get the old palestinians to re discover their ancestral homes. why doesn't my grand parents stay here? why aren't i here? return to palestine on al jazeera. what should applicant leaders expect from donald trump? does he makes his come back? the continent hasn't been a top diplomatic priority for washington, but as china and russia expand their influence, there will trump for versus print. this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying the united states has lost some of its influence in africa and recent years. now, donald trump's re election is raising questions about how his administration will deal with the worlds fastest growing content,

the list of issues as long. there's trade, investment, age sanctioned and war. all of this has china and russia makes significant strides across africa, beijing, as board billions of dollars and strategic investments, and moscow as build alliances to counter sanctions from the west. so what will the 2nd trump term mean for africa? and how will his transactional approach play out with african leaders? will put those questions where i guess in a moment the 1st this report from katya lopez, what a young donald trump america 1st motto has some wondering where africa will fit in his political agenda as president. he often followed a transactional approach. one of dressing african leaders emphasizing trade and investment. we hope to extend our economic partnerships with countries who are committed to self reliance and to fostering opportunities for job creation in both africa and the united states. africa has tremendous business

potential have so many friends going to your country is trying to get rich. trump considers china one of his biggest adversaries. and the jing has made significant strategic investments across the continent. at a recent meeting of african leaders, president tgm pain plus $50000000000.00 and financial support the next 3 years. so as long as you say, funk china is willing to keep in cooperation with africa in the areas of industry and agriculture. infrastructure trade and investments that includes minerals needed for renewable technologies. africa has about 30 percent of the world. critical minerals and china has steadily secured deals for the extraction. washington has been kept on the face with sanctions from the us and its allies. russia has also built closer ties with some african countries,

particularly in for g security and military partnerships. there is also worry, trump could cut down humanitarian aid presidential byte and has committed $55000000000.00 to the continent. and eastern african countries, including sudan faced with war and mass displacement are among its main recipients . now much of africa is waiting to see what a 2nd trump administration will mean for the continent. and at the same time, trying to prepare for the unexpected katia, look this up again. alj a 0 for insights story. all right, let's go ahead and bring our guests in durham, north carolina, cameron hudson senior fellow at the center for strategic and international studies . think tank and a former white house africa advisor during the bush administration. and irish attends in the solomon there. so founding director of amani africa, a pan african think tank that works on peace, security, and diplomacy. and in washington, dc, ebenezer of adar,

a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and author of numerous books on nigeria and africa. a warm welcome to you all and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story ebenezer. let me start with you today. what are african leaders expecting thus far from a 2nd? trump administration. thanks for the question. i think for conklin, many african countries will aspect president trump to for low on the track that president biting, adopted especially after what happened with respect to the um, the ukraine, the, the okay. conflict, part of what happened after the conflict is that the united states or they allies, that it's no longer business as usual with african countries. and the united states change fact is be more due frasier if not this respectful in its approach to us

african countries. it's realized that the african countries of needs that do that the states dates in the united states interest to meet in terms of economic interest in terms of protection of governance and democratic rights. and it seems as if the united states is sensitive to that if anything, maybe advertised states i'm, i'm, what i mean african lead us whispered to that the united states will continue along that path. cameron, let me get your take on this from your perspective when it comes to washington's approach to advocate during a 2nd, trump term. what are we more likely to see and what are we less likely to see as well? i think what you're more likely to see is. ready president trump, uh saying the quiet part out loud. i think that a lot of the interests and priorities that the united states has in africa are

pretty bi partisan, critical minerals. we see the, the content as the largest building block at the us. and so if, if the united states wants to be seen as a world leader, it has to be able to line up african countries behind its vote at the united nations. it's a g o strategic location. increasingly, with the red sea and the atlantic ocean being a border with the united states. so it sits across really critical trade routes. so, and then of course there's the rise of china. there's the threat that rush opposes, and an african continues to be a battle ground for that competition. i think the difference will be that the by the administration down play many of the us national security interest. and i think that that trump will make it the headline how trump will talk about our competition with china very directly, very openly, he will talk about the need for critical meal minerals in a much more open and direct way. whereas i think biden tried to temper

a lot of these interest was talk of us values, values around democracy, human rights, gay rights. and i think that many times those talk that talk of values doesn't resonate particularly well with either the populations or the leadership of african countries. so i think there's potentially you know, room for, for the trump and ministration to advance an agenda with africa and not dissimilar to, to, to the what the buys ministration did. but i think the tone will be very different . solomon, what's your take here of which leaders thus far in africa are thinking and more optimistic terms about what to expect from trump going forward and which leaders are more down beat about a 2nd trump term. and how will trumps transactional approach play out with african leaders? so 1st i think in terms of expectations, it's true that many african countries, particularly many african leaders, are wary all being lecture and about democracy about human rights. more so

in the current, in the contemporary global context where there are many instances in which the book is a for respect for international law, for human rights. i have not been consistently followed and applied um, internationally in various parts of the world. and therefore, the expectation is that a more of a, a, a more or telling them is a way of going about the engagement in relations between the 2 countries. including in terms of whether it is convenience or the joe parties kind of dimension of things such as of because positioning globally,

there is increasing a conclusion on the part of the continent. that's a visa moment, actually offers more choices, more options for the compliment to not to be books the into taking sides solve expectation is that even in the context in which of the incoming top i'd be station would be, for example, opened and public over about the start to do competition with china and russia on the african continent. i don't think that's meant african leaders and indeed people in the content would like to see a situation where they would be asked to choose between the us and other countries. if anything, the expectation is that the e of the room for compliment tati between china and the west uh for them to actually advance relationship. so this also has to do with that thing, increasingly coordination on the part number of the computers as well as the wider

public about except the sizing agency that's on the car is not just taking side either way. is this block or dr. blog? not just like the, the us of the kind of countries also would like to pursue their own interest. we'd sometimes queen sites with the us outside of the times, coincides with other groups. ebenezer, you heard solomon and cameron both mentioned russia, russia and china, and how those 2 countries factor into all of this going forward. i want to ask you about your thoughts on how much will trumps rivalry with china. complicate things for africa going forward. we know that china has invested deeply in the consummate there's a lot of analysts that expect trump to pressure african nations to distance themselves from badging. and that my creat difficult choices for countries that are reliant on chinese infrastructure, funding and trade. how does all of this play out? do you think? i think it is too late now. it's to as fact. um,

so i'm i for com countries. no to continue to do business with china. i think they know they will continue to do that. i feel that it's been a no dental continue to do business with our osha. actually tuesday, our rights to pretty bill speak. i mentioned to want to put down to what that what these agency. it's a one words that think is going to be very important going forward. i forgot this is a good in error. 5 countries, right? it's in there. they're realizing that it won't do many of them. i economically weak . it doesn't mean that they do not have agents within the system. if you look at what's my new book enough, i certainly do all those coincidence in the style i've done. basically the give you an eviction notice to the united states. did it 5, don't those to live too low to, to evoke, wait a minute to basis from del punches for me is an indication of the fact that they are that less than that. yeah. if you did see what is that same agency also asked, implications is so far as

a new or many of these countries decide to go with china or russia, i think is good to being put down to what allies that russia and china. also, i've been placed in africa the i know just in africa because the southern defending know who with african countries then africa because they mean dismissed the one the business done. but also more important do represent a particular will life politically speaking. so any country that goes with china or russia has to know those coordinates in itself. so it sets of times loose. um, personally, for me, it was be willing to leave with those loose after support going forward. cameron up aging has made significant investments and strategic investments across the continent. and at a recent meeting of african leaders, president, she's in ping pledged $50000000000.00 in financial support over the next 3 years. can the us really hope to do anything to keep up with china after having basically

fallen so far behind as well, it's going to be a very difficult uh, catch up process for the united states. i think that this will be to accord or that we have been promoting from the d. r. c. railroad from the d r c to to angola is really the 1st foray into large infrastructure development along the lines of the built in wrote initiative that has made china so successful. that's the 1st attempt by the united states and many, many years to undertake a project of that of that nature. i think there's a real possibility to see a trump immunization scale. those kinds of projects in pursuit much more projects, essentially competing with china on the same terms as china, in africa. but here again, i think it's going to be quite different. i think the us marketplace, wall street and even average americans see the consummate as a much more riskier place for investment. when you look at kind of main stream

media here, talking about apricots, it's typically about what's not working right. it's about governance issues. it's about disease, it's about, you know, civil more the like, that's what captures the attention of, of the us that lead. so i think with respect to africa on like in china, which i think sees africa as a land of opportunity. the as a, as a land to get rich, we will see it president trump with his, you know, business man, background and bravado a can, can motivate the us business community to see the opportunities that others clearly see in africa. and it's not just china, it's the auditor of amaran's and saudi arabia, it's turkey. you know, there are many great and middle powers out there now who are competing. uh, you know, aggressively for, for investment opportunities in africa. so washington has lost out to a host of uh, a small towers and large towers like solomon,

i saw you reacting to some of what cameron was saying. there are let you jump in, but i also, i want to ask you about another country. you mentioned a few moments ago, and that's russia because russia has also built closer ties with several african countries, particularly in foraging security and military partnerships. russia now has a major footprint and countries like molly new share and for keen a 5. so how much is that alarmed the u. s. and what trump offer support to african countries in an attempt to push russia out so um, in terms of the, the presence of russia and then and the implications that off. remember this countries not to mention the sentence, tyler and congress booking a new teacher and, and body. uh they, uh, they have faced enormous challenge in terms of their security. the trades of data facing is basically has become existential. we have talking about countries that today the other present at region in the world that has become the epicenter of

global enters, nope, just enough to come by, torturing the word in terms of the number of attacks. the pilot is not the redone from these incidents and in the face of such existential, besides the charlotte and for these countries has been uh to get the kind of security assistance and support. uh, either by lots or lead from countries like the us, the old men is not already such as small. they couldn't come through west african states or through that if he couldn't. yeah. and then on the support to make kind of items. uh, what are available, and then for what you have is basically countries that are left with no choice but to seek assistance from anyone who is willing to give it and russia a valid set. and therefore, they just took it that to the kind of environment that,

that made it possible for russia to gain the kind of footprint ducky top gate. and they've been fort important in this context to think about when the countryside are faced with like the central states. if you do not do with either us individually, at least it is possible to facilitate the effective action 2 months left on the platforms within that un, i think on union or, or, or equals. but importantly, i think it's important. it's very important to understand this thing when we talk about african countries, i think it's important to talk about topic and countries in the way we talk about other countries including countries in the west, in the sense that often as you know, um, mentioned the capital mentioned earlier was for example, they much initially in the west doesn't mean managed to be one dot or waste portrays and imagines africa as you know through the land. so security to mind

is not in the duster. so uh cuz i mean that's so china. so what i show moved out or pulse a bit to imagine and think of africa outside of the v. secondary lenses, but now pick up on an all seats. so as i said, to be engaged for mutual exchange, cameron i saw, i think. so the really critical reports. sure. so i'm, i'm going to get back to about one of those points just a minute. but i did see cameron reacting to a lot of what you said there. and i wanted to give him a chance to jump into it looked like you wanted to cameron, you know, i was just going to add about, about russia. it, it's an open question. how bothered a trump administration is going to be by the arrival of russia on the concept we've obviously seen in other parts of the world and the trump administration. president

trump himself wanting to, to work with president putin wanting to find a way to accommodate rushes, interest, and concerns, not just in europe but, but in other places around the world. i also think he's going to have a kind of narrowly defined set of interest in africa, and i don't know that stability and security in molly or berkeley. and if also is going to be on his list of priorities. he may well be very happy to see russia become mired in conflict in the central sally and states. he may also be, you know, very happy to let europe deal with its own immigration problem from the central sally in states and not think that that's a concern that washington needs to inject itself into. so that actually might be a welcome change. uh, you know, for african countries who have seen a washington inserting itself militarily and otherwise into, into a problem cases on the content, but not being able to,

to resolve them. so this could be a welcome change ebenezer, you wrote a piece in august and which you said that african citizens are simultaneously distrustful and resentful, and their government. and you argued in the piece the trust can be regained. and the one way would be for working towards changing the impression the political offices exist only for the acquisition of personal well, do you believe that citizens of various african countries at this point believe that their leaders would work potentially toward this goal? during a 2nd, trump presidency working with somebody who is so transaction i hope they do. i don't think it's about. oh is in washington. see always in the white house. i tend to question here is i i'm coming back to the question of, of agency. i think this is about always in power in different countries. i think mainly for con, i mean if you think about the cruise decide that took place, i pro decide it might be in the j. it book cannot fossil in getting

a different building. can it be so young people came out onto the street around with that kind of sales? no rush on flies the way in the corporate. that's my argument. that's always been. it's not because the loved immediately is because the frustrated with the politicians in power. the fact that that's been indeed that should change in the white house is no going to change that if it transaction of presidents trying to help stabilize african countries bring political accountability, especially among the needs, emphasized questions of govern us on board the feet of deadly power i don't think any african citizens are going to have any complex solomon. one of the things you mentioned a couple of minutes ago that i wanted to follow up with you about was humanitarian aid and also human rights. what would you expect from the incoming trump administration? when it comes to those 2 issues, because especially when it comes to human rights and his 1st term trumps approach

to human rights in africa, was characterized by very much of lack of engagement on that issue of how much that might that impact the content going forward on that and also when it comes to monitoring 8 i think look, when it comes to your mind sorted aid, as well as a human rights with respect for your mind. it's on an a, the us has been a major architect on the african continent. so they expect they should need that, that would continue during that time, but ministration. when people have question is how the 2 modifying aid would be used? would it be instrumental? i isd a, as you mentioned for function on ends, ends therefore uh it wouldn't be used as has been used previously. or basically, the previous way of providing, do you mind if i assistance for people was really in need of assistance would

continue from the side of the us not these really. the kids got a question on the question of human rights. i think be a perhaps, i don't think that would be a lot of expectations in any case during the cut and by then i'd ministration that has been too much expectation, but not as much daily, very on live areas where the end of the in terms of priority kaz good, if you think about it with the feet of feet in the uh, foreign policy priority of the kind of documentation of president biden on the incoming administration of uh, president trump. if you look at that from the perspective of the resources that that are located this time, that's not a committed to african fights. you would clearly see that the norm is difference between the us as our pension profit got a decade or 2 decades ago. and they used to saw attention during the kind of

thought to be additional plays done by that. i really don't see how that would improve during the president tons administration. and then wouldn't be set 10 things on which president time may be as coming to mention very active and you know, uh uh for, for word uh, engaging. and those would be really one methods that may be considered to be of interest to the us. just create a company and runs um the and, and those uh, economic related issues. but on the aspect such of uh, you know, advancement of human rights. i think for mainly enough because there is a growing good condition that this is a monster that com becomes nipped. we increasingly see add their own bad feelings, try them that they need to engage with. and i think it's important to recognize that for some leaders on the continent, this would be

a part unity that they see. oh gosh. okay. with that i'm, we kind of business, he's done the action and therefore he wouldn't be bullied that he would in both of us. we still meet with the we still many requirements about human and demo, cuz you can imagine that those, those, those leaders would of this point in time, be very happy not, you know, do that. they don't have, you know, according from the us telling them about this or that you have a nice camera. we don't have a whole lot of time left. but i do want to dedicate a couple of minutes to a sudan. there are calls for washington to start playing a bigger role in trying to stop the conflict there. how likely is that? as well as so i think there's an opportunity. i think there's an opening uh, probably not so much with the end of the, by the administration. i think that a bite and it has too much of a mixed record on sudan right now. he has a special envoy who seems disconnected from the leadership here, who's running around the region with

a lot of energy. but it's not really been able to get the parties to sit down. clearly the parties to the conflict are not interested in a dialogue at this point or talk of a ceasefire. but i think that trump administration and elizabeth campaigned in the united states on ending wars. and it doesn't have to just be the war and ukraine or the war and in gaza that he, that the trumpet ministration ends. uh, there's a real opportunity. i think the, the end of this war, it might not look like how the, by the administration would do it. i suspect that a trump team will turn to the region and ask egypt, saudi arabia, u e to say, you know, you are the region. you have an interest, a greater interest in this region than we do, but this war is bad for business, right? it is shut down, 50 percent of the global commodity trade through the red sea. and it is costing the african continent massively in terms of last g, d,

p. so this war is bad for business. it doesn't make sense. you need to figure out a way forward. i don't think a trump team will be particularly invested in what kind of government emerges in sudan coming out of this, which has been, i think, the sticking point for the by did ministration, demanding a democratic civilian rule in the country. i think that a trump team is going to be probably more pragmatic looking for an end to the war and an ability to reach the $25000000.00 plus people in meetings to dance and then figure out later on what a success or government really looks like all right, we've run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest, cameron hudson solomon there. so and ebenezer aubrey, and thank you too for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'd 0. com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age and side story. you can also during the conversation on x r handle is at a inside story for me from a gentleman the whole thing here,

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