was against humanity and war crimes. and what the prosecute, the really laid out last may was that solving the population of a, of guys i was a very important point for him to ask for this arrest for us. but also the fact that there has been a murder attacks, of course, so of from the israeli army. but one of the things that really stood out was to the effect that the if for any authorities and the if i any me have been starving the population of god. and that's something that's a very specific, a war crime that also has already some experience at the icbc and previous cases. so i think the prosecutor holds that there will be a lot of evidence that he can use for a to prove this case. okay, steps we, we know that israel doesn't accept the jurisdiction of the i. c c doesn't recognize the jurisdiction of the i c c. so what will this mean for this case against the is

really leadership. next, you know, and uh for my defense based a lot this will mean that actually country that is part of the i t c. and from the of, of my had. these are not 40 countries, and they have the obligation to arrest nathan, you all got loans and dave, when they come across these individuals. so this will mean and, and, and practice that does, it's gonna be fairly difficult for. and they tell you all to travel underlined as well to travel abroad because the country that are members of the i to see, for example, germany, do you k a lot of european countries as well, but also countries of trust as low as the obligation to, to arrest them had and hand them over to the hate to the court are okay. step for the moment. thank you very much. if you just joining us on algae 0, breaking news this our and the international criminal court in the hague is issued

arrest warrants for the prime minister of israel, as well as the form of defense smith. so you'll have kalonde and also issued an arrest warrant for him. us a leader job. i must re, let's get him the saw who'd on the phone now. she's in amman, jordan because his rouse government has bind, i'll just hear from reporting of his route and the occupied westbank. it's very early of course hand, but i'm wondering if there's any reaction from israel to this news from the i c c. well, there's no reaction just yet from the is rarely, but throughout the last several months, when all of this was being floated, when there were the, all of the process, he's within the i c. c that recommended the arrest warrants. israel did what it does best to try to discredit the i c. c. it try to challenge is jurisdiction and it tries to say that it has the right to self defense and is really politicians

internally within the is really government were doing everything they could to fight it. they were trying to get the attorney general involved. the attorney general was doing a lot to try and come up with sort of committees to alleviate some. 5 of what was going to happen, but ultimately that was not the case. so these really is now have to deal with this . but benjamin netanyahu, as well as the united states, have said that they would do everything in their power to fight this. but the reality on the ground in gaza is why they had happen. you're looking at a war that is 410 days long, or more than 43000 palestinians have lost their lives. were a huge portion of the population is starving, or more than 2 a 1000000 people have been displaced as a result of his really aggression and benjamin netanyahu, along with his former defense minister, are the people who are responsible for that destruction for that devastation and

according to all these international courts, and now the i c, c. they say that benjamin netanyahu and you all have guidelines needs to be held responsible for that. right? and the i c. c, and need statements home to say that there's reasonable grounds to believe that next. now and uh, gallano over saw a tax on civilian populations in guys that as we were just talking about was that the timing of, of this announcement of these arrest warrens is quite significant at a time when the war of course continues. but also at a time when israel has been trying to reach a ceasefire, perhaps with uh, has been a lot in love and on its took a while for these arrest warrants to come through. there was significant pressure, of course, on the timing, what impacts do you see this having on israel has conduct uh,

in the gaza strip. right. as well as their own conduct throughout gonzo hasn't really shifted throughout the last 13 months. they said that they would do whatever they can in order to defeat the end. if that means killing civilians in the process, they say that that is an unfortunate result of collateral damage. they say that they do what they can to mitigate civilian harm, but the numbers do not lie here. we're talking about 43000 people who've been killed more than a 100000 others who been injured. and the policy that israel military has hired according to sources, according to his really soldiers who have spoken anonymously, after fighting and gaza. they say that they essentially had free reign. there were a lot of errors that were also taken on part of these really military. let's not forget all of the humanitarian aid workers who were killed because the army said it was a mr. identification. miss identifications of school and other civilians as well.

the use of health indians and gaza as human shields. so there are a lot of crimes that add up here, but ultimately, the timing of this when it comes to receive fire is not really significant when it comes to god. so on the front of his bella, you have the us envoy who is in israel today. going to meet with these really prime minister within the next couple of hours to try and figure out a solution to fighting in the north when it comes to the sation of aggression within gaza. those talks have been solved for months, and mediators have said that neither side is serious about coming to an agreement. and you also have the defacto head of how much say that no cap is would be released until there was an end to the war. so you still have israel antenna on completely different pages when it comes to any sort of ceasefire deal, but the crimes that have been committed over the last 13 months and jobs us still continues to this day. okay,

i'm to thank you very much for the moment. the thoughts on the phone there from amman. jordan, with the latest air on this breaking news story. we've been reporting on algae 0 and the international criminal court issuing and arrest warrants for israel's foreign minister. and even it's now informed a defense minister you, i've gone to crimes against humanity in the gaza strip. my room bushera is our senior political. i'm. this is joining us now on the phone. my one of these arrest warrants uh, i have been talked about now for some months. the chief prosecutor has been seeking them for some time now they've been had been under a great deal of pressure. well, what is your reaction for us to this announcement today? well, this is an extraordinary day for justice. extraordinary day for exhausting. exceptional . you know, for a long time now i've been skeptical and my skepticism has increased this time.

those of us who've been following this closely worried that uh for various reasons, including the delay in coming out with a decision with the lead the judge go basically calling sick sounded like he wasn't exactly what i think on the responsibility. or, of course, the fact that the trump was there, let's be president the the door. he said i do not even various. he could not should institutions like the court. and last but not least, the various accusations against the prosecutor. uh for the like solve uh such as, uh, allegations of some sort of a sexual misconduct and i don't know what all of these reasons may be quite skeptical. busy so there was no decision coming or more than coming that this was going to be ignored, that this again, the justice is not going to see the lights. but here we go. it is, is an incredible, extraordinary day with a class the people of god. so after a year of unfolding,

genocide might might be able to see that the tracers taught stands or face. just as you say, they had been a lot of criticism of the i c. c because it had moved quickly in cases related to ukraine. for example, issuing arrest warrants for, for russian officials, including president fulton. but it took a long time for the, those a rest once on guys to be issued. even though the investigation we, we recall began in 2019, there was significant delays and perceived double standards. what do you think led to this break? so today there is no doubt that the i, c, c, i, c, j, and other such courts, but not to be the i c, c was it was,

was conceived as a court that was formed to basically put on sort of, uh, so hold their toward leaders leaders from around the world and also to the truck. there isn't any news of the west. it was a piece overseas. definitely, even though it was an international criminal for advanced to be on the united nations court. but those in washington capitals understood that this was going to be a court. that's what put a role gastric on auto gage and the lesson american or even a bigger eastern leader or dental or what have you on file. that's what was easy for them to pursue, puts in but, but showing a name the major western allied like benjamin or couldn't, you know, i knew of color. that was an easy thing. so for the eyes you see it's, of course, there's so many words. and the fact that there were so many allegation and sound of

the case was about to that is that it was, it's so cold. this tend to get to occupation. the fact that is that was making a vacation begin again, that it was doing everything possible to protect the city and population, even though we still, we're not, we're above 100000 casualties. the person is but again, there's a, what's them skepticism about pursuing western allies? what's the leaders at the icbc? so it took a long time. and finally we have a bit of an accident. he was way by a major west than all i is now basically for all the track because matter are invited for a pattern, evidence is involved in crimes because you might know the, the crime, it turns as your correspondence. our correspondent. busy voters, the space, it is the question of what the nice thing hunger using starvation as a weapon of war. and that is not an easy thing to prove.

right, right. i mean this is not the same as the country to exist. and then she took up at the time. but again, what's important is that here we are. yeah, you have gone. and benjamin us and you know, are now basically indicted for their crimes because she acted for the crimes against the people. so here we are the same one. where, where do we go next? i mean, i, israel does not recognize the course to read jurisdiction. neither does the united states. what's the likelihood of these arrest warrants actually being implemented? all of them actually happened. you know, i mean, if i were a fortunately i'm not, but if i where the likes to go on, who, you know, they're already no longer defense. when i would show up at the, hey, i'm here to defend himself. he's, he's, he's such a believer in his cause. the cause of we see the general side of it. he sees it as

self defense and whatever that can go to the cause i hear you going to find him so and maybe he can get all the clues himself and, and he said the country and it's a diesel needs. of course, i doubt that i talked to you when i taught checking the benjamin at the now it's not gonna make it there. so it's just not so much about them. basically just just did it sooner. but is this what important? notice important good progressions i should say, such as there would be posted with by the input board. i think it's going to be difficult for the, for the all to be traveling around as he was before this decision has been taken. because now there would be one places that they said almost anywhere else in the world. the fact that e could no longer have a meeting. he's also going to get them to use the pursuant by the phone. just like the access points, it could not go for jump this out, that the something that's really important. i see thing. i think the international

court of justice now would be looking at the question of genocide this honestly, that because rarely does not accused of crimes against humanity. i think that's going to go that way. there is a lot which is also important is going to be huge in terms of local ports, domestic courts in various countries, including in north the world went by this, they were inspired a lot of the local active this, the judges and whatever to be picky and this is, and i must say last but not least, the court of public opinion, the court of public opinion is no less since my one before i bring in hand, i just wanted to ask you about us reaction and what you expect it to be. because before this, the i c, c had face stress from the us senate, warning them that sanctions would be pose if these a rest for and square issued against these really officials. um, what, what do you expect the us administration not just the outgoing one,

but the incoming one to do in reaction to these arrest warrants for the allow me a quick context. and this is really important, this would seem dispensable to understand the american position here. only a few days ago, after giving days, it is a month to prove that they are not handled, a cutting black. i think the 2 guys of the state department and the printer going to clear with that. believe it or not, that the, it said it was not blocking it and that's why it's doing what to do to allow it to go to the guy that went every single, independent joint on it. and it said not to human organization, understand that this is not true, but the united states being compressor, anthony lincoln being complicit with things ready to governments in the war and gods could not even get themselves such a good, nice, that is right and was not allowing it and it was worth,

and i think so the fighting i, the restriction is actually the click of this is definitely going to be condemning this thing. so why, why this is going to be conducting the same thing would be contacting the i. c. c is holding and they will be dismissing it as unimportant and what have you? i think it is tom. i expect that we'll be making strikes me and the republican majority in the center for the safety expressed. not only i can see, i see, see on the i c j, but against schultz and the judges of those important international oral courts. and that's going to be a major problem for the united states. it does embark on such as the more nice ation of the world courts. i think in the end of the day it's going to be american . could there be anything that's got to be undermined my want to thank you very much for the moment. that's my one bush, our senior political analyst on a phone there. let's go to guys and now hang down for jury is joining us from dab

la in central guys. and again, the is really lead it as a prime minister inform, a defense minister issued with arrest warrants for electrical crimes committed in the gaza strip. worth reminding our viewers. i think what these war crimes entails, what it's been like in the gaza strip for over the past year, including the issue of webinar using hon guys in the gaza strip. the, well definitely, everything that you just mentioned has been the reality of the goals for, for the cost here, since busted in the past couple of months were so bad you'd be, you'd be tenuous. another in parts of god. those troops have been under a very sixty's for more than 40 days. now, no food, no age and continue is selling. and as drugs have been happening, not only bought the a, the, with the food is on, uh, is, is,

it has been denied several times to enter to all of those thousands of policy and use you are still drop in that. and also the fact that they were deprived from having simple defense themes and permits in that area. but also not only that, it's not only the northern parts of the gulf report talking about a whole generation that has been deprived from education. we're talking about a whole population that lost their houses, they were displaced multiple times and they're also living in the world to human, to tell you in conditions an hour ago, a make shift come a $25.00 times where burn after that is where you for says targeted those areas. it's not the fact that they also amazed and design a human to tell you until but even this human terry and safe zone has been targeted multiple times. and the loss of time was last night, were a policy and use were killed in milwaukee. some eunice, let me also tell you that one of the warrants were all actually against one of the

palestinian a policy and how much these are mostly known as a place where in august is where the forces announced they killed a, this palestinian leader. it's not the box that's all of these warrants, but according to policy news for the 1st time, this is recognized. we're, we're being reporting about this for more than a year. now. the most killing, the port starvation, the ma, scores, displacements, and every single day pilots in use are being forced to evacuate from a place to another. dozens of, of, of displacements, orders and evacuation. orders have been published and announced in that year and policies have been carrying their items from place to another. but today, here in the southern garza street in the middle area and also in the another, an area people are striving to find food. they're striving to find a glass of drinkable, healthy water for their children, talking with parents. they're saying that they are on able to feed their children

with the bread they're unable to find milk or eggs. they're seeing their children being well nurse, all of these acts have been happening through out the year. and palestinians are feeling very exhausted in brain and they feel very helpless. the fact that they have been calling and feeling the international community for more than a year, and no one is stopping this war against the palestinians. now, the fact that there are hundreds of policy new field trips under one of the houses . and they see that here is also another thing we're talking about. hundreds of policy news dropped under the rubble without any of the defense up teams or abraham villages, or even paramedics. and even if some of those kind of thing use work truck, it's transferred to a hospital, this hospital doesn't even have any medicine, right? to treat their wound. okay. and um, i wanted to ask you about reaction that we are getting reaction uh, slowly coming in to this breaking news story is for as opposition leader?

yeah, a po say he. yeah, a pete, i should say say he condemns the decision of the i. c. c. says is rep, protect itself, a job, what he called various organizations, that a task chair and a re task citizens visa arrest warns are our rewards and says, uh, what is going to be. i mean its early days sale, i imagine, and i use hasn't filtered in. uh yeah. so what's going to be the re action in regard to these arrest warrants? well, let me tell you a little bit of the piece about in a few of garza here in the hospital and surrounding word. this is not only a hospital, but it's also a shell to run refuge for thousands of families. these kind of sinews do not have any internet, they are disconnected from the world. other looking or striving and looking for is food. water is something to feed their children medicine to treat their woods. and

some people are actually looking for any plastic material for their tense because most of the population is literally living and makes it comp straightened out. now, alice didn't use have been always looking forward for anything that change this at more for any positive change for any thing that were stop this, these killing acts against the policy and you know, what ever happens and every this would change as long as it doesn't change anything on the ground policy news won't take this into consideration. all of that, what policy needs are waiting for is change and to stop this war on the gospel as soon as possible. and thank you very much for bringing us initial reaction there from guys i to news of the international criminal court issuing arrest warrants for israel's prime minister and its former defense minister as well as a mouse leader on a day flood. speak to. you'll see bailey now who's a, for me,

is really just this minister and initiate of the also piece of a process in the early 9 tonight is joining us from tennessee. what is your reaction to this news of the i c. c issuing arrest warrants for prime minister netanyahu and former defense minister galandes. and how is it received in israel? what i like a life shall. i'm may thoughts on being happy to the it's, it's is as though he said day for, for me to say, and my pregnant farmland is the, is indicted by die c. c. i gave him up the thing that we were to get to the same point in history, especially because the gates of hell will opened a by hum us on the 7th of october, we did raise the rule in mexico. on either of these varies and to believe that eventually we, we find that was says a indicted by

a by dicey. see you want on the other side that he did, it did doesn't i mean i don't understand how kind of that the in the you indict that best but disclose the decision perhaps also because the israel has eliminated most of hamas as leadership. so there was maybe no one else to indict on that side . yeah, yeah. did they have somebody does the it but it is really a maintenance. well, that can tell you is that i am use of to, to me still show up and they, he said, a gun and should they should go to the hague. and they, you know, what? i'm not sure that these walk. i would, i would suggest a gallant, deformed defense. we just don't use right to concede though this option is not the same for y and may be the quality is the. busy a b is imbalanced and, and, and what as though, but this isn't the fault you need to present the case of,

of is right from the 7th of buffalo to build that babies to bill hostages. old people over 80 gray is the raising the decision of, of how much the be heading people to die. but how does that mean? it's not like damage, and i believe that is a lot. i'm sorry to interrupt you because the be heading and all that time and time again. we've talked about it and there has been no proof of that. you just keep the, i'm sorry, it is boring but but the, the following at all. no, it's not boring. it's factually wrong. we haven't seen proof of, of babies being beheaded and so on. that has come. julie from is read. you need to see them. okay. but you can show, okay, let me ask you, mr. bailey and how ben this is really if he decides to go, mr. galani, how does israel defend itself for killing over 40000

civilians, women and children, the majority of them in the gaza strip over the past 40 years. we have seen those pictures and not the dead babies, but we have seen the pictures of civilians being killed. civilians being starved in the gaza strip. how does israel justify that? i was, i am not his lawyer and i believe that is right. his strong case. i know that it is not easy and the fact that the people will keep an em all of them, not only from us a oreos but also civilians is something which breaks my heart. but then they, they total the toppled re easy way. is the villain of this. the story, like the police doing is well the, they a victims a, it's not, it is not that big exact day story. i believe that is when has much to say and this

color has much to say, i am not saying that is why i did not make a mistakes and whatever. but i think that because of the few doesn't, civilians may be a middle the notes. i'm lucky as well. you don't, i'll, you'll beat me please. about the case. exactly. i've seen that he has a very serious case a to, to, to present. she may be a week that may, maybe not. it's not the same, but for him. but i've seen that that the challenge of gallant going to didn't. hague is not a is not a joke is not adult. you should take it very seriously. how is this going to resonate in israel? is really public opinion. this news that their lead is today facing a rest. i mean, it is very simply, i mean,

did they ever just rarely receive that spout of the whole the whole world is against us a and, and here a game it is, it is just proving that the world doesn't want to to listen plus, i don't think that wouldn't be any a serious a a is the reaction which would say, oh if, if the fragment is the end the defense made as though it indicted a maybe a they should be indicted? i don't think so. and what will this mean for the war in gaza and israel is planned for the guys of straight. what is israel sign for the gaza strip today? they think you're asking be a very difficult question. a really okay, well thank you so much for speaking to us. mr. bailey and you'll see bailey, for me, is really dressed as minister joining us from tennessee. we appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. let's speak to. kimberly,

how could i white house correspondent joining us on the phone from washington d. c. kimberly any reaction to this news at the i c. c has issued arrest warrants for israel is the prime minister is for the defense minister, and tomas is a leader. we're reaching out to the blank uh the 5 and administration. the national security council, no doubt will have very strong condemnation of it based on the fact that this is something that opposed 5 months ago. we know that anthony, blinking in particular back in may, said that the by the ministration rejected the equivalence between how mos in israel, in this case, that the court had no jurisdiction. and that the prosecutor is specifically when targeting these leaders in israel. really rushed these warrants and you really that the proper place for any case like this was to allow the is really legal system the

opportunity to proceed. so this is similar to the arguments that we've heard from the israeli government. this is basically what we also hear in the us congress. in fact, as recently as just a few days ago, the incoming, the majority leader john soon who will be replacing the senate majority leader in the top. the upper chamber of the us congress has threatened sanctions against the international criminal court. or i see, see, he says that if the i, c, c does not reverse what he calls out rages and unlawful actions and issuing these warrants that the senate one. there is a new congress that is in january will immediately passed sanctions to stand with what he calls the top ally of the united states israel. so,

and we've seen time and time again that the united states, whether it's from the white house standpoint, or whether it's from the, the us congress is fully prepared to, to back the is really government's position against any effort by the i c. c, to go after the is really government with respect to these warrants? yeah, they had been threats even from the us congress to impose sanctions on the i see. see if they were to issue are these arrest warrants? kimberly what's uh for the reaction can we expect in to what extent does is soso implicate the united states as a backer and as a supporter of of weapons to israel as well. there is no question that the global and international community increasingly sees the united states as being complicit. given the fact that the united states is the main provider of

weapons in israel's war and gaza. and we saw an effort just in the us congress. and the last 24 hours led by senator bernie sanders to try and block the sale of certain weapons to israel. but there was a bi partisan, meaning both democrats and republicans locked that efforts to limit certain weapons sales to israel. that specifically a 120 millimeter tank rounds, there was a 2nd resolution that was locked with the effort to bad help. the sale of high explosive motor rounds and the feeling is that the united states is violating international law. because is realism violation of international law. and so therefore, it's illegal for the us to provide these weapons. but the united states and its members of congress don't see it that way. and so they will continue to block any

effort by loan members of congress. like bernie sanders to try and help these weapons sales. but the bottom line and all of this to get back to your original question, where can we expect to see some reaction? it's likely we will see reaction today because of this with support of israel in the united states is going to come from capital health and it will be coming from not only the buying and ministration, but also from president elect trump. you have to remember that he's the one that moves the us embassy from television to jerusalem. he is also a very strong backer of israel. and in many cases that's one of the reasons that he was also elected for a 2nd term in a historic victory. it's kimberly, thank you for the moment. kimberly how get with the the initial reaction there from a washington dc to this breaking news story we're covering on audra 0. let's remind you of at the international criminal cortez issued a rest war is for israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu,

and the former defense minister you after launch for committing war crimes in the gaza strip, is also issued warrants for how mosley, the mama dave smith now and others really does have previously condemned the i c. c . chief prosecutor, kareem cons requests for these arrest warrants, calling them disgraceful, and untie semitic us present. joe biden has forcefully denounced f as by the prosecutor to seek these arrests, borne san express support for israel ls right to defend itself from us, had also to denounce the request. let's bring into that boss and in amsterdam in the netherlands where the i c. c. it is based of course, just remind of us step of what the i c c has said today in issuing these arrest warrants to yes, exactly 6 months and one day off the prosecute to request that these arrest warrants and made the 20th. now the free trial chamber of the icy has issue to

these arrest warrants 3 or rest of orleans one against the how much lead a known as dave and 2 of us against the israeli lead us nathan, y'all and guidelines. and they all are now being accused of crimes against you, a crimes against humanity and more crimes. and the process the prosecute has outlined an inmate what exactly these crimes are and against the is right. a lead us. what really stood out was the fact that they have been accused of starving the population of gaza. and this is a very clear war cry. and i think the prosecute believes that he has a lot of evidence to prove this war crime, but also out of crimes. of course, a mass killings attacks an auto crime. so it has been happening from october 8th until may the 20th, when he has requested these arrest warrants against the hamas leader. and the main

thing that stands out is the fact that the hostages have been taken, and that they are still in a step different see right now, it's also interesting to note that the pre trial chamber notes that these were actually arrest warrants of asked for in secrets, but they have decided to make them public anyway. i know are 2 reasons for that. one is that these crimes and the atrocities are still ongoing. and also they think that everyone who is involved and who was also a victim of these crimes should be aware of these arrests war with the step before i ask you about the next steps here. just on the timing of this announcement today, it's been several months since the chief prosecutor kareem khan had said he would seek these arrest warrants. why have they the come now? yes, that's a very good question. and a lot of people are been speaking to uh,

it relates to sort of course, we're actually fairly much doubtful that these arrests words would ever come. because a lot has happened in the 6 months. it was a lot of unusual, a legal case is happening with a countries basically protesting against these arrest warrants, which never really happened before that took up a few months then the presiding judge of the pre trial chamber fell ill and went on medical leave. so i'm only a few weeks ago, so the whole uh, free trial chamber had to change again and a half now and a new for siding judge. and then things really has been speeding up. so of only a few weeks later. we now know that these arrests were runs, has been issued. so what's the next step here because it is right of course, does not recognize the jurisdiction of the i, c. c. neither does the, the, the united states. what is the likelihood of these the rest for?

and so i actually being implemented of nets now or golan to be actually arrested as well. there are a 125 members of the ice, se more than i mentioned previously when i was talking to you. 125 members of the i to see has the obligation to arrest all of these individuals when they come to detain them in their country. or wherever they are going to be. so it will be much more difficult for a, for example. and they tell you how to travel abroad. because we have, we have talking about countries like of like germany, then that lives new k from a lot of countries in europe and also countries in asia, in africa. so there are a lot of countries that have no the obligation to arrest him to detain him. and hand him over to the i to see in the heck. okay, stuff. thank you very much for that set boss and live it in amsterdam. let's get to a legal perspective on all of this and speak to need gordon, who was

a professor of international law at queen mary university of london. and he's joining us from london. thank you very much. i professor gordon for being with us. i. i think you need to break this down for, for our audience. i international audience about what the i c c is accusing are these, these really need is all of especially the decision i understand is not based on the, on, on volt crimes committed in guys a, but rather on crimes against humanity. am i correct? yes. the difference between the board of crimes and crimes against humanity is that crimes against humanity or systematic or crime can be just an event. and what the prosecutor has accused and that time, you know, when guidelines are 2 major issues, one is this using food. and if they take the clot denial of humanitarian aid as a weapon to advance our vision and reach israel's,

the military objective. so to start patient is one of the crimes, the, the, the guidelines and y'all been accused of. and the other one is the systematic attacks against hospital and, and, and providing medical care to the power steering population in, in the gaza strip. both lead to extermination in will. ok, late shift. how difficult will it be to prove these cases in court, especially the the, the, the charge of weapon icing hunger in the gaza strip. and i think there is ample evidence that this the use of, of food as a weapon is not new in the israeli palestinian conflict. israel has been using wet food as weapon in the gaza strip for close to 20 years of police

. i think there is ample evidence regarding how it has been used as a weapon. and i think also the intention of using it as a, as a way for it is clear from statement survey defy it is really lead. i'm from the practices of the is ready to leave me a list there. so i think it will be very or readily, it will be easy to prove that this is indeed a policy and strategy of these really government military. and i think that regarding the tax on health care, this is the mother nature of the tax. the fact that practically all the 36 hospitals in the gaza strip have been targeted to many of them and destroyed others of since damaged. and the piece is on the way, and again, not. so it's a new israel strategies. of course, there is,

it is easy to demonstrate. so i think there is definitely a case here. the issuing of these arrest warrants professor, highly symbolic, a force because it's a 1st time that's us and he's really to a country considered to be part of the. the west is, is issued with an arrest warrant. but in practice, i mean, what is it going to change an arrest warrant was also issued for president fulton, in russia for the war and ukraine. nothing has change and the war continues. what's the likelihood of this having any effect on the conflict in the process or so? i think there is a likelihood. so 1st, as you previously know, the signatories up to rome statute as members of b i. c. c are bound to arrest guidelines and they've done yeah. with the travel to their. ready speed limit dramatically the move back to these people for 3 years

comp. but i think that. ready by issuing the arrest for and b i c. c has also made a circle demand on western countries. but you know, it both in north america and throughout europe. and that has to do with the kind of trade agreements that they have with israel. first and foremost, are trained relating to arms. if the leaders of these rails are check charge with carrying out crimes against humanity, by the i c. c. it to means that the weapons, if your opinion of countries are something to israel, are use to carry out prizes. it gets to fantasy, and they have to reassess all their trade or weapons with the israel. i brought today and, and,

and i would say stop sending these weapons. so adrian vacation is also then for the countries that back is ran like the united states. these countries that provide weapons to his route live germany, the us and so and the u. k. where i now live, so the u. k. now has to, i think, really reassess it straight agreements. not only with the weapons but also with other companies that assist israel's violation of international law in the west bank. as, as yes, professor, let me ask you about the arrest warrant. uh, that was also issued for how my lead them, how many days israel claims that they've killed and they've reported him killed no confirmation of this from us. and we still have the i, c, c issuing the arrest for and for him. what, what does that say? i mean, obviously is run has eliminated much of from us, of leadership. so the i see also, i guess,

had to issue an arrest warrant for the other side. right? so initially uh, the prosecutor initiate, initiate a 3 year arrest warrants against homeless leader and me, us and war and uh, deaf and sing. while i'm killed israel plains, it has also killed death. and because there is someone searching, the file is death. i think the icpc decided to issue the rest, the parts. what it means, i think in terms of subsets, is that the pre trial chamber, i thought that the case is made both again, spaces, really the doors and the come us leaders were strong and, and therefore issued the arrest, the relevant arrest ones. okay, so what happens next and in terms of, of legal proceedings and steps,

where do we go from here now that these arrest warrants having issues? so 1st it's not clear that these are the last, the last part of the issue. i think that the prosecutor and to me that the other people were also involved in creating an image and perpetrating deprives that gets to fantasy. and i will not be surprised. but if the company, my other is really leaders like the chief of staff at the core as far as minister and the current defense minister will also be issued arrest or it's i think that the travel of these is really late. there's will be little bit that dramatically. i think that israel's place in please give me a professional level right now. uh, uh, west with me there is a need to re think the kinds of relationships they want. if they, as you know. and i think that ultimately if they were our risk and then they will

spend many years. so i, um, it seems to be, um we, we have to look at the kind of trade relations and trade agreements, western europe and north america have with israel and whether that will affect it too. so i think that this is a monumental moment. i think the pre trial trained for have to issue the rest, aren't this fight of immense pressure not to because if they hadn't, it would have been a death flow to the publish for, for international mika or professor. thank you so much for your insights. we really appreciate your shutting lights on this far as need for them. is a professor of international law at queen mary university of london. that's go to come to us on hold. now in amman, jordan honda. when we last spoke about

a half an hour ago, they hadn't been any reaction from these readings, but in the last few minutes, there's been quite a lot of it. what are they saying? these relays to this news of the i see showing the response from this, michelle but we want to note that the 1st reactions actually came from members of the opposition. these are nets and yahoos, political rivals like you, your la p men again sent out the door lieberman, who all slammed the decision by the icpc to issue the arrest warrant, saying that israel has the right to defend themselves, calling them shameful. but the coalition that reacted to the news had a different approach, almost every single minister within espanol, whose government, who has commented like the transportation minister, the housing minister, one of the ministers invest in y'all's office and the national security minister, each of our ben beer have said quotes that the i c, c is an anti semitic body and that they have a lot of hypocrisy here,

but it just goes to show you the type of targeting that is real and it's politicians have on international institutions whenever there is some sort of decision that is against israel, and it's conduct each of our bend. we're a known alter nationalist even going so far as to say that the answer to these arrest warrants is actually applying is really sovereignty to the entirety of the occupied west bank, saying that there needs to be legal settlements everywhere throughout the country and sanctioning and cutting top is with what he calls, quote, a terrorist political body referring to the palestinian authority. so the reaction here is not really surprising, considering that this was the sort of rhetoric that we have heard throughout the last several months when this decision had was floated originally a by the i c. c, chief prosecutor, but no word yet from these really prime minister, no word yet from former defense minister jo of guidelines who have previously

called out the i c. c, saying that israel is fighting a just cause and moral war, saying that they are doing everything in their power to defend their country and their citizens after the mazda attacks. but they didn't take into account at all. some of the rhetoric that they themselves had used while they were waging this war . remember that a couple of days after october 7th, what you'll have guidelines had sent saying that his role was issuing a complete seats. no food, no water, no electricity, that they were going to be fighting what they call this human animal. so all of this rhetoric was also taken into account. and now this is playing on the ground in real time, more than 13 months later and go. so i'm to thank you very much, i'm decided who lived there in amman. jordan, let's speak to our senior political analyst. once again, my one bushera was alive here from adult. ha, my one. i don't know if you were able to hear the professor when we were just talking to uh, a moment ago, a professor of law who describe this as a monumental moment. and i think you agree with that they, they were

a lot of questions about whether the i c c was capable of doing this, of issuing these arrest forms and they have, are you surprised that they have a look? i've been skeptical. actually i did page to be skeptical. so i had been quite skeptical, especially that there had been number of signs that were basically saying that the i c. c was not going to take this decision, but the judges probably would be hesitant, need judge calling in sick intensive disability delays for weeks and months. and then there were these accusations of, of sexual misconduct against the prosecutor. and of course, there was the murder compression behind the scene. incredible pressure, i guess the judges against the court against the court. it said, so there's been all sorts of uh, signs that ended up would of course, uh trump being uh, elected president, do we know how to start the trump and his password ministrations against the you on

and, and various you on international organizations. and especially the you on courts, so on, oh, no, i was quite skeptical. and perhaps that adds to the, to the, to the, to the, to the extraordinary moment that we are living now. and, and that's why, although i, i already listening to a lot of people being skeptical about the decision. it says, i tell you, this is no time for skepticism. now that this decision has come out, not because this is going to resolve the questions on the, the sort and he started out by this time, not because it's going to end the war tomorrow. that's not what these sorts of decisions do. what they do is they pay justice, they pay important um the justice and then and choose that. this is what you really need. no more than so honesty as to what went down because the worst of oh, situation is not funny that people die. i'm an odd if i killed in data,

tens of thousands. the fact that on top of that there is the, is really sort best, morales m, or can start just more of that. say you die because you deserve to die because you are a credit on you die because you won't get through the government instead of really putting the finger on who is responsible for this. so now at least we don't have the insults to the injury. at least now we know that global court with the, with judges from various backgrounds from around the world, especially from western countries. i've made a decision that there is apparently some evidence to allow for the indictments of the is. busy officials for crimes against humanity for what, for nice thing, hunger for using starvation as a weapon of war against the palestinians. my one, the reaction from these readies has been fast and furious,

were just hearing now fall from each mob and give a full size uh the international criminal court in the hague proves once again that it is on dice and medic. and something that we've heard time and time again from these release when they're accused of crimes and so on. and, and something very interesting that he says he and i want to get your reaction on that. he says the response to the arrest warrant is to impose sovereignty, all over areas of the westbank and strength and settlements. what is the israel going to do now? so pick up on your description, stop for the fast and furious. it's also pass furious and foolish. and that's what you expect from the doctors, the murders who have been getting general sidewalk responsible for genocide in the guys i, for war crimes in palestine and 11 on, you know, i must say this might be,

you know, taking a surprise. but i am happy that they called the court and to submit because this just goes a long way to undermine each and every other accusations they made. it gives the detractors around the world that gives you more direct organizations, i guess, all normal and the likes. i guess i need to, i need each and every other a global or civil society organizations got in fact, a accused and of general. sorry that use them for crimes for each and every independent journalist who made acquisition. they were all of course named. and this, and i think i choose to being on the system, i think so the fact that these rate is continue to follow, but use that there to be use that there are misuse that them and to send that to i think this goes a long way to show 1st of all that they are desperate 2nd toward the corner and fear that they go back to more of the same, you know, cliche um wrong and a deceptive acquisition. and with this in, i guess,

support that is anything i just submitted took its time to my mind. this probably try to weaken its way out of the thing, but clearly, because nothing, you know, and his government continue with the off amazon got continue with the world crimes and guys continue to insist on occupying guys or, and getting some, a lot of more crimes in the west bank that i think the judges of the international court are filled up, filled up with the government, but also they are failing their drawers when avenues or is there any crimes in, in, in guys i and the rest of but i said so back to your question, look and you know, these right is not going to lose it. there is no doubt that they are going to say that's an x, the entire, you know, uh, holding down to find a sign and so on, so forth. but this again, as i said, it's short sighted information. the way to address it is to address our buddies,

particularly like yours, ition, i guess a very particular leader like nothing the all new. i'm glad we all know that nothing else to do this week is facing. i know that investment locally domestically in is because he bought space major charges of corruptions. i'm about out of like my chargers and is where it says so in short for me, this is, i would say the beginning of the end of nothing. you know, this is the beginning of the end of nothing else but difficult carrier. as we knew, it is always proving to be a major political sort of viable a political animal. these, the longer service serving prime minister is right, but i think today might prove to be the best, but that those are the same. i want that at home, that this will only strengthen his position within israel. well, you know, it's probably good sleeping is position within his government within his

coordination. but i doubt that these ratings who have been more or less watching and seeing what is going on, even though news has been quite limited on television and is right. but i think they understand that something kind of gives no, you know, the, although he's been getting popular at the, especially after he launched another more on that. but on the settings settings, instead of stopping to what i guess the palestinian, that there's the crowd, the has risen a bit in the polls. but we all know that he lost all credibility in the eyes of these rays for a number of reasons, including him being a political criminal sort for not allowing for peace to ride and not allow them for the for them. i think for us is that cold. he's also accused of being corrupt for various financial and other reasons. and these, of course, i shouldn't be an excuse for being responsible for the, for the, for the lat. king did the need to, to hold at the leadership on october 7th for allowance that that will happen. so

for all practical purpose, i think nothing else could there be anything his right is really quite low. he did try to use the war in order to appear as if he was a war hero. a wartime leader, he almost succeeded, especially with the attacks of 11 on with, with the success of the 1st 2 weeks to look. dozens of his ranges are dying. now and nothing on it goes on elsewhere and i think if we don't understand that the war needs to wind down, he can no longer use the one more and about. busy his own yeah. what about the credit ability of those countries who have supported israel? the united states who provided weapons trace route, gemini, the u. k. what are the implications of this arrest warrants for these countries? i'm out of state lost for words a year after general started as arrivals described by that and restrictions and it's attitudes towards a israel's war,

crimes against the people in palestine. because as we, as, as we spoke earlier until a month ago, the american administrative, the american nutrition, ultimately the pentagon and the state department for asking you, these are the government to come up with approved for, to improve the record on the question of hon. got on the question of blocking k to defend us to be frank medicine themselves. so after a month, the american officials said that they were satisfied. believe it or not, they actually said that they were satisfied with the situation even though people are starving. and guys, even though the admissions organizations and agencies have told us that people are starving guys next and not in gaza, or they are extremely destitute over there, to the american ministration, the by didn't ministration has been listed in the genocide and guys end up on the have the on these right and he's not pulling the have a.