of these protests to say this, i think the integrity of the treaty of why tony, for them and the children many of packing you know, might easy to does of european descent. i think it's shows that a lot of people who i am of talked to had as soon as not supportive of this bill. and to see that tracy is the founding documents, the sealants, the march began more than a 1000 kilometers away at the remote northern tip. of the country and ended on tuesday, outside the parliament in wanting to my family to do this for them, the modest to them the people but their future generations. school children groaned it permission to skip classes for the day. go the 1st time history, lesson, and histories at the house of this debate. the treaty of my tongue, he was signed by representatives of the british crown, molding 500 mile retreats,

in 1840. it guarantees indigenous peoples lands and coats the rights which critics say could be threatened if the treaty principles bill becomes. the legislation was introduced by a junior member of the governing coalition. david seymour, whose pop mary says it will make old use either does equal by ending affirmative action policies. and controversially reinterpreting, the founding treaty, his opponents say he's polarizing the country. they've done like that that's been harmful, but it really said as painful to exceed. i'm so you also see a tech like this, but today's lives on lots of sports and knows that when a line viewing good is not confined to the streets problem was disrupted last week with the countries youngest m, p, the hucker of tradition amari rodents come inside to say it's unlikely this bill

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there's no limit to how far dream continue to study in your own adventure now counter and we a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. is there any sign in for lee, for the millions of palestinians in gaza, who are now stuck between an outgoing biden administration and an incoming trump administration? let's get to the bottom line. the another major us deadline for israel came and went last week with 0 consequences. just before the elections, the by the administration had set a 30 day deadline for israel, the quote search food and emergency aid in the gaza. or else the united states

would cut military assistance while the search didn't happen. but once again, us official said they hadn't found that issue. it was breaking the laws banning weapons sales to human rights violators. meanwhile, israel is killing dozens of people daily and gaza and 11 on with no end in sight. and the cease fire talks well, they're basically dead. rubbing salt into the wounds was present elect donald trump, whose nomination for the next us ambassador to israel doesn't even acknowledge that palestinians exist. so from what we can see this far, what can the region expect in this lame duck session under the democrats and starting next year under the republicans. today we're talking with stacy gilbert, who was one of the highest ranking humanitarian officials at the state department when she resigned earlier this year in protest of us policy towards palestine and israel and josh paul, who also publicly resigned from the state department's bureau, political military affairs, last year and is recently launched a new organization called a new policy here in washington. thank you both for joining me today. let me just

start out. i want to play a clip for you from state department spokesman of den patel who spoke just last week after a 30 day uh, ultimatum, had been given to israel, the changes behavior list. listen. we at this time have not made an assessment that they are. and that b is really, is, are in violation of us law. but most importantly, we are going to continue to watch on how the steps that they've taken, how they are being implemented, how that they can be continued to be expanded on. and through that, we're going to continue to assess their compliance with us law. so there we have the end of a, a, an ultimatum, a threat that the united states was going to withhold and, and suspend some arms transfers to, to is real. there were 15 wide items in a letter that was delivered by assigned by sex, tracy to anthony, blinking on october 13th, very specific line items. and we got

a kind of runaround on how we are achieving. and i just wanna ask you stacey. um, what does this mean for us policy? what does this mean for america's complicity and what's happening? uh, thanks for the question um. its 1st of all, the letter was astounded to give israel an extra 30 days to abide by its obligations under international humanitarian law. essentially giving israel an extra 30 days to step star if the palestinians is, is our, you're saying something really important you that what was in the letter was already the law. the letter actually when you read it, is an astounding in mission that israel is blocking humanitarian assistance. it's in the letter, it's in the letter, it's in several. it's why the secretary of state has had to go to the region 1112 times to ask israel to allow assistance into gaza. it's in that letter.

it's in the report that i resigned over in in may. it is, we continue to a list. the multitude of ways is real, is blocking assistance, and yet we give them a pass again and again. and again, many of our viewers may not know why you resigned when you did what the issues were that drove you to make that decision. could you share that with us? yeah, so in february the white house directed the state department and duty to come up with a joint report to congress and determining for 7 countries. but the one that everyone focused on was, is rails to make a determination about 2 things. one, whether it's a country that gets our weapons, is using that those weapons in violation of international humanitarian law. also known as the law of armed conflict or the law of war. the geneva conventions. and

to whether they're blocking humanitarian assistance. because there is another law that says any country that blocks humanitarian assistance can not receive us weapons. so in the course of writing this report, i was a number of i was one of the several subject matter experts that was removed from the report by the state department at the end of at the end of april. and we were told we would see the report when it was released in may when that report came out on may 10th. and it was actually the 1st time the us admitted that israel is using us weapons to violate international humanitarian law. but then incredibly, it went on to state that israel is not blocking humanitarian assistance. i know that it's not true because i've seen the reports from our own experts and from

humanitarian aid organizations. over the course of months, that is real, is blocking humanitarian assistance. in a number of ways. but to see that written in a joint report to congress, something that is so obviously false. i wrote a letter to my, to my leadership that day said, this report will haunt us and i reside. josh, you were in the belly of the beast. you were one of the people in the front line of weapons transfers and signing off on basically the flow of weapons in the bureau, political military affairs in the department of state. and you resigned as well. yes. why did you resign and what are your thoughts and reading something with this level of specificity that our ally and partner in the middle east region seemed to have completely ignored. i resigned last october of 2023 because already at that point 1011 days into this conflict,

it was clear that to us weapons were doing credible home already 3 and a half 1000 people had been killed in gaza. and yet there was no leadership in the state department that was willing to ask the questions, should we be providing these arms? should we be going forward with this unconditional support in the was of the secretary of defense, your most popular 10 to 11 days after october, 7th, you resign? you saw that early? i. well, i just wanna get the chronology right. i mean, it wasn't early at the time, it was 11 days into a conflict that had killed at that point 3 and a half 1000. all right. people are wanting to know, of course, that a year later this conflict would still be going on. i would have transformed into the genocide that it has become, it was already bad enough and i certainly didn't go into government and i don't believe any of those who are career officials in the civil service or in the foreign service. go into a government in order to provide the weapons that kill so many people. um and so

you know that that was the point of which i left them. i left again because despite the home that was being done, there was no willingness on the positive sex. we blinking on the positive president biden on the part of all the senior leadership to even discuss that home and those policies. and i felt that there was an important policy discussion to be had, if it couldn't be had within government, then it has to be brought to the american people on to do that. so i have to resign . and so when i ask you this carefully, as you both make comments, and you certainly said it very directly that there are good people working in the state department, good people working with in america's national security bureaucracies. who do not want to see the wilful, ignoring of americans humanitarian laws and in sanders, you know, i've interviewed people about the late he law. we've done a lot of shows that have looked in great detail around that protections around human rights that, that come with the delivery of these us weapon systems because of abuses in the past. right. so this is something that we've been through before. who,

who are the villains in the story? who are the black cats in the story that are undermining the good people? your colleagues that you worked with? stacey? the policy comes from the highest level and i would put it back to the store. you're saying the president, you're saying the secretary of state? yeah. you're saying other officials at that level on the issue of whether israel is blocking humanitarian assistance. and again, it's important because if a country is blocking humanitarian assistance by us law, us law, not international law us law, we cannot provide them with weapons on that simple issue. there is absolute agreement among subject matter experts among 8 organizations on the ground that is real is blocked with stacy. let me just wrestle with you this for, for a minute. what didn't kick in?

fast forward to a couple of days ago to the clip of red patel from the podium said that according to the letter, the letter on october 13th, it demanded that israel to allow a minimum of $358.00 trucks. every one is focused on the this indicator of how many trucks crossed into gaza. so the letter said very clearly, a minimum of $358.00 trucks per day bed patel from the podium says between november 1st and november 9th, a total of $400.00 trucks got through that average is about 40 a day. clearly not what is required and this is not an operation that is just getting set up. this has been going on for more than a year. is real, has the ability to do it. and i'm, i'm not saying is real, can control everything. there is a lot of chaos in, in a conflict there always is. but there are things that is real,

can control and threw out this. israel has shown that they will turn it on and off like a spigot. i think it does as a bigger issue here as well, that goes beyond as well, which is the shrinking of american power. when you have a united states president who repeatedly says that he is pressing for more assistance to get in and the most he can produce is a trucks. when you have a united states president who repeatedly says we are on the verge of a ceasefire, we're guessing that we're 85 percent we're 95 percent and then fails to deliver that. when you have the united states president who sets a 30 day deadline, and then when that red line is cross does nothing to enforce it. that represents a global perception of printing american power and of american inability to follow through on the words of the president's and i think that it's harmful well beyond this context to on national security. josh, have you been shocked, given the fact that you worked for the bureaucracy of america's foreign policy,

that america has been so impotent in this conflict? ah, i've not been shocked because i don't think that that impotence is simply a failure to act. so i think it is a choice, i think it is a policy decision by the bottom administration. and we see the price will fast and the fact that we are now out of the electoral cycle, there is no political excuse for the president to continue to take the approach that he is taking. and yes, he continues to do so. so i think the author is this, this is the part in ministration. this was always the finding this ministration. so is it deliberateness to this? yes, i think it's hard to argue that that isn't. and this is a deliberateness you off the question a short time ago. of who are the villains here? i think there are 2 sets of feelings here. they're all the villains who are driving this policy within government and you know, certainly at the leadership level of the white house and all the state department there also. i think the villains who are making this possible through that role in

american politics through creating a sense of fear for members to speak up in public members of congress to speak up in public to say what they will say behind closed doors. that this is doing home to america, that israel is using all weapons to commit will crimes. i don't think it's that refreshing of speech, which is not being led by those in power, but which is facilitating these policies from behind closed doors. but it's also one of the feeling this aspect step on stage. i'd love to get your sense of this. is there any difference between trump and the deliberateness of joe by this policy, which combine harris was tagrid? i would say any this administration for fits any ability to criticize the following administration. when there is twisting a fax use of alternate fax, and dismissing us law and international law,

they forfeit the ability to criticize the trump administration because all the same orientation this information shortly. and you could argue also, which is worse, but you say you believe in human rights and international humanitarian law and and yet your actions consistently go against that. or trump saying he doesn't care. and he'll go ahead and do it anyway. in some ways it's easier to deal with that because at least you know what you're dealing with. this constant saying the right thing and not doing it. i'm not even talking about necessarily just abiding by international humanitarian law. i am asking us to abide by our law u. s. law. and we can't even seem to do that, john. yeah, no, i, i think that's right. i think there's some important lessons that the democrats need to learn from this election cycle. and obviously, the issue of goals are,

itself was a driving motivator for a significant number of voters, particularly as he went friends in michigan. but there are other lessons here too, for the democratic policies that go well beyond that. and let's speak to the lack of enthusiasm. you cannot be the policy over use if you have spent a year refreshing use, voices, you don't be the policy of national security. if you've spent a yeah, tearing down the international rules based order, and you won't be the policy of diversity if you will turn a blind eye to a genocide against the palestinian people. so all of those fronts, i hope that the democrats do take those lessons to hot. uh, that is a debate that is just beginning, i think. now we see donald trump coming into office and he's, you know, decided to appoint mike huckabee and evangelical to his job. as ambassador, us and bastard is real, and my can be has been quoted as saying a. and there's really no such thing as palestinians. there's arrows and persians. these people don't exist, their identity doesn't exist. is that gonna help josh?

i mean, i don't see what it would help, but i don't think for that matter. it even helps israel to have as us invested with the someone who believes that's the end times and both it's disruption. um, so i think that there is clearly a loss of home that is going to come out of this. you also have, of course, in bulk of rubio as the from the moment if it's actually a state, someone who has a cold kind of sydney and savages. um, you know, i think that, that all strains within the republican policy to take a different view. in fact, i think the, what we have on both sides of the aisle is a disconnect between the establishment and the base. and if you look at pulling over the course of the last year, you will see even an absolute majority of republican voters on the 30 do not believe that we should be providing the full on the israel for its use in gaza. do not believe, and many republicans do not believe that we should be sending all tax dollars to support as well as what machine out of time when survivors of hurricane helena i think 100 checks for 700 and $50.00. um, so i think that,

that all people across america uh, both republicans and democrats who see the home that we all doing to america standing in the world and to our own civil rights. and all right. so as of the question is whether the leadership of either policy will listen to them. stacy, is there a understanding among your former colleagues that state that what you see going on is sort of, you know, brand name genocide, do they see and understand what's happening by way? and i would ask you as a, as a, as a country expert, what's gonna happen with westbank to you listen to the ministers in the, is really a cabinet right now talking about this is the time for annex ation. i'm just interested in how this goes, whether we're seeing people being rolled out, moved away. we see mike huckabee the next day and baset are likely saying that, you know, all of these uh, how standing should be moved to other air air of states and just get out. so i'm

just what's the, i'm get and it's pretty grim. i don't get a sense from my former colleagues, but there's a lot of hope right now they're doing all they can. um, especially in humanitarian assistance to get aid in. but it is so difficult. more importantly for them, it's demoralizing. this has been so tomorrow you expect more resignations. i'm advising people to stay in and continue this work because it's difficult to work and we need people with experience to continue doing it. but it's hard and it's going to get harder. it's absolutely going to get harder and for especially for the organizations working on the ground, there it is. never been easy. it is getting more difficult. and that's actually

something that i i've wanted to raise to people that it's not this situation in particular, this ridiculous 30 day letter and the completely ludicrous determination that is real is not blocking humanitarian assistance again is a huge disservice to the humanitarian aid workers who are working in difficult and very dangerous circumstances. this is essentially saying, believing israel, when israel says it's not our fault, you know, it's, you know, they are, they are corrupt, they can't handle it. these are professional organizations that have been doing this for a very long time. they know how to operate in conflicts, but they are not allowed to. they are not allowed to by israel. they are certainly a mosse causes problems. desperate people who are starving and lute,

a convoys are also a huge problem. but there are things that israel can control, and the things that is real can control. they choose to turn the spigot on and off . and this is a huge disservice to aid workers. you've started an organization now called a new policy. you see any track where a new policy would get any traction with the many other legislators who are not of the are, you know, basically with chris and holland and bernie sanders, bernie sanders been saying america is complicit in work. right. you know, i mean, yes i do, and i'm festival. i think, you know, there's that list of, of members of sentences you've just mentioned. there are many more who behind closed doors. i will say the same things that they're just afraid to do so publicly . so the purpose, what do they need to come out? the purpose of a new policy is with seeing this incredible momentum and energy. over the course of the last year. we seen protests in the streets protests on campus, and

a shift for that matter in congress itself. where you now have over a 100 members who have called for an immediate sum permanency spa. but in general, the energy of the momentum we seen a has not resulted in policy change not resulted in a slate of candidates, for example, from either policy who are willing to really seriously talk about the policy change . and so what a new policy is ending to do is to take that energy momentum to satellites, into american politics in a way that american politics will respond to. and that means lobbying, it means to full thing with funding with fundraising. i mean, have money and donation money, political action committee, action, it means recognizing that there is more to, to mocks and you're doing all that. you've got to do it all the time. and that is what we are about. and you've launched recently, house the money. i, i'm going to be honest. i mean, i don't think it works on less money is coming in. right. so how, how are you finding the response? so it's all these days. we launched publicly a month ago, but i have to say the responses that has been a 1000 and we have had people reaching out to us and writing us checks all across

america. not just from those who were being vocal on these issues of the course. the last year uh, but you know, communities in north dakota, individuals in texas, in oregon, you name it, i think for a lot of americans, this is something that they have really taken to hearts and really identified with and off trying to find a way to make the voices odd to make that voices effective. the the challenge is that the last year has shown that simply raising your voice unfortunately, and this is a black mark on democracy, is not by itself. and not being majority of public opinion is not by itself enough . you need to take that and push it into the system in a way that the system is designed itself were sponsor. and that's what we're going to do. is there any chance of the united states can ever be a fair broker for the palestinians, given the history we've seen? what we've seen recently certainly sets back any hope of that. i don't know what

the we by our actions in the past year us actions in the past year have set it back for a very long time. as a former us state department veterans stacy gilbert and josh paul. now, advocates for a new us policy towards the middle east. thank you so much for your candor and for being with us today. so what's the bottom line you've just heard from eye witnesses on the front line of americas, say, one thing and do another approach to the palestinians trapped in the middle of a nightmare. scenario. laws passed by congress and signed by president are just not being adhered to us officials stick their head in the sand to make sure israel can carry out its plants with impunity. part of the explanation of vice president commer harris defeat lies in this blan conventional inertia. of us policy that supports as real no matter what. and if that's your policy, just say it's no need for games,

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