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hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying amsterdam today is tense and divided. the usually peaceful city is struggling to shake off the feeling of unease following a night of violence. promote by fans of these rarely football club. maccabee tel aviv visiting supporters tore down and burn palestinian flags and abuse people of arab descent and the lead up to their clubs. europa league match against local giants, a x in the dodge, capital champ of slogan and support of israel's war on gaza and vandalized. businesses and vehicles, the angry backlash that followed, and the official response to it is raising questions to the incidents that lit the fuse have been foreseen and prevented. as the official response been biased, does it highlight deep rooted racism and just on a phobia, we'll tackle these issues with our experts in a moment. but 1st, this report by victoria gave me the dam is in a state of shocks. last thursday, thousands of funds from a copy televi football tubs visited the city from israel to that same 0 police game against i. x before the match they gathered in the city center,

many was seen with him down palestinian flags and chanting races. slogans. outraged includes many of arab descent. confronted these refunds after the match or protest and the judge capital have since been bend. and the means is still tense, exposing deep reaches divisions. induct society. i'm sure it is anti semitic reasons due to the things that happened. but i think the bigger explanation is the war and the genocide is that of the government under the leadership of the far right freedom policies is quick to ask. the strong measures against muslims involved in the violence including deportations and to fill receives and both the netherlands and israel, naples of islands, and just submitted avoiding giving context that might suggest a different narrative. the headed, the collective against is let me say be a says,

this is dangerous language and that the attacks were responds to violence of races, insults spies really supposes. and you know, jewish citizen in amsterdam has become a victim of all we see is a witch hunt potable ization for training. muslims has terrorists. what they're really trying to do is normalize what israel's doing in palestine and silence all those who protest against it. the mayor of amsterdam survived a vote of no confidence on choose day during an emergency meeting of the city council or 3 causes of benevolence, jewish population, well measured by the nazis during the 2nd world war. and she says she stands by her initial response to the violence it come. i can imagine that this could remind people of a program that's my assessment. we are aware that there's been issues around with hobbies towards us too. but it was a terrible shock. allows us friends an incident and i can imagine that this could remind people of a holocaust, i'm not taking that back to management pool, concluded the writer, triggered by talk st. mix of anti semitism, hoping,

hooliganism, and, and of israel's were wrong cause the end it's ground defensive in lebanon. having identified what they say of the causes don't show source ease. now face trying to bring tense and divided communities back together. victoria gave some b, l, g 0 for inside story. but that's parliament has discussed the fall out of the football violence in amsterdam steadfast and has more from the hague. last week's riots and answer them involving my coffee tele, fif football, science and residents of answer them as quickly develop into a huge political fallout. and also sanctions in the city and divisions filed in society here in parliament as a fiery debate asked for by the far right leader, the leader of the largest bar to here in the netherlands to freedom party. she has to wield us. he asked for this debate and he started off really come diamond the violence against it's really france calling it organized a jew hunt anti semitism. and he's also been asking for

a very strong measures against the people from of what he now says is the doctor moroccan, a community you are in for basically involved in these rights of police. hasn't confirmed any of this, but he is now is asking to withdraw even there at the passport if they have to pass . but if it's proven that they are involved in the violence, so just according to the opposition is really adding fuel to defy a way to even more decisions in society. and they ask them for responsible leadership. but it's very clear here from what's happening today in the hague. that's what happened in a i'm so them on thursday that this is really adding a debate about immigration, about islam. and it's actually really being used for political means by to finalize governments here. and then alan's steps last, and alex's era inside story the violence has expos rifts, and that's the society that we can explore further with our guests in the hague.

when rabbani is a non resident fellow at the center of conflict and humanitarian studies and answer them just e mail 1000 is an answer them to the counsel member for the political party devona . and also joining us from the hey, you've all gone is a jewish community activists who co founded the anti zionist group area of rough. welcome to inside story. thanks so much for being with us today. j z. let me start with you today. all the protest and the does capital have been banned. how tense does the mood in amsterdam remain? well, uh, thank you for having me. i would say the situation is quite a tense. uh, for example, there will be another demonstration uh today because uh, the fact that the demonstration band originally was only supposed to be last weekend got extended until last uh until uh this thursday. and also the mirror yesterday in the debates said that it is possibly going to be extended.

so both of us in, in the protesters they are angry because the grounds on which these, on which this demonstration band is based, they say, and i also agree with that is uh, is based upon, uh, the zionist uh frame. and that it was actually uh the people with amsterdam who uh, initiate it uh the violence that they did photograms against dues that they were to hunting. but i think we will talk more about the context of that later dizzy. let me also ask you from your point of view, what could officials have done to prevent violence in writing and the 1st place as well. so of course, this is the point that the made into debate yesterday. and this is also what we mentioned before the match on thursday that this uh, football club should have never been uh, welcomed in amsterdam to begin with. that's how you chris prevented the 5 minutes. and if you wanted to let this club come any way,

you can also prevent the defense from coming to the end today. and then even in the situation like it happened last thursday, the defense should have been, um, uh or i should say them a copy hooligans day should have been. um, well, what's more closely by the police because uh the may are actually, uh, a point to some areas in amsterdam as so called safety zones where the police has more uh, like, rights to uh, make sure everythings stay safe. but even within the safety sounds, my copy hooligans were able to not only sing genocidal chance, but also with tech people that looked like arabs and also pro stones, for example, through the houses that had published in the flags. so there's a lot of a lot of things that went from there. you've all, i saw you reacting quite

a bit to what jeezy was saying that looked like you wanted to jump in. so i'll let you do that. you know, i, i completely agree with everything. judy said, i mean the, the reason to kick you out over a fee, fine, we're not allowed. is kind of gauge to, to go on because of the genocide and because the patients but it's fine. but also anybody who is any kind of knowledge on the phone and they still have display to realize of concern for folks. so i'm sort of in the middle of that at least then kind of go. and we also see a few videos. the police is a c to not that at all when people are being attacked by i'm so that i'm going to get it. but here my god, me when again. and that also to the bank of i. so why don't we do it with

a really good says this police and they're not doing anything wireless friends or taking off a personal check for right now. um, so yeah, that's definitely part of the story you bought. let me also ask you a, from your perspective, what does this incident reveal about what's going on currently induct society and, and how deep rooted are the divisions? well, i think, you know, it's, it's clear that a lot of our media differently, a lot of our politicians rush really quickly to find what has happened as and to some of the guidelines. they want to weaponized opportunities against the side movement. but they also want to push this problem away from why does society and to muslims and arabs to so i, i found it really allow me and i also found the extra,

the police to be really scared in the morning. let me get your take on this. i know we've spoken about this a little bit already, but from your vantage point, should the incidents that with this fuse had been foreseen and prevented? and why were thousands of mac could be tel aviv supporters known and having a reputation for violence and anti europe slogans. why should they have been allowed to visit amsterdam while israel is waging this war on cause as well? i think we need to view this entire situation in the broader context of is really impunity which has become a central doctrine of the western governments. i think the 1st responsibility should be placed on the leadership of the international football federations fee for and you

a fellow who really have absolutely no excuse not to have dealt with his real years ago. the same way they have more recently and almost immediate fashion dealt with the russian football association and russian football clubs, literally within days of the russian invasion of, of ukraine. but as of both mister felt has and industry gold was saying, this could have been foreseen if one is even in a cursory way. familiar with this particular um uh, football club and its supporters or with the situation in the netherlands. what we've had now as we speak, so that's part of the event is a rough day and a festival of 8th directed added to on citizens. those of middle eastern background, moroccans in particular. i mean, it's important to understand that in the netherlands is now being ruled by an

individual, 50 builders who makes donald trump looked like a social net, a democrat, and the prime minister that he is a point. dig skulls is really the dots equivalent of j edgar hoover, and they have gone out of their way to insight and insight and insight against their own citizens. and uh, you know, grand standing also because there is a war of position being conducted in increasingly chaotic dots politics between the right and the left and the right and the aides and within the fall. right. so all of this grandstanding is partially about the situation that we've seen in the past week, but it's also about them trying to preserve their position and increase their power of these, of each other and, and, and, you know, more broadly, even the leader of the ducts, opposition has framed this entire issue within the context of anti semitism

builders. so according to news reports in parliament today, even went so far as to say, anti semitism was invented by us now. and so quite clearly, you know, it has nothing to do with the situation and gaza has nothing to do with the conduct of these races, genocidal hooligans rampage through the center of the dots capital. but it's really a problem of anti semitism. in other words, perpetrators are the victims, and those are they attacked. are the aggressors g z i, i saw you uh, nodding along to a lot of wooden wayne was saying there, i'm gonna give you a chance to go ahead and respond. yeah, thank you. yeah, i agree with with both speakers actually because uh, i think uh it says to say that the bill this has been waiting for a moment like there's a to point the finger at migrants and uh what you also saw on that is very interesting to mention here is that on fridays bill, those who of course has

a very well known racist and a muslim hater. he set down with the speaker of the cat set. and as a reaction to this right away after it does the government officials, politicians and media, they rolled out the red carpet for officials from these rarely regime. and also for the sign is propaganda. so what we see is basically, i think you can describe it in 3 fold. so rather than what happened last week is being used to escape goat muslims in the netherlands to push the agenda of the extreme right. which is a hateful towards muslims. uh it is, uh it is, it is a slim a forward a 2nd. so you're using it also to restrict the right to protest because since the beginning of the pro palestinian student protests, the seem like has been a. busy claim for restrictions on the right to protest and here in amsterdam,

specifically, the student protests have been beaten down sufficiently by the police would, which i consider to be in a crazy amount in the police uh, 5 minutes for 4, peacefully protesting students. and then the 3rd is what i mentioned before the due date on wednesday. also induced to refer to design is the gen that also with inc, the desk government. and it is, i think, highly likely and used to be up to the government, which the genocide against the public opinion is going to increase. you've all i want to ask you about the fact that your organization error of rav cancelled a crystal. now come m ration event at the jewish resistance monument at amsterdam for security reasons, as i understand it, the way that the police and answer them reacted to the actions of the my copy. tell of you fans is one of the reasons, could you elaborate as to why this decision was made when i read the it's the main

reason that we can solve this. we have to cancel, we had discussions with the police and the local uh, restriction on wednesday morning when we explained or very clearly to get the one that's on the basis of the call guys eventually that we explained it very clearly. the 3, a scale of the on the mind, we'll schedule those as groups, but the police seem to be more interested in uh, in uh, actually, so they can, for example, they told us a few times to bill scared that we really damaged the monument, where we were all the, the we were supposed talk to someone and were not explain to them. you know, concepts of jewish people are the 3 of them at the store and one of them and to the cost is going to be offensive. they said where we are scheduled by the communities

and they seem very interested in the course. you know, we're going to talk about the function of crossing. we're going to talk about that because you cannot remember that going across the door was mentioning the genocide warranty. started a sofa. and then really we saw the way that they behaved unity that the games. oh i see. i see the 1st thing was the found the door binding incidents for for these kind of let them happen. so then we have to make a decision. um, are we going to can we fix this for civility for the behavior of the, of the police in our fitness? what's the reason for the safety of our members? but also we also scared that the police is going to use our as an excuse to it, that other people across the street,

the 1000000. let me ask you about the fact that the mayor of amsterdam sent from kit house and my she faced a lot of criticism for having use the term program to describe a tax on is rarely fans at a city council meeting on tuesday. she was asked about why she had use that term and she said that she wasn't going to take it back from your perspective. is that kind of language particularly dangerous that at a time like this as well, of course, um, and as you know today, and part of the event we had a one party leader, got really informed of gloss, who basically is the representative of factory business and deductive government, i'm comparing what happened to the 19 thirty's and, and, and 19 forties and, and, you know, it's just completely over the top, this grand standing with respect to the mayor of amsterdam from offend culture about she's the former leader of the green left party. and when she was, i mean,

she received, you know, more massage and a stick and sexist attacks from vill to send his followers. then there has been in the entire history of the slum, i should add. and, and part of part of what's going on here is that the right is going after her and they want to remove her from office and replace or with someone more to their liking of that. also, i think he explains all the attacks against police, against the police force, which, you know, like any other police force in europe or north america's institutionally racist. and as, as mr. gal was explaining, was basically defending and protecting, rather than suppressing the hooligans as, as they went about their own little pol groman amsterdam against people of the era, the appearance and the problem with, with the may or is it rather than responding uh with,

with reality rather than defending the residents of her own city, against these thugs who had come to terrorize them. she too decided to place this entire incident in the context of anti semitism as if people were, were not being attacked by these will lagoons and m as if the reasons people started attacking these little against had nothing to do with um, uh, what they were doing in the city, but was motivated purely and exclusively by to hatred. and, and that's the general tenor, and this entire political class of this country, from the king, the looks on the, on down to the leader of the opposition and the mayor of amsterdam, the o employee, a fuse to come out in defense of their own citizens. and replacing the blame on once again on the victims of these thoughts rather than pointing the finger at

these will against themselves. morning, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but i want to follow up on something you said earlier you earlier in one of your answers. you said that parliament was erupt being in a, in a festival of 8, cuz there is an inquiry that is underway right now that it's looking further into the violence as well as the actions of the dutch authorities. do you expect that that is something that could actually help ease tensions or do you foresee that it's going to make things worse? a look. the problem with holland now with the netherlands, is that it is on the verge of experiencing a situation similar to that. we saw in great britain over the summer with the difference that while the government in london basically sent in law enforcement well, seeking to downplay on the antique asian, an antique motion of elements of what was happening here. you have

a government and prime minister administers and coalition partners who were actively, constantly inciting against their own citizens with pure unadulterated, h read. and so it could end up very much worse than that. but we saw, as far as this inquiry is concerned, it really depends on who's going to be in charge. what are their terms of reference? and if it speaks the truth, will it lead to even more polarization from builders and, and his, and his supporters or will it be kind of a cover of that will once again, emphasize this false narrative. ringback that what was really happening here was an extension of the holocaust or, or of sorest pogroms or of anti semitism. more generally, you know, there's also part of what's going on here is also an attempt to frame what is happening in the middle least as not the result of what is real was doing to the

palestinians, but to place it up to present it. also as ultimately nothing more and nothing less than an anti submitted campaign against the jewish people. a jeezy i saw your eyes . yeah, i'm going to let you chime in there. but i also want to ask you uh, the government, under the leadership of the far right freedom party, was quick to ask for strong measures against muslims involved in the violence including deportations from your vantage point. where does that take things going forward as well? uh if it's okay, i would like to come back to the 1st question. you meant us before about the mirror whole summer because i'm in the city council and i want to say here that a are may or lied in the city council about a mostly mostly moment that was hit on the head by a riot police while she was looking for her child c, n c collapse that she ended up on the floor with a blood covered in a way to face

a covered in blood. and she has this line now has been exposed by an independent uh, medium acre left laser, but also uh next to the fact that the mirror doesn't take back to using the word bug room. she didn't come back to us saying that the, my god, the who guns she shouldn't have been welcome. she also mentioned that the possible that the demonstration band is possibly going to be extended. she defendant, the defendant, the police and, and you can sum it up as that she still has a hold held on to one side of the frame that is basically being set out by zionist design. is mdx seen right? being propaganda is and what happened as a result of everything that's being, that's been going on in amsterdam. it broke out to riots, broke out in a new west district. and on monday and yesterday they completely shut off all

public transport in us. so people from that district where the majority of our muslim community lives had to walk a well kilometers to get home. and this is exactly what the people that i spoke to were afraid off. because one of the people from the neighborhood actually told me in the night, quote that the actions of individuals will lead to collective punishments against a whole must name community. and i think that's perfectly describing what happened and what is happening as we speak. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we just have about a minute and a half left i. i saw you've all also uh, looking like you wanted to interject you. well, i want to ask you 1st um, how much political fall out might there be? and then the other ones going forward when it comes to all this and how concerned are you that this, this is only going to get worse? well, i think we can really see that it's kind of good process. i think that the 1st step

is to me and which is all being fine and be part of the media, including a public term with gusty. i don't know why, and again, they're, they're very much interested in keeping more testing. just find the most importantly, i submitted on the gone through this and, and people from both communities, archie multi to come together and to night. and that's also something i can say i, i do agree to, you know, the most important point from, from our perspective should be to the city of amsterdam and the government of benevolence. they have to so uh, collaborate the genocide in 1st time. that is the main issue and um, uh sometimes your last demonstration something for patients. but usually our fire because the orange refuses to take responsibility for the way the cities

b as in relation to the genocide, she's never introducing any kind of sanctions on the investment. oh boy, good is u haul, i'm sorry. you've all, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we have run out of time so we're going to have to leave the conversation there . but thanks so much all of our guess, winner of bonnie jeezy, both housing and you've all gone us and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. i'd 0. com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age and side story. you can also during the conversation on x r handle is at a j inside story for me and how many times human a whole team here, bye for now, the look at actual information on the ground looks at the way that this issue is framed

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