the the . ringback the team trump 2 point oh is taking shape to you as president elect to nominate 15, members of his cabinet. some donald trump takes a raising eyebrow. how will they shape from foreign policy and how it affects them? at least this is inside story, the hello there and welcome to the program. i'm nora, kyle donald trump. foreign policy during his 1st time was guided by his campaign slogan, america fast. what he delivered, critic say,

was chaos. he bun through 2 secretaries of state to defend secretaries before national security advisers. he left the us owls of the powers climate. the code on the wrong nuclear deal. as administration also recognized your worst limits as well as capital from the 2nd time will bring new challenges the most pressing was, he said he'll end the fighting in ukraine on day one, but hasn't explained how his ponds, on gauze and 11 and a just as vague and the people who is choosing to drive his agenda a controversial marker. what would be the nominee for section of state is focused on china. defense actually pick p takes up things. israel sit next to occupied, westbank and national security advisor, appointee. my pulse was to cons. aide to ukraine. so how do trumps choices signal his foreign policy to come move in place to ukraine? golda lebanon, will raise these questions with all experts and just a bit. first, this report by sar ago, together with donald trump,

we are going to make america not just the man who is wants. this is chris, it was donald trump. now monica rubio is an ally and tap should be the next us secretary of state. it's a tremendous honor to the present were placed with confidence in me in a position of such importance. rubio is a foreign policy hotline of knowing favoring military might over diplomatic measures. his support, the israel is unwavering. here we are outside the office of senator marco's review . last year she told peace that to the masses to blame for the death of palestinians and gaza. are you familiar with your guys to get this? i wanted to destroy every element of them off. they can get their hands on. these people are vicious animals who did horrifying crimes. and i hope you guys post that palestinians say trump. so many nations are a major step back in achieving peace. couldn't have been why should i have to show these indicators such as clearly that the us will continue to faith israel and that

will only hence at the potential for a civil meant and consequently prolonged the conflict and suffering the palestinian people. and then that's p hex s. trump surprise picks the defense secretary, he's an army best friend and tv personality with no political experience. many in the republican policy and in the defense industry are alarmed. he has excellent qualifications as a military officer, a junior officer, he's got excellent educational credentials, but he has no, i level national security experience and there's never run a large organization is confirmed hex that will have it daunting task was in the middle east and ukraine on the highly charged us china rivalry, hexa is also an outspoken critic of nato, but it's secretary general and says the alliance is integral to us security. i've worked with the law firm for 4 years in my previous law,

sending us open the legs. and i had a very good working relationship with him, and he will do everything needed to defense united states. and he is rather rare that your membership of nato is part of the defense of us from rapiers, hotline policies to headsets and experience. president trump choices continue to spock, debate with gaza. nothing on an ukraine on the line. the stakes couldn't be higher . sorry. go out to 0. the inside story. the. well that spring, you know, guess now. and in washington, dc, no signage, a white house come this full the hell newspaper and coaches. so you k. natasha lives that professor of government at the university of essex and did on off of michigan. but james, larry, professor of middle east politics at the castle, university of i will welcome to all of you know, it's been quite weak,

but in washington is trying to gather speed with his appointments. and what's the feeling bad about his foreign policy picks a filing 1st off the top floor, we have to say it is present electronic proofs. go into dr. paula. so he's the one who's going to make the decisions that has always been the case in his political career. not having said all of that. the foreign policy choices, generally reflections worldviews. of course it is people who are loyal to him who are part of the my god based for the most part. really only good not good is a little bit of an exception to that. more of an establishment republican kind of figure, even though he has previously dr. trump more of late. but if you look at people like p tanks for my copy of a who has to be nominated to be on the bus or treat as rails or various others, there are people who are really very much all not america 1st waiting that you alluded to in your introduction absolutely. and natasha some of the reactions if we

look now at europe, some of the reactions that i'm being seeing from that are words like terrifying, unpredictable big and by the preferred picks are a bit less or full than the others. is that in the general time that you'll herring? i mean there's definitely a huge concern in europe with just the election of trump. but also with some of these picks that seem to be more based on loyalty then, then competence. i know that europe has been preparing for this, and i am a chrome was actually sitting very loudly sounding the alarm that your cost to be prepared to be independent from us. they can't rely on us, they have to build up their own military and security measures. and there's going to be a lot of pressure on europe. and just looking at the case of ukraine is trauma pressures, you credit into some kind of a surrender with, with russia and then has to give up a lot of territory will be europe that will probably be paying the bill of

reconstruction. there's, there's a lot of concerns also about the pickup tools, the governor for, for intelligence b, because she'll be heading 18 intelligence agencies. and the democrats are concerned that she's sort of rushing asset the uses russian talking points. and there's concerns about whether or not and you know, they'll be braces of intelligence. certainly european. so i know they were preparing for this. there is a lot of concerns about where things are going to go. and i'd like to just add that in the previous from administration. they're more traditional people surrounding from people that believed more and in democratic processes and were able to steer in better this time you, you don't have that who have some really well takes a lot. i want to pick up on from both of your answers, the festival. that's bringing my teams where it's a get some idea of what the feeling is in the middle east. because much of your, your normally based here in the hospital, pretty top 10 to the feelings throughout the region here in the,

in the middle east. there's uh, an important uh saying that which would be the difference between um, some administration and by then by that it has approved or contributed to that kind of genocide. and because i couldn't go to them 50000. the people majority of them are kids and women and, and injured more than $120000.00 probably spinning, and basically the destruction of what goes up. so that's all of this happened. and the con, the investigation which, which basically contributed financially politically, to the, to a top of that was that so the, the, the new coming a decision. but they, they, they can do one thing which basically imposing solutions. they kind of doing more than cutting what has been done already the, i think the nature of the point that, that's maybe you know. so the perception is very clear that there is not a huge difference between um, by the administration or the time i misplaced it, or maybe the, that the good point about from he's been in clear people that kind of need what he

does and he doesn't know the session and they can to some extent, but i'm not saying you're predicting, but they kind of realized that to you, what it creates more destruction to what type to what's happening and what adults. and i think one of the uh, ideas of focusing on one and image, which basically people should not be optimistic about everything that a tom or his team will do it because smaller politics, the small differences, they may change the whole dynamic about what's happening in the middle east, so that is important to watch, especially when it comes to imposing solutions. and here what it meant by the have a good i think is a decision, was to follow on that to go to up on that and trying to impose solutions, including westbank and supporting the to the i was trying to have uh for the oh, complete southern c, i'm in west bank. oh no. so let's pick up on that. but the impact that these

picks might have on the middle east region because they all very, very much just pro israel, but apparently pro fall white is riley. paula sees, you know, you have like face and all of the occupied westbank putting supplements back into garza. where do you think the regions headed enough for the does the direction in my good. i mean you how, for example, you mentioned the occupied with find my comfortable easy i mentioned in my already around sure. who has been nominated to be in charge of the passer treat. israel does not use the phrase on an all new repair into the work altered by. he refers to the territory us to day. i'm so mary, it appears to believe that it was divinely granted to the state of israel. no, i don't really want to get into the position of defending devices ministration because i think those policies speak for themselves of the death tools fixture itself. but the by the ministration in theory placed believes in

a 2 state solution. in theory, he believes that there are sure that based on a post and you understand what they don't basically. and the way i find the guys i know i'm, it's not all clear the trump ministration believes that horrible things if i married, are just very briefly treat on what was said earlier. this statement was made to people or at least clear about 12 trump believes. i'm not sure that's true because if you look at the city of dear martin and michigan majority of cities in the united states, mr. trump think for all the all hoops there and i, i don't think there was people were putting on the basis of what i left struggled with frank getting through them. so there they were, i believe made promises during trump's campaign, but he has already broken now just briefly, can you just to expand on that for our audience? yes, absolutely. so basically you're in the account again, there was a michigan,

there's a key stage in american elections. it has the highest concentration of out of americans in the nation, colorado. so last the home from one of the 3 election day trauma, we're say things like, well ira, generally interested in pace. that's the only thing that are appealing to a he was at least implying that there was legitimacy, turn the criticism all by his policies. there. now, i certainly believe there's legitimacy to that criticism, but this is, there is no way from slots to wherever the trump has any intention of moving in the direction that they appear to be imply. okay, latasha, one thing that we can be sure of at this stage at least, is that trump wants to end the was in the weld, the ukraine. well being one of them. we've got presidents, the master lensky of ukraine, also saying that he wants this war to ends next year in a diplomatic manner. does he believe that from will be able to deliver that?

and that's the ending? well, what can you cranes favor? so the lensky believes he has no choice, he's been put in a corner here because he knows that he's not going to be receiving the type of aid that was coming, that have no trade. that was kind during the by administration. and they know that they're about to face a really hard winter. they know that they're struggling to maintain their levels of recruits. they, they know that their infrastructure and much of their infrastructure has been destroyed. and that they're not going to be able to continue to wage this world without us support, which is the, you know, the largest donor. and so, i think the lensky is hopeful that he can get some kind of deal that doesn't force the ukrainians to seed. so much territory and to remain really insecure indefinitely. so he's trying to every single to the us and they know he told that that trump will be able to create some sort of deal. but i think he's been pushed into a corner on this. i don't think this is what the premiums want it at all,

but they feel that they haven't choice for most extends can europe. natasha move to fill the gaps that is going to be left by the us. should it stop is age to crime? to i think it's going to be very difficult because there is already said she with providing the level of aid that the ukrainians require. and probably the most difficult stages of the conflict for russia. they've been able to weather and they seem willing to just keep losing man in large numbers and just keep this war going on indefinitely. i don't know if the result is there from the europeans. i think they are individually trying to increase their own security. you know that in the baltic countries where they actually fear russian aggression and countries like a sonia unlocked and they're trying to double their, their number of military troops. and there are many countries in, within nato that are trying to get towards, you know,

i'm spending 2 percent of their g p on their military spending, knowing that they will have to be alone and they are going to be able to rely on us now with the pick of market reveal that means that he was one of the people that wrote the legislation that said that the us can't lead nato. that does mean that there is some commitments. no. um, but do your parents know that they will have to shoulder a lot of the burden moving forward? absolutely. a bunch of one area that we do know that the us will continue sending a to israel. this trump team is being highly critical on 5 and threats to withdrawal military aid. if israel doesn't keep up humanitarian aid deliveries and improve the situation in gone, so that's going to be no thoughts, threats coming from the trump administration. although i think it's expected that is where you want to see more support from a trumpet ministration,

more than uh, not only and, but it comes to the political support but also, and to the idea that the strong believe of what that's in yahoo has in mind that says to me, as someone photo in the region important than the military, important done politics because the model begins to close to the ideology, cut aspect that by 10 yahoo believes and that's the great support that then you know, once i think that is what he wants to do in 2025. that's when he talks about the uh, basically the solvency on on, on a 2 part was turned by. what's about, i think what's important also to, to, to minutes to monitor is how much are the, the team of, of, of the term can have. uh, i would say agreed, and the agreement on the how things should be done on that at all. because they are having a many voices coming from the agent and there is a lot of impact coming from different countries in the region to try. so these are

the cut eyes and it's on a policy towards the middle east. and this would have also impacts and i, and i think we saw the meeting, the mask with the money in either present in the united vision. that's an indicator about what's i quoted is the entire system within. i mean, this is expected from someone who has water elected point changes motor in product . it's not many because that's not to explain to someone who was not elected, allow me to send one centers to say that the jump in the, in the areas where most of my data, where a majority g was voted for based on the social agenda by this time and this is number 2, so i don't think so. i mean i, i visited to places where mister adams are there and the major issue number one to the associate agenda. they are would also be alive. you can uh far less

deliberate ident that democrats has posted the last 4 years. and those are those that have families and they are what are the only points been see positive from, from, is associated as the end. and then the last point, $8.00, the is i want to look at see, on who's actually picked up cause there's the photos administration. so, so i think i'm ready to, i was, i'm assuming i've already talked to them. number one is to ensure that agenda and number 2, that's a either other methods indeed, you know, if this administration things be experienced enough to deal with the way complex nature is not just laid out for us in the middle east, all of the conflicting relationships that are going on, they fully plugged into one of that or so i was maybe slightly on hours or not. if you own a question, laura, the, there is a tendency, i think in america and in the washington establishment to talk about the experience of all else. if we look at the historical record, isn't true,

that experience leads to why is your proven decisions in the middle east or anywhere else? i mean, it was an argument to be made back in the day, for example, by henry sent them a guest for football. but her view in which has completed support to the water was one of the main reasons why she lost her product right here. people like jamie donald rumsfeld, are extremely experienced and foreign policy did not lead them to me good or solid decisions. so it is true that someone like the texas, for example, has printed double bonds, burial experience. he has to be fair to master's degree from our but i guess what i'm pushing back on is the idea. the experience in the shelf leads to good decisions. i don't think there's really very much of us for the all the reason the american just okay, well i can certainly see my do agreeing with you wholeheartedly the the task. so do you agree that's that's true to some extent of you. you could have the new

a comes that they had all kinds of experience and they were making all kinds of bad decisions when it came to, to our rock in particular. and the way the accomplished enough can assume was, was handled. but i think it with the role department of defense, you do need some experience. you need some experience managing. if you've got 2700000 employees, if you're running an enterprise that's worth 800000000000. and in the case of pete, i have stuff. his experience is running a small platoon, he has some combat experience with that certainly isn't that anywhere near enough that would be needed to, to run the department of defense. and i think that's a really poor package. it said, um, you know, real concerns throughout the, the a, from us policy makers. of course they're going to be loyal to jerome. but i think this really shocked them, and they'll be a couple of senators that are really going to have a tough time with supporting the types of to be the new department of defense. secretary know, policies as unpredictability, as

a diplomatic strength. would you agree with that? well, well, i think to do i agree that trump is unpredictable certainly. yeah. and he has provided above the word many, many years a, you know, one only needs to look at his dealings with north korea to have a very clear example of a woman that he was about to reach enormous destruction over a 100 miles the duration of li referred to the north korean leader of them by the end of his term. he was talking with them reading level letters to each other. so there is certainly unpredictability. like i guess the argument implicitly. your question is the on predictability on food arrivals or adversary's? is there a question that we'd better get ourselves in line because there's no telling but from my day about 20 supporters which say i, i also think the flip side of that is there is a lot of i'm sure the under the security and sometimes the lack of a lot of a,

particularly as it relates to, to europe, which natasha repair, to not only to the situation and ukraine, but the situation in and ross, waves of eastern europe where exactly the united states, the base of a uh, you know, traditional allies or other eastern european nations that are not traditional allies, but i think the danger by a potential russian expansions 2 by 2. but it seems that the, the, the lead of the countries that are going to benefit most from the trump administrations and the ones that have a measurable payment. i'd say nothing. yahoo is one of those people. if the washington post reports has to be believed, nothing. yahoo was planning to gift a lebanese cease 5 proposal to trump on his entry into the white house to give him an initial foreign policy boost. do you think that's going to one, i think. and it's a, the, a whole, a, in a, a, as soon as the crisis and lebanon, he's failing, he's the, was trying to, the defined a victory of,

by bringing back to the success, to the, uh, the, there, the citizen, the north and his right. he has failed to do so he, he has the destruction 11 and nothing has to be seen as well as that is a talking most of us, it does it as i, i think what is, what is the connecticut is what he's trying to do is of course i agree with that i, i actually, i did the project 2 weeks ago and a session here that there would be a sort of a i just showed up from within the, out to tom. so he can give him the color. it's actually, but i think this would not be helpful in, in to aspect number one. that is a serious a issues, but it's like he is facing internally admitted domestic politics. and secondly, i think that there shouldn't be a that we expect to see more or trying to do to the administration, especially with the sideline or but of course. yeah. and that's the point that i want to bring them discussion because we talked about deposition, but we,

we forget that this, the new and the session wanted to side line one of the, the big bustle based study cut across the, in the united states or was still a big state deep stake. now we're starting that he's trying to actually get to the bottom of this by what he's doing now with a mask. and the more he's doing this, the more of the decision making the process and why something wouldn't go to a new concept. i really smart, a great decision maker space sickly, similar to autocratic, redeems. so basically there wouldn't be naughty lions on those. so odd experience a, the memory of the country without a defense, important part of seat and security does. no, it'd be glad you decided line and this would be all decision would be made based on that short reports short, i would say uh, the commendation done last, maybe week or 2 weeks. and then that decision can be made. and that is very dangerous to the partition of the doctor, the state to the institutionalization. and then i can just say,

and also to that is that it is not because that was always talking about the state code and, and the decision making process and buy something that's to be on the issue is that is to deal with domestic politics of the united states, which of course has a huge impact on the rest of the well the tasha as we see and us perhaps retreating from global alliance, is like nato, like the paris climate, a quote. it becomes less of a world leader perhaps less relevant to what we see new alliances, fleming, and it's place. i don't know, it's hard to say, but we know that the us retreating from multilateralism has a huge impact. the river rates all around the world. first of all, just effects the level of democracy when the u. s. is that it's most democratic that actually has knock on the facts and the level of democracy around the globe. we see very different trading relationships that have happened. we have more democracies trading more. we don't talk procedure then they're trading with other

democracies and we just don't have a leader with the us sort of stepping away from this and going forward with this america 1st agenda. and i think one of the issues, the trunk when you saw was actually on this internal entity has already that has already been stated that i don't know how much he even cares or knows about foreign policy. he says he can make a deals quickly. he likes to be unpredictable. we don't have the evidence that i'm done. theory actually works and he's going to be very focused on the enemy within cutting the deep state, you know, getting rid of 50000 civil servants, trying to find his enemies weaponized in the justice system in the little ones. so i think it's gonna be a lot of chaos to come, not just in the last minute, but we have, we're talking about this particular teen now. how long you think it's going to last? i mean, if the historical record has any guy, not pretty long, mr. jones, but the 1st time run out of a true melchor's administration. lots of people check died not falling into just

favor one thing i made just the final few seconds. the recall is the parts of june natasha. i'm going to be making the multi lot the lives of those, of course mentorship with the specifics that we have been talking about. so for example, at least the phonics nomination to be, i'm bosses or to the united nations is literally, she's the owner of the sheriff. josh kept as the little astride to you as a chef for a long semitism. obviously that has a very direct impact on the situation and guys, on funding for online and things of that nature is going to be very interesting for years at the very least. many thanks to a little guess for joining us here today. no spanish. natasha lives that and much you, larry, i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's under 0 adult. com for further discussion to go as well. facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. it wasn't during the conversation on x on homeless as a inside story from me,

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