the the . ringback the 4 months ukraine is wanted to use american messiahs against russian territory. now outgoing, present, jo 5, just giving the go ahead and a significant change in us policy. so, will this turn the tide of the war on? how will russia respond? this is inside, still the

hello. welcome to the program. i'm put and it's us present. joe biden is lifting restrictions on the use of american tactical messiahs against russian territory. this is a major shift in us policy. previously, washington has only allow the use of his weapons and occupied ukrainian territory comes in just weeks before the end of biden's to present elect. donald trump said he will and the will quickly present. vladimir putin has repeatedly stated the use of american weapons on russian soil. would mean nate, so was a bull. so one of the reasons behind 5 whose decision um, could it turn the tide for ukraine? we'll discuss this with our panel of guests in a moment. but 1st, this report from dmitri bank as the mission to use western supplied weapons against targets and russia, is something you crane has wanted for years, precedence bulk dns and landscape included in his so called victory plan, presented to allies last month. after the 1st media reports that washington have

given the green light, he had this to say a little dining strikes and notes carried out with woods. such things are not announced miss solves will speak for themselves. they certainly will. the us has been sending ami technical missile systems, or a tech comes to ukraine since last october, but troops were only allowed to use them inside ukrainian territory, including russia next to crimea. now they could strike targets up to 300 kilometers from the front lines. this means up to $245.00 military sites within range, according to the institute for the study of war. the use foreign policy cheap shows that burrell says europe should follow suit and grant, similar permission. i mean, se one's in the game that they should be able to use the we provide the, let me know that to not only to stop the arrow,

but also to be able to feed the article. i couldn't, they knew. but even this is what's best to be done. moscow has stated multiple times that the use of western made weapons against targets and russia is a red line. the kremlin expanded its military policy in september to allow nuclear strikes in response to conventional arms that threatened its sovereignty. and president vladimir putin warrants that the use of american technical missiles would mean direct nato involvement, and moscow would respond with the videos shake. it is not a box allowing the ukrainian regime to strike russia with these weapons or not. it is about making a decision about whether the nato countries are directly involved in the military conflict or not. if this decision is made, it significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict, and we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created for us. the kremlin spokesman meet cheapest golf has accused the us of intensifying

the war intravenous to issue. it is obvious that the outgoing administration in washington and teens, as they said earlier, to continue adding fuel to the fire and further providing escalation of tension around this conflict. the policy change comes in the final weeks of joe biden's and office president elect. donald trump said he intended to end the war and ukraine swiftly. without elaborating what's his plan would entail to meet him. it wouldn't go out as the rustle inside story. the alright legs got so the insides with all guests from moscow where joined by andre federal form, a deputy foreign minister of russia and chapman if the funds of political research and consulting in binding him in the u. k. a stuff on wolf, a professor of international security at the university of funding. and he focuses

on competition between global powers and didn't. key is usually a cash debina, a senior fellow in security studies ukrainian prism a think tank. welcome to the program. all of you. you in the key of, i'll start with you. so will a decision by joe biden to allow the use of tactical weapons to hit russian tired tree make a difference to the wall for ukraine? well actually won the yesterday when the news broke, that the decision was granted. it was a big elation at home because people believe that the granting ukraine, the opportunity to strike the targets deep in the russian territory. and we mean military targets deepen the russian territory will help us game an advantage of at least a partial advantage. but then this morning, the solution was to a large extent gone because western media reported that the permission was actually very limit, that it was not the permission to strike any military targets in the russian

territory. that is within range of, of these missiles. but only those targets that are located in the course of the old list of the russian federation. we're now on the north koreans soldiers are stationed and are actually involved in fighting the ukrainian army. and so this is seen more as a signal to the north korea to stay out of the fight. and not so much as something that is going to help your brain uh when or when does for a step home, what do you think? will it make a difference for you crane? and as if it is, as you suggest, is restricted to where a north korean troops may or may not be. would it impact the long term cost of the war and ukraine's favor as well? i don't think so. in any way, going to make

a major change in your trajectory of to go on to the video to be quite clear. yeah . the disposition, if you really would have been meant to enable crime to with this sort of the main body to turn off is going on on the steel floor. oh, pressure against are you crying? that said, i think it's very important that the decision has been made on us off. given that the total child might be counting, it looks like he will impose the cease fire in the front lines as the exist at the moment. and he tries to make his students so from this perspective anything that can help you quite know will be beneficial, but it actually comes to to the attraction. andre, uh, the company spokesman dimitra, pest golf size. if such a decision has been taken,

it means a whole new spiral of tension. but the bottom, the by the administrators adding fuel to the fire. all 2 of the problem was don't think it's going to make that much of a dis, a difference given the restrictions placed on how the weapons can be used. what would must go see from this said change in time to the full from my personal point of view, according to my knowledge. but i know so, so called restrictions. the flexibility and uh, of course the some argument concerning the school bus. but in fact, in this course creature use of this, a town cook mux, uh, besides that is simply census, because uh, there is no, uh, any kinds of she does from flying in for all blushed. i don't know any kind of the fusion is the facilities we sure can be the target. what is the fuel?

well, excuse me, under. that was the idea of ops to scare off the north koreans as buying the suggest it? no it's. it's not. it's not the thing because it does nothing with north korea because uh, the main target, the main target for this me shots, of course, uh, russian fields which are outside the pool area. but the structural airfields are used for making strikes in ports area. again, as you can so no, oh the problem for grammar is that, uh, it looks at the whole situation as new stage of escalation because no one in crime and believe that it will be limited to what's called left or something else. and uh, the problem for moscow today is our response that we've been to use. yes. and that

uh no, no final decisions because it was set to day decision will be made only, i think will happen. but uh, i can still see you stage of escalation, right? uh i think so. is that is this uh, this step can simply pick you up from speech plan. okay, thank you. thank you. yeah, stuff was touched on this a moment ago. is it too late? anyway, this has happened when you create has been given tanks and fi to checks for these last full months after they asked them, you think this is too late? well, unfortunately it is. it's been the western policy from the very beginning that says they were giving a ukraine weapons to a little too late on so. busy that was able to keep your brain and the 5, not actually the able to deal with decisive victory or decisive struck with stripe and the russian federation. and it's precisely this logic that the threats from the

russian president that if the west decides to help you pray more, then it's going to face retaliation. and so this leads to self determines by the western powers. and it's a, it turns into a very strange situation when actually russia is the country who is committing the oppression. and at the same time, accusing western countries of aggression while they're only helping ukraine to fight back and just arrive stuff on a, on a practical level. what, what russia just sort of move material or troops that might be targeted further inland, further out of the range of basement solves it might not hurt russia that much in the end on i think the just sick of difficulties involved in that. oh, of course, i mean that's not necessarily something that can be done all that easily overnight

. plus, in addition, i mean, nobody knows exactly how long the stockpile off a tech ends when somebody is in print. so is that really something that personal needs to be deeply concerned about is the, is only maybe a total of thousands of dollars on missiles from out. marshall could very well sit out and he's twice using also, it's our client, all right? as technician to be in touch, the not a problem since about self defense against these on a possible attacks on. on the other hand, i also think the patient not forgot that on rush, of course, it's not going to just take dismissal or any responses. i don't believe that there's any danger at the moment or anything my computer escalation, that's a portent as to why the barriers on points and russia will need to be quite careful in terms of how many positions itself off in relation to this new

situation as, as the federal law smart on the invite officer, take it to the next president, 1500 states in january 2025, and there will be a permanent commission to 4 has called out to bring this andre, what we understand that was debate within the bottom ministration over whether out to allow these weapons to be used in russian territory and the what those who said that it could cross a russian red line provoke a why the conflict is not a concert and you shop yes, it's a concern because the problem is also that russia cannot leave such steps without answer. of course the what am i sure will depend what kinds of strikes, what kinds of targets will be on the fine. now. and also this, that will be,

the spot for russia is going to be strikes all kinds of strikes on energy and the mid 3 for such a good thing. i cannot exclude how does percent that is of the moment that can be some statements that that's uh are actually still nuclear power and the new conception of the nuclear security. and you flip, the strategy can give you a chance of to use it if it's needed, but i don't think it will happen anyway, escalation is coming solutions coming little closer to prompt a little grateful, more escalation. we might see you. yeah, andre, this as escalation is coming to do the ukrainians. hope that the u. k. and french storm shadow missiles might now be authorized for use or to target russian tire

tree and maybe even the germans. taurus cruise missiles is not a home from ukraine that they will get access to yet more but we've actually received the permission to use uh, the french and the uh, british called missiles already. and we haven't received the answer from uh, the german does god. when does counselor shows that the taurus are not forthcoming in the germany is actually opposed to a escalation, but to we can and the, the but we understand that the, the only way to actually i try to get out of this conflict is to approach negotiations from the position of strength and so we are hopeful, i mean we do want to resolve. busy this for, we do want to stop the war, but we also want to achieve just the center. we believe that any weapons that can be supplied to us to the boat allow us to diminish russian strands. and just as

a our russian panelist mentioned that strikes on ukrainian civil civilian infrastructure will continue as well. so they have been going on for, for quite a while and you're showing now pictures of the civilian ukrainians were just staying in their own homes and getting killed every single single day. and so we are told that we will get those and we will be able to stuff more russian blaine's from attacking us stuff on why. why do you think biden is doing this now as well? so, i mean, this is everybody's, i guess, you know, i mean, if i were just by to mean my sense is that what mine is trying to do it now is a basic useful, ukrainian position in a bronze off towards a big push for cease fire for disagreement might be,

and as i said earlier, i mean this is likely going to freeze the front lines at the time, but i'm trying to make says a big push on. and so any game that you're creating cannot make any laws that it can not off and kind of avoid onto take. now is i think going to be very important in, in the long want to start thinking in that sense. this is very much sort of, um, the last roll on our biden's appalled and he made at least be able to scale your claim on the by humiliating defeat the negotiation table. this trump important . so i think in, in that sense, again, it's too little too late. to end the war, but it may just be in time to actually are even in the field or even thank you. oh and the but in your quite straight. oh, andre. how did you assess

a biden's timing? is it too short to try and sure. ukraine ahead of box inevitable negotiations next year. that must go. i would be invited to take part in by trump. uh uh, 1st of all, i don't believe in english faces because all the points of drops bladder, which i know they are absolutely unsuitable to moscow. and uh, what is uh, important for you pay now is to keep the front line because if you find that there will be some compact, multiple fisher, but at least some concepts are set to agreements. uh, its will be very important where the referral live is and from this point of view, appearance of the human files, both from us or from us and you get can help you create an army for people on

our andre. we understand, you know, the bottom it puts in a said in the past, the russian president that any the, any negotiations or talks about you crime would have to reflect the sort of realities on the ground. a suggestion that ukraine would have to seed tire a tree, but that's what trump may offer we understand, isn't it? isn't that acceptable to, to most goes into it as a starting point? no, but no elements and problems there. uh huh. which likes it up to, must go as a gaze freeze on the right to this decline. moscow is demanding a international recognition off for a fair answer. so we're trying clear this interaction constitution law school is demanding a never, never a membership in uh, natal must go, use them on the dentistry if a patient is past the change of the political system of the plan that's separate. so uh, lots of cost. the collection of factions and all of these, uh, uh,

for microphones, if you'll makes any talks at this stage, just simply post. it's usually do you think uh, the current in president is preparing his country for the inevitable that they will have to be told. so they called when, militarily, he said on saturday that ukraine is allowed to use it on saturday, but you kind of still want to come to ensure the whole with brush ends next ga through diplomacy concedes the battlefield situation in east them. ukraine is difficult, is as rush as making advances. so ukraine is going to have to give way on terra 3 perhaps. and then he talks as well. this is not something that the president communicates domestically and actually this position to see the territory to the russian federation. as most supported by a majority of ukrainians. and also we understand that the production war aims and

ukraine are not limited to making some territorial gains. we understand that there were ames are lots bigger than that. from the very beginning when they talked about dns certification. when they talk about the militarization right? and they never change that position on what it means is that they want to change ukrainian government. they want to make the they actually don't recognize the existence of the brand new a nation. and we see what they were doing in the occupied territories, eliminating every thing ukrainian. and so when people talk about innovative. busy concessions, they the, the, they need to take into account all of these things that have happened and that are happening. and all the statements of the russian federation makes. and also the experience that we've had previously negotiating with the russians once we put never actually established the ceasefire because they always maintained both the ability and the intent to continue the war while talking about negotiations. and so

this position, if the president savanski voice has a domestically that we're going to make concessions, it's not going to find support along your premiums, no matter how hard it is to continue fighting and to continue standing up to this aggression. well, just quickly on that point, i mean we've had a recent poll from, keeps international is due to sociology, says 32 percent of respondents a do. a recent poll said they're ready to give up some territory for an end to the wall and the preservation of independence. that's up 14 percent from the really low cost of the majority. not prepared to give up territory, but it's, it's changing opinion is changing his name. it is changing its true. but i think the part of the reason is that we were kind of thrust into this full say, call to me that it's the territories for peace. and it's based on the assumption that if we give territories to russia, then it's going to bring peace. but this is not true, it's not going to happen because russia is not about taking part of the brand new

territories. russia is about destroying and ukrainian stable. all right. stuff on. do you think cause a lensky again, with a new permission is given to him by boston is readying himself to try and take technical to take the take technical positions that had to be inevitable towards the trump will make him have with russia. and i think that is very much the case. um we also shouldn't forget that. um these concessions do not necessarily need to be a problem. i mean some of the scenarios that people are talking about, like the korean scenario off this include restaurants in there. they do not necessarily trade territory permanency for a lot of these files. so if you look at the german expense phone call, i mean they had to german sides of the 40 years and uh, in the soviet union, i'm calling about the unification. most law possible in india,

in the korean a case we have had the cx 5 in clips since the 1950s um with no recognition on either side of this being a permanent state of affairs or something. and that says um concessions to not necessarily have to be permanent, the giving off targeting because i think the other part that is quite important here is uh to the in mind that uh biden's decision. now in some ways also makes it easier for to potentially to achieve his goals because it was not at all clear. so this motive or to that on russia is actually going to be able to keep on a ceasefire as long as it has to momentum on the ground and create a washing gains in particular area. and also recently around to hockey, certainly puts, put in a much,

much stronger position now is by leveling the playing field on trump, himself, or potentially have more knowledge by the to say to important that you needs to come to that have changed into instant or so on we have some time and the so quickly from you, andre, is that how moscow might see this of the playing field is being leveled in readiness for what? that's not, it may appear to himself what season inevitable return to negotiating table when trump takes power. next it, as well as 1st of pulling from the sample, propose something concrete, something reasonable from most, postpone the few. yes. that might because that's there might be a phone conversation. there might be some kind of teams. 12 of the each side, but uh, i'm not sure this will happen across the whole because uh, really uh,

the prompts plans the positions the contribution with this based on the battle ground. and all russia, as many russians are saying to freeze the freeze if the patient means a means more are all with you. all right, okay, i was just very last stance. question to you, step on a quick answer if you can. is this a we are heading to the ultimate in game here, isn't making of a form and somebody is not to like to know if it's like georgia mold over the baltic countries i'm and should they be not? i think we always have to be a novice for 2 reasons. one is that russia on the porch in bank here, he has a very strong, very aggressive imperial admissions, long term osha's, revisionist state. and on top of that, we now have an incoming president. the united states was very young,

but it doesn't necessarily mean a bad news all around off. but it means very great difficulty in terms of funding for keys and for it's your pin on all right, well we're out of time, i'm afraid, but thanks to all guess still andre fedor, all the stuff on rules. i'm usually a cash debina and thank you to for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website out is there a dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page about facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. we all have a j inside story for me, bernard smith and the whole scene here. bye. for now the, the united nations twins united conference on climate change, the same as the most developing nations needed estimates. $2.00 trillion dollars

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