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how do i welcome to the program on elizabeth, put on them, leaders from around the world. amazing to address the climate crisis. azerbaijan capital bank, who is hosting this is you when cop 29 conference with delegates, tackling ways to cope global warming scientists. one progress is not on track and an action could cause a reversible damage to our planet. funding is also on the agenda. developing nations needs and all solve it up to a trillion dollars to help reduce the impact of natural disasters made was by climate change. but some of the questioning of the re election of donald trump, the climate change skeptic, will change plans or even the regular grievance. so we'll politics play a role of this gathering and how will developing nations level the playing field. we'll put that to our guests in a moment. first, this report from katia lopez holiday on there's plenty to talk about this year's united nations climate conference and as their bridge ons capital. for many

countries, the climate crisis is no longer a distance, correct? extreme weather patterns are becoming more common with devastating consequences. scientists war and the numbers are undeniable. a rise in global warming is on course to sore past. the set limit of 1.5 degrees celsius climate. calamity is the new here, and we are not keeping up 2020 for these on the truck to be the hot this to you every quarter of it's almost 2 months before the tents. we're going to drill. baby drill. donald trump's re election could overshadow the summit. he's a climate change skeptic, and as president he withdrew the us from the parents agreement. now he's promised to do it again, expect a lot of leaders to actually step up and say, and feel the need to clearly distance themselves from the kind of do not listen

that he talks about and projects. also on the agenda is funding for developing nations to cope with climate disasters. the price tag could reach a trillion dollars for understand the political and financial constraints, but let me make 2 points. first. these numbers may sound big, but the nothing compared to cost of election. this investments payoff. 10 seconds will fall in these together. leaders from some of the wealthiest countries responsible for much of the world's greenhouse emissions, like the us and china are notably absent from the conference. now, questions are being raised about the role politics could play at this gathering. s countries work to enhance their commitments to reduce carbon emissions. patsy a little bit, so the yen how to 0 for insights. story of the

one for a deepest sense of what's at stake comp $29.00. that's well come, i guess in baku, how deep thing global engagement director of a non profit fossil fuel tracy initiative. that's a global campaign to accelerate a transition to renewable energy and nairobi nozzle name a shaday senior analysts working on climate environment and conflict in africa. and the international crisis group, and also in baku for head 5, the climate scientists that the climate analytics thing tag. please also advise in the chair of the least developed countries group at comp 29. a very warm welcome to each of you have jeep. the warnings could not be more stock. what needs to happen at this cop 29 to get nations back on track in need saying that climate change goals? this is a bit of thank you for having me. and the most important issue that competent to 9

is finance. and i cannot stress enough since the, by this agreement and even years before they've been struggling to get support for developing countries so that they can make our transition away from fossil fuels and protect the people. and as impacts are rising at the do not get support, people are going to be left on the other one and that's the reality we have in on developing countries. so what be need to see happening at golf 29 is a new collective quantifier goal, as we call it a that has to be a good but shouldn't be a new version of what was agreed. we're back in 2009 and was formalized in 2015 as $100000000.00 target. but we know we need trillions of dollars annually. and not just that $100000000.00 which has not been achieved. only the claims are being made to the finances at the very core of top 29 climate docs. and if we fail to achieve the goal of setting this target, all premiums annually even failed by this agreement,

and even also failed people on the planet. yeah, that's certainly what we're hearing that these talks will be focus more on finance than any of the previous cops for how the host, as or by john will be positive cheap. and countries focused on agreeing to a new global finance target to replace the common $100000000000.00 a year. pledge that does expire this year. but given as how jeep says, that pledge has really be met. how do you convince, develop nations to give more than that? i think the realization, if that's all, thank you for having me in your program. so the realization is more than more that if you have to finish this crisis, we need to, you know, we may need to have this kind of an entering man, because we have seen that the 100000000 dollar gold most not sufficient. not only to the amount but also the quality of the support business it provided that was

lots of your time. so those were like a lot of debt and related instrument one of the issue for the previous schools. so the, there is an important need to have this, this kind of a trillion dollars, and that is vive, yeah, here at the, at this golf. so that is very critical. and i think that as i'm reading this across the world that the if you need to do because we are in this together as, as one great use of it as like humanity. so we need to support them. that is the ready, you know, that is fundamental to the process of you and if triple c that is recognized um the, these 2 weeks are very crucial as id for the default of the base from your question as well. so i think that it is very important for the computer to come together because what am i trying to do go? the organization has published his report to the state of the climate. and we have seen that today. we have 1.3 degrees centigrade,

well more than the pre industry of war and the kind of impacts the world i've seen the devastating in this year. i think we do not have it yet. let me bring, now's name on the when father speaks about how the world needs to come together. we, they get in as a need how far are part of the developed and developing nations because wall of the you wins, environment program has said just in the last few days at the wills, developing nations need about a 100 really a sorry, $1000000000.00 a day just of call it for the extreme, whether impacts off today we have developed nations which are trying to wide in the definition of develop nations to include those like china. it is the financing guess a stock, and they are getting stuck by the day. and they said, cuz he talks about from the un here on the african continent. and we're looking

at africa needs and as much as $2.00 trillion dollars of climate financed by 20. so see, i'm standing alone. i would say isn't enough. i agree with hardship funding is important, but i'm from indigo 6 point of view. i think demanding, renewed commitments to the power so agreement, goals, trying to cub global warming look. i mean africa contributes a tiny fraction of global comp and emissions. yes. stuff is disproportionately, and i think that should also be the focus, the impact to and i'm heading back to noise and i think it's going to be a very to bore to, as you say, for all these countries a guess on the same page with everything that's going on in the world right now. yeah. how did you last name is raising a very important point that not in countries have contributed to the global

emissions and the same way. and not every country has the same resources to combat climate change. every country needs to act on climate change, but not well at the same pace. is that an understanding of real understanding being and, and, and that understanding being applied at baku or well, that's going to be a big question. but the apply that because the principles variables remains starting 1992 and then be got the convention, the principal of the common, but differentiated responsibility and respective get publicity, a big mouthful, but eventually what it means is equity. so countries will cost a problem, i suppose, to be digging up much more responsibility and supporting developing countries. what you have been seeing over the last, what the soon as a bit that they have been dropped the dime duty data sponsibility and which countries are also responsible for increasing the emissions. and i'm totally

agreeing with another name that finance has one box that a lot of different countries have to blame, but they also have to reduce that emissions. but look at where we are, data emissions have gone up. and if we talk about develop countries, they have plans to increase the fossil fuel extraction between now and 2050. and, and this is insane because we know that that empty bottle of oil is going to add to our misery to add to the problem of climate crisis. if you're facing project data sticking to the same fossil fuel, develop things and not just look into that. we're seeing an acceleration of that from the united states, which is historically the world's largest producer. so how everyone is worried about the u. s. commitment now to combat and climate change after the re election of donald trump has that cost a shadow on the conference given that he pulled out the power disagreement last

time he was president, and he has been, he's been threatening to go back. the us is calvin coughing commitments. yes. so, um, i'm already uh, i've been involved with since last week and we were having the uh, pre session. most of the least developed countries. cool. and uh, during the precess knows that result started to come of the us election. there was certainly a kind of a, you know, a kind of an easy, not someone the negotiated with the least amount of countries. but still we have seen a similar circumstance in 2016 random from came into the game into bower. and we have seen that, but the uh, you're not that time. recall, so game together to address the issue. so let us be optimistic. i'm being optimistic because the kind of shows the physical and climate to especially in the

least developed countries. we cannot afford to attract back. you're right in saying that it goes to the level of funding in us among the partners, but that will on for the in the next 2 weeks. and then we'll see that how the negotiation will go with go and who's going to take indeed that, that, that yeah, and that's what i mean. what impact do you think the us, you know, the world's biggest economy, historically, the largest producer? what impact would the us leaving the powers agreement again, have on global efforts, especially in the least develop nations? many of who are in africa. i mean, i have to say, i'm not as optimistic as your other guest, you know, from the past just missed climate change as a hoax. but i feel like that is a very deep level of injustice to much of this. because as we know, the, you know,

us, it's not just one of the biggest uh, economies in the world will say, one of the biggest do not governments in terms of age systems, which shopping stretch, not just by climate change, but by multiple conflicts and was gone the ukraine, i'm sued on here in africa. i'm what it's potentially gonna happen is it's going to be to full even more than it already has on poor pulse of the world at large costs, a sub saharan africa in particular to do with these challenges. and i just feel like this is just the injustice of it will the fact that this will undoubtedly have a huge impact not just on of excitement negotiations, but generally i own the conflicts and also the aids that's needed to deal with these conflicts. and that's the thing i do want to come back to you about the impact of climate change on conflict and vice versa. but before i do that, how judith the us present,

and joe biden is not attending this conference. and in fact, the leaders of the us, china, which is the 2nd biggest producer india, which is rice out there, and france and germany and not attending when we know that the us, china, india, and the european make up european union make up well more than 50 percent of the global greenhouse emissions does the say something about that commitment to these talks absolutely elizabeth oven before i come to that, if i can add to what does it mean said to me from selection is a devastating sent back and it's going to shake the foundations of multilateralism . it's bad news for climate action. it's bad news for global populations. it's also bad news for the planet to little. not because the us has been doing a lot, but the cannot let the biggest his daughter go, emma tall and the thought plus the fuel producer off the hook. and he's going to

cause a monumental reversal of clean energy policy that we have seen finally taking shape in the us and having some impact. so all the hard one games are going to be it all that and we'll see more possibly for the next section. i know climate finance, so we need to understand that the track record of the us for the over the last 30 years has been extremely bad. and that's where i'm not showing up at this meeting is going to be extremely damaging. so we want to boy lead us to show up and the play the comic mental climate action. and this is the most important call after the bad disagreement was achieved in 2015. because if, if don't get an agreement on finance, all the actions that be seen being committed by developing countries are not going to be implemented. and it's not just me was saying the food and bought a couple of weeks ago, unit emissions,

gap report and the nbc you and synthesis of the board of all the climate plans that have been submitted. so lee does not showing up. so from developing countries, i must say they're not coming because they're losing trust in this system because money has not been delivered yet. so i'm rich country is not coming because they're not serious about providing money. so we need to really understand why those leaders are not coming to buckle the father. i want to bring you in here because we are talking about lead is not coming, pledges not being met and the world on track to well exceed the $1.00 degrees celsius to 2 degrees celsius warming compared to pre industrial levels as a climate scientist at this point, can you just break down from us, what's at stake, and what each fraction of a degree, the difference that has on the impacts to people and ecosystems? yeah, then thank you. but before i come to your question,

so let me read trade on the, i sure will, thoughts are rented by how do the mazda mean that it is definitely a set back? and the names representative of the least developed countries grow. you know, we do not have anything else except this, this form of you end of triple to and the, you know, and that's why i was, want to remain positive that the money to be mentioned to them by the boss talking about. of course, i'd say it's a big no. do that might be that to move them, but i think that we will find some solutions. so there's more responsibility on the other countries to step up and the things we just want to be like things that it's, it's a big set back for the process set us as like going to the table. so that would be how do you advise you advise the chair of the group of least developed countries. and when hodges talks about how, you know,

some of the developing nations are coming because they've lost trust in the process . what do you say? 2 countries that don't want to participation the process anymore is making sure disappointing benefit on. we need to look at other resources on some out of the box solution, the kind of investment which may come from other countries and green evolves and, and in the unit on the shelf energy system. so we definitely need to go for other options because we cannot bid this request time off of a, you know, of the climate and just as so the climate isn't just as not warranty across the country that it has not been being developed. but developing in developed countries, it is the climate in just best, even within the board as we have seen in sorted what, what happened in front of it because of the hurricane. and as the board people, the, you know, the people who are that endorsed the sign of the relative which were affected. and that's why i want to be optimistic in the sense that the sanity will prevail. you

know, if the gab it needs to be framed to be, you have to look at this uh, drop them off climate process from different angles. and you talked about the degree of the degree of roaming. like i said before that we had at 1.3 degrees and the good roaming of, of freedom, the sea level at the moment, according to the board, which is published with w. m a today. and 1.3 degree we really have faced and devastating getting things. and these developed countries in africa, in south asia, the other ones are most impacted according to that report. again, like nothing i've mentioned about africa, least developed countries as a group has contributed less than one percent through the cumulative started an emissions, but they are facing the front of it. so i want to say we have to stick with the target with we've agreed in the, in global starting decisions and the debate to uh,

got the emission to, to do the teaching and continue to defy addiction and 50 percent reduction and do levels with those entity and you know, net 0, uh, okay. uh, i want to bring national name back in on an expand on one of the things you're saying, which is that this needs to be address from many angles and going back to the point that you were making earlier in as an, in the conferences taking place at a time when there was raging in gaza in ukraine and so dawn is the impact of climate change on conflict and vice versa. is this something that should or is going to be on the agenda and i'm willing to go. so it just, i've spoken to have brought say message i would say to about to that they want climate diplomacy to whole study. i mean, these global crisis, you mentioned, you know, the was in gaza. you train saddam is political ships in united states. when you

look at the reality on the ground. i don't think anyone is saying that there is a direct link between conflict employment. but what we all saying is that in many circumstances, it does make things more stable and more financing will definitely help mitigate these kinds of threats which are present the piece and stability. and i think that really is the key, but look, united fundings not good us prevent these will stop the rule in any, any of these places. but it could be the best type really, towards thing, off the most dismal potential outcomes. and i would say absolutely. and necessity just just here in africa, we have, you know, conflicts across insurgencies, minutes in groups of, of swept across the tops of the confidence in the past decade. so investing and

resilience can, can help mitigate some of these ripple effect. so i would say a social tensions displacement and even conflict. and also this could also be a way of trying to sell it to people like a donald trump. but making it clear that it's in a way, uh, in the interest of us to be doing something because the costs of adoption or for more and being able to adapt to these risks could reduce the risk of, say, mass displacement up potential complex. i guess it's all to us really to try to sell this now potential in a different way. it's going to be difficult all, but we need to be thinking more than ever to believe. yeah, that is one of the biggest message from climate expos is the cost of an action is so much more hodges, is it possible to protect these multi natural and negotiations from global turmoil,

including you know, politics in the us, of the ability to customize that as well had also said this platform is extremely bought it and vicious because that's fair. all countries tenant it could be, have the same amount of weiss and one bought a book country. but at the same time develop countries have made this process. so in effect to because of their own best interest. so it's developed country as well, not meeting their obligations and rhonda, shifting the burden onto developing countries, look at that historical emissions talking about the us because as part of kilometer and the thought process and produce a knowledge. so it's accessible. i think the problem you are going to missions cumulatively came from europe, australia is expanding fossil fuels. so the reality on the ground is that the rich countries are not trying to address the problem abroad, that aggravating it. that's what is it holding the trust in the unlikely to the

system. so what's the need for them to be accountable and being genuine in the actions and move beyond invested interest be at all in just to gather as bob was saying, industrialization is bad. but then when you apply the principles of equity that developed countries have an odd size responsibility in causing the problem, then they also have to step up and support developing countries to finance and also taking action back home. and i must mention this number because you were talking about was did he already has that in the last 2 years, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent on u. k. in war and money going for water bills. so that money would have been used a full time reduction and i'll also make a connection of fossil fuels. and i'll also make a connect that's a common connection between bars and what we are dealing with. uh um, you know, climate crisis here in these, in these halls and then if you shift money from bad things to good things become grand $5000000.00 annually. um yeah, by putting

a tax on on these billing is to begin. yeah. really and fossil fuels, subsidies, we can fax lots of to like selection. and these are the bought by oil change and the muscle which actually calculates it to just reduce the public military spending by 20 percent. you can play as 450 and the ext. uh. so just like with the money can come from the hub just last week to you. how do we move on from these conferences just being talk fast to actually seeing pledges being fulfilled and countries and back on track to meet in the climate goals? yes, i am the i cannot agree or would have even more. but just a point that i also mentioned that not there is a gap and you know, us pulling all the time and we have to go go funding over the options and have the

task like, spend out a couple of options as well. be sure to also go far more innovative options and as a represented edited are designed to offer these develop countries. i would also expect big honey calling to me is also among the developing countries to, to show them the leadership. because scientifically, it is possible to achieve net 0 into a deep out a 2nd you meant with the limited or what should you know, but we need political been, we need the to in fact i'm going to be an ethnic naturalism. and when i said that i was up to mistake, i would, i would bolt for the other, can be the big economies to come together. and the do the, she's the least developed countries. people, especially the pores in the region, in africa and other parts of the world against. all right, we have run out of time that we will be watching what happens at the conference very closely. the next 2 weeks to see what concrete steps come out of it. thank you

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