the school most containing refugees keep coming. the actions of the military invitation has been described as the closing of the vision to tackle the world's climate crisis. year after year activists and sciences chalk out plans for nations to cut emissions for climate conferences achieving their objectives. and what are the challenges being faced by developing nations and climate defenders? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much i'm june china, india, and indonesia. i have shown some of the biggest increases in the emissions according to a report released at are you in conference climate scientists meeting and is there

by john are setting new targets to cut emissions and work out a plan on how rich nations can help achieve the goals financing has been one of the main sticking points at the cop 29 climate conference and back to the data comes as climate activists are growing increasingly frustrated. but what they see is the talks inability to clamp down on the use of fossil fuels and they accuse governments and companies are promoting rather than curbing them. so what action can the world's developing nations take the car pollution and tackle climate change? and at what cost will put this question and more to our guests in just a moment. but 1st this report, i'm sorry, go activist, have a clear message to develops nations. this is un climate science call thing design is a finance call, but we need more financing for the vulnerable nations. we need to make sure that the vulnerable nation will not just suffer again and again. and again. the conference is being hosted in azerbaijan,

capital and experts have estimated that poor nations will need at least $2.00 trillion dollars a year to mitigate the facts of climate change. it's a hefty price tag, but there's optimism, but understand the political and financial constraints. but let me make 2 points. first. these numbers based on b, but the not think compared to cost of election. this investments payoff spend seconds where fall in this together the away from the meeting holes. the climate crisis is no longer a distant threat, but some countries pocket stock is one of the world's most climate vulnerable nations. and it's still feeling the effects of devastating floods in 2022 that killed 1700 people and both millions from the homes. in recent days such an app pollution in the country. second largest city of the who has fox public

health emergency, amman made this off the that sped. no one. i've got the good can i get if you go to the doctor? everyone. there is either coffee. illness, runny nose, a cold. everyone is having the symptoms. so there is a high risk at the moment and because of small businesses really slow down the whole is in the province of punjab. that's a finding, a manufacturing hot fuel emissions from factories and vehicles have been a major problem for decades. they've been made was by farm is binding fields each yet per path. the new crow thoughts developing nations like focused on say without sufficient funding for climate protection. they have no way to boost their corner of the neighboring india that it has the same problem. it's prime minister, no render, moody was noticeably absent from cold and he wasn't the only one heads of states

from some of the wealthiest countries responsible for much of the wall. it's greenhouse emissions, like the us on china have also noticed, attended, raising serious questions about vac commitment in the fight against climate change . sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. the . all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests and back to suzanne lynch, associate editor with politico europe in new delhi. i'm here impala. use environmental list, and then pers, peter newman, professor of sustainability at christian university, a warm welcome to you all, and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. so then let me start with you today. climate finance is a central focus of comp $29.00. you are there in buck who is that's the main policy objective this year. and what is the target this time around? yes, it certainly is. money is the focus of this meeting here in baku with the international

community coming together to try and work out a target for, for, for climate finance, and not the bios and developed countries and doing their bit it to finance countries that are most impacted by time of change. now it's all about the figure at fox are these, and the goal seizure is going to arrive up at, in the last few days we've heard cold for a new target over a tree and per year trillion dollars per year until 2030. that's what some of you and figures are calling for here, but whether they agree to that figure, it seems quite a big leak from the existing targets. so this is what they're going to be working. i shared the goal features over the next week or so. yeah, so then when it comes to negotiations, i wanted to ask you about that because from, from your vantage point, how, why does the gap remain between what developing countries need in order to combat climate change and what the developed countries are actually willing to get?

yeah, well at the moment we're about halfway through the comp talks, and usually at this stage we would start seeing a better momentum. but really, the gap at this point is quite large. between walk these developing countries are asking for unblocked, the developed world are prepared to give as some of this is to do with corporate finance constraints and a lot of countries. for example, in europe, we've been, you add incoming administration now the united states and people don't know. i've had the commitments that are going to be coming forth from united states and then what, what other countries do if the united states was the quote back in any way. so they're the kind of big political financial questions that these countries need to ask themselves. and what we're going to see over the next few days and the environment ministers from across the world are going to land, year early next week, and really try and get this at the over the line. you know, it's supposed to finish next friday, but these trucks could go on after that. but at the moment, quite a big gap, but they still got at a chance to try and come up with some kind of compromise position. i'm here,

there's a new report that released at cop 29 that says the china india and indonesia and have shown some of the biggest increases in emissions from 2022 to 2023 right now in new delhi where you are all primary schools are closed in person classes until further notice, the government has band non essential construction in the city, and it's also of urged residents to avoid burning coal for heating all of this in order to combat worsening air quality. there's terrible smog all around. how bad exactly is the situation as well? the situation with ad but use and in delhi is, is absolutely basement right now. and i'm sorry to say that in, in boston and unexpected at all. um, you know, for the last of the 790 those we've been seeing that huge deal the quality in india and the new games at a clean across nothing. yeah. den stability to the between the months of october to

february and that's been happening. you feel at the same time as you said, india and china have increased that emissions drastically over the boss deal. and i think it's important to take note of the fact the same argument that in there has been made, can't the cops that we need to look at book appetite emissions? because india is one of the louis book at the time it does. but yes, the bottom line is that on emissions ongoing up unfortunately in the we'll continue to go up until it, unless we get that climate finance a boat that we so desperately need on it. but usually the government is implementing a slew of may hills of you know, when it comes to invest cheese, when it comes to the road, we isn't cancelled. but we need something that is not a stop yet. we need something that is not a temporary fix. and for that, i think the answer lies in transitioning to the new bill and transitioning between

hydrogen reached the government is trying to increase focus on here. i want to focus for a moment about how personal this issue is for you. you are a use environmental list. i've read where you said that you were diagnosed with bronchitis as a child due to air pollution exposure, obviously like so many other environmental listen active as of your generation, the future, the climate crisis and how it will impact the future. this is all very personal. i want you to tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got involved and all of this. absolutely. so, um, you know, back when i was in class seats about maybe 10 or 11 years ago. i used to be very indifferent about trying to change. i used to think much like a certain family us president. i used to think the climate change is a volks. i used to think that it's not my problem to deal with, but that's when i woke up to the reality of daily use, a quantity and i have even days that the, the doc, sig, e, q. why is that?

we the numbers that we see crossing 500 is on a debate reality, and it's not just diversity affecting my health, but that of every one i know one board so dearly around me in my life. and so that's when i sort of found this, but i still got into action and decided that i wanted to do something since then that's gosh, that's been one step up to the other. i joined the environment club in my school 3 or 4 years after that i started to fully and long initiative with the metro, which then went on to lead me several accolades and vacuum nation from the world over. and finally, i've been looking as a freelancer, now my, the job with a big focus on saturday and the accounting firm also has me. book is the sustainability advisor to the chairman. but on your point, very quickly, i think it's very important. so each and every one of us to find us the color

direction when it comes to climate change. because, you know, we start to this when we should say, because when we're blaming the government to be blaming confidence and it's got 80 percent of the change wouldn't come from them. and i always argue that the 1st 20 percent has to come from society. and so that to happen, each of us has to find out how climate change is affecting us and why we get so very often in my job because he, dogs, in my workshops, the focus of my messaging is why you should kids rather than giving them all these mess designed to take numbers which the bridges tend to forget. after afterwards. peter, these cop 29 talks, they are focused more on finance than previous cop 29th sessions. what do you say to that? i can developed countries from your vantage point. be convinced to give more than they have given in the past and to ensure that those finance goals that have been set are actually met going forward. well,

it is very important that's the developed world does contribute to the developing world in the finance that's needed, particularly about ada tyson. but the developed world has to be the ones who do the most in terms of getting rid of fossil fuels and creating a will that is net 0 because they're doing most have done in the past most of the emissions. and that's where the good news lies in the world of finance because to die and we have the sofa invested to trillion in the net 0 economy for the mostly in the developed world, but increasingly in the developing world to actually make this transition. it's 2 trillion dollars now, so the tony about billions independence is exactly what's needed for the government . but the private sector, finance, world,

70 percent of the money in the world for nate 0 is coming from private finance and he's being invested in solar batteries, electric vehicles, we empower the technologies that are now commercial. they are cheaper than doing it any other way. so any new investment is moving more and more towards net 0. so we are getting much more happening now. the, we are turning around quicker than many people thought in the ip say, say, and i'll be in the 15 years. we were not as clear on what could quickly happen if private finance got involved in these. it's not just governments, it's the private world as well. peter, let me also ask you about the fact that at comp 28 last year, australia committed to transitioning away from fossil fuels as did other countries . but like many other countries that are climate defenders. australia still

continues to green light new gas projects. right. so yeah, there is an issue with, with guess and particularly in line, started with the strides where we have a lot of gas and we, we think that there's going to be increasing need a gas as part of the transition. it's nonsense and the world of private finance is showing that as well because they are not investing nearly as much because the market is going down. this is the sign we've got to pick up and run with those companies that think so i can continue to expand gas. i going to collapse and countries that depend on that for the money will suffer because they are not the future. the net 0 transition is happening and gas is getting defies a, a, a long we've called calls already disappearing. and,

and the reality is even in our own town input, nearly 80 percent of the power is now coming from solar and wind. it is not the, the, the world of coal is disappearing very rapidly. gas is made to be the transition, but it's not going to be from all sorrow. and when the we suzanne, um let me ask you um the countries in the world that are climate offenders, what kinds of challenges do they face and all of this? well, i mean, one of the issue that's always been here a cough is the divide between countries, those countries that are being the directly, the most developed over the century that have to be the biggest demetrius versus those countries that have to be in the us or the most impacts my time of change. that's the, the over riding division that come through every single annual meeting of cost. and so, i mean, i think what happens is not only do the developed countries rely,

they need to give more. but also we've got other countries who weren't originally included in the list that was constructed back in the 1990s. and i've developed countries who some people believe now should contribute. i eat china or a lot of the gulf states. so there's going to be also a debate, not by just how much money stuff it needs to be agreed on out. this could accomplish so much, but also about who should be contributing to that money. so that's another part of the database that's happening here. and what we do see, i mean, it's one of the, the, the positives about comp that we do have the huge range of countries here who are on the goals aging to try and publish good, you know, divisions aside and come to this kind of a, a shared consensus agreement, a big delegation here from china, for example, big presence from ad because countries, for example, the u, a. e, which of the hosted cop last year and do by. so these are the kinds of, at countries that are becoming, i think, a bit more vocal in recent years. i've these cop gatherings here at now their

negotiators will be in the rooms where i am here and trying to give their side of the story, trying to make sure that they're happy with the agreements. that's coming out of this a gathering the bush of i'd say most country in the world are representative here. and then of course, you have put it in your a to nicole date, more like of the block of the you, for example, or in small items. countries depends nichols age of the block and, but they're the kind of dynamics that are happening here up. it's amazing. i'm here of climate activists are growing increasingly frustrated with what they see as the talks inability to clamp down on fossil fuels and the countries and the companies that promote them. you've attended several climate related conferences in your opinion, and from your experience do conferences and meetings like cop $29.00 and others actually make a difference? well, it gives, it's actually a bit of

a double edged sword to be very honest. you know, because on one hand, i think conferences like the cops conferences like the commonwealth heads of government meeting, i do put a lot of emphasis on climate finance or on the assignment jennings at large. and in doing so, by inviting different state for those, whether it's the largest companies in the world, whether it's island gas manufacturers, whether it's non profits, whether it's private citizens, all governments. they providing a big avenue to exchange best practices and exchange rates, the learnings, and even opportunities for fundraising, actually, which of those don't actually end up getting in a domestic context rates. on the other hand, um, there is of costs visual criticism with the cops that will lead to spending massive amounts off of, you know, complement nations in spending

a lot of fuel flying to these conferences. when the good just as easily be is on those who called and the 2nd criticism of cause that also exists, which is the same table. pessimistic one is the fact that some of the young go trying that active is out of fee of being in the you know, the government. so increasingly using gulf as an opportunity, need to sell it as a bees. the low consignment moments in the countries. right? so what the governments will say, ok, hold off on your protest, we see your point. why don't you come and speak about the said golf, you, you deserve recognition. and then they actually use it as a leverage, as they actually use it as an opportunity to solve the problem domestically, give them a platform internationally. and then that never ends anywhere, you know, but all in all these time to give you estimate of on. so i think these conferences do have a definite positive outcome. i think the on much needed um toward country is accountable

the sort of flag in the ground for an en route from this check this year. for example, we look in the new collective quantifier goal, unemployment finance, which hasn't been discussed since the 100000000000 commitment was made 15 years ago, back in 2009. and you know, so, so the cops are necessary and i think and that, and with that we also need to give enough focus to the s b is that happened in volume, you know, which is the breaker. so to comp, which doesn't get false as much as attention. um so that's just as important. we need to look at the of meetings leading up to it. and we also need to start leveraging other meetings very like last year of the g. twin the data, very good job of leading the beads for some of the d agreements that were assigned at cop 28. so we need to start looking at other platforms and leveraging those as well. so for the climate site, peter,

you heard of here there talk about other agreements in the past and other meetings . i want to ask you more specifically about the parents' agreement, which was signed in 2015 that calls for limited global warming to 1.5 degrees compared to pre industrial levels. where does that stand? what's the report card from your vantage point on all of that? well, that was pretty remarkable. a vain because no one really expected. it came at a point where the will was really needing to get a handle on climate change and we filed in the previous one that happened in copenhagen. it was almost abandoned and been a long time christiana for years who ran a kind of vint which brought together environmental groups and business groups to sort it out and produce what was called i really a transition roadmap,

which they agreed on. so when like guys that to government governments, what broke up my site, i mean, the private sector and, and environmental groups are agreeing. so there was this massive commitment of a 197 countries to my guess died. now that's all that was required and each year or every 5 years, there's a rach ending up making these them. and next the next february is the, the, the 50 in the series. and that will be when we get even more commitments being made to achieve it. so that's the journey way on the end of the month. same slope, but there is a law happening. and as a keeps saying that finance will is recognizing that this is a world that must happen. we. we cannot afford to get hotter and hotter,

you know, during a live and these going to kill our economies. so we have to make the change and by putting in those steps, but it does seem very slow. oh, and from the outside looking in life, we tend to be as common, tight as a and it could get a lot faster and they should be more money. and all that funny is it is getting some way suzanne, heads of states from some of the wealthiest countries responsible for much of the world's greenhouse emissions, like the us and china have also chosen not to attend top 29. what kind of message does that send? and i think that is a huge dynamic here to be honest. and i think it's a negative. it is, it has a negative impact. i mean, when you have some of the world's biggest producers not bothering to show up and a had to state level, that is a problem. and also even from you're a big french present background. the german chancellor year think commission

presents ers of underlying they all have all the children stay away when they do stay away. other people. it's step into their space in a sense. and so for example, in europe, we've had people like victor or button george maloney, we're more on the rice of the database and they have spoken here been quite prominent. so has their carriers term or the british prime minister has really cast britain as a leader in this? and it certainly does that make an impact. obviously, the united states is in a particular historical moment. it's a transition the bite and ministration does have people. here we have heard from the u. s. energy sexy jennifer ground on today. agriculture as x rays coming next week. but of course, the question is, you know, are people really listening when they know that administration is only going to be a power for the next couple of months? so they're, they're trying to be heard. but that is a problem. and we do have a very big chinese delegation here. one of the biggest, um so you know, people in my, yeah, are you, well, you don't have to have the head for stage not. you know, you have to go teachers. i do think it's also worth pointing out that again,

because of timing this weekend, the g 20 so much is going to get going in rio and brazil. so people here in baku where i am now, will be wondering where police go, leaders meeting there. so for example, the jo mine is meeting g as in paying an e mail as we get when they get some kind of political signal from the highest level over there to, to move ahead here if you like. so there is that conversation going on. it's just not going on here, but that may with feed into the discussions that are happening here in the final week of call. i'm here we only have a couple of minutes left, but i want to ask you about an issue that has become a problem in places like pakistan and india. um, the situation has been made worse by the fact that there are former, as that are burning fields each year to prepare for new crops, develop the nation. say that without sufficient funding for climate protection, they have no way to boost their economy. how much is that playing into all of this? is this is belinda good, the thought done. it's nothing else because if you look at,

if you look at nasa data, if you look at any data that really exists and this is true for most developing economies. um, the stablish bonding season is just for maybe 25 or 30 days in the all right. and the progression of season for lack of a better word is following most florida fe months. um. so if you look at video leader, it's actually we, he killed emissions which are the volume of the causative con. uh apple. you sion, in places like india and pakistan. and it is, um, you know, at the same exact, uh, such as western disturbances, weeks out, escalating the issue to a scale which we don't see in the summer. but, you know, it's been said, it's pretty you today with setters down. and, you know, it's been exacerbated by these meet for logic, good factors. but the problem with the carpet is the fact that all the he killed

emissions are going on increasing road. the construction emissions are going on increasing and that's what needs to be addressed. first of the stuff we're going to be, it is very real and it is if he's a contribution, not dismissing it, but it is what is used to fuel ability, good blamed in between state governments and incentive governments. and do that in that had been solutions that the government and of the startups off providing it to low cost to farmers that are biofire. kalazan is made out to sing houston's, but it's got, they need to be, they can escape. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much for all of our guests and lynch. i'm here paula and peter newman, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, l 0 dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x r. a handle is at a j inside story for me and how much i'm jumping the whole team here,

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