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a filmmaker, ralph, and also viet time when on the power of political lot, what all the stories we tell sales about also. and how do we base our past to change our future studio be unscripted upon one on i will just sierra a 30 day deadline to allow more aid into gaza has come and gone. agencies say israel has failed to act on the demands of as big as alex. so why isn't that us holding israel to account? and are washington words of concern about the humanitarian crisis and gaza? just work. this is inside the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much i'm june. the united nation special committee says israel's warfare methods and guys that are consistent with genocide
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in a new report the you and says he's real as intentionally causing the death of civilians and aid workers using starvation as a weapon of war. and inflicting collective punishment on palestinians. human rights watch says 90 percent of gods as people have been forced from their homes and a mass displacement drive that rights. groups are calling a war crime and ethnic cleansing, us issued an ultimatum to israel allow more 8 and the guys that were cut off their supply weapons. but the deadline for that has passed and tremendous. terry and organizations say the situation is only getting worse. so why doesn't the us act, and can anyone else hold as real to account? we'll tackle these issues with our experts in a moment. but 1st, this report from victoria gave me the people of darrow bonnet and central garza say supplies. this gas is a que hours for some of the limited a that gets in the summer fund. yeah. we in guys that stop at what has nothing reaches us. they said they would bring a to guys, a customer that they've brought and explosives, and besides someone else,
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the last month the us government gave israel 30 days to increase the amount of a reaching hungry palestinians in gauze or risk losing ministry support for the war . the people here say there's been no improvement. i'm going to tell you the situation is going from bad to worse. it's catastrophic america has the ability to put pressure on the as rarely use and increase the amount of aid. but it chooses not to do us. is deadline expired on tuesday, but washington says israel has made some progress and it won't take any action against its ally and i'm warning anymore. we at this time have not made an assessment that they are. and that b is really, is, are in violation of us law. but most importantly, we are going to continue to watch how the steps that they've taken, how they are being implemented. this assessment by the us israel as much as the provider of weapons is in spite of international aid agencies declaring that israel
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has failed to increase humanitarian access to gaza. after 13 months of which the entire population is $2300000.00 palestinians is relying on age for survival, in news and gaza food security experts and rights groups won't. salmon is imminent . and human rights which is accusing is ready for says if i'm missing rule crimes by forcibly displacing more than 90 percent of gauze is population. the us secretary of state says he's deeply concerned about the humanitarian situation in gaza. he's urging israel to ended school having in his was accomplished at some of that tree goals. it was rightly determined to make sure to the best of its ability that october 7th would never happen again. to do that, said that it needed to dismantle the military organization from us and to get the leadership that was responsible for october 7th. it's done both of those things. so this should be a time to end the war the you and is struggling to get
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a to palestinians in large part because of these rails restrictions. humanitarian groups say is a full series of kills at least $28.00 work is in gaza in the past month. victoria gates and b l g 0, the inside story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests in cairo tomorrow. i don't know if i spoke person for underway and or how, how somebody professor of international affairs at other university and in london, nadia hardaman research or in the refugee and migrant rights division of human rights watch. a very warm welcome to you all and thank so much for joining us today on inside story tomorrow. let me start with you today. the you in special committee to investigate is really practices has issued a report saying that israel's warfare and gaza is consistent with the characteristics of genocide with mass civilian and life threatening conditions intentionally imposed on palestinians there. that's what the report says. it also
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goes into details about how the extensive bombing campaign and guides and has decimated essential services and on lease and environmental catastrophe that will have lasting health impact. i want to ask you, how consistent are these findings with what hon. i have seen on the ground in god. the other one is and has been since the beginning of this conflict, the largest humanitarian agency, a young guy. and consequently, it has eyes and ears with it in the palestine that balance than he had been anything of the most of which has indeed been forcibly displaced repeatedly on average. sometimes once a month for 90 percent of the population under the bombing under low strikes during an increased fluid insecurity. the amount of the fireman we have a lot more on the doors place and no, no, no where is faith and god? well, no one is safe and increasingly the population has been,
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has been made. how great has not had access to adequate humanitarian and medical care. so everything we've been reporting on for the last year. this boils down to a population that is extremely scary, have only be displaced. i'm hungry today. tomorrow i want to also ask another question with regard to this you in special committee report, it talks about the ongoing smear campaign and other attacks against hon and the un at large. it says this deliberate silencing of reporting, combined with this information and attacks on humanitarian workers, is a clear strategy to undermine the vital work of the un server, the lifeline of age, still reaching gaza and dismantle the international legal order. my question to you, what have the ramifications of all this been for your aid workers there and your colleagues? i want to say that to date 246 of my colleagues have been killed in
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gaza during this war over this last year. i also want to confirm that since the beginning of this war and that and i wonder why campaign primarily rolled out just through social media rank deal early, quoting senior israeli officials, but also a lot of the groups and some very by, as a journalist, the tractors have thought to describe the that you when of large is specially parts of the you when the report on human heat, human rights to many terry and law violations under y has been particularly targeted by those different information and this information campaign. we have been surrounded by claims that have not been substantiated and we have taken all of the allegations extremely seriously because as i enjoyed the agency, we really,
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really strive for an impeccable as heroes through the humanitarian principles. but the result is, once we become to the target of a key, our campaign and some of our part there is governments donors and retract their political and their financial support. so for an agency that is still the largest and gaza and that's still around the schools for dallas by refugee children across the region. we cannot afford such a quick reaction by governments, by the donors, by over often, unsubstantiated claims that are too early out of all the decides they should. nadia human rights watch has a new report out today. it accuses is really forces of committing war crimes by forcibly displacing more than 90 percent of gods as population. your report also states the following. the organized force displacement of palestinians in gaza has removed much of the palestinian population from land and specific areas of gaza
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that for decades and generations have been their home. you believe that the intention of the israeli army is essentially to ensure that these areas remain permanently empty and that this is evidence of ethnic cleansing? correct? yes, thank you. thank you for that summary. um, i mean essentially the, the report also finds evidence of crimes against humanity. i think that's important to highlight that we have found multiple acts of force displacement throughout this conflict that continues to this day. and that because of the systematic nature, because it is underlined by state policy is rarely state policy. it amounts to a crime against humanity and we're recommending that the i c. c's prosecutor also investigate for us the space one as a crime against humanity and prevention of the right to return. i mean, this report essentially the bunks and impacts israel's claim that it is evacuating people safely. we goes through the laws of war on force displacement and
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demonstrate how the condition to evacuate people that lawfully have not been met. have been flagrantly breached evacuation orders have been issued and consistently full of errors, while areas were under attack. you know, there been a tax on say son's. we verified them as well as attacks and evacuation roots the humanitarian situation. an occupying power can only evacuate people if it adheres to stretch conditions. people must be allowed to access food, water, shelter, hygiene. and instead we know that israel is using starvation as a weapon of war, but the humanitarian aid is your coverage is already highlighted as well. so the, inadequate to meet the needs of the population. and this is by intention and last name. perhaps more importantly, i hope you find po is required to facilitate the return of people once the
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hostilities have end from the areas in which they were evacuated from. and instead, what we seen as the wide spread destruction across casa and in the areas intentionally done. so where is rarely forces have taken control of the area and implements and control demolitions res, saying and bulldozing. nowhere can we see this more clearly than the buffer zones and the security car doors where we see that palestinians have been an estimate trade cleansed from these areas. now the, i'm glad you brought up the issue of evacuation orders because that is something i wanted to ask you more specifically about, you know, we hear a lot about how is real continues to issue these forced evacuation orders. and you mentioned in your report that article 49 of the geneva convention states that civilians should be moved in safety. that the goal of an evacuation system during war time is to protect civilians from the dangers of conflict based on your research. and what you've told me in your previous answer, that's just never been the case and gotten that right. yeah,
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exactly. and you know what we've done in human rights watch and you know why it's taking a so long to put all this evidence together is because we analyzed evacuation system . we analyze a 184 evacuation orders across different platforms to really understand the way in which information was being disseminated or not disseminated. i spoke to a woman who used the interactive blog grid to check whether her block who was say for whether she would leave that area. and instead of, you know, it was, it was marked his face a not slated for evacuation. later that day there was an attack. you know, luckily she survived, but her relatives building and her own building were damaged and destroyed in this attack. how can people rely on a system that doesn't? it doesn't fit its purpose. and so right now with the middle trans funds to the north gauze, or of course these concerns from pain because we are seeing again, these are the occupation orders were nowhere a space to go. people continuously have to move areas are declared on that. so it
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was one day say, sorry, as another alma wasi humanitarian zone. the israel keeps on telling people to go to has changed its boundaries at least 14 times during this conflict. how should i want to look at a different aspect to all this, which is, of course the us is continuing, steadfast support of israel and how that's impacting all of this last month. the us government gave us real 30 days to increase the amount of a going into gaza or risk losing military support for the work that us deadline expired on tuesday. but washington says, israel has made some progress and then it won't take any action likely against it's like going forward from your perspective, with israel during this time at all concerned that the us would actually pull military aid that israel might actually face ramifications for not getting more aid into gaza or did they just feel comfortable to continue waiting the war and the way that they've been doing as well. thank you. how much for this very important
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question, and i think the way the government, the never talked to the american uh, demand seriously and nothing you all of them said was saying in one of his interview was absolutely the only one in this. what? who would many play their market administrations in a way that would serve this way the address. so i've seen this before, you know all these nice, where it's coming from and bindings and thinking about the war and guys about the need to start with a war about the need to have at a make a mean terry and pays and reaching those in need but when it comes to action, uh, you know, the americans have never for a company or, uh, what can even it have dentist's threat to these ladies. and for this reason, these rate is a continued or as a huge one. and they hear this one thing that we have to take this in the contents of the american domestic politics. these right is realize that the bye didn't was
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in somehow within that it probably that at he is not in any position to impose anything. again as well. and nothing ever just by time. so it was, you know, every time the talk so by then me with all the say the nice thing that he was willing to indoor it provided that these very conditions are met by the same time that he's doing everything possible to, to undermine even the chances of reaching cease by a because the objectives are not aligned with those on the internet should give me the name of the stuff in the war and leave an exchange of prisoners. it has been let me also ask you about the fact that uh the us x ray estate anthony blinking um, just in the past couple of days, he's urged israel once again to end the war on gaza. he said that his real had accomplished its military goals. um, but the fact of the matter is that blank can travel to israel 11 times since october 7, 2023. and most of those diplomatic commissions ended in failure dis, blinking really think, especially now the biden is leaving office and the trump has been elected again,
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this is blinking. really believe now that he actually has leverage i don't think that the genuinely believes that he can make any difference and what is taking place right now. and we've got this as a job is you know, status. i'm come to the region and find to iron out the differences between different bosses. but i think deep down, he knows that he can make any, any difference simply because the way it is i would have to stop the war is not the objectives of the war. and we don't know what, what to navigate, there's the war on actually be talked about and reducing the hostages 8 spots if the deal is not into that t one. so i think can change the static for in that. and but assignment in particular are in gather he's trying to reset the normal guy. so he's trying to even force expansions on the scene. but because i think the object to the door, i'll be changing all the time. and you know,
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depending on what is taking the basement on the ground and nothing you don't understand that they can. there is, there's not the guy who would make the difference. he's not the guy who would really put the pressure on honda is what it is. every time he comes to the region, he yeah, i did it fine with these ladies, names and underscore and demands as we've seen this before. so i think what bank is doing right now is just doing his job is waiting for january 20th to um, you know, go home to nadia. the human rights watch report urges the international community international actors to do more to apply pressure on israel to stop all of this. um, but that just hasn't been happening. i mean, what needs to happen from your perspective in order to end the war in order to end all of his files. mean, we need to see, i mean, public condemnation, immediately of these war crimes, the amounts are crime against humanity. i mean,
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but you know, meaningful action would be felt in the forms of an immediate association or a suspension of military assistance and weapons, transference, trip, weapons transfers. and if it comes through it by law sort of agreements, you know, as, as you were talking about this one month deadline that has passed through the bite and ministration gave, it passes and there is no consequence. so what kind of message does that set out? we need to focus on what can be done and in the, and, you know, the friday of suspension of military assistance reading might actually time simply means something. of course, we'd like to see the, the investigation at the international criminal court progress and more cooling on the prosecutors also investigate, forced to force displacement as and the prevention of the right to return. but really, the kind of message that i think will be felt would be the suspension of my tre assistance. tomorrow. 8 organizations say the situation in gaza has only deteriorated since the us set that deadline last month. how difficult is it
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currently getting a into guys or how much of that is due to is really restrictions and, and currently, what are the logistics like? what are the challenges? giving aid and to garza and excruciating, lee difficult for my own colleagues that underwater and especially for my colleagues, these are the i'm in the face of a population that has the price of safety of food, of clean drinking, long term of medicines, of tens of powerful leads of winter clothes. it is extremely difficult to be in a good work during the field responsible and feel completely have cost the aid going into gaza has been going in by the trico. so with only one or 2 border crossings open and very cumbersome, logistics for screening for checking once the convoy is,
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it takes forever to get any aid. and also once the aid is in, on the godaddy side of the border crossing, there has been increased. lawlessness. tell us, primarily driven by people feeling hungry, a best broke, and therefore there's also now lack of 60 for the aides, con voice, the drivers and the people who are in charge of receiving the aid and taking it to warehouses. the shelter is having said that the primary reason for the very acute, too many serious situation is the extremely strange time restrictions on the access of a aid has been weaponized during this conflict people. and does i have been shocked out of receiving food, receiving medicine and receiving basic services and even when they try the shelter
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and find a you want bill big thinking, but protection of the one slide. many of these buildings, including other as shelters, have been hint, killing people inside them. now the i tell you are reacting just now to what tomorrow was. say it looked like you wanted to jump in, so go ahead if you'd like to, you know, i is just, you know, um, thinking about how these uh, protections that, you know, are part of this, the lower on, on force displacement. you know, basically if you evacuate the population, you have to provide for that population. so the idea that these rarely authorities are saying it is, it is not for us to be displacing it as evacuating people safely. it's just, you know, quite overwhelming and listening to, you know, the, the situation for people on the ground to get humanitarian aid and should never be this difficult. people are starving. all they want is food and water and survival. and it's possible um, but it is being wilfully blocked how soon there is
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a lot of speculation right now as to what the next steps will be. now that donald trump has been re elected and will be returning to the white house, come january. um, some believe that netanyahu, israel's prime minister, might be willing to in the war in gaza as a gesture to trump, who in the past has indicated he'd like to see that war wind down. my question to you. number one is, do you expect that to happen? and number 2, if that were to happen, would that actually be an into the war, or would it just be, is real saying the war is ended and essentially doing what is most favorable for israel going for. and i was going to take a moment, i mean, i didn't have to just of all so i can see the project was going to happen in the end months to come. but so there's one thing that it struck and that down yeah, was the best interest in perpetuating them as really that's what i've seen as an
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february thing the war because he wants to reach the point where it is what it is. acknowledge that he has one door as clearly and to this moment a little so his rate is one thing that he has filled simply because the presidents hospitals and has all of the resistance moment. them dad was a more is what it is actually amazing that the only way to get them back is by assigning it'd be able to deal with a mass of course. so signing indeed would be that kind of bring the end of the war back to and if any, our wouldn't dream of 5th saying that he is looking for. and we know that if the work comes on in the probably a tough question would be raising his hand. then anthony, i would, would not be able to answer. and this wouldn't bring him to be even closer to the investigations and the court cases against him. and makes his line for you to talk 15. so he's actually buying time. but the thing here that you know, the phone call it between him and that, and that from what it's on said that he wants to have been dealt with the war
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before. he moved before his final gratian and probably anthony, i would to combine with that. but he would keep his options open and he would, he would not get there the door and able to reach a settlement with the, with the seat went on the app and probably looking for excuses to renew or the stronger fighting with the seniors. but the think that he can do, i think is, is level. i think he is in more in the leading into averaging or dealing with the idea that he knows that by getting a somehow leaning into that to cause one of his suspended laws is lebanese. now that he promised him the 111 and the, the 11 is achievable and all that, by the way, you know, given what, what was taking place over the last month. and then there is a way off having got trans off between that of any government. and that is where it is that the situation is totally different from the guy that i think the is what it is that miss janik machine. the guys are the right way and get it for one different
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unit or until the a t v. and the definition of victory is the sort of destruction of the palestinians . unless there's a question or on the bulk of the international committee. i don't think that and that to me i was going to stop and in the coming to a lot and indeed, 2 months to come tomorrow after the 13 months of war, almost the entire population of around 2300000 policies in gaza is relying on aid for survival, we know that the situation is extremely dire. i want to ask you about this law that was passed by israel's parliament. that's going to bar under was operations going forward. how much worse might that make the already catastrophic situation? and guys, what does that mean for the population there? i'm glad you're bringing this up because the passing off the total loss that them under off from working and i quote, entire entry under is really slower and see and the quote are on free. so them to
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this is a precedent. this is a huge in terms of one you, one member state defying the defining the one and the finding what we call in our language. the multi lateral system defines that un charter amplifying international law, including entering outside humanitarian law. so it's all in our work, in a place as a israel considers to be under a sovereignty. it is already extremely difficult, not only and also, but also in the west bank, including east jerusalem in these falls are truly implemented. then our work will be even more difficult. the suffering of palestinians will go deeper. and the survey over the future of palestine refugees out of their rights will grow bigger again, this is truly antics dreamily dangerous precedent. and speaking of the whole feel i troll system because you just as another really just asked during the show. once
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more the international community can do. we are in a situation wherever the international humanitarian system is mobilized on the multi electrolysis. the un general assembly, the, the international court of justice, but this time from 4 tours on the french fries are all mobilized. this is probably one of the most documented conflicts of recent times i, yes, the violations continue. our call for accountability and possibly a board inquiry rose higher. all right, well, we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests to model other. if i have somebody and nadia hardaman to thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website l 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ag inside story. you can also during the conversation on x r handle is at a j inside story for me, how much enjoying the whole team here,
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