as av americans. and, and, but sometimes because there's continued support for

a genocidal war in gaza and not only did that lead to more people supporting a minor party candidates, but they have voter enthusiasm. the, their kind of a campaign support the army of young people that come out and go to door to door. i was reduced as, as a result. so i think that combination of things inmate made it very difficult for harris to uh, to do really or to next to folks. and in part because the dilemma of being a sitting vice president is that you can't really separate yourself too far from the sitting president without science seeming this oil and divisive impact on about only for vice presidents that even at tried in the past 150 years and 3 of the mos now for yeah. enter. do you think that you on the bottom will be remembered as, as the person who vanquished donald trump in 2020, and ended his own election campaign for the good of the country and the policy?

or will it be remembered? is that once in president for basically set up the democrats for 5? yeah. well, i think we have a similar situation in 2020, and 24. and at least one respect, which is that an unpopular incumbent lost both a license of just happens to donald trump. is in 2020 and unpopular incumbent and in 2024. he is the agent of change. and despite his record as president, that was a pretty quickly forgiven, frankly, even by voters who didn't like him for years earlier, they looked at not his an officer more happily. he didn't wind. overwhelmingly, i've just put back on that point a little bit. swing state by swing state. these are one to percentage margins. so it is when it's going to be 30 slightly larger than it was in 2016 about the same scale biden's in 2020. we don't think of those as mandate elections per se, but certainly the swing was brought enough and you can do have to, i think, a look at the, the lead decision by present, by the not to run again in sort of the inheritance. therefore,

the vice president harris has unable really to separate herself from an unpopular and comment fairly or not. he is certainly an unpopular about 40 percent approval ratings. and you know, as you showed on her clip, she didn't do a very good job of separating herself from that administration, whether she could have or not open question. but i think biden's legacy is going to be one where you had a chance maybe to sort of vanquish trump is i'm but wasn't able to do that. i just, everything is much easier in hindsight to try and assess exactly. uh we a couple of harris and you a button fell short when it came to retaining the white house. is scott, when it comes to assisting biden's time and office the last 4 years. i mean, how difficult is it going to be to actually sit right, fax from all of them. this information that has been put out there by donald trump and says allies, it can just explain the perception, verse the reality of,

of what he's managed to achieve in, in his time and office. since you're going straight to that fax versus perception difficulty already. by the way, a lot of this debate is being frank. uh, you know, we can talk about the facts of a bind administration, which having inherited a, a hi economy in crisis and a country in crisis. and it's the panda and it's, they attempted to donald trump in 2021. and we can talk about the fact that, yeah, some place you went up to 9 percent in 2022. but as you dealt with supply chain shocks, as you dealt with other compromises in the global economy. because of covered as you dealt with verizon, the energy prices, but you can say 2020 for the inflation been brought down to 2.4 percent. and the federal reserve almost on preferably and bought it a soft landing out of that period. you can talk about the fact that the g p

is growing at 3.5 percent of which many countries in europe would. and that you could talk about the fact that employment for the search lowest price is $19.00 sixty's. while recognizing the questions. what type of jobs do you have an economy is an ongoing concern. uh you could talk about all of the legislation, probably the most significant legislation since 1960 is that was passed by the government ministration. so which will filter through now in terms of us subtraction from years from across the strong vice relief back to the infrastructure bill to the trip side to the sun down. berkeley built that better for bringing economy, trying to expand obamacare and for trying to deal with issues such as education and housing. now, you know how that solve the of americans problem. definitely not. but the argument here is that, you know, it was arguably trying to make a difference in making significant efforts in economy versus a truck administration that had actually damaged it. but facts versus perception is what matters. let me just give you the impression one second. so hang the 6 the

despite all of the, all of his achievements, he wasn't able to sell that to the american people and, and he was deeply unpopular about, well before he dropped out of the rice. now and again, i think you have to talk about the fact that part of this is a communication question. and that part of it was the failure of bite and indeed heroes to communicate effectively measuring problems. the part of it is however, a very damage here are many americans will get their news from outlets that in fact, or just simply there to bash, you know, a certain part of the american electric, the century on the left. in other words, they're right wing pro, shop outlets and they weren't gonna get any positive spend to buy that heroes. but even the mainstream a to try to play both sides quite all this. i'll give you that quick example very quickly. if you're talking about immigration in 2024. well 1st of all, integration search from 2019 to 2001 to which you know, will span the trump and bind periods. mm hm. in 2024 on documented integration

across the us, mexico border is down 77 percent. but how often would you have for the, in the american media when the, the international media in the last few weeks. so even if we can come to you just staying on the economy, we'll get to into in the immigration issue in just a moment, but when it comes to the economy, when scott the outlines a number of buttons achievements over the last 4 years. do you think he'll be remembered for those when it comes to his legacy? i think academics probably will because these are 6 are pretty straightforward, are pretty clear. it wasn't very successful presidency in that regard. but unfortunately, a, as was noted, the media environment in this country is, is dominated by the far right to outlets. that happened to be a logical agenda. there was the problem of a bots from russia and others who were, who are putting our thoughts information on the,

on social media in the main stream. media trying to be balanced. he's, when the, the facts were pretty solidly on, on one side and, and, and this is right, this is rather disturbing, or that the, that things have come to this level. i mean, the one hand of the united states as one of the most highly educated populations in the world. however, there is this kind of loaner ability to very superficial entity, logically driven analysis that you know, that makes the democratic party, which is a very centrist party, by european and most a nation's standards appear to be far left. and the republican party, which has now been taken over by far right nationalist, very similar to the, the, the, the far right pop, pop, pop a powers. but we, we do see in europe as a minority to, to, to come across as main stream. and so i think that and that will certainly

a change of the way that americans will see the, the, the buying presidency and the, and the 2 party system during this period. it will, i mean, but all the candidates must have americans and you have fraction, especially the media is when it comes to america and the amount of misinformation and this information that was going to be spewed out through the selection that was all known. well ahead of time, why wasn't harrison bottom, why were they able to convince america that the, the company was actually getting bid around the ends of their administration. andrew, why when they are able to cap through to the people in the same way that donald trump with did so successfully? yeah, it's the polarization that my colleagues have mentioned to years intriguing is going to work. the trucks benefit very shortly. i suspect that on january 21st, he will declare that the place is vanquished, and in fact, the economies the envy of the world. he solve the problems already. and you'll see a big switch in republicans who think the economy is terrific. and some number of

democrats will think that suddenly it's also great as well. we tend to see even faxed in this country at the moment through a party colored lens. so it's tricky and i think part of the issue providing was that, you know, he did pass right. a very big coverage stimulus act at the beginning of his ministration that you know, did boost of people's paychecks. but that faded and certainly by 2024 people forgotten about it or sort of rolled into the prior stimuli as well. uh, the inflation reduction act, which was the sort of version of build back a battery that made it through. congress again has a huge amount of money for investment in green energy and other infrastructure combined with the sort of other physical infrastructure investments passed by cars, but those haven't actually hit the ground in many cases yet. so again, these, there's a lot of money in the pipeline, almost the literal pipeline in some cases, again, hasn't really affected people's lives. trump didn't play very well. i thought on

the fact that, you know, he got kind of a pass for the economic collapse of 2020. nobody blamed him for that. that was a world wide pandemic. i won't say nobody and how he managed it certainly is blameworthy in regards. but uh, you know, again looking back people thought, oh, gas prices were low. that was trumps to trumps credit. but the fact that gas prices were low because the economy had crater, you know, you didn't get blame for that. and, you know, the campaign certainly played up those issues in ways that i thought the, you know, did resonate with people who had this sort of uh, yeah. again, retrospective, uh, you know, past memories of the trumpet, ministration as being rather more successful perhaps. and it was, and of course that's combined with a, a big tran ship of trump, fans who never given up edward boozy aspect about his return as we saw on the primary season. yeah, it certainly feels like a lot of people have short memories when it comes to looking back at trumps for

fiscal years in office. i mean bernie sanders as well as many others. scott, have it basically said trump one because democrats have banded working. class people do, i mean, do you agree with that sentiment? because we did here in the story that played at the very beginning of this program that were people are sitting around the kitchen table. it's really they've vote on how they feel. now i was off now than they were a few years ago, and the majority of people said that they aren't doing as well as they were when trump was present, rightly or wrongly. that's how they feel. well, i think we're in a period right now as happens with any party that loses an election and especially in a critical time like america has that you're going to get a lot of uh, so flagellation. and you're going to get a lot of sniping with. yeah, and that is going to be framed. i think it's part of the central verse as well. now i think there are, there is round to talk about how much further america should go in terms of health care. steven has pointed out how much folder it should go in terms of extending

that social net. and of course we haven't even discuss 4 policy. how much further the bottom ministration should have done to adopt a more progressive view. the progressive nothing. so saving lives in gaza, but i think to an extent to sanders is difficult, lashing out a bit as much as time higher. but he sanders, he was there through the buying and ministration as it passed this legislation. he has been there, of course, through the obama and by new ministrations. as you did get a for kara, which needs to be expanded, but at least you got obamacare. he has been there when you try to help for the class. americans come out of the pen done it. so i think it's a little bit unfair to say that the administration didn't do anything to help or a few people. could they do more, should they do more? absolutely, but actually part of a constructive discussion going for, rather than wanting to try to rip up the democrats in the center versus left. oh, okay. so you're gonna wanna go back to 2022, because a poll found in that on

a 26 percent of democrats want to jump button to run again. yet, as we know, he still did, i mean, could all of us have been avoided if the democratic leaders at that time actually stood up to him sooner and say, we don't think that you should run for a 2nd to him and actually have an open primary to choose the right candidates take on donald trump. i would have probably felt, i think, done on the one hand the american election. the season is ridiculously long. uh, in any case, i mean to say it was only 4 months. i mean, most of our imagery systems are election campaigned is maybe 6 weeks remote, so it's not the link to per se, but i think perhaps it sounds the best thing would have been helpful in terms of it . people being able to express their, their preferences of the candidates and, and more discussion of policies where people will, would have been able to distance themselves, perhaps a more from biden's unpopular policies. and, you know, there would have been

a sense, more sense of ownership. i guess you could say of the candidate instead of the fact of a selection of the unpopular incumbents of vice president. and so, yes, so i, i do believe that he should have stepped aside the sooner that was certainly the wishes you know, did the majority of, of, of democrats. and it is in popularity on a whole number of levels, from his age a to the, to, to the guys of war and other things are they made a, made his vice president vulnerable? yeah, i want to get onto the counselor. well now, because obviously that is such had such a huge impact here in the middle east, but also right around the world and potentially from what we're hearing and seeing in the voting. when it came to paris. $33000.00 people, a didn't guys that i mean the tension in the entire region is, is at a level that we haven't seen in a long, long time by didn't spend billions of dollars in military. i given military i to is

ro. and you can just give us an idea of what you think buttons, vegas, so we legacy will be when it comes to the middle east, especially to gaza. yeah, i don't think there's any question that after the hamas attacks and october 7th, the, the, the us would come strongly to the defensive israel at that point. right as the, the war has gone on. i think there have been high expectations that the us would be able to use it's leverage funding. what have you to uh, to n. thanks. right. to rein industry on more than spend will do. i think that's always been something of a misconception. the idea that the us with direct is rarely behavior, especially when you have a prime minister there who is fighting his own domestic political battles in ways that lead him towards i think, often extreme behavior and thought helpful to the wider resolution of peace. and the reason i buy them, you know, has long experience, you know, in

u. s. foreign policy. and i think he has struggled somewhat of, you know, to a certain himself, in this regard. i mean, this more is not the united states fall of the warranty crane. it's not the united states, followed by and got tired with it somehow. i think maybe there's a sort of perception back in 2021. right. the withdrawal from afghanistan was a trump policy negotiated directly with the taliban. actually sidelining the actual asked in government to do so. uh, binding though, actually agreed with the idea of withdrawing. but when the us did, of course, it was chaotic and the media reaction and data stand by the taliban and research and has been to crack down on human rights. and the reaction here has been largely negative to that. so the sort of veneer providence in foreign policy, i think the more off for relatively quickly and his term. and again, i think us has been you know, buffeted. so what i think in terms of ukraine uh vitamins is actually from my

perspective, done the right thing has been extremely supportive of, of the cranes government trying to funnel weapons and money. and you know, i suspect present trunk when he returns, often as will not be so supportive. he's talked about ending the war in a day, which presumably means a line right for the apple. but he too will be, i think, even more supportive of israel than by and has been. and so i think those on the left and the last who held their noses refused to vote for the vice president on the basis of her position or by this position in gossip are going to have a rude awakening. with regards to what happens there under this scope that has been the criticism of button because it seems like there's been a, a failure to hold. benjamin netanyahu back at old lemon is no ceasefire agreement despite an engineer blinking coming to the region, maybe 11 or 12 times, i think it is now there's no 2 site agreement with further away from any sort of cx, 5 deal. then we've been homeless and the entire 13 months of the war has been going

on. i mean, how will joe biden as many people, blame him for, allowing this in yahoo to do what ever he wants when it comes to gaza. and now what we're seeing and living on as well i to be precise, i think the buying administration. i pursued a tactic of trying to contain the yahoo by 14 working where the other is really leaders in the board cabinet. brittany, josh. the defense transferred you over to watch and it didn't work. you know, ben and josh locked in. may, you know, a lot was fired by netanyahu on your level engine day. oh, yeah. you know, so the fact the matter is, is the, i think the by ministration should've been much struck on that. they should have cut military age. they didn't do it. i think it was a time for the state, but i want to look for it a little bit because i think this will go beyond job. i'm. i think what we have to realize here is, is that as counterproductive as the vinyl coach was,

that you now have donald trump, who told the that yahoo on the phone a few weeks ago. do what you have to do here is probably set the bye to ministration was to we can support here as well. so even as he faces domestic pressure and his role, even though think faces that prospect, that if you ever stop the war, you face is legal and politically jeopardy that yahoo has a blank check from the incoming trump administration to go even far. ringback in the killing, whether that's in love or not, but i think it will continue to happen in java. and so now the blood on people's hands, if you want to talk about it, it will be blood on trumps. and it says whether he'll be held to account like by that was that's an open question. yeah, he's right. no secret trump has made no secret of his support of nation. yahoo! and as well as even just before we go it, can you just give us an idea or a sense of with this, it leaves the democratic party. what are they going to do after all the hand

reading and soul searching is i, but we just like go next. i think they really need to heal their divisions because they are really pretty strong. i mean, 80 percent of democrats, for example, wanted to suspend the military aid to israel. and whereas the, the, the vitamin ministration, vice president harris, the democratic platform kept saying that this a was iron clad. they would not make it conditional. we're seeing in other areas where there seems to be a degree of tone deaf nessa to where a lot of ordinary democrats are coming from that the, the pressure from the funders, the pressure from the mainstream media's. oh, you have to be more centrist. but the way, the only way to fight right wing populism is left wing populace going to, to the center. does just the opposite. and to the, the, the democratic party really does, i think, need to be more, you know, you know, the sensitive the to is working class base to the young voters whose support

they're going to, to need going further than the new new generation. and to really recognize that you know, that they, they, that the, the issues that are, that concern americans are not going to be those by, by this kind of cautious and moderation. but the kind of excitement that could bring people for getting back into the fold and move things forward. so you're going to see a lot of battles between those who have different interpretations of, of where to go next. but, but my sense is that there really does need to be a greater sensitive support for a social justice for human rights for international law. you know, for the, for the kinds of a forward looking progress. so that makes the united states less of an international outlier account just in terms of as well the other things, but the one does more to into the needs of people at home. unfortunately, we're out of time, but thank you so much. just a financial and scott, we really do appreciate your input and insight into into this and,

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