much in that country, large parts of which are grouped by lead from the house of the story, the extent to which north korea and russia had been cooperating militarily. what's highlighted by intelligence officials, the south koreans will make cuz team trump 2 point oh is taking shape. the us president elect to nominate 15, members of his cabinet. some of donald trump takes a raising eyebrow. how will they shape from foreign policy and how it affects them? at least this is inside story, the hello there and welcome to the program. i'm nora. kyle donald trump. foreign policy during his 1st time was guided by his campaign slogan, america fast. what he delivered, critic say,

was chaos. he bun through 2 secretaries of state to defend secretaries before national security advisers. he left the us else of the powers climate. the code on the wrong nuclear deal is administration also recognized your worst limits as well as capital trump. second time will bring new challenges the most pressing was, he said he'll end the fighting in ukraine on day one, but hasn't explained how his ponds on golf and 11 and a just as vague and the people he's choosing to drive his agenda. a controversial locker, would it be, i know many fist actually of state is focused on china. defense tech 3 pick p takes up things israel. so i'm actually occupied westbank, a national security advisor, appointee. my pulse was to cons aide to ukraine. so how do trumps choices signal his foreign policy to come move in place to ukraine? goza, lebanon, will raise these questions with all experts and just a bit. first, this report by sar ago, together with donald trump,

we are going to make america not just the man who is wants. this is chris, it was donald trump. now monica rubio is an ally and tap should be the next us secretary of state. it's a tremendous honor to the present replaced with confidence in me in a position of such importance. rubio is a foreign policy hotline of knowing favoring military might over diplomatic measures. his support, the israel is an wavering. here we are outside the office of senator marco's review . last year she told peace that to the masses to blame for the death of palestinians and gaza. are you familiar with your guys to get this? i wanted to destroy every element from off. they can get their hands on. these people are vicious animals who did horrifying crimes. and i hope you guys post that palestinians say trump. so many nations are may just step back in achieving piece heavy. and why should i have to show these indicators such as clearly that the us

will continue to faith israel and that will only him to the potential for a civil meant and consequently prolonged the conflict and suffering the palestinian people. and then that's p hex s. trump surprise picks the defense secretary, he's an army best friend and tv personality with no political experience. many in the republican policy and in the defense industry are alarmed. he has excellent qualifications as a military officer, a junior officer, he's got excellent educational credentials, but he has no, i level national security experience and there's never run a large organization is confirmed hex that will have to do one thing. task was in the middle east and ukraine on the highly charged us china rivalry. excess is also an outspoken critic of nato, but it's secretary general and says the alliance is integral to us security. i've worked with the law firm for 4 years in my previous law, finding us open the legs,

and i had a very good working relationship with him. and he will do everything needed to defense united states. and he is rather rare that your membership of nato is part of the defense of us from radios hotline policies, to headsets and experience. president trump choices continue to spock, debate with gaza. nothing on an ukraine on the line. the stakes couldn't be higher . sorry, go out to 0. the inside story. the well that spring, you know, guess now. and in washington dc, no signage, a white house come this full the hell newspaper and coaches. so you k, natasha lynch, that professor of government at the university of essex. and then on off of michigan, but james, larry, professor of middle east politics at the castle, university of i will welcome to all of you know, it's been quite weak,

but in washington is trying to gather speed with his appointments. and what's the feeling bad about his foreign policy picks? all right, 1st off the top floor, we have to say it is present electronic proofs going to drive policy. he's the one who's going to make the decisions that has always been the case in his political career. not having said all of that. the foreign policy choices, generally, reflections weren't reviewed. of course it is people who are loyal to him who are part of the my god based for the most part really on good are good is a little bit of an exception to that more of an establishment republican kind of figure, even though he has previously controlled more of late but if you look at people like p, tasha or my cock of a who has been nominated to be on by surgery is rails or various others. there are people who are really very much all not america 1st waiting that you alluded to in your introduction. absolutely. and natasha some of the reactions if we look now at

your, of some of the reactions lending and seeing from there, it was like terrifying, unpredictable, big and bad that the preferred picks are a bit less or full than the others. is that the general time that you'll hear, i mean, there's definitely huge concern in europe with just the election of trauma. but also with some of these picks that seem to be more based on loyalty then then competence. i know that europe has been preparing for this, and the crown was actually saying very loudly selling the alarm that your cost to be prepared to be independent from us. they can't rely on us, they have to build up their own military and security measures. and there's going to be a lot of pressure on europe and just looking at the case of ukraine is trauma pressures, you credit into some kind of a surrender with, with russia and then has to give a lot of territory. it will be your that will probably be paying the bill of

reconstruction. there's, there's a lot of concerns also about the pick up till see, govern for intelligence b, because she'll be heading 18 intelligence agencies. and the democrats are concerned that she's sort of, russian asset. the use is russian talking points. and there is concerns about whether or not and you know, they'll be pieces of intelligence. so on the european side though, they were preparing for this, there is a lot of concerns about where things are going to go. and i'd like to just add that in the previous trouble ministration or more traditional people surrounding from people that believed more. and in democratic processes and were able to steer him better this time you, you don't have that. you have some really well takes a lot, but i want to pick up on from both of your answers that 1st of all, that's bringing my tubes where it's, it gets an idea of what the feeling is in the middle east. because much of your, you know, me base terran doha, feel for the top 10 to the feelings throughout the region here in the middle east.

there's an important saying that which would be the difference between um, from administration and by then by that it has approved or contributed to the kind of genocide, democrats that killing both of them. 50000, the people majority of them are kids and women and, and injured more than 120000 protestant here and, and basically the suction. eliza. so that's part of this happened the end of the con, the investigation which, which basically contributed financially politically to the, to a top of that. so that the new coming a decision. um they, they, they can do one thing which basically imposing solutions. they kinda doing more than kidding, which has been done already. the, i think the nature of the point that, that's maybe you know. so the perception is very clear that there is not a huge difference between um, by the administration or the time i misplaced it. and maybe the, the, the good point about from he's been in clean people,

they kind of need what he does and he doesn't know the station and they can to some extent. so i'm not saying you're projecting, but they can realize that to you, what it creates more destruction to what type to what's happening and what adults. and i think most of them the uh, ideas of focusing on one and image, which basically people should not be of domestic about everything that a trauma or his team will do it because small politics, that small differences, they may change the whole dynamic about what's happening in the middle east, so that is important to watch, especially when it comes to imposing solutions. and here would have been by the have a good, i think is a decision was to put on that to hold off on that and trying to impose solutions, including westbank and supporting the the i was trying to have uh for a complete southern and c. i'm in west bank. oh no, so let's pick up on that. um the impact that these picks might have on the middle

east region because they all very, very much just pro israel, but apparently pro fall light is really pull, sees, you know? yeah. like face and of the occupied westbank putting supplements back into garza, where do you think the regions headed an affinity does the direction in my good. i mean you how, for example, you mentioned the occupied with my car, but usually i mentioned in my earlier answer who has been nominated to be in charge of the pastor periods really does not use the phrase on it and all of the repair into the work occupied even refers to the territories as to day. i'm so mary, it appears to believe that it was divinely granted to the state of history. oh no, i don't really want to get into the position of defending the by does ministration . because i think those policies speak for themselves of the death tools fixture itself, but the by the ministration, in theory, a published believes in

a 2 state solution. in theory, he believes that there should the basis of a published and you know, state where they always play in the way. i find the guys i know i'm is not all the trump ministration. believes that horrible things if i married, are just very briefly treat on what was said earlier. the statement was made to people or at least clear about wall trump believes. i'm not sure that's true because if you look at the city of dearborn and michigan was majority of cities in the united states, mr. trump think for all the all hoops there. and i don't think there was people were putting on the basis of that less told which frank got to do damage. so there they were, i believe made promises during trump's campaign, but he has already broken. now just briefly, can you just to expand on that for our audience? yes, absolutely. so basically you're in the account again, there was a michigan,

there's a key stage in american elections. it was the highest concentration of out of americans in the nation. kind of the hottest last the home from one of the 2 election day trauma were said. things like, well, ira, generally interested in pace. that's the only thing there are appealing to a, he was at least implying that there was legitimacy turn to christmas on all by his policies there. now, i certainly believe there's legitimacy to that criticism, but this is, there is no evidence false to wherever the trump has any intention of moving in the direction that you appear to be imply. okay, latasha, one thing that we can be sure of at this stage at least, is that trump wants to end the was in the weld, the ukraine. well being one of them. we've got presidents, the master lensky of ukraine, also saying that he wants this war to ends next year in a diplomatic manner. does he believe that from will be able to deliver that?

and that's the ending? well, what can you cranes favor? so the wednesday, the lease, he has no choice, he's been put in a corner here because he knows that he's not going to be receiving the type of aid that was coming that have no trade. that was kind during the by administration. and they know that they're about to face a really hard winter. they know that they're struggling to maintain their levels of recruits. they, they know that their infrastructure, much of their infrastructure has been destroyed and that they're not going to be able to continue to wage this world without us support, which is the, you know, the largest donor. and so i hate zalinski is hopeful that he can get some kind of deal that doesn't force the ukrainians to seed so much territory and to remain really insecure indefinitely. so he's trying to, every single to the us and they know he told that that trump will be able to create some sort of deal. but i think he's been pushed into a corner on this. i don't think this is what the premiums want it at all,

but they feel that they haven't choice towards extends kind of a europe. natasha move to fill the gap. that's going to be left by the us. should it stop is age to crime? to i think it's going to be very difficult because there's already fatigue with providing the level of a that the ukrainians require. and probably the most difficult stages of the conflict for russia. they've been able to weather and they seem willing to just keep losing man in large numbers and just keep this war going on indefinitely. i don't know if the result is there from the europeans. i think they are individually trying to increase their own security. you know that in the baltic countries where they actually fear russian aggression and countries like a sonia unlocked and they're trying to double their, their number of military troops. and there are many countries in, within nato that are trying to get towards, you know,

i'm spending 2 percent of their g p, a military spending, knowing that they will have to be alone and they are going to be able to rely on us now with the pick of market reveal that means that he was one of the people that wrote the legislation that said that the us can't lead nato. that doesn't mean that there is some commitments. no. um, but do your parents know that they will have to shoulder a lot of the burden moving forward? absolutely. a bunch of one area that we do know that the us will continue sending a to israel. this top team is being highly critical on vitamins threats to withdrawal, military aid. if israel doesn't keep up humanitarian aid deliveries and improve the situation in gone, so that's going to be no thoughts, threats coming from the trump administration. although i think it's expected that it's very rare to see more support from a trumpet ministration. more then,

not only and when it comes to the political support but also and to the idea that the strong believe of what that's in yahoo has in mind that says to me, as someone photo in the region important, then that military important done politics. because the model begins to close to the ideology, cut aspect that by 10, yahoo believes and that's the great support about. and then you know, once i think that is what he wants to do in 2025. that's when he talks about the uh, basically the solvency on on, on a 2 part was turned by. what's about i think what's important also to, to, to minutes to monitor is how much are the, the team of, of, of the term can have. uh, i would say agreed and the agreement on the how things should be done on that at all because they are having a many voices coming from the agent. and there is also the impact coming from

different countries in the region to try to the are the cut eyes, and it's on a policy towards the middle east. and this would have also impacts and i, and i think we saw the meeting, the mask with the money, and i had to present that into united vision. that's an indicator about what's i quoted is the ties to support them within. i mean, this is expected from someone who was one elected point and change was more in product. it's not many because i saw to explain it or someone was not elected. allow me to send one centers to say that the jump in the, in the areas where most of my data, where a majority g was voted for based on the social agenda by this time because that is number 2. so i don't think so. i mean, i, i visited other places where most of the items are there. and the major issue number one to the associated agent that they are would also be alive. you can uh, father, uh,

let's go to the agent that democrats has posted the last 4 years. and those are those that have families and they are, what are the only points been said positive from, from, is associated as the end. and then the last, that's what the dollars the is i want to look at, see on his actually picked up was the decision. so, so i think i'm ready to, i was, i'm assuming i've already talked to them. number one is to ensure that agenda and number 2, that's a either other methods indeed, you know, if this administration things be experienced enough to deal with the very complex nature has not just laid out for us in the mid least, all of the conflicting relationships that are going on, they fully plugged into a lot of that. so i was maybe slightly on hours or not. if you own a question, laura, the, there is a tendency, i think in america and in the washington establishment to talk about the experience of all else. if we look at the historical record, isn't true,

that experience leads to why is your decision in the middle east or anywhere else? i mean, it was an argument to be made back in the days, for example, by hillary sense. and i guess paragraph obama, but her view in which i completed support to the water was one of the main reasons why she lost her product. probably not hear. people like jamie donald rumsfeld, are extremely experienced in foreign policy, did not lead them to make good or solid decisions. so it is true that some of my paycheck. so for example, has printed double bonds, burial experience. he has to be fair to a master's degree from our but i guess what i'm pushing back on is the idea. the experience in the cells leads to good decisions. i don't think there's really very much of us for that at all in reason. american just okay. well, i can certainly see my do agreeing with you wholeheartedly the the test to do you agree that's, that's true to some extent of you. you can have the new

a comes that they had all kinds of experience and they were making all kinds of bad decisions when it came to, to our rock in particular. and the way the accomplished enough get us to what was handled. but i think it with the role department of defense, you do need some experience. you need some experience managing. if you've got $2700000.00 employees, if you're running an enterprise that's worth $800000000000.00, and in the case of feet high stuff, his experience is running a small tune. yes. on combat experience. with that certainly isn't that anywhere near enough that would be needed to, to run the department of defense. and i think that's a really poor package. it said, you know, real concerns throughout the, the a, from us policy makers. of course they're going to be loyal to jerome, but i think this really shocked them and they'll be a couple of senators that are really going to have a tough time with supporting the types of to be the new department of defense. secretary know, policies as unpredictability, as

a diplomatic strength. would you agree with that? well, well, i think the do i agree that a trump is unpredictable? certainly. yeah. and she has provided a boned them. there were many, many years. uh, you know, what only needs to live as his dealings with north korea to have a very clear example of a woman that she was about to reach enormous destruction over a 100 miles the duration of li, referred to the north korean leader of them by the end of his tribe, he was talking with them reading level letters to each other. so there is certainly unpredictability, like, i guess the argument implicit in your question is the on predictability on food arrivals around the bursaries. is there a question that we'd better get ourselves in line because there's no telling but from my day that 20 supporters which say, hey i, i also think the flip side of that is there is a lot of, i'm sure the under the security and sometimes the lack of a lot of a,

particularly as it relates to, to europe, which natasha rivera. true knowledge of the situation in ukraine, but the situation in edinburgh, all swedes of eastern europe, where exactly the united states, the base of a, you know, traditional allies or other eastern european nations that are not traditional allies, but seeing the danger by potential russian expansions to my to but it seems that the, the, the lead of the countries that are going to benefit most from the trump administrations and the ones that have a measurable payment. i'd say nothing. yahoo is one of those people. if the washington post reports has to be believed, nothing yahoo was planning to gift a lebanese says find proposal to trump on his entry into the white house to give him an initial foreign policy boost. do you think that's going to one, i think, and it's the whole a, in a, a, as soon as the crisis and lebanon, he's failing,

he's the, was trying to, the defined a victory of, by bringing back to the success, to the uh, the, there, the citizen the north and that's right. he has failed to do so he's he has the destruction 11 and nothing has been a team that has been listed as a talking most of us. it does it as i, i think what is, what is significant is what he's trying to do is of course, i agree with that. i, i actually, i did the project 2 weeks ago and a session here that there would be a sort of a disorder from it than you all to some so he can give him the color. it's actually, but i think this would not be helpful. and to aspect number one, that is a serious a issues, but it's like he is facing internally and there's a domestic politics. and secondly, i think that there shouldn't be a that we expect to see more or try to do to the administration, especially with the sideline or but of course. yeah. and that's the point that i want to bring them discussion because we talked about deposition, but we,

we forget that this, the new and decision one to decide line one of the, the big bustle based study come. but across the, in the united states postal code beach state, the state. now we're starting that he's trying to actually turn the model this by what he's doing now with a mask. and the more he's doing this, the more of the decision making the process and why something wouldn't go to a new concept. i really smart, a great decision maker space quickly, some of the adults autocratic, redeems. so basically they wouldn't be naughty lyons, on those so odd experience a, the memory of the country without a defense, important part of seats and security. those. now i'd be glad you decided line, and this would be all decision. wouldn't be made based on that short reports short i would say uh the commendation done last maybe week or 2 weeks and then that decision can be made and that is very dangerous to the protection of the doctor, the state to the institutionalization. and then i can just say,

and also to that is that it is not because that was always talking about the state, had a decision making process and buy something. and that's to be on the issue is that is to do with domestic politics of the united states, which of course has a huge impact on the rest of the well the tasha as we see and he was perhaps retreating from global alliance, is like nato, like the paris climate, a quote, it becomes less of a world leader perhaps less relevant. what we see new alons is fleming, and it's place. i don't know, it's hard to say, but we know that the us retreating from multilateralism has a huge impact. the river rates all around the world. first of all, just effects the level of democracy when the us is that it's most democratic that actually has knock on the facts and the level of democracy around the globe. we see very different trading relationships that have happened. we have more democracies trading more, we not talk procedure, then they're trading with other democracies. and we just don't have

a leader with the us sort of stepping away from this and going forward with this america 1st agenda. and i think one of the issues, the trunk when you saw was actually on this internal entity has already that has already been stated that i don't know how much she even cares or knows about foreign policy. he says he can make the deals quickly. he likes to be unpredictable . we don't have the evidence that now i'm done. theory actually works and he's going to be very focused on the enemy within cutting the deep state, you know, getting rid of 50000 civil servants, trying to find his enemies weaponized in the justice system in the local on. so i think there's gonna be a lot of chaos to come now, not just in the last minute, but we have, we're talking about this particular teen now. how long you think it's going to last? i mean, if the historical record has any guy not pretty long, mr. john, but the 1st time robin hood of a true massachuset ministration. lots of people checked are not following in to

just favor. one thing i made just in the final few seconds, the recall is the parts of june natasha. um and your company megabyte multi lot, the less of those of course intercept with the specifics that we have been talking about. so for example, at least to find that no one agent to be on bosses or to the united nations isn't or really she don't have the share skepticism multilateralism. strive to you as assess for long semitism. obviously that has a very direct impact on the situation in gaza on funding for online and things of that nature is going to be a very interesting for years at the very least. many thanks to a little guess for joining us here today. no spanish. natasha lives that and much you, larry, i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's under 0 adult. calm. the further discussion to go as well. facebook page that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. it wasn't during the conversation on x on homeless as a inside story from me,

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